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blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 03:44 AM Feb 2022

Russia begins major military exercise that West fears is cover for attacking Ukraine

Source: MSN/Washington Post

Russian forces on Thursday will begin 10 days of military exercises with Belarus, Kyiv’s Moscow-friendly neighbor, in what Western officials fear could be cover for a renewed invasion of Ukraine.

Top Russian military commanders flew into Belarus on Wednesday for the maneuvers, which involve thousands of troops and sophisticated weapons systems including S-400 surface-to-air missiles, Pantsir air defense systems and Su-35 fighter jets. A day earlier, Russian warships sailed toward the Black Sea for an exercise that puts them within range of Ukraine’s long southern coastline.

Officials in Moscow and Minsk have said Russian troops will withdraw after the exercises. But U.S. and European security officials are not convinced.

Russian officials, who deny they have plans to attack Ukraine, continue to blame the United States and NATO for driving up tensions. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia was staging the joint exercises with Belarus to combat “unprecedented security threats … the nature and, perhaps, concentration of which are, unfortunately, much larger and much more dangerous than before.”

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-begins-major-military-exercise-that-west-fears-is-cover-for-attacking-ukraine/ar-AATG9r8



"Russian officials, who deny they have plans to attack Ukraine, continue to blame the United States and NATO for driving up tensions."


Russian projectionism never ceases to amaze me. They never do anything wrong.
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Russia begins major military exercise that West fears is cover for attacking Ukraine (Original Post) blue-wave Feb 2022 OP
Fears or hopes? The nat-sec-media-coroprate blob is drooling over this... RockRaven Feb 2022 #1
Lol ok (Nt) FreepFryer Feb 2022 #4
Peace sells inwiththenew Feb 2022 #10
So it's all America's fault? blue-wave Feb 2022 #15
putin paraphrasing mein kampf again nt msongs Feb 2022 #2
Reminds me of a radio announcement of September 1, 1939 DFW Feb 2022 #3
Well- James48 Feb 2022 #5
WHAT? ancianita Feb 2022 #7
Then it's not a military exercise, is it. It's real but called unreal. Hybrid propaganda. ancianita Feb 2022 #6
+1 2naSalit Feb 2022 #12
Some have speculated that blue-wave Feb 2022 #16
Putin made those same moves in Georgia, Donbass and Crimea. ancianita Feb 2022 #17
Russia and Belarus are not going to invade Ukraine unless Ukraine is about to join NATO. marie999 Feb 2022 #8
I hope you're right... Wuddles440 Feb 2022 #9
He can probably do that without invading Ukraine. marie999 Feb 2022 #14
Your source? blue-wave Feb 2022 #18
It is a threat until NATO puts it in writing. marie999 Feb 2022 #19
NATO keeps their promise to stay out of Eastern Germany though... TomWilm Feb 2022 #21
Just sanction the MF, seriously, and then see what his criminal enterprise does... turbinetree Feb 2022 #11
their puppet llashram Feb 2022 #13
Something happens, it should be next week I am thinking: EX500rider Feb 2022 #20

RockRaven

(14,950 posts)
1. Fears or hopes? The nat-sec-media-coroprate blob is drooling over this...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:05 AM
Feb 2022

Putin and his ilk are peas-in-a-pod with a lot of the movers-and-shakers crafting the American media narrative on this situation. Very very useful thing, this "crisis."

DFW

(54,328 posts)
3. Reminds me of a radio announcement of September 1, 1939
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 04:38 AM
Feb 2022

« Seit fünf Uhr wird zurückgeschossen! »

It doesn’t have to happen, although Putin’s Halliburtons are no doubt pushing for it.

I only hope that Putin figures out sooner rather than later, « I do not need this shit, » decides he has made his point, and withdraws.

James48

(4,429 posts)
5. Well-
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 05:12 AM
Feb 2022

Looks like I’m going to have to sell most of my stocks tomorrow and shift into stocks that will be jumping at the first signs of actual conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

1. Oil
2. Precious metals

What else should I buy if WWIII starts within a week or so?

ancianita

(36,009 posts)
6. Then it's not a military exercise, is it. It's real but called unreal. Hybrid propaganda.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:05 AM
Feb 2022

They will move in like they did back in Donbass and deny that they're there.

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
16. Some have speculated that
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:15 PM
Feb 2022

Putin won't invade Ukraine until the winter Olympics are over, closing ceremonies are on the 20th of February. 10 days of military "exercises" starting today the 10th of February, would end on the same day as the Olympic closing ceremonies. I hope I'm wrong, I never want to see war again.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
8. Russia and Belarus are not going to invade Ukraine unless Ukraine is about to join NATO.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 08:40 AM
Feb 2022

And that won't happen because it only takes one NATO country to vote no.

Wuddles440

(1,121 posts)
9. I hope you're right...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:25 AM
Feb 2022

but I expect Putin to move on Ukraine shortly after the Olympics conclude. After investing the effort to amass such a force, I can't imagine it being staged just as a threat to discourage any further consideration of Ukraine joining NATO. He wants the country back so he can't install another puppet government that's beholden to him.

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
18. Your source?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:22 PM
Feb 2022

What you don't understand is that Ukraine is in no way a threat to Russia concerning NATO membership. This is because NATO does not accept countries embroiled in an active war. As such, Putin himself guaranteed no NATO membership for Ukraine by invading and continuing the war in Crimea and Donbas. He invades again it's pure malice toward Ukrainians.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
19. It is a threat until NATO puts it in writing.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 02:34 PM
Feb 2022

There were many talks between Gorbachev and Secretary of State Baker about NATO would not expand to the East if Germany was allowed to reunify. It never became to be. Russia does not have any reason to trust NATO, and NATO does not have any reason to trust Russia.

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
21. NATO keeps their promise to stay out of Eastern Germany though...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 06:48 AM
Feb 2022

In the "Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany" from September 1990: "Foreign armed forces and nuclear weapons or their carriers will not be stationed in that part of Germany or deployed there."
https://web.archive.org/web/20091022091023/https://chnm.gmu.edu/1989/archive/files/germany-final-settlement_e0189c0884.pdf

For the rest of Eastern Europe, it was not written down in contract form. But that clear understanding is in all of their discussions:

Gorbachev: It goes without saying that a broadening of the NATO zone is not acceptable.
Secretary of State James Baker: We agree with that.

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
11. Just sanction the MF, seriously, and then see what his criminal enterprise does...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:42 AM
Feb 2022

what is striking is that in the last election he threatened Google and Apple, where-by the opposition party could have voted using there platforms to vote for Navalny's supporters and he blackmailed them to shut down the app, and now look where the world is....a very small man with nuclear weapons blackmailing everyone that comes across him.... and since he is doing this I still think there is link as to why he is doing this, so that he can in some ways deflect and provide cover for the asshole living in Mar A Lago , since they are joined at the hip, and have been for some time.....just my rant...

llashram

(6,265 posts)
13. their puppet
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:59 AM
Feb 2022

here in America has the same problem. Blame everyone else while looting the treasury or as in Putin's case taking over another country. All have been so transparent. If the fascists don't win this current war to take over the world, history will not be kind to these dangerous puppets and puppet masters. Perpetrators of much chaos and death.

EX500rider

(10,831 posts)
20. Something happens, it should be next week I am thinking:
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 06:02 PM
Feb 2022
Russia's naval exercises will take place next week in the two seas to the south of Ukraine, the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60340232
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