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Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:37 PM

Florida Republican pushes bill to force sports teams to play national anthem -- or face punishment

Source: Raw Story

A Florida Republican lawmaker wants sports teams to know that playing "The Star-Spangled Banner" before games is not optional.

As noted by WFLA's Evan Donovan, Florida State Sen. Joe Gruters has introduced legislation that would bar governmental entities from entering into agreements with professional sports teams if they don't play the United States national anthem at the start of each game.

According to Donovan, teams that don't comply "could face financial penalties or be cut out of future business" as punishment for their defiance.

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/national-anthem/



What do you want to bet that Sen. Joe doesn't know the words to it? What idiocy! I know it, two verses, and have been to the Smithsonian and Fort McHenry, both. Take you on anytime about American history, "senator."



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Reply Florida Republican pushes bill to force sports teams to play national anthem -- or face punishment (Original post)
Faygo Kid Jan 2022 OP
Orrex Jan 2022 #1
jimfields33 Jan 2022 #3
Orrex Jan 2022 #17
Ingersollman Jan 2022 #27
LoisB Jan 2022 #67
Gore1FL Jan 2022 #18
EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #42
left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #5
Gore1FL Jan 2022 #8
left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #10
Orrex Jan 2022 #19
left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #21
Orrex Jan 2022 #25
ramen Jan 2022 #71
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left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #6
Zorro Jan 2022 #9
left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #13
Zorro Jan 2022 #26
Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #7
Baked Potato Jan 2022 #22
pwb Jan 2022 #11
DBoon Jan 2022 #47
DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #53
Prof. Toru Tanaka Jan 2022 #60
GB_RN Jan 2022 #12
DuaneT Jan 2022 #43
turbinetree Jan 2022 #14
rurallib Jan 2022 #38
turbinetree Jan 2022 #62
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NurseJackie Jan 2022 #51
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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:38 PM

1. Ah, yes. It's nice when The State forces religion upon people.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:40 PM

3. I never heard the national anthem called religion

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:56 PM

17. The national anthem is not

The forced reverence of a state symbol, however, is.

I'm not going to debate this, because I know that some well-meaning drone will cite this or that court case declaring that "no sir, the state-enforced dogmatic obeisance to a symbol or song is most certainly not worship, no sir!" and I'm not interested in wasting time on that crowd here or elsewhere.

In much the same way that I will not be told to worship a cloth rectangle, I will not be told to revere a song.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:09 PM

27. THIS

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Response to Orrex (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 11:58 PM

67. Hear, hear!

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:57 PM

18. For those demanding it must be played, it is quite are religious song.

Our Country's Symbols have totally been co-opted into targets of idolatry. Some Qanon nuts think Trump is the "King of Kings." The Constitution came from Jesus. Dead people (The Kennedy's among others) are rising from their graves. The list goes on.

The GOP is a Christian Nationalist cult. The Star Spangled Banner is their favorite hymn.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:19 PM

42. Having lived overseas for decades,

 

I feel a bit of "patriotic fervor" whenever I hear The Star Spangled Banner. I want my country of birth to do what's right.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:46 PM

5. "religion" ?

It's not a religious song.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:51 PM

8. For many, it's part of their idol worship. nt

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:53 PM

10. So's the KFC logo

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:57 PM

19. Please site the statute requiring forced recitation of the KFC logo at public functions

Your analogy is ridiculous.

I will not be told what song to revere any more than I will be told which swatch of cloth to worship. This is basic first amendment stuff, back from when that sort of thing mattered.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:03 PM

21. Not going to play the 'debate game'

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:05 PM

25. Why bother? You lost already.

If you read the thread, you'll see that others have likewise correctly identified this as a fascist tradition, the forced reverence of state-approved symbols as surrogates for religion.

I accept that you can't, or that you choose not to, recognize this, but that's on you.


Perhaps you should reconsider your screen name in that case, however.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 01:55 AM

71. Message boards may not be the best fit, if so. They

are mostly people discussing ideas around an orbit of topics, often leading to debate.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:58 PM

20. Feel free to call it religious, then. nt

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:34 PM

58. That was good!


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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:40 PM

2. Fascists love enforced patriotism as much as they like enforced religion and breeding. . . nt

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:46 PM

4. Today's reTHUGS are Fascists and Fascists have a known history of wearing various

masks to hide their seething brain rot and black hearts. One mask they wear is
patriotism and another is support for anti-racism as we've just seen with their various
statements yesterday concerning MLK. The standard fact is you can't trust any of them
at any time,

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:47 PM

6. "Florida State Sen. Joe Gruters"

He's a state senator.
How's he going to pass something with national applications?

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:51 PM

9. He's a hard core Trumper asshole

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Response to Zorro (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:54 PM

13. Don't call me an asshole !

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:06 PM

26. Are you Florida State Sen. Joe Gruters?

If you are, then my comment stands.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:50 PM

7. Just trying things out.

On a small scale.

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Response to Texaswitchy (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:04 PM

22. Exactly. Nt

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:53 PM

11. We should change the anthem to, Born In The U.S.A.

Maybe start having State anthems.

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Response to pwb (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:20 PM

47. or change it to this

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Response to pwb (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:58 PM

53. I have always thought

it should be AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL..............Anything but the star spangled banner.........

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #53)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:39 PM

60. I agree on America the Beautiful.


It even has a reference to God in one stanza which should soothe the religious crowd. And it tells of the natural beauty of our country, which I feel has it in abundance. But no, as always we have to glorify war and conflict.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:54 PM

12. Forcing It, Or Be Punished?

Yeah, don't see that as being constitutional...

Florida has officially hit the top of the list of most fascist states in America. The race to the bottom...ugh.

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Response to GB_RN (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:23 PM

43. North Korea

Of the west. We are so free down here we are forced to be patriotic.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:55 PM

14. Do I have to stand or will I go to jail....Senator.....FU its a racists song....

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:56 PM

38. Wondering the same thing - also wondering if people could dance to it

maybe someone could invent the 'Patriot Boogie' or some such thing.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #38)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 09:23 PM

62. He really has nothing better to do....and the people keep voting them in paying his bills and they

wonder.....why government is bad....maybe they should look in the mirror.....I wouldn't stand....in fact I would have a sign....why do I have to sing....make me....that's how stupid he and they are.....

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:55 PM

15. Nazi much Senator ?

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 04:55 PM

16. Jingoism on public display

for the benefit of GQP politicians.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:04 PM

23. No state senator can do this

But he's getting his 15 minutes of fame.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:04 PM

24. Divide and Conquer. Nt

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:09 PM

28. "as punishment for their defiance"...

This guy is way out of line..........

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:13 PM

29. As if this is so important. Now the affordable housing crisis will be solved along with COVID.

God this people are horrible.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:13 PM

30. Since this is Florida, WHEN it is passed and signed, expect court challenges before the ink dries.

Government should deregulate business to encourage growth, so long as they toe the nationalism line. These people are a walking paradox of ideas.

I thought they believe Government should be less involved with businesses.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:14 PM

31. Ahhh Forced Patriotism

Nothing but the best Facist punishment can buy.
Is that a cramp in your arm Mr. Grutens or are you just trying to block out the sun?

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Response to 4Q2u2 (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 09:16 PM

76. exactly! (well done!) n/t

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:15 PM

32. hem. and they complain a bout dictators or monarches .

oh Say, can you see
By the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed
At the twilight's last gleaming?

Whose broad stripes and bright stars
Through the perilous fight
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly, yeah, streaming?

And the rockets' red glare
The bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night
That our flag was still there

O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave
since when does that fix roads , schools , hospitals , etc. o wait . they want to play games with our lives .

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:16 PM

33. Texas passed a similar law

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:17 PM

34. Can someone please explain the 1st Amendment to this fucking twit?

He is advocating for a textbook example of compelled speech.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:26 PM

35. The party of limited government did what?

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:32 PM

36. I AM SO OLD...

That when I learned the Pledge of Allegiance in gammer school the words "under god" were not included. Were my first amendment rights violated?

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:50 PM

37. I don't particularly like our national anthem. We've had better ones.

Will standing be required next? Will they refuse entrance for those un-patriotic sports fans who arrive AFTER the anthem?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #37)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:28 PM

50. Play that video of well known Trump supporter at the games.

Identify her as such.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:41 PM

51. She's a hot mess. I can't stand her.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:56 PM

52. Hell

play the video with audio of Trump trying to sing the national anthem along with a group.

He got thru the first sentence and tried to go on, not knowing any of the rest....It was hilarious........

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #52)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:06 PM

54. This one?

Trump national anthem mar-a-lago leading the band

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #54)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:44 PM

61. Even his wife has enough decorum and common sense to stand quietly through the song.



But not Donnie Dipshit. I swear, this fuckhead must have a mental age of 7 or 8.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 05:58 PM

39. F*ck him and f*ck his state...sorry if any Floridians here, but it had to be said.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:00 PM

40. That's un-constitutional.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 10:39 PM

66. AND we don't understand Russian ?

 

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:11 PM

41. I have never understood the connection between the national anthem and a ball game. Nor do I

understand the connection between miltitary personnel and ball games.

What's next, we have to play the national anthem in our workplaces.

Enough of this BS.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:57 PM

44. Joe Gruters is a big government nanny state conservative

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 06:57 PM

45. Crystal clear first amendment violation

I bet the SOCTUS would find some magic loophole, though

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:06 PM

46. Can't we just play the sport?

Guess not.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:22 PM

48. I stopped

Watching professional sports back in 2001 — on TV or in person. (I played the Star Spangled Banner dozens of times at high school games, and other events in th late 60s/early 70s…that was enough for a lifetime)

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 07:25 PM

49. I believe this version is in compliance with the law

As performed during the height of the Vietnam War...

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:07 PM

55. Actually, it may be a better idea to...

have Florida State Sen. Joe Gruterssing sing that song, a cappella, live, at his own, patriotically free expense before every sports event in Florida for the duration of his term.

Then Dallas fans won't be the only ones throwing rotten fruit and vegetables on the field!

Maybe he and Rosanne could do a duet?

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:28 PM

56. Yet ANOTHER law destined for court defeat.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:31 PM

57. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

That is all.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 08:34 PM

59. The party of small government, ladies and gentlemen.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 10:15 PM

63. Violation of the 1st amendment as the government has no businesses mandating that

anyone play a specific song or read a specific book.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #63)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 10:31 PM

64. If this is all they got , republican party need's a going out business sale !

 

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 10:34 PM

65. Of course they love this kind of mandate

nothing fascist about a forced show of patriotism

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 11:59 PM

68. Nothing better to do, Joe...?

This is what drives Florida’s political priorities?

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 12:11 AM

69. This is why we lose elections

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 12:30 AM

70. these are the same fuckers who whine about "tyranny"

they wouldn't know tyranny if it bit 'em on the ass

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 03:51 PM

72. What happened to Florida

I know it's always had a reputation for being bonkers, but at least it used to be a competitive swing state. Now it like Ground Zero for Tump/MAGA Nation. It reminds me of Alabama with more beaches.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 04:23 PM

73. Oh say can you fuck yourself ....

Totalitarian b.s.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 04:25 PM

74. If that passes, I guess they'll just have to leave a blank spot here.

"O'er the land of the ____ , and the home of the brave"

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Response to Faygo Kid (Original post)

Wed Jan 19, 2022, 04:28 PM

75. Compulsory patriotism is not patriotic.

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