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Polybius

(15,034 posts)
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:17 PM Dec 2021

Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax c

Source: Business Insider

Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax credit — otherwise he'll tank it

The child tax credit will have to look dramatically different for Sen. Joe Manchin to support an extension.

The West Virginia senator drove a stake through Democrats' spending hopes on Sunday, announcing on Fox News he won't vote for the Build Back Better plan as it currently stands. Part of the proposal included an extension of the child tax credit, which has doled out monthly payments as large as $300 to roughly 36 million households since it began in July.

The last checks for the program went out on December 15, and it was up for renewal in President Biden's BBB plan. Manchin publicly criticized BBB's price tag for months, arguing it posed too great a risk with inflation already running at historic highs. Yet a Monday interview with West Virginia's MetroNews revealed more reasons for Manchin's opposition and, specifically, why he wouldn't back a re-up of the child tax credit.

The centrist senator began by repeating his call for a work requirement, arguing such a test is necessary for the payments to be "accountable." Other Senate Democrats had rebuked the work requirement in recent months, with many arguing that raising a child is work in itself. The Monday interview signals that, unless such a stipulation is added, Manchin will allow the credit to expire in late December.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-child-tax-credit-bbb-work-requirements-salary-limits-2021-12

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Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax c (Original Post) Polybius Dec 2021 OP
Lots of people not working and struggling pandr32 Dec 2021 #1
Those are the takers in his tiny mind. 2naSalit Dec 2021 #16
Eff em qazplm135 Dec 2021 #29
First he goes on FOX and ends the discussion and DURHAM D Dec 2021 #2
He doesn't want to discuss it. ColinC Dec 2021 #6
If it walks like a Repuke, squaks like a Repuke packman Dec 2021 #3
Cool. put it in the bill, vote on it and then call him out vociferously if he is lying ColinC Dec 2021 #4
I think he's talking about making it a separate bill Polybius Dec 2021 #5
Oh yeah cause that's totally reasonable ColinC Dec 2021 #8
He doesn't want to go on record with the BBB vote, so a separate bill here is his goalpost move. Efilroft Sul Dec 2021 #9
Now that he's been called out on his BS... 2naSalit Dec 2021 #17
Sure seems that way. +1 Efilroft Sul Dec 2021 #27
So he wants to use up a reconciliation bill Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #35
200K seems like a reasonable number to me... SKKY Dec 2021 #7
Single moms who can't afford childcare and can't work. What about them? onecaliberal Dec 2021 #13
A single mom who makes more than 200K can't afford child care? SKKY Dec 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #15
Reread the comment. 2naSalit Dec 2021 #18
Why would a a single parent who isn't working need childcar? Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #21
Just answered your own question. 2naSalit Dec 2021 #23
But most of the job search process is done online now, so it's done at home. Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #25
Not true in my neck of the woods. 2naSalit Dec 2021 #28
Okay, I see that I am wrong here. I thought that this was just about assistance with childcare Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #31
Or they are out interviewing qazplm135 Dec 2021 #30
How can they work without childcare? onecaliberal Dec 2021 #39
Maybe instead of a tax credit we create a childcare voucher program Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #42
And me. mahina Dec 2021 #40
Agree to it and get this bill passed. Lonestarblue Dec 2021 #10
As a separate bill, it does little for many Polybius Dec 2021 #12
Sounds like a great strategy to me. Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #33
If it walks like a duck... onecaliberal Dec 2021 #11
Demands made by Senator Affluenza. 2naSalit Dec 2021 #19
Unfortunately, I think that the child tax credit is toast. n/t totodeinhere Dec 2021 #20
Hope they work something out for families, particularly for those making a lot less than $200K. Hoyt Dec 2021 #22
That was the line for stimulus money (or close to it) SYFROYH Dec 2021 #24
Sounds like the Earned Income Tax Credit, except Jose Garcia Dec 2021 #26
Which is a worthy goal to aim for. Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #34
You already tanked it Joe Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #32
Joe Who? BlueIdaho Dec 2021 #36
Manchin "demands"... LudwigPastorius Dec 2021 #37
Hmm, you're calling DEMOCRAT Joe Manchin a "king turd"? George II Dec 2021 #43
Paid ad wall Lithos Dec 2021 #38
In the battle of theory against reality in politics DFW Dec 2021 #41

2naSalit

(85,120 posts)
16. Those are the takers in his tiny mind.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:49 PM
Dec 2021

They don't deserve anything. He needs a regular supply of destitute folks to work in the mines after all.

ColinC

(8,127 posts)
4. Cool. put it in the bill, vote on it and then call him out vociferously if he is lying
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:23 PM
Dec 2021

About supporting it.

2naSalit

(85,120 posts)
17. Now that he's been called out on his BS...
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:50 PM
Dec 2021

He's looking for an escape hatch by trying to force yet more delay and cuts.

SKKY

(11,718 posts)
14. A single mom who makes more than 200K can't afford child care?
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:36 PM
Dec 2021

I'm not following you.

*On edit: Never mind. I see what you were referring to.

Response to SKKY (Reply #14)

2naSalit

(85,120 posts)
18. Reread the comment.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:52 PM
Dec 2021

He stated working parents, so anyone without a job and kids is SOL according to Senator Affluenza.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,711 posts)
21. Why would a a single parent who isn't working need childcar?
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:12 PM
Dec 2021

Except maybe while they were away from home looking for work.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,711 posts)
25. But most of the job search process is done online now, so it's done at home.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:30 PM
Dec 2021

Thus no need for childcare most of the time.

2naSalit

(85,120 posts)
28. Not true in my neck of the woods.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:36 PM
Dec 2021

And what about training and additional education needed to get better jobs? Or go shopping or anything other than stay home with the kids that you can't afford to feed? Can't leave the house until you get evicted... hell of a way to live.

So let me ask you, ever been down and out financially? If not, best take a better look around and ask some poor people what they think. Armchair quarterbacking for people you know little about is just not a good thing.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,711 posts)
31. Okay, I see that I am wrong here. I thought that this was just about assistance with childcare
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:05 PM
Dec 2021

Now I see that it is about a child tax credit. All parents below a certain income level should get that, working or not.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
30. Or they are out interviewing
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:55 PM
Dec 2021

Or doing side hustles to make money til they can find one.

Your vision is quite narrow on this.

Buckeyeblue

(5,480 posts)
42. Maybe instead of a tax credit we create a childcare voucher program
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 08:09 AM
Dec 2021

But being a single parent (and it's mostly women) is difficult, even if you have a great job.

And Manchin's bulking at giving a tax credit to those who don't pay taxes. This is the problem with the anti-choice movement. They want to both force birth and withhold aid once the baby is born. You would think Republicans would be all about this.

But we've been over this before.

We need to appeal to a Republican senator to cross over, someone from a state where lots of rural white Trump voters could benefit.

The other argument not being made here is the the downstream impact of these tax credits. Parents are not going to invest in bitcoin. They are going to by goods, so local businesses will benefit, etc.

mahina

(17,417 posts)
40. And me.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:46 AM
Dec 2021

If wishes were fishes but it seems like a reasonable line if that will do it. Also who doesn’t think it was dumb for a staff we to spill his comment about extended child tax credit being used by some for drugs? Of course somebody out there did. Doesn’t mean it should fail.

Lonestarblue

(9,723 posts)
10. Agree to it and get this bill passed.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:31 PM
Dec 2021

Then work like hell to hold on to the House and elect enough Democratic Senators to make Manchin immaterial after 2022. Then pass a retroactive change to include all families.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,711 posts)
33. Sounds like a great strategy to me.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:37 PM
Dec 2021

But would Manchin really go along with it, or find an excuse to weasel out of voting for it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. Hope they work something out for families, particularly for those making a lot less than $200K.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:13 PM
Dec 2021

SYFROYH

(34,084 posts)
24. That was the line for stimulus money (or close to it)
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:25 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:23 PM - Edit history (1)

If we have to draw a line that works for me

Lithos

(26,386 posts)
38. Paid ad wall
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:06 PM
Dec 2021

I hate these arbitrary limits.

What if you have more than 1 kid? Having 200k income with one kid is far different than 200k with 2 or 3 kids.

Also, what about Cost of Living? In some areas of the country, $200k is fairly well of; in other areas of the country it's just barely getting by. $200K in West Virginia is probably the equivalent of $500K in the Bay Area. Where is the equity in his plan?


This is just a number he is throwing out. If he were serious he would have actual real details and policy - not deflection.


DFW

(53,785 posts)
41. In the battle of theory against reality in politics
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:22 AM
Dec 2021

Whether it's Germany, France, the USA or wherever, theory always wins out in the beginning. It means less research work for those who don't like doing it.

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