Manchin: Primary me if you want, I won't go 'nuclear'

If we don't see him go independent after the 22 elections. He will probably still caucus with Dems but he seems very comfortable with the idea that he is no longer on the same page as the rest of the party.

He won't go Pub cuz they'd never trust him with anything. Sorry to say, we're stuck with him for a while.

Why would he lose his chair? Particularly if it's another 50/50 Senate?

And if we lose the Senate, no chair.

I think he'd wait til after the election but real chance he goes Indy.

..a change of heart. He's (and what's her name) got something keeping him steadfast with the filibuster besides his arguments, which lack any political or common sense logic. I can only guess it's contributor related.

But when the country falls to fascism, we'll still have the filibuster.

The Supreme Court is cutting the country anyway.

that think it advantageous to characterizing them with negative aspersions may do just the opposite of what they want.

It only takes one to caucus with the republicans, to make the republicans the majority in the Senate, and lose the chance for judicial appointments.

The goal should be to win enough seats in the midterms to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant

Both made it crystal clear before the Senate power-sharing agreement passed.

Neither has budged in the slightest… though tons of wishful thinkers have speculated on a change dozens of times.

One particularly optimistic reporter continues to opine on it almost weekly despite getting “what part of never don’t you understand?” As a response ten months ago

...Democrats play by the rules, or at least try to, and Republicans will burn the whole thing down for a SC Justice to be confirmed. We're done unless we get Democrats elected and quickly.

If there is a way to take away the right for republican senators to vote like they are in states for the general. If we block or not allow them access we could win with 48 to Maybe two dozen of them we allow to vote or count their vote. Goose and Gander right?

He says he hasn't changed his mind on the filibuster, but there's video/audio of him back in 2011 or so, stating that the filibuster was just a tool of obstruction by the Republican Party and it needed to go.

I heard the audio while I was eating dinner this evening and while can't find it online right now, I did dig up this article, which is linked from his OWN web site, dated 10/13/2011, stating his opposition to the filibuster. The quote in it is pretty much word for word what he said in the audio from TV tonight.

So, before anyone goes and reports me for bashing Democrats, using Republican talking points or any of that, I'm not. I'm just pointing out the man's clearly stated position in the past, and that he's contradicting himself now. If I wanted to bash him, it would be quite obvious, as there would be a lot of four-letter words.

The views can change depending upon which side of the majority someone happens to be on at any given time.

But the Democrats were in the majority in 2011. So, Manchin can't try and make the CYA argument that he made that statement from the minority's side of the aisle & POV back then. He was quite literally making it from the viewpoint of the frustrated majority's side.

From the start of Obama's first term through the middle of his second term, the Democrats had control of the Senate. Moscow Mitch didn't take over until 2015. The Repukes filibustered every thing Obama tried to do. That's why they passed the ACA through reconciliation, instead of regular order: Mitch and his merry band would have filibustered it, otherwise.

From the Senate's History page:

111th Congress (2009–2011)
Majority Party: Democrats (57 seats)
Minority Party: Republicans (41 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent; 1 Independent Democrat (both caucused with the Democrats)
Total Seats: 100


112th Congress (2011–2013)
Majority Party: Democrats (51 seats)
Minority Party: Republicans (47 seats)
Other Parties: 1 Independent; 1 Independent Democrat (both caucused with the Democrats)
Total Seats: 100

113th Congress (2013–2015)
Majority Party: Democrats (53 seats)
Minority Party: Republicans (45 seats)
Other Parties: 2 Independents (both caucused with the Democrats)
Total Seats: 100

114th Congress (2015–2017)
Majority Party: Republicans (54 seats)
Minority Party: Democrats (44 seats)
Other Parties: 2 Independents (both caucused with the Democrats)
Total Seats: 100

an audit of Senate Votes in the States of Maine, Kentucky, and S. Carolina for 2020.....and investigate if they are still using the proven corruptible EIS voting machines and that they were still being used.......

Maine and Kentucky are…or were as of 2020’s elections. I remember reading about the same brand of non-auditable electronic voting machines being used in both states.

That's a trump lie. Anything electronic CAN be hacked, but it would have to be connected to the internet for it to happen. NO evidence that any machine was.

Voting for cloture (i.e., to end a particular filibuster) us not the same thing as wanting to get rid of the filibuster rule.

On March 7 of last year, Manchin stated he would support altering the filibuster rules. He said, "If you want to make it [the filibuster] a little bit more painful, make him stand there and talk. I’m willing to look at any way we can."

Keep digging that hole, Joe. Maybe you'll even find coal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/07/us/politics/joe-manchin-filibuster-stimulus.html

more Senate seats.

Convince a couple of rethuglicans to try being good humans, and see the look on our two renegades faces when they become irrelevant.

him. BUt that doesn't mean we have to give him so much attention. We need to try to win more Senate seats so he loses his power .

protect peoples right to vote, like totally ignoring what the red states are doing, just blowing smoke.

so when it involves caving to Republicans. The irony is astounding.

then I have zero objections to accepting his challenge.

Now maybe we won’t find someone able to replace Manchin but we won’t know if we don’t try.

Get two or more Democrats in the Senate will take away the power Manchin and Sinema have.

Wisconsin and Ohio seem to be doable. Don't know about others.

Once we get two more elected Manchin can be assigned to a different committee. Possibly a minor sub-committee.