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Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:17 PM

Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax c

Source: Business Insider

Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax credit — otherwise he'll tank it

The child tax credit will have to look dramatically different for Sen. Joe Manchin to support an extension.

The West Virginia senator drove a stake through Democrats' spending hopes on Sunday, announcing on Fox News he won't vote for the Build Back Better plan as it currently stands. Part of the proposal included an extension of the child tax credit, which has doled out monthly payments as large as $300 to roughly 36 million households since it began in July.

The last checks for the program went out on December 15, and it was up for renewal in President Biden's BBB plan. Manchin publicly criticized BBB's price tag for months, arguing it posed too great a risk with inflation already running at historic highs. Yet a Monday interview with West Virginia's MetroNews revealed more reasons for Manchin's opposition and, specifically, why he wouldn't back a re-up of the child tax credit.

The centrist senator began by repeating his call for a work requirement, arguing such a test is necessary for the payments to be "accountable." Other Senate Democrats had rebuked the work requirement in recent months, with many arguing that raising a child is work in itself. The Monday interview signals that, unless such a stipulation is added, Manchin will allow the credit to expire in late December.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-child-tax-credit-bbb-work-requirements-salary-limits-2021-12

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Reply Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax c (Original post)
Polybius Dec 2021 OP
pandr32 Dec 2021 #1
2naSalit Dec 2021 #16
qazplm135 Dec 2021 #29
DURHAM D Dec 2021 #2
ColinC Dec 2021 #6
packman Dec 2021 #3
ColinC Dec 2021 #4
Polybius Dec 2021 #5
ColinC Dec 2021 #8
Efilroft Sul Dec 2021 #9
2naSalit Dec 2021 #17
Efilroft Sul Dec 2021 #27
Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #35
SKKY Dec 2021 #7
onecaliberal Dec 2021 #13
SKKY Dec 2021 #14
wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #15
2naSalit Dec 2021 #18
Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #21
2naSalit Dec 2021 #23
Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #25
2naSalit Dec 2021 #28
Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #31
qazplm135 Dec 2021 #30
onecaliberal Dec 2021 #39
Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #42
mahina Dec 2021 #40
Lonestarblue Dec 2021 #10
Polybius Dec 2021 #12
Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #33
onecaliberal Dec 2021 #11
2naSalit Dec 2021 #19
totodeinhere Dec 2021 #20
Hoyt Dec 2021 #22
SYFROYH Dec 2021 #24
Jose Garcia Dec 2021 #26
Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #34
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #32
BlueIdaho Dec 2021 #36
LudwigPastorius Dec 2021 #37
George II Dec 2021 #43
Lithos Dec 2021 #38
DFW Dec 2021 #41

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:18 PM

1. Lots of people not working and struggling

What about their children?

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:49 PM

16. Those are the takers in his tiny mind.

They don't deserve anything. He needs a regular supply of destitute folks to work in the mines after all.

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:54 PM

29. Eff em

Apparently. Should have picked working parents.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:20 PM

2. First he goes on FOX and ends the discussion and

now he wants to discuss it?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:24 PM

6. He doesn't want to discuss it.

He wants to discuss him.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:22 PM

3. If it walks like a Repuke, squaks like a Repuke

Then, by God, it must be a Repuke

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:23 PM

4. Cool. put it in the bill, vote on it and then call him out vociferously if he is lying

About supporting it.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:24 PM

5. I think he's talking about making it a separate bill

BBB appears to be dead.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:27 PM

8. Oh yeah cause that's totally reasonable

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Response to Polybius (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:29 PM

9. He doesn't want to go on record with the BBB vote, so a separate bill here is his goalpost move.

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Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:50 PM

17. Now that he's been called out on his BS...

He's looking for an escape hatch by trying to force yet more delay and cuts.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:32 PM

27. Sure seems that way. +1

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Response to Polybius (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:17 PM

35. So he wants to use up a reconciliation bill

for that single item?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:26 PM

7. 200K seems like a reasonable number to me...

...But that's just me.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:34 PM

13. Single moms who can't afford childcare and can't work. What about them?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:36 PM

14. A single mom who makes more than 200K can't afford child care?

I'm not following you.

*On edit: Never mind. I see what you were referring to.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:52 PM

18. Reread the comment.

He stated working parents, so anyone without a job and kids is SOL according to Senator Affluenza.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:12 PM

21. Why would a a single parent who isn't working need childcar?

Except maybe while they were away from home looking for work.

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Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:14 PM

23. Just answered your own question.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:30 PM

25. But most of the job search process is done online now, so it's done at home.

Thus no need for childcare most of the time.

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Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:36 PM

28. Not true in my neck of the woods.

And what about training and additional education needed to get better jobs? Or go shopping or anything other than stay home with the kids that you can't afford to feed? Can't leave the house until you get evicted... hell of a way to live.

So let me ask you, ever been down and out financially? If not, best take a better look around and ask some poor people what they think. Armchair quarterbacking for people you know little about is just not a good thing.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 04:05 PM

31. Okay, I see that I am wrong here. I thought that this was just about assistance with childcare

Now I see that it is about a child tax credit. All parents below a certain income level should get that, working or not.

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Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:55 PM

30. Or they are out interviewing

Or doing side hustles to make money til they can find one.

Your vision is quite narrow on this.

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Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:10 AM

39. How can they work without childcare?

What is so difficult to understand?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:09 AM

42. Maybe instead of a tax credit we create a childcare voucher program

But being a single parent (and it's mostly women) is difficult, even if you have a great job.

And Manchin's bulking at giving a tax credit to those who don't pay taxes. This is the problem with the anti-choice movement. They want to both force birth and withhold aid once the baby is born. You would think Republicans would be all about this.

But we've been over this before.

We need to appeal to a Republican senator to cross over, someone from a state where lots of rural white Trump voters could benefit.

The other argument not being made here is the the downstream impact of these tax credits. Parents are not going to invest in bitcoin. They are going to by goods, so local businesses will benefit, etc.

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Response to SKKY (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 01:46 AM

40. And me.

If wishes were fishes but it seems like a reasonable line if that will do it. Also who doesn’t think it was dumb for a staff we to spill his comment about extended child tax credit being used by some for drugs? Of course somebody out there did. Doesn’t mean it should fail.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:31 PM

10. Agree to it and get this bill passed.

Then work like hell to hold on to the House and elect enough Democratic Senators to make Manchin immaterial after 2022. Then pass a retroactive change to include all families.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:33 PM

12. As a separate bill, it does little for many

I wish it was part of BBB.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 07:37 PM

33. Sounds like a great strategy to me.

But would Manchin really go along with it, or find an excuse to weasel out of voting for it.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:33 PM

11. If it walks like a duck...

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:53 PM

19. Demands made by Senator Affluenza.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:00 PM

20. Unfortunately, I think that the child tax credit is toast. n/t

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:13 PM

22. Hope they work something out for families, particularly for those making a lot less than $200K.

 

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:25 PM

24. That was the line for stimulus money (or close to it)

Last edited Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:23 PM - Edit history (1)

If we have to draw a line that works for me

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:32 PM

26. Sounds like the Earned Income Tax Credit, except

that middle-class families would benefit also.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 07:39 PM

34. Which is a worthy goal to aim for.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 04:51 PM

32. You already tanked it Joe

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:38 PM

36. Joe Who?

That man is an empty suit.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

37. Manchin "demands"...


Well, isn't he the king turd of Shit Mountain?

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:57 PM

43. Hmm, you're calling DEMOCRAT Joe Manchin a "king turd"?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:06 AM

38. Paid ad wall

I hate these arbitrary limits.

What if you have more than 1 kid? Having 200k income with one kid is far different than 200k with 2 or 3 kids.

Also, what about Cost of Living? In some areas of the country, $200k is fairly well of; in other areas of the country it's just barely getting by. $200K in West Virginia is probably the equivalent of $500K in the Bay Area. Where is the equity in his plan?


This is just a number he is throwing out. If he were serious he would have actual real details and policy - not deflection.


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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 08:22 AM

41. In the battle of theory against reality in politics

Whether it's Germany, France, the USA or wherever, theory always wins out in the beginning. It means less research work for those who don't like doing it.

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