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Omaha Steve

(99,632 posts)
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:04 AM Feb 2022

EU chief: Russia could be cut off from markets, tech goods

Source: AP

By KARL RITTER and GEIR MOULSON

MUNICH (AP) — Moscow would have its access to financial markets and high-tech goods limited under Western sanctions being prepared in case Russia attacks Ukraine, one of the European Union’s top officials said Saturday.

The comments from Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the EU’s executive commission, came as tensions over Russia’s intentions toward Ukraine intensified. U.S. President Joe Biden said Friday he was convinced” Russian President Vladimir Putin has decided to invade the neighboring country.

“The Kremlin’s dangerous thinking, which comes straight out of a dark past, may cost Russia a prosperous future,” von der Leyen said Saturday during the annual Munich Security Conference, where U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris also spoke.

Von der Leyen said the EU’s executive arm has developed a “robust and comprehensive package” of financial sanctions with the U.S., U.K. and Canada.



European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen speaks at the Munich Security Conference in Munich, Germany, Saturday, Feb. 19, 2022. (AP Photo/Michael Probst)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-business-munich-ursula-von-der-leyen-2c6fecfb1212c65338547bff96029f96

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EU chief: Russia could be cut off from markets, tech goods (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2022 OP
Putin is one of the richest men in the world. Does he care if he hurts the Russian people? Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #1
No and once the gas stops going to europe, I'm not sure they'll have jimfields33 Feb 2022 #3
So Putin is holding a lot of cards. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #5
Biden has already talked about redirecting US LNG to Germany. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #6
Putin has cards he has not played yet. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #11
Both sides of the conflict have cards that they have yet to play. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2022 #18
They don't get all their nat gas from Russia... paleotn Feb 2022 #9
So was Louise XVI paleotn Feb 2022 #7
No sign yet the Russian people are dusting off the guillotines. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #12
Few signs before the Soviet Union imploded... paleotn Feb 2022 #16
Yes but he is an evil, ruthless, diabolical genius. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #17
Yes, because it weakens him and he will end up with a bullet in his head in a ditch...I am sure Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #13
He has one of the world's best security teams. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #14
Putin is a high functioning narcissist and sociopath. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #15
Russia may have oil and natural gas, but no overall economy to speak of. ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2022 #2
The Russian people need to step up and oust Putin, HOW? SayItLoud Feb 2022 #4
Cut them off of the SWIFT international money transfer system. BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #8
Simply put, Putin's hand is really just crap, built on bluff. paleotn Feb 2022 #10

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
1. Putin is one of the richest men in the world. Does he care if he hurts the Russian people?
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:12 AM
Feb 2022

No one in the US seems to care that the GOP Covid policy killed many Americans.

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
6. Biden has already talked about redirecting US LNG to Germany.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:56 AM
Feb 2022

The potential loss of Russian gas may also help EU nations decide to accelerate their efforts to develop alternative energy sources. Russia has a small economy, about the size of New York state, and it would suffer economically with the loss of gas exports.

Putin may have convinced himself through his ability to help get Trump in the White House and then Trump’s constant praise that he had more power than he actually does. Yes, he’s sitting on a nuclear arsenal, but using it leads to mutually assured destruction—not his goal. Who knows what his goal is, but he seems to be risking a lot with not just US sanctions but EU sanctions as well. He can still do business with China, but it is the much bigger markets and the financial systems of the West that will be closed to him.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
18. Both sides of the conflict have cards that they have yet to play.
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 02:05 AM
Feb 2022

Biden intentionally doesn't talk about them. That's one of the interesting things in recent news.

I'm mainly thinking that Russian cyberattacks are front and center, and that this notion is supposed to evoke fear in US citizens. No one discusses the US' ability to severely interfere with Russian communications systems-- and that's to Biden's advantage.

Reports were printed about a week ago that the Russian military is cutting fiber optic cables in the waters of northern Europe, and that the true reason that ships were "training" in Irish fishing waters a few weeks back was that the fleet was actually monitoring and mapping fiber optic trans-Atlantic cables. Putin will likely leave the cables alone or face debilitating counter-cyberattacks by US IT officers.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
9. They don't get all their nat gas from Russia...
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:31 PM
Feb 2022

and winter is winding down. Not saying it wouldn't be painful in degrees, but in no way catastrophic. On the same token, Russia won't be benefiting from all that foreign exchange. One of the few things keeping their economy afloat and paying for their bullets.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
12. No sign yet the Russian people are dusting off the guillotines.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:45 PM
Feb 2022

Putin most likely has contingency plans to prevent that from happening.

He is a master at sabotage and manipulation of people. Look at what he has accomplished here in the US with the help of the GOP.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
16. Few signs before the Soviet Union imploded...
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 01:28 PM
Feb 2022

and the Warsaw Pact regimes fell apart. He's certainly not stupid, but not a demigod or super hero either. Just a man, subject the the same hubris and foibles as the rest of us.

He did recognize and exploit the vulnerability in the west caused by social media. That avenue didn't exist 30 years ago when most information dissemination was the realm of professional journalism and not a legion of Jimmy Joe Bobs and their garage built, conspiracy machines all connected. The Russians played on Jimmy Joe Bob's innate racism and poor education to spread chaos. I'll give him a button for that, but he's still not superman. And his nation is still a gas station masquerading as a country, to quote the late John McCain.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
17. Yes but he is an evil, ruthless, diabolical genius.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 02:10 PM
Feb 2022

Who has played the West like a fiddle.

It was like stealing candy from a baby for him.

I am not counting him out yet.

And it is certain he has several escape plans in mind if it comes to that.

I also believe he has some other cards to play yet.

We underestimate him at our own peril.
Just like we underestimate Beijing.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
13. Yes, because it weakens him and he will end up with a bullet in his head in a ditch...I am sure
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:50 PM
Feb 2022

he has many enemies and rivals.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
14. He has one of the world's best security teams.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022

Secure bunkers all over the world.

And an excellent set of escape plans.

He is KGB to the core and has thought all of this through.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
15. Putin is a high functioning narcissist and sociopath.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:58 PM
Feb 2022

If we could interview him, he would say that he can do just about anything and get away with it.

Which is based in fact.

Edit to add: Cornered sociopaths become very dangerous.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
2. Russia may have oil and natural gas, but no overall economy to speak of.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:14 AM
Feb 2022

With the US at the lead, Russia would surely be cut off economically with any financial assets outside of Russia frozen. Can't do business without Rubles.

Not to mention the expulsion of Diplomats, closing of Russian compounds around the world, and so on. It may play a round of hardball for the time being, but be damaged more by the court of World opinion as an AGGRESSOR seeking the reforming of the old Soviet Union.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
4. The Russian people need to step up and oust Putin, HOW?
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 11:23 AM
Feb 2022

If he invades Ukraine there needs to be a full stop of everything Russia. Yes, the West will suffer but full stop is needed.

For those who say "but the Russian people will suffer", yes they will but not nearly as much as the Ukrainian people.

The buck stops with the aggressor and those who can affect the aggressor.

It's costing the West billions of $ every time Putin takes these aggressive actions. Nothing of consequence was done when he took Crimea and that was a big mistake on the EU and our part.

Don't let it happen again.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
8. Cut them off of the SWIFT international money transfer system.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:31 PM
Feb 2022

No money in, no money out. Let them choke on those rubles.

paleotn

(17,913 posts)
10. Simply put, Putin's hand is really just crap, built on bluff.
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:34 PM
Feb 2022

He needs the industrialized west and east far more than we need Russia.

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