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Polybius

(21,625 posts)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 12:44 PM Feb 2022

Manchin wants Sinema to take a fresh look at tax rate hikes on corporations and the rich, but she's

Source: Business Insider

Manchin wants Sinema to take a fresh look at tax rate hikes on corporations and the rich, but she's not budging

Sen. Joe Manchin is starting to turn up the heat on another Democratic holdout with competing demands on President Joe Biden's spending bill.

The conservative West Virginia Democrat has ramped up calls this month to step up taxes on the richest Americans and large firms. But he's likely to encounter resistance from Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, who shut the door on hiking tax rates on both of those groups last fall.

"I respect her and what her concerns may be, but I think basically our financial situation is getting worse, not better, so maybe we can take another look at it," Manchin told The Wall Street Journal. "I would hope so."

"Why can't we just get a good solid tax plan that works? That's the first thing to do." he told the Journal.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/manchin-sinema-to-budge-tax-rate-hikes-corporations-rich-2022-2

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Manchin wants Sinema to take a fresh look at tax rate hikes on corporations and the rich, but she's (Original Post) Polybius Feb 2022 OP
Welcome to our world, Joe. n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2022 #1
Boy DownriverDem Feb 2022 #2
Make.Her.Vote. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #3
Are you really sure she wouldn't love to be placed in such a position - with all the inherent PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #7
If she's going to block the bill anyway, force her to go on the record, and seal her doom. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #8
Absolutely. brush Feb 2022 #12
I think she is doomed either way. Claustrum Feb 2022 #16
I don't think she'll be running in the Democratic senate primary in 2024. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #17
Wonder what got to Joe? Can't imagine he's doing this based on principle. Perhaps I'm wrong, KPN Feb 2022 #4
Good question. But not to worry, when his corporate backers... brush Feb 2022 #13
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Feb 2022 #33
He can afford to put on show for something that's not going to happem CentralMass Feb 2022 #15
Bingo -- you win! KPN Feb 2022 #20
I think his views might actually be honest Polybius Feb 2022 #23
Can't we get any leverage over her? Must be something she wants, or something doesn't want revealed Walleye Feb 2022 #5
A big gift certificate for her local thrift store, maybe? Harker Feb 2022 #27
Lust for power is killing our country Walleye Feb 2022 #28
It is... Harker Feb 2022 #30
They're worried sick that anything they do might help Black people and immigrants Walleye Feb 2022 #31
I Faux pas Feb 2022 #6
She worried about upscale retiree vote in AZ bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #9
You Mean All That Oil Tycoon Money She's Obtained... GB_RN Feb 2022 #14
Is this Good Cop, Bad Cop? TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #10
These 2 could be a tag-team in the WWE. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #18
Bad cop, worse cop? dchill Feb 2022 #26
That's exactly what this is! The two of them Emile Feb 2022 #36
An out for Manchin so he can blame someone else ? CentralMass Feb 2022 #11
Maybe this route could pull a RETHUGLICON into the picture? bluestarone Feb 2022 #19
On a tax bill?. Never going to happen. Walleye Feb 2022 #29
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Feb 2022 #34
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Feb 2022 #35
Large corporations should be taxed 90% however the high total % of employee they have here in the cstanleytech Feb 2022 #21
Corporate Monopolies are the enemy of democracy BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #22
A look at some of Synema's contributors ... surprise, surprise, surprise. ificandream Feb 2022 #24
"..I respect her and what her concerns may be..." dchill Feb 2022 #25
This made me chuckle /nt wackadoo wabbit Feb 2022 #32

Fiendish Thingy

(22,453 posts)
3. Make.Her.Vote.
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 12:49 PM
Feb 2022

Stop with the negotiations. Let Manchin craft a bill that the rest of the Dems support, then force Sinema to be the sole Dem No vote.

She doesn’t have the guts.

Fiendish Thingy

(22,453 posts)
8. If she's going to block the bill anyway, force her to go on the record, and seal her doom.
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:00 PM
Feb 2022

Her primary opponent can make the vote a focal point of their campaign.

Claustrum

(5,056 posts)
16. I think she is doomed either way.
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:14 PM
Feb 2022

She lost way too many democratic votes to ever get elected again, even before she go on the record for this bill.

KPN

(17,201 posts)
4. Wonder what got to Joe? Can't imagine he's doing this based on principle. Perhaps I'm wrong,
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 12:50 PM
Feb 2022

but where were those principles last fall during the push for BBB?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
13. Good question. But not to worry, when his corporate backers...
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:10 PM
Feb 2022

call him, he'll change his tune about raising taxes on the rich. He likes to tease and seem reasonable before he moves the goal posts once again.

Polybius

(21,625 posts)
23. I think his views might actually be honest
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:04 PM
Feb 2022

He's a conservative Democrat, but is with us on most things. Just my guess though.

Harker

(17,552 posts)
27. A big gift certificate for her local thrift store, maybe?
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:45 PM
Feb 2022

Given that she's teaching college students the art of fundraising, I think I know what motivates her.

GB_RN

(3,531 posts)
14. You Mean All That Oil Tycoon Money She's Obtained...
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:12 PM
Feb 2022

Recently? She’s gotten a shitload of money from energy sector and other GOPQ donors in the last couple of quarters, most of it from Texas. IIRC, he’s had a couple of fundraisers with Senator John Cornhole (R-Scumbag) from Texas, as well.

The flip side of that coin is, her small donor money has dried up. There are only so many rich people who can donate the max, but you can keep hitting up small donors as there are lots more of them. So her fundraising is going to hit a ceiling.

bluestarone

(21,632 posts)
19. Maybe this route could pull a RETHUGLICON into the picture?
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:29 PM
Feb 2022

Won't need Sinema. I don't like it BUT we DO need to get something done before election. (time to ACCEPT this i guess)

Walleye

(44,039 posts)
29. On a tax bill?. Never going to happen.
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 03:24 PM
Feb 2022

Republicans hate taxes. Because taxes support the United States. And they hate the United States

cstanleytech

(28,304 posts)
21. Large corporations should be taxed 90% however the high total % of employee they have here in the
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:39 PM
Feb 2022

US that earn more than +250% above the federal poverty level the lower their rate and the effective tax rate for some can and should fall to 0% but only under certain conditions.
For example a company that has 20,000 employees (temp, contract workers and people employed by a franchise count as employees) worldwide with 90% of them located and working inside the US can go to zero if 95% of all of those employees earn more than 250% over the federal poverty level.
A company that has 20,000 worldwide with only say 200 inside the US would see substantially less.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
22. Corporate Monopolies are the enemy of democracy
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:44 PM
Feb 2022

We should tax the hell out of them and support small business, regional distributors and the family farm.

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