Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:44 PM
Polybius (10,123 posts)
Manchin wants Sinema to take a fresh look at tax rate hikes on corporations and the rich, but she's
Source: Business Insider
Manchin wants Sinema to take a fresh look at tax rate hikes on corporations and the rich, but she's not budging Sen. Joe Manchin is starting to turn up the heat on another Democratic holdout with competing demands on President Joe Biden's spending bill. The conservative West Virginia Democrat has ramped up calls this month to step up taxes on the richest Americans and large firms. But he's likely to encounter resistance from Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, who shut the door on hiking tax rates on both of those groups last fall. "I respect her and what her concerns may be, but I think basically our financial situation is getting worse, not better, so maybe we can take another look at it," Manchin told The Wall Street Journal. "I would hope so." "Why can't we just get a good solid tax plan that works? That's the first thing to do." he told the Journal. Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/manchin-sinema-to-budge-tax-rate-hikes-corporations-rich-2022-2
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Polybius | Feb 2022 | OP |
LastLiberal in PalmSprings | Feb 2022 | #1 | |
DownriverDem | Feb 2022 | #2 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Feb 2022 | #3 | |
PoliticAverse | Feb 2022 | #7 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Feb 2022 | #8 | |
brush | Feb 2022 | #12 | |
Claustrum | Feb 2022 | #16 | |
PoliticAverse | Feb 2022 | #17 | |
KPN | Feb 2022 | #4 | |
brush | Feb 2022 | #13 | |
LenaBaby61 | Feb 2022 | #33 | |
CentralMass | Feb 2022 | #15 | |
KPN | Feb 2022 | #20 | |
Polybius | Feb 2022 | #23 | |
Walleye | Feb 2022 | #5 | |
Harker | Feb 2022 | #27 | |
Walleye | Feb 2022 | #28 | |
Harker | Feb 2022 | #30 | |
Walleye | Feb 2022 | #31 | |
Faux pas | Feb 2022 | #6 | |
bucolic_frolic | Feb 2022 | #9 | |
GB_RN | Feb 2022 | #14 | |
TheBlackAdder | Feb 2022 | #10 | |
PoliticAverse | Feb 2022 | #18 | |
dchill | Feb 2022 | #26 | |
Emile | Feb 2022 | #36 | |
CentralMass | Feb 2022 | #11 | |
bluestarone | Feb 2022 | #19 | |
Walleye | Feb 2022 | #29 | |
LenaBaby61 | Feb 2022 | #34 | |
LenaBaby61 | Feb 2022 | #35 | |
cstanleytech | Feb 2022 | #21 | |
BlueIdaho | Feb 2022 | #22 | |
ificandream | Feb 2022 | #24 | |
dchill | Feb 2022 | #25 | |
wackadoo wabbit | Feb 2022 | #32 |
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:46 PM
LastLiberal in PalmSprings (12,157 posts)
1. Welcome to our world, Joe. n/t
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:46 PM
DownriverDem (5,520 posts)
2. Boy
No wonder Arizona hates that she is their senator.
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Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:49 PM
Fiendish Thingy (10,236 posts)
3. Make.Her.Vote.
Stop with the negotiations. Let Manchin craft a bill that the rest of the Dems support, then force Sinema to be the sole Dem No vote.
She doesn’t have the guts. |
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #3)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:56 PM
PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)
7. Are you really sure she wouldn't love to be placed in such a position - with all the inherent
attention?
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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #7)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:00 PM
Fiendish Thingy (10,236 posts)
8. If she's going to block the bill anyway, force her to go on the record, and seal her doom.
Her primary opponent can make the vote a focal point of their campaign.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #8)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:07 PM
brush (43,092 posts)
12. Absolutely.
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #8)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:14 PM
Claustrum (3,567 posts)
16. I think she is doomed either way.
She lost way too many democratic votes to ever get elected again, even before she go on the record for this bill.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #8)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:14 PM
PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)
17. I don't think she'll be running in the Democratic senate primary in 2024. n/t
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:50 PM
KPN (13,887 posts)
4. Wonder what got to Joe? Can't imagine he's doing this based on principle. Perhaps I'm wrong,
but where were those principles last fall during the push for BBB?
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Response to KPN (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:10 PM
brush (43,092 posts)
13. Good question. But not to worry, when his corporate backers...
call him, he'll change his tune about raising taxes on the rich. He likes to tease and seem reasonable before he moves the goal posts once again.
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Response to KPN (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:13 PM
CentralMass (13,231 posts)
15. He can afford to put on show for something that's not going to happem
Response to CentralMass (Reply #15)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:33 PM
KPN (13,887 posts)
20. Bingo -- you win!
ps -- Always nice to see another one-time MA native here on DU.
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Response to KPN (Reply #4)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 03:04 PM
Polybius (10,123 posts)
23. I think his views might actually be honest
He's a conservative Democrat, but is with us on most things. Just my guess though.
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Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:50 PM
Walleye (16,808 posts)
5. Can't we get any leverage over her? Must be something she wants, or something doesn't want revealed
Response to Walleye (Reply #5)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 03:45 PM
Harker (10,947 posts)
27. A big gift certificate for her local thrift store, maybe?
Given that she's teaching college students the art of fundraising, I think I know what motivates her.
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Response to Harker (Reply #27)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 04:23 PM
Walleye (16,808 posts)
28. Lust for power is killing our country
Response to Walleye (Reply #28)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 04:55 PM
Harker (10,947 posts)
30. It is...
as is the growing disdain for sharing it, and for using it for our collective well being.
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Response to Harker (Reply #30)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 04:58 PM
Walleye (16,808 posts)
31. They're worried sick that anything they do might help Black people and immigrants
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 01:53 PM
Faux pas (12,712 posts)
6. I
don't trust or believe old joe. Trying to seem like he actually cares is my take.
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Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:02 PM
bucolic_frolic (33,286 posts)
9. She worried about upscale retiree vote in AZ
Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #9)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:12 PM
GB_RN (1,563 posts)
14. You Mean All That Oil Tycoon Money She's Obtained...
Recently? She’s gotten a shitload of money from energy sector and other GOPQ donors in the last couple of quarters, most of it from Texas. IIRC, he’s had a couple of fundraisers with Senator John Cornhole (R-Scumbag) from Texas, as well.
The flip side of that coin is, her small donor money has dried up. There are only so many rich people who can donate the max, but you can keep hitting up small donors as there are lots more of them. So her fundraising is going to hit a ceiling. |
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:05 PM
TheBlackAdder (24,097 posts)
10. Is this Good Cop, Bad Cop?
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I've seen this waltz before. . |
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:15 PM
PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)
18. These 2 could be a tag-team in the WWE. n/t
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 03:35 PM
dchill (32,640 posts)
26. Bad cop, worse cop?
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #10)
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 07:24 AM
Emile (6,744 posts)
36. That's exactly what this is! The two of them
are making us out to be as stupid as the Republican voters.
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Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:07 PM
CentralMass (13,231 posts)
11. An out for Manchin so he can blame someone else ?
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:29 PM
bluestarone (13,743 posts)
19. Maybe this route could pull a RETHUGLICON into the picture?
Won't need Sinema. I don't like it BUT we DO need to get something done before election. (time to ACCEPT this i guess)
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Response to bluestarone (Reply #19)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 04:24 PM
Walleye (16,808 posts)
29. On a tax bill?. Never going to happen.
Republicans hate taxes. Because taxes support the United States. And they hate the United States
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Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:39 PM
cstanleytech (23,990 posts)
21. Large corporations should be taxed 90% however the high total % of employee they have here in the
US that earn more than +250% above the federal poverty level the lower their rate and the effective tax rate for some can and should fall to 0% but only under certain conditions.
For example a company that has 20,000 employees (temp, contract workers and people employed by a franchise count as employees) worldwide with 90% of them located and working inside the US can go to zero if 95% of all of those employees earn more than 250% over the federal poverty level. A company that has 20,000 worldwide with only say 200 inside the US would see substantially less. |
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 02:44 PM
BlueIdaho (12,219 posts)
22. Corporate Monopolies are the enemy of democracy
We should tax the hell out of them and support small business, regional distributors and the family farm.
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Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 03:26 PM
ificandream (2,546 posts)
24. A look at some of Synema's contributors ... surprise, surprise, surprise.
Response to Polybius (Original post)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 03:34 PM
dchill (32,640 posts)
25. "..I respect her and what her concerns may be..."
You're all alone, buddy.
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Response to dchill (Reply #25)
Mon Feb 14, 2022, 08:31 PM
wackadoo wabbit (919 posts)