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Zorro

(18,692 posts)
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:15 PM Feb 2022

Feds arrest married couple, seize $3.6 billion in hacked bitcoin funds

Source: Washington Post

The Justice Department announced Tuesday it had seized more than $3.6 billion in bitcoin allegedly stolen as part of a 2016 hack of Bitfinex, saying authorities have also arrested a husband and wife in New York for allegedly trying to launder the cryptocurrency fortune.

Officials said Ilya Lichtenstein, 34, and his wife, Heather Morgan, 31, were charged with conspiring to launder money. They are accused of trying to launder 119,754 bitcoin that were stolen after a hacker breached the cryptocurrency exchange Bitfinex and initiated more than 2,000 unauthorized transactions. Prosecutors said the bitcoin was sent to a digital wallet controlled by Lichtenstein.

At the time of the theft, that amount of bitcoin was worth about $71 million. But the cryptocurrency has appreciated so much in the years since that the total value is now around $4.5 billion. Federal officials said they were able to seize about 94,000 of the stolen bitcoin, with an estimated value of $3.6 billion.

The case marks the largest single seizure of funds in the Justice Department history, officials said, and is the most high-profile prosecution to emerge from the agency’s newly-announced effort to investigate crimes involving cryptocurrency.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/08/bitfinex-hack-bitcoin-arrests/



Cryptocurrency is just too cryptocryptic for me.
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Feds arrest married couple, seize $3.6 billion in hacked bitcoin funds (Original Post) Zorro Feb 2022 OP
A want no part of this. Nope. secondwind Feb 2022 #1
A pretty big f'n deal, this. ancianita Feb 2022 #2
Despite what some think, crypto is not untracable. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #3
Exactly. Few people seem to know that those "wallets" are all traceable. PSPS Feb 2022 #24
Could have gotten away with it too... JohnnyRingo Feb 2022 #4
To get away with it they would have had to move to Russia and bribe officials. Beakybird Feb 2022 #5
Russian national Ilya Lichtenstein ToxMarz Feb 2022 #11
Or Mar-ma-lardo. SergeStorms Feb 2022 #19
The most secure, unhackable, cheapest, most reliable way to move money bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #6
Just seems to me that at SOME point someone will figure out the program. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #10
The cryptography behind bitcoin is considered very solid localroger Feb 2022 #33
But how could it be more secure than our own military or banking programs? oldsoftie Feb 2022 #34
Cryptographic strength can become dated localroger Feb 2022 #35
Actually, Bitcoin wasn't hacked; the exchange was hacked localroger Feb 2022 #14
They like saying they stole the money from the bank but the vault was safe. /nt bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #16
Not really. You can use bitcoin without using an exchange. localroger Feb 2022 #18
Precisely, also before required 2FA security on most exchanges JCMach1 Feb 2022 #21
Crypto seems related to a Ponzi scheme to me. justhanginon Feb 2022 #7
;-{)🖖‍ Goonch Feb 2022 #8
Some folks have lost their bitcoins because they lost their password. keithbvadu2 Feb 2022 #9
Such hacking has always involved something off the blockchain localroger Feb 2022 #30
I remember reading about 1 person . . . toopers Feb 2022 #36
lol she has a TikTok mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2022 #12
How do you "seize" imaginary currency??? TNNurse Feb 2022 #13
Do you mean, like, dollars? Tommymac Feb 2022 #22
The government calls crypto assets securities, even if their only value is some greater fool to sell Eugene Feb 2022 #31
From the DoJ PR nitpicker Feb 2022 #15
Like many, they didn't get caught stealing, they got caught trying to become honest. Tommymac Feb 2022 #23
They were probably really undone by the explosive rise in value localroger Feb 2022 #28
I've never trusted crypto or gotten involved in it IronLionZion Feb 2022 #17
They can't, unless you are sloppy localroger Feb 2022 #32
Cryptocurrencies: Millions of tons of Methane (CH4) released by melting permafrost... Justice matters. Feb 2022 #20
A Russian National and bitcoin. Not shocked. Get rid of bitcoin rockfordfile Feb 2022 #25
Why is the DOJ involved? Mawspam2 Feb 2022 #26
Because they didn't hack the cryptocurrency itself, they hacked an exchange localroger Feb 2022 #29
Our national interest is recovering it from the criminal IbogaProject Feb 2022 #27
A Crucial Clue in the $4.5 Billion Bitcoin Heist: A $500 Walmart Gift Card mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2022 #37

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
2. A pretty big f'n deal, this.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:20 PM
Feb 2022

It doesn't legitimize cryptocurrency as a world currency, but it's good enforcement.

This is what the Justice Department does while people wonder if it's doing enough re Jan 6.

JohnnyRingo

(20,870 posts)
4. Could have gotten away with it too...
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:22 PM
Feb 2022

If it wasn't for you meddling Feds.

Wouldn't that piss someone off? They swipe an initial investment and put it in a market that booms. They watch their wealth pile up as the stock skyrockets, but it's just a matter of time before it all falls apart.

I'll bet they wished they just made a legitimate investment, and probably will for about ten to fifteen years.

bucolic_frolic

(55,136 posts)
6. The most secure, unhackable, cheapest, most reliable way to move money
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:26 PM
Feb 2022

GOT HACKED!! Put that through your crypto minds.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
10. Just seems to me that at SOME point someone will figure out the program.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:54 PM
Feb 2022

I mean, it was made by a man, so why couldn't it also be decoded by one? Or a group of computers
I'm pretty sure it will all fall apart the week after I invest a substantial amount in it

localroger

(3,782 posts)
33. The cryptography behind bitcoin is considered very solid
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:28 PM
Feb 2022

Some of the other cryptocurrencies a bit less so, as there are compromises. But one of the reasons bitcoin uses so much energy is that it is strongly protected by the most modern cryptographic strategies. If anyone ever did compromise bitcoin it would mean they had also already compromised every algorithm ever used to protect web commerce, a lot of banking, and some seriously important governmental functions. Yes, it was made by a man, but it was made with a strategy, using "one-way" functions that are easy to do in one way but very hard to undo the other way. Crypto may collapse for myriad reasons, but being hacked is unlikely to be one of those reasons for decades at the earliest.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
34. But how could it be more secure than our own military or banking programs?
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 08:10 AM
Feb 2022

And let me be the first to admit I know less about programming than Donald Trump knows about manners. Its just that we see "hacks" into all kinds of supposedly secure systems all the time, so it just seems to be a matter of time. Or maybe its much more likely that we see "wallets" hacked and crypto stolen

localroger

(3,782 posts)
35. Cryptographic strength can become dated
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 12:01 PM
Feb 2022

What seemed like a very solid key in 1990 turns out to be not so solid today, especially if your would-be hacker is a government with a supercomputer. The original DES-56 is considered completely compromised. Most modern systems use 256 bit keys, which are still considered unbreakable but there is some concern as to for how long. Bitcoin uses 512-bit keys out of the gate, so it is likely to stay unbroken for much longer. Why didn't early systems use longer keys? They add to the time and processing power needed to code and decode the messages. The same faster machines that make breaking codes practical make more secure codes with longer keys practical too.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
14. Actually, Bitcoin wasn't hacked; the exchange was hacked
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 03:43 PM
Feb 2022

Exchange users transfer their bitcoin to the exchange, which creates an account in fiat money funded by it. All of these big crypto hacks have involved the exchanges being hacked, either by not securing their own bitcoin wallet where the customers' bitcoin is saved or by hacking the account system which is completely separate from bitcoin itself.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
18. Not really. You can use bitcoin without using an exchange.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 03:59 PM
Feb 2022

I have had about a quarter of a bitcoin donated to me through the tip jar on my personal website (obviously, long before it got so stupidly expensive). I have cashed nearly all of it out by buying gift cards from eGifter, which uses a service that directly accepts bitcoin for payment. The people who get wiped out in hacks are day traders who keep their "bitcoin" fluid by keeping an exchange account that lets them move between BTC and $$$ to take advantage of momentary price shifts. It's not necessary to do this, and if you use Bitcoin directly through a client like Electrum, you are using a method that has never been hacked. If I had more Bitcoin and wanted to do something larger like buy a house, I'd use the exchange to convert the BTC to $$$ and then immediately transfer the balance to a real bank. As far as the other direction I'd never do anything as stupid as paying $$$ to buy bitcoin myself, but if for some reason I went mad and wanted to, I'd have the exchange transfer the BTC to a wallet under my control immediately to reduce my exposure to the hacking problem.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
9. Some folks have lost their bitcoins because they lost their password.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 02:33 PM
Feb 2022

Some folks have lost their bitcoins because they lost their password.

There's legitimate money to be made if you can hack accounts for a percentage.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
30. Such hacking has always involved something off the blockchain
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:23 PM
Feb 2022

Nobody has ever recovered a password directly from the blockchain. It is far beyond the capability of modern computers, and likely to be beyond even quantum computers (if they can be made to work at all) for some time beyond their initial practical development. Bitcoin is stolen by stealing the passwords from off-blockchain devices such as exchange computer systems or personal hard drives. Or, if you were really stupid and used a short one, guessing. If you have no password you have no access with no recovery mechanism, and if someone else gets your password they can use it to transfer all your bitcoin to a new wallet that's not under your control, and there's no recovery from that either.

Exchanges are a particular weakness because a lot of people who "own bitcoin" actually own an account at the exchange, which they use to do day trades, and the actual bitcoin is in a wallet controlled by the exchange. If that is compromised because the exchange has sloppy security, all their customers are SOL.

toopers

(1,224 posts)
36. I remember reading about 1 person . . .
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 02:22 PM
Feb 2022

who had earned a significant profit in crypto but forgot his password. He had protected his hard drive or whatever (sorry for the lack of tech knowledge) so that it would automatically wipe clean after a certain number of failed access attempts in a row. When I read the story he stated that he was down to his last chance. I am not sure how that story ended.

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,850 posts)
12. lol she has a TikTok
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 03:21 PM
Feb 2022
David Weigel Retweeted

lol she has a TikTok



BREAKING: DOJ says Ilya Lichtenstein, 34, and his wife, Heather Morgan, 31, both of New York, were arrested today and charged with money laundering cryptocurrency stolen from Bitfinex in 2016. DOJ says it has recovered a whopping $3.6 billion worth of crypto.



On her LinkedIn page, Heather Morgan, who was arrested today, calls herself a "serial entrepreneur" and also a "surrealist artist/rapper."



https://www.linkedin.com/in/untraveling/

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
22. Do you mean, like, dollars?
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 04:26 PM
Feb 2022

'Normal' currency today is all backed by public confidence in it. Really nothing else.

It too could be called 'imaginary' in a lot of respects.

Bitcoin & other e-currency are no different in most respects. If some parties accept it as a legitimate compensation for service performed it is valid to both those parties.

Eugene

(67,101 posts)
31. The government calls crypto assets securities, even if their only value is some greater fool to sell
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:30 PM
Feb 2022

them onward. It stores value like a coupon or a collectable.

Search the computers, find the keys to the wallet(s) and transfer back the stolen digital goods on the blockchain.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
15. From the DoJ PR
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 03:49 PM
Feb 2022
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-arrested-alleged-conspiracy-launder-45-billion-stolen-cryptocurrency

(snip)
After the execution of court-authorized search warrants of online accounts controlled by Lichtenstein and Morgan, special agents obtained access to files within an online account controlled by Lichtenstein. Those files contained the private keys required to access the digital wallet that directly received the funds stolen from Bitfinex, and allowed special agents to lawfully seize and recover more than 94,000 bitcoin that had been stolen from Bitfinex.
(snip)

The criminal complaint alleges that Lichtenstein and Morgan employed numerous sophisticated laundering techniques, including using fictitious identities to set up online accounts; utilizing computer programs to automate transactions, a laundering technique that allows for many transactions to take place in a short period of time; depositing the stolen funds into accounts at a variety of virtual currency exchanges and darknet markets and then withdrawing the funds, which obfuscates the trail of the transaction history by breaking up the fund flow; converting bitcoin to other forms of virtual currency, including anonymity-enhanced virtual currency (AEC), in a practice known as “chain hopping”; and using U.S.-based business accounts to legitimize their banking activity.
(snip)

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
23. Like many, they didn't get caught stealing, they got caught trying to become honest.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 04:34 PM
Feb 2022

The fruit of thy labors be poisoned no matter what.

Stealing is really not that hard to do without getting noticed.

Yet thieves of this caliber rarely think about the fact that dirty laundry always stinks.

Hiding the stench before you can launder it is hard.





localroger

(3,782 posts)
28. They were probably really undone by the explosive rise in value
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:04 PM
Feb 2022

It's tricky to launder bitcoin because by its nature the blockchain contains a record of every transaction. And of course the more it's worth, the more people will put effort into the detective work. And if they made that work they would also have had to figure out how to explain the part where they went from being regular schmoos to having billions of dollars. They were trying to operate way above their pay grade.

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
17. I've never trusted crypto or gotten involved in it
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 03:55 PM
Feb 2022

but apparently lots of criminals are in it falsely believing that law enforcement can't seize it.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
32. They can't, unless you are sloppy
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:34 PM
Feb 2022

In this case the perps left 96K of the 120K bitcoin they stole (by hacking an exchange to get the password) because the Feds were able to hack their password from a seized device and transfer all the coin. If I had made a score like this the first order of business would be to spread the BTC out across at least a hundred new wallets with randomized passwords and make sue there was no place all the passwords are saved together. I would print the passwords out on separate notes, incinerate the computer I did to use the dispersal, and hide the password notes all over the place, no two in one spot. That way even if they catch you in a transaction and manage to snag that password, they only get that small chunk of the loot. Of course the original dispersal accounts can all be linked to the transfer account from the stolen account by reading the blockchain, but that's when you get busy obfuscating the wallets you intend to use for real world activity. Do it right and there's no way for any one hacking or police action to get more than a small fraction of the whole thing.

That being said, most criminals don't get the "do it right" part.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
20. Cryptocurrencies: Millions of tons of Methane (CH4) released by melting permafrost...
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 04:08 PM
Feb 2022

in the Arctic circle that would take a lot longer to without cryptocurrencies.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2954/nasa-flights-detect-millions-of-arctic-methane-hotspots/

Mawspam2

(1,106 posts)
26. Why is the DOJ involved?
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 05:11 PM
Feb 2022

Cryptos big appeal is that it is totally unregulated by government. It is supposed to be a law-free zone. If you are smart enough to hack and steal, good for you, right?

localroger

(3,782 posts)
29. Because they didn't hack the cryptocurrency itself, they hacked an exchange
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:08 PM
Feb 2022

...which is a business operating within a national territory, and stealing from it is a crime under that nation's laws.

IbogaProject

(5,913 posts)
27. Our national interest is recovering it from the criminal
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 05:25 PM
Feb 2022

So they don't cause problems later. I hope the DOJ starts levying costs and a recovery Commission.

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,850 posts)
37. A Crucial Clue in the $4.5 Billion Bitcoin Heist: A $500 Walmart Gift Card
Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:08 AM
Feb 2022
U.S.

A Crucial Clue in the $4.5 Billion Bitcoin Heist: A $500 Walmart Gift Card

Increasingly sophisticated tools and some gift cards helped lead investigators to charge a young couple with conspiring to launder billions

By James Fanelli, Ben Foldy and Dustin Volz
james.fanelli@wsj.com
ben.foldy@wsj.com
https://twitter.com/dnvolz
dustin.volz@wsj.com
Feb. 15, 2022 3:29 pm ET

Federal investigators spent years hunting for clues in the 2016 hacking of the Bitfinex cryptocurrency exchange, when thieves stole bitcoin now worth $4.5 billion. In the end, what helped lead them to two suspects was something much more quotidian: a $500 Walmart gift card.

That card and more than a dozen others like it, including for Uber , Hotels.com and PlayStation, were linked to emails and cloud service providers belonging to a young Manhattan couple, Ilya “Dutch” Lichtenstein and Heather R. Morgan, according to a criminal complaint. Authorities arrested the couple after seizing $3.6 billion worth of bitcoin allegedly in their control—the Justice Department’s largest financial seizure ever.

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