US and allies have ignored Russia's security demands, Putin says

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Source: Air Force Times

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that the U.S. and its allies have ignored Russia’s top security demands.

In his first comments on the standoff with the West over Ukraine in more than a month, Putin said the Kremlin is still studying the U.S. and NATO’s response to the Russian security demands they received last week.

But he said it was clear that the West has ignored the Russian demands that NATO will not expand to Ukraine and other ex-Soviet nations, refrain from deploying offensive weapons near Russia and roll back NATO deployments to Eastern Europe.

Putin said the refusal by the U.S. and its allies to heed the Russian demands violate the obligations on integrity of security they made at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. He argued that while Western allies emphasize every country’s freedom to choose alliances, they neglect the principle of the “indivisibility of security” enshrined in the OSCE documents.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-allies-ignored-russia-security-170743448.html

[lagomorph777]

1. Fuck him.

He should be happy we didn't roll into Moscow the minute Trump was out of office.

[marie999]

10. Because we would all be dead.

[ZonkerHarris]

2. Putin is such a snowflake

[RainCaster]

3. My thought exactly!

Is this where the GOP learned to be such whiners? I think so!

[blue-wave]

6. He's gonna hold his breath

And stomp up and down till he turns blue or gets his way. So let’s never give him his way.

[StClone]

4. Pootey's thing is to distract, disrupt and aid his cronies

Notice how Pootey invades when Democratic Presidents are in power purposely to test the Dem and indirectly give the Repiggies an opportunity to attack Dems. Russia is not in a great place outside some minerals, oil, and military weapons. Russian society is worse than almost any Western country as the oligarchs steal and control the Government/Economy. He may also be bolstering his stature in Russia by invading. Who knows, but he will soon be entering the twilight of his mafia rule.

[yaesu]

5. A bully asking for security so he can continue to bully. nt

[ZonkerHarris]

7. In other news the Red Sox claim the Yankees are ignoring their pitching needs

[LudwigPastorius]

9. "...the Russian demands that NATO will not expand to Ukraine"

Not your (or our) country, Vlad. They get to decide what the fuck they want to do.

That punk, Putin, knows that NATO isn't going to add Ukraine as a member any time soon. The "oooh big, bad Russia is afwaid of NATO getting closer" schtick is just cover for him to grab Ukrainian farmland and expand his criminal empire.

[marie999]

11. How would the U.S. react if it had a 3322-mile border with an enemy whose military was #2?

[PaulRevere08]

13. Exactly. Now Putin is a complete POS and a vile human but the Russians have

a long memory of the horrors they suffered thru the invasions of 2 world wars and especially the last one. We were ready to start a nuclear war for the Soviets putting missiles in Cuba.

[thucythucy]

33. And the Ukrainians have a long history of being oppressed by Russia,

from attempts to destroy Ukrainian language and culture under the Czars, to the hundreds of thousands if not millions who died during the Stalin induced famines and purges, all the way up to the Chernobyl disaster which devastated a significant swath of their country.

Also--the people of Ukraine suffered quite as much as Russia during WWII. Kiev was occupied by the Nazis for several years--a fate Moscow never had to endure. People in the West seem to treat the USSR and Russia as the same, but all of Ukraine was devastated during WWII--one hundred percent was fought over and laid waste. Much of the rest of the USSR--including vast tracts of the Russian Federation--saw no Germans at all, except as POWs.

All this saber rattling by Putin isn't going to make Ukrainians any less willing to join NATO.

[Sapient Donkey]

23. Let's say in the future Mexico decides to gain closer relations with China

To the point that we see China doing joint military drills with Mexico near the US/Mexican border and create a security alliance. In that scenario, would the US be right if it uses the threat of invasion to coerce Mexico to change its foreign policy?

I know I would be opposed to our government if they did that. I would rather see us figure out why the relations changed, and take steps to make our country the more desirable partner. Now, if NATO/US was amassing hundreds of thousands of troops on its borders, then I'd fully understand the concern. You don't do an invasion of a militarily powerful nation like Russia with a few thousands troops scattered around.

NATO is not going to be invading Russia. It's only an issue if Russia wants to assert its dominance over its neighbors. If that's what they want, then they should use more carrot and less stick. Maybe take some hints from China. Maybe even team up with China to take on similar economic projects that China is doing across Eurasia/Asia. Although, I'm sure there are plenty of reason for why that's also a bad idea.

[marie999]

24. At the end of WWII, Churchill had his military draw up plans

for the invasion of the Soviet Union. He found out that the Soviet Union would win. Russia knows of those plans, that is why they don't trust NATO.

[StClone]

26. For Russia that is correct

Seventy-five years ago the West made a situation analysis if necessitated, would they win a war against USSR? No, they would not. However, The Reds will not ever evolve into a worldly citizen and forgo the need of the West to undergo such analytics.

[marie999]

27. Not if necessitated, Churchill wanted to destroy the Soviet Union.

[StClone]

28. I'll have to re-read that-if so Churchill was prescient as to what RU was to become.

[StClone]

25. Countries want NATO because of Russia

Putin has NO FEAR of invasion, nukes, or non-nuke missile attacks on Russia. What he fears is the ability to coerce, subvert, and maybe invade ITS Neighbors and subvert world law and order. Mexico has no fear we will invade (though the US gun industry flood of arms and drug problem does threaten its security).

Pootey is playing the drama queen as he is amassing then using the situation to divide, confuse, and propagandize against threats to his gangster regime.

[marie999]

29. Putin doesn't fear invasion, but he doesn't trust NATO to not invade.

French soldiers even joined the Germans after France fell. Many countries invaded Russia during their civil war taking control over different parts of Russia.

[StClone]

30. You are using history as prologue...as is Russia

It may be valid but I suspect most would not see this as a real threat.

[thucythucy]

34. You're talking about events of a century ago.

Not to deny that any of that happened, but one could just as easily discuss the annexation of the Baltic States by Stalin and the liquidation of thousands of their citizens, the invasion and occupation of Poland that same year (1939), the invasion of Finland by the USSR in 1940, the annexation of the eastern half of Poland in 1945, the crushing of popular uprisings in Germany in 1952, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Lithuania again in the 1980s... Is it any surprise that all those countries, with the exception of Finland, are now members of NATO? And that public opinion in Finland is now shifting more in favor of NATO membership?

And Ukraine also has a long history of suffering under Russian domination, on which I elaborated in another post. If anything will push Ukrainians into the arms of the west, it's the prospect of another couple of decades under another ruthless Russian regime.

[Lancero]

38. Certainly explains Ukraines interest in joining NATO.

Protection from a enemy, with the worlds #2 military, who they have the misfortune to share a 1400 mile long border with.

[Mysterian]

12. Another old man willing to kill thousands

for his dream of being a conqueror.

[turbinetree]

14. Looks like Putin is trying to help deflect his flaming orange hair asset troubles here in the US

every time Trump gets deeper into the treason shit Putin puts more troops on the border with Ukraine ... and brings up some BS called "indivisibility of security"... if's that is the case let's talk about the hacking of a server of a person running for office to be president that's called attacking a sovereign nation ....

[DBoon]

15. We haven't ignored his security demands

We have actively opposed them.

Invading a sovereign nation's territory, murdering domestic political opponents on foreign soil, and illicitly manipulating other nation's election requires opposition.

This is true even if it is the USA doing these things

[LiberalLovinLug]

16. If I were NATO, I'd get a quick entry application filled out and rubber stamped today.

Without warning. When does Putin give us warnings?

Just sign it and stand back. We don't have to invade or attack after that.
He called our bluff. Lets throw that back in his face.

That would be the one thing that would stop him in his tracks. At least cause him to weigh more what his odds were.

No one wants a war, but instead of him calling our bluff, lets call his. Then its on him. Love to see him, and his troops, walk away with their tail between their legs with nothing to show for all that expense of that build up. With the added insult that he retreated back with the worst outcome possible and Ukraine now in NATO.

And if he invades anyways? Nothing lost. But Ukraine could at least breathe a little easier knowing the extra troop support that would be mandated by the agreement.

[marie999]

17. Every NATO member would have to vote for it and that is not going to happen.

Russia and Belarus would have to invade Ukraine because they will not have an enemy on 3,322 miles of their borders. Besides, I would say there is a very good possibility that Ukraine would not join NATO because that would start a war. Does NATO really want a war with the second-best military with 1,456 deployed strategic nuclear warheads and 3,000-6,000 tactical nuclear weapons?

[Xolodno]

36. And we already know Paris and Berlin are not onboard for them to be admitted.

Particularly since NATO membership requires no border disputes which they have.

Suddenly ignoring that requirement means its obvious what US intentions are. And let me add, Secretary of State Baker did give assurances that one, NATO would reform and be less of a military alliance and further enlargement was not on the agenda. However, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. had other ideas and they took influential positions in the W administration. These war mongers are responsible for the bad situation we are in. Should have let Yeltsin join NATO when he asked.

Don't think there will be an invasion as of yet (but shit can happen). It should have happened already and its not their military doctrine to be the aggressor usually. But this does give them good intel, score points, make NATO uncomfortable, increase energy prices, etc. If they were interested, they would have hit during Trump.

[marie999]

18. For all of you who think Putin is a whiner and a coward think again. He is not like Trump.

Putin was born in Leningrad in 1952. All his young life he has heard the stories of the siege of Leningrad. He has a law degree and served in the KGB for 15 years retiring as a Lieutenant Colonel. Since 1999, Putin has been either president or prime minister. Don't take him lightly.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

19. No one takes him lightly

nor should we kiss his ass.

[marie999]

20. There were at least 4 here.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

21. Let me elaborate then

No one in the Biden administration takes him lightly.

I can't speak for others on DU.

[marie999]

22. Agreed

[SheltieLover]

31. Putie having a sad because truth is coming out?

[lanlady]

32. The KGB thug has backed himself into a corner

Putin’s given us nothing but childish foot-stomping and recriminations and playground bully antics. Ukraine poses no security threat to anyone. It won’t be invited to join NATO anytime soon. Putin knows this.

Let’s not overthink Putin or see him as some strategic genius. Nah. He just has some deep-seated, irresistible compulsion—a sickness—to acquire and to steal. He started his career in politics by shaking down Saint Petersburg businessmen for cash, then went on to steal a lot more from the Russian Treasury and the Russian people. He stole bits of Georgia and Moldova. He stole large pieces of Ukraine. Now he wants to steal even more of Ukraine. He’s surrounded himself with a clique of yes-men who fill his head with nonsense aimed at justifying and validating his compulsion to take what does not belong to him. It’s how he’s operated since the early 1990s.

More and more I think the situation Russia created around Ukraine is a huge psy ops exercise, but now Putin doesn’t know quite what to do because he made mistakes. For one thing he’s given the West many months now to coordinate and unite its response to any Russian invasion. I don’t see how that works to Russia’s advantage.

[thucythucy]

35. If anything Putin's actions have driven Ukraine further to the west

politically and militarily.

Thus far this has been a counter-productive move on his part, which has the potential of bringing about--not NATO membership--but a Ukraine with far stronger ties to the west than was the case before.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

37. Fuck him and his lying imperialist fascist ass. He wants Ukraine, and the whole world knows it.

Russia needs to get out of Crimea now.