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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:04 PM Feb 2022

70,000 without power in Texas due to massive storm

Source: The Hill

Severe winter weather has left nearly 70,000 Texans without power as of Thursday morning, as freezing temperatures continue to move eastward across the U.S. NWS Fort Worth said on Twitter that Hunt, Fannin and Collin County in northwestern Texas received the highest amount of freezing rain and ice overnight. Winds are expected to increase on Thursday and tree breakage will continue to occur.

According to poweroutage.us, another 24,000 customers in Arkansas have also lost power. These outages comes roughly one year after massive power outages swept across the Lone Star State, resulting in over 200 deaths and prompting criticisms of the state's preparedness against colder temperatures.

The National Weather Service said on Thursday that "an ongoing significant winter storm is expected to impact much of the central and Northeastern U.S. through Friday night." Additionally, the agency forecast that a "corridor of heavy ice accumulation is likely from Texas through the Ohio River Valley."



Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/592629-70000-without-power-in-texas-due-to-massive-storm



The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages the state's power grid, on Wednesday issued a winter weather watch set to end on Tuesday.

“ERCOT is using all the tools available to manage the grid effectively during this winter weather," ERCOT interim CEO Brad Jones said in a statement. "ERCOT will deploy all the resources and aggressively implement the tools available to us to manage the grid reliably during this winter weather."

Earlier this week, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) warned that power outages could be a possibility this week, but said he did not expect the rolling blackouts of last year.
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70,000 without power in Texas due to massive storm (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 OP
Are they blaming windmills again or the green new deal? IronLionZion Feb 2022 #1
More to the point, FoxNewsSucks Feb 2022 #2
Yup! PortTack Feb 2022 #4
EXACTLY bluestarone Feb 2022 #14
Exactly! BlueKentuckyGirl Feb 2022 #24
Beto is nailing Abbott to this cross. L. Coyote Feb 2022 #32
this not the same scenario SO FAR Skittles Feb 2022 #39
So far this hasn't been a grid issue but AndyS Feb 2022 #3
Same issue but this time it's their refusal to bury the lines. Not willing to spend money doing it brewens Feb 2022 #6
Undergrounding Electric Lines mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2022 #10
Synopsis ? left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 #19
Synopsis: mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2022 #23
Abbot telling anyone to drink own urine to stay warm, if not needed to treat the Covid? Alexander Of Assyria Feb 2022 #12
That's more of a local issue LeftInTX Feb 2022 #30
Isn't not burying the lines an issue across the whole country though? Calista241 Feb 2022 #33
Hopefully the grid got an upgrade. forgotmylogin Feb 2022 #13
It looks like the cold is going to last several days. captain queeg Feb 2022 #5
Cruz didn't have much responsibility in CA either but he could throw blame. keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #37
Power outages have dropped to 59000 as of 11:20est. nt yaesu Feb 2022 #7
it's the sun's fault - says traitor abbot samsingh Feb 2022 #8
But,but, but Abbott promised!! gibraltar72 Feb 2022 #9
Book Power! "Throw another Lady Chatterley's Lover in the hearth, will ya' Betty Lou?" bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #11
This is why Texas is worthless corporate state: ancianita Feb 2022 #15
When's Teddy Boy's Flight To Cancun? nt smb Feb 2022 #16
It's not a blackout. BidenRocks Feb 2022 #17
Abbott doesn't deserve any federal aid. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #18
++ nt in2herbs Feb 2022 #29
Hope it works out for them and they don't need to contact their electric company. twodogsbarking Feb 2022 #20
Did Abbott also tell them to go out into there cars and huddle inside them to stay warm turbinetree Feb 2022 #21
Yah, but where's Ted? packman Feb 2022 #22
Kick dalton99a Feb 2022 #25
Dannie Scott Goeb is who pulls Greg's strings. Couple of assholes. czarjak Feb 2022 #26
The irony is hilarious. Texas is always bragging about how much better their utilities are. Martin68 Feb 2022 #27
It is basically a despotic third world shithole and a giant sweatshop dalton99a Feb 2022 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Feb 2022 #41
rolling blackouts? ananda Feb 2022 #31
Me too. hamsterjill Feb 2022 #34
Repukes strike again. The Jungle 1 Feb 2022 #35
Gregg Abbott..... LudwigPastorius Feb 2022 #36
Here we go again orangecrush Feb 2022 #38
Over 1.4 million without power in Arkansas Emile Feb 2022 #40
Is this a rerun? I thought they cancelled this show after the first season. tclambert Feb 2022 #42
This about the inthewind21 Feb 2022 #43

FoxNewsSucks

(10,429 posts)
2. More to the point,
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:10 PM
Feb 2022

will anyone ever ask republicons why they did nothing?

Probably not, they'll just vote for them again.

BlueKentuckyGirl

(402 posts)
24. Exactly!
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 01:22 PM
Feb 2022

I was hoping that just maybe this may be the thing that makes Texans wake up and stop voting for Greg Abbott and his kind! But you're right; probably won't happen.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
32. Beto is nailing Abbott to this cross.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 02:43 PM
Feb 2022

Beto O’Rourke Rips Abbott’s Texas Freeze Failure—And Inaction To Prevent Another

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
39. this not the same scenario SO FAR
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 07:04 PM
Feb 2022

I'm in north Texas and have not been affected yet so it is not the whole state (at least for now)

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
3. So far this hasn't been a grid issue but
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:10 PM
Feb 2022

falling trees breaking power lines for local outages. SO FAR . . .

brewens

(13,580 posts)
6. Same issue but this time it's their refusal to bury the lines. Not willing to spend money doing it
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:14 PM
Feb 2022

right if it slows their wealth piling up slightly.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,419 posts)
10. Undergrounding Electric Lines
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:21 PM
Feb 2022
October 3, 2011 | 2011-R-0338

UNDERGROUNDING ELECTRIC LINES

By: Kevin McCarthy, Principal Analyst

You asked for a discussion of the benefits and costs of placing electric distribution lines underground, particularly in urban areas. You also wanted to know whether there are barriers to placing these lines underground. In practice, undergrounding typically involves telecommunications as well as electric lines. This report discusses the cost and benefits of undergrounding both types of lines, but focuses on electric lines. OLR Report 2004-R-0572 discusses issues surrounding the undergrounding of part of the Norwalk-Middletown electric transmission line.

SUMMARY

This report summarizes recent reports on undergrounding electric distribution lines prepared by public utility commissions in Florida, North Carolina, Oklahoma, and Virginia; a legislative task force in Maryland; and a national study prepared by the Edison Electric Institute (EEI), the trade group of investor-owned electric utilities. Several of the commission analyses were conducted in the wake of major outages caused by storms and, in the case of Florida and Virginia, were prepared at the direction of the state legislature.

The primary benefit of placing new or existing distribution lines underground is that it reduces the frequency of outages, particularly those caused by storms. Undergrounding reduces the costs of post-storm restoration of the electric system and reduces revenue losses for electric utilities resulting from these outages. Undergrounding substantially reduces the costs of tree trimming and other vegetation management and damages to electric facilities caused by vehicle crashes. It reduces the risk of the pubic coming in contact with live wires. In addition, undergrounding provides aesthetic benefits by reducing visual clutter. This may increase the value of nearby properties, although this issue is not analyzed in the reports summarized below.

On the other hand, undergrounding is expensive. According to EEI, building a new overhead distribution line costs between $136,000 and $197,000 per mile, depending on several factors including population density of the area served (urban areas being the most expensive). The cost of new underground lines ranges between $409,000 and $559,000 per mile. The Virginia commission estimated the cost of new underground lines to be four to six times more expensive than new overhead lines.

Undergrounding existing overhead facilities is even more expensive. The Virginia commission found that “the relocation of currently existing overhead lines would result in tremendous costs and significant disruptions… [and] could take decades to complete.” It estimated that the cost of placing all existing electric distribution lines in the state underground would be about $83 billion or about $3,000 per customer per year. Undergrounding telecommunications lines statewide would cost an additional $11 billion. The Florida, Oklahoma, and North Carolina commissions made similar findings.

We have not been able to find any general cost estimates for undergrounding in Connecticut. However, several years ago Yale University proposed to build a new biology building on Whitney Avenue in New Haven. As part of the project, the university proposed to bury the existing electric and telecommunications lines on both sides of the avenue from Edwards Street to Trumbull Street, a distance of one-half mile. The architect for the project, Pelli Clarke Pelli, estimates that undergrounding the lines in this area, which primarily serves commercial and institutional customers, would cost approximately $2 million ($4 million per mile).

There are several disadvantages to undergrounding besides costs. While underground lines experience fewer outages than overhead lines, it is more difficult to find faults on them than overhead lines and they take longer to repair. Underground lines are less capable of dealing with overloads and are more complicated to upgrade or modify.

Undergrounding in urban areas has several additional barriers. Underground lines need boxes for switches and other equipment. These boxes, which are located above ground, are typically six feet long, eight feet wide, and four feet high. In densely populated urban areas, there may be insufficient room in the existing utility easement for the boxes. In some cases, undergrounding existing lines would require the utility to acquire new easements. New easements may be needed when the utility only has a right to use the space above the surface or when the existing overhead route is inappropriate for an underground line, e.g., when a line goes over a water body. Obtaining new easements may be particularly difficult in urban areas where lots are small. In addition, building underground lines in an urban area may require the use of directional boring rather than trenching, which is less expensive, in order to minimize disruptions to streets and driveways.

Nonetheless, several states and many municipalities require that new distribution systems be undergrounded. The staff of the Florida commission recommended undergrounding of existing systems in several cases, such as when utilities need to relocate their lines in conjunction with road construction.

{snip}

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,419 posts)
23. Synopsis:
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 01:11 PM
Feb 2022
On the other hand, undergrounding is expensive. According to EEI, building a new overhead distribution line costs between $136,000 and $197,000 per mile, depending on several factors including population density of the area served (urban areas being the most expensive). The cost of new underground lines ranges between $409,000 and $559,000 per mile. The Virginia commission estimated the cost of new underground lines to be four to six times more expensive than new overhead lines.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
33. Isn't not burying the lines an issue across the whole country though?
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 02:48 PM
Feb 2022

Here in Georgia, we have both suspended and buried lines everywhere. I know in California, many of the wildfires of recent years have come from sparking power lines. The same is true across the midwest where they're taken out by tornados.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
13. Hopefully the grid got an upgrade.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:25 PM
Feb 2022

That happened in my area over a decade ago: we had a massive ice storm that knocked out power for an entire week and required extensive repairs. After that we had similar storms but the power outages were only temporary, so I would assume they made upgrades to ensure the damage and outages wouldn't be as extensive again.

captain queeg

(10,181 posts)
5. It looks like the cold is going to last several days.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:13 PM
Feb 2022

I hope the governor gets lots of bad publicity. Cruz too, though he doesn’t have much responsibility in this case.

keithbvadu2

(36,778 posts)
37. Cruz didn't have much responsibility in CA either but he could throw blame.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 06:54 PM
Feb 2022

Pic Of The Moment: Ah, The Party Of Personal Responsibility

“California is now unable to perform even basic functions of civilization, like having reliable electricity,” Cruz wrote back then.

ancianita

(36,031 posts)
15. This is why Texas is worthless corporate state:
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:32 PM
Feb 2022
ERCOT interim CEO Brad Jones said in a statement. "ERCOT will deploy all the resources and aggressively implement the tools available to us to manage the grid reliably during this winter weather."

Earlier this week, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) warned that power outages could be a possibility this week, but said he did not expect the rolling blackouts of last year.


Fucking worthless corporate owners of a worthless governor.

This is the time to promote Beto O'Rourke, even though he's got $38 mil so far. https://betoorourke.com


I just donated.

gab13by13

(21,319 posts)
18. Abbott doesn't deserve any federal aid.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:39 PM
Feb 2022

If he wants federal assistance he should have to pay for it. He wants his own grid he needs to maintain it with state funds.

twodogsbarking

(9,736 posts)
20. Hope it works out for them and they don't need to contact their electric company.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:42 PM
Feb 2022

Nothing rivals trying to deal with (pick a disgraceful term).

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
21. Did Abbott also tell them to go out into there cars and huddle inside them to stay warm
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 12:51 PM
Feb 2022

maybe he can go down to the local hardware store and sell heat tape wrap for pipes....as using all the tools available to manage the grid , but I forgot you need power to plug in the heat tape wraps ......go to plan one ....or plan two....or plan three....and continue the gaslighting and talking out of the sides of one's mouth....

Martin68

(22,794 posts)
27. The irony is hilarious. Texas is always bragging about how much better their utilities are.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 02:03 PM
Feb 2022

Always trying to diss California. I call it Poetic Justice.

Response to Martin68 (Reply #27)

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
35. Repukes strike again.
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 02:58 PM
Feb 2022

What is so sickening is that the repuke fools will still support these pukes even though their electricity is out again. The power is off and it is the fault of repuke leadership. Please remove your blindfolds.

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