2 Prosecutors Leading N.Y. Trump Inquiry Resign, Clouding Case's Future
Source: New York Times
The prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, submitted their resignations after the new Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, indicated to them that he had doubts about moving forward with a case against Mr. Trump, the people said.
Mr. Pomerantz confirmed in a brief interview that he had resigned, but declined to elaborate. Mr. Dunne declined to comment.
Without Mr. Braggs commitment to move forward, the prosecutors late last month postponed a plan to question at least one witness before the grand jury, one of the people said. They have not questioned any witnesses in front of the grand jury for more than a month, essentially pausing their investigation into whether Mr. Trump inflated the value of his assets to obtain favorable loan terms from banks.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/nyregion/trump-ny-fraud-investigation.html
I wonder if someone got to Alvin Bragg.
Lonestarblue
(13,199 posts)moniss
(8,638 posts)what is going on here. Alvin wants a payday.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)If movie stars can bend the college admissions envelope, why not attorneys also?
essaynnc
(968 posts)Were they threatened? Bribed? It would only take a million or two to buy off a prosecutor or purchase a hit man. This sucks. We need details.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)Likely threats against their families, or maybe they just finally threw in the towel, knowing no matter what they accomplished justice will never come to any of these members of the Trump CABAL......
Either way, I can't blame them one bit..........
MyOwnPeace
(17,440 posts)THEY are making a statement because the 'new boss' isn't so sure they can make a case.
So, what's holding HIM back?
Maybe a nice place to 'winter' on an island?
Maybe a 'visit' from someone who knows someone who knows someone?
BlueTsunami2018
(4,829 posts)My faith in the justice system, never very strong to begin with, is completely gone.
These motherfuckers never pay the piper.
Runningdawg
(4,660 posts)sop
(17,308 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)SergeStorms
(19,916 posts)The AG from New York State. She's going full throttle after the Big Orange Pig, but that's a civil case, not criminal. I hope she ruins him.
Bev54
(13,158 posts)SergeStorms
(19,916 posts)The Manhattan DA was in charge of the criminal investigation, and it doesn't look as if that's going forward anymore.
The best we can hope for is for Ms. James to ruin him financially.
At least in this case. There are other criminal investigations taking place that might take the Big Orange Pig's freedom away from him. Let's hope, anyway.
Calista241
(5,633 posts)isn't great for the civil investigation.
SergeStorms
(19,916 posts)Like any other investigation where both civil and criminal charges could be made, the civil case is easier to prove. In the criminal case you have to prove intent. Trump never leaves an electronic or paper trail. He doesn't use email, and he flushes any paper. Really.
So the civil case is easier to prove, and I think Letitia James has Trump covered. I hope she ruins him financially.
Calista241
(5,633 posts)What's she's accused Trump of in her filings is clearly financial fraud.
He's manipulated the values of properties based upon what brings him the most benefit. The IRS got a lower value than insurance companies, or banks that provided loans based upon the value of those assets. This brought an unearned benefit of paying lower taxes than what was legally required. i.e Tax fraud.
Trump's lawyers are going to be able to say that he hasn't been charged in a crime. A reasonable, non partisan juror is going to want to know why he hasn't been charged with a crime, when what they're trying to civilly sue him for is clearly against the law.
I hope you're correct, and that I'm wrong, but nothing seems to stick to that jackass.
uponit7771
(93,469 posts)DanieRains
(4,619 posts)Now would we....
My guess.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)winstars
(4,276 posts)Thanks!
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)Martin68
(26,958 posts)the conspiracy theorists who preceded him.
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)"This story about the Manhattan DA supposedly having doubts about the Trump case, sounds like it was planted by Trumps people. Yes, two members of the DAs team have resigned, but three can be a lot of reasons for that. This NY Times reporting just doesnt hold water."
FBaggins
(28,615 posts)And... since it's the Palmer Report... that isn't a surprise.
Basically his site's raison d'etre
Ninga
(8,979 posts)Supposedly one of them is as a mob whisper
KPN
(17,124 posts)quite reasonable that folks might wonder aloud what is behind this and speculate on that question. As Im sure you would know and agree, there is a lot of pent up desire to see some measure of accountability for what most Democrats at least would agree is a long history of apparently if not transparent fraud, corruption and crime by TFG and the trump organization especially given TFGs overall presidential record and impact.
Frankly, your post seems off-base and uncalled for as well as a bit high-horse-ish.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)If not a CT then it is pure slander.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Mysterian
(6,151 posts)They are all saints appointed by Jesus himself.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)We lived through six years of baseless conspiracy theories. Not a big fan.
KPN
(17,124 posts)accusation. You said all 6 of the first posts before yours spouted conspiracy theories. . That aside, you miss my point.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)"Alvin wants a payday."
"Were they threatened? Bribed? It would only take a million or two to buy off a prosecutor or purchase a hit man."
"Wouldn't Want Nuthin Bad Ta Happen To Yer Nice Little Family"
IronLionZion
(50,744 posts)SergeStorms
(19,916 posts)I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Trump is sworn in as president any day now, attended by JFK Jr., Roy Cohn, and Chef Boyardee. 😉
Ameri Canadian
(37 posts)I no longer click on stories or videos with titles suggesting the fucking traitor is "on the verge" of any serious consequences.
dem4decades
(13,603 posts)Just kidding.
sop
(17,308 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,566 posts)Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove etc etc etc...they were all on the verge of going down at one time or other. Sure was fun passing out those gifs of KKKarl Rove in handcuffs.
I think many Americans want to believe, like the poster from the X-Files, that there truly can be justice for those who are at the top of, or connected to, the political chain of power.
The only way a case against Trump is ever concluded, and any kind of true justice handed out to him, will be because of some dumb smoking gun he left out on the coffee table. After he actually went out and shot someone on 5th Avenue with multiple witnesses. Even then, I'm not convinced he'd get anything more than a slap on the wrist.
Liberals have to move on. We won't get justice at high levels like this. We need to use what is out there. Social media etc. We need to work at grass roots levels more to educate the voting public.
I really think, and this may be controversial here, that the Democratic party should not be so resistant to younger, more social media savvy, energetic, progressive voices to take charge of the party. Give it a facelift. Be the first party to embrace the new generation.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)From New York Magazine, July 5, 2021:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/next-manhattan-d-a-alvin-bragg-on-prosecuting-trump.html
I think thats an important question. My strong default on long-term, complex investigations is to keep the continuity, keep teams intact that have been working on complex long-term investigations. Some of that speaks upon knowing some of the people on the team by reputation. A lot of its based upon my prior experience of joining complex matters so Ive got a lot of experience kind of getting up to speed on complex investigations, particularly white-collar investigations.
And then also overseeing becoming a manager in the middle. Particularly in complex matters, theres a history and understanding of the evidence that you want to retain, as a general matter, so I dont see any reason why that would be different here. Frankly, given the length of this investigation, the nature of it, my default is even stronger, but you want to keep this team intact.
When you take office, you dont plan any major shake-ups of the team?
No. My default is to keep the team intact. Some of the best advice I got as a very junior lawyer was, Whenever you get a new matter, dont learn it piecemeal learn it. So obviously, therell be a lot of matters I need to get up to speed on and will be doing that. Were talking about this specific charged case. We dont know what exactly the posture of this overall investigation will be in January. It could be multiple cases by that time; on the other extreme, this case could be resolved. I dont think this case will be resolved by January, so well kind of see where we are.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)convicting him.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)..."we know there'll be a Trump supporter on the Jury".
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)This is the MANHATTAN DA. The pool of jurors supporting Trump would be vanishingly small.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...rather than jump to "the DEMOCRATIC District Attorney is corrupt" or "the DA is a coward being threatened".
BumRushDaShow
(165,261 posts)(and you have to really go scrolling down to get to it)
By William K. Rashbaum, Ben Protess, Jonah E. Bromwich, Kate Christobek and Nate Schweber
Feb. 23, 2022Updated 2:50 p.m. ET
(snip)
The pause coincides with an escalation in the activity of a parallel civil inquiry by the New York state attorney general, Letitia James, whose office is examining some of the same conduct by Mr. Trump. Ms. James, who last week received approval from a judge to question Mr. Trump and two of his adult children under oath, has filed court documents describing a number of ways in which the Trump Organization appeared to have misrepresented the value of its properties.
She concluded that the company had engaged in fraudulent or misleading practices, and although she lacks the authority to criminally charge Mr. Trump, she could sue him. Mr. Braggs office must meet a higher bar to bring a criminal case and has encountered a number of challenges in pursuing Mr. Trump, including its inability thus far to persuade any Trump Organization executives to cooperate.
Mr. Trump has disputed the notion that he inflated his property values or defrauded his lenders, and has accused Mr. Bragg and Ms. James, both Democrats who are Black, of being politically motivated and racists. As Mr. Braggs grand jury presentation has come to a halt, another serious criminal inquiry into the former president has been gaining steam. In recent weeks, a district attorney in Atlanta asked a judge to convene a grand jury for an investigation into Mr. Trumps attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.
Another criminal investigation, in New Yorks Westchester County, is examining Mr. Trumps financial dealings at one of his companys golf courses. The Manhattan investigation, which proceeded in fits and starts for years, was the most developed of the three criminal inquiries into Mr. Trump. It resulted in the indictments last summer of The Trump Organization and its long-serving chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, on separate tax-related charges.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/nyregion/trump-ny-fraud-investigation.html
So you have a pile of overlapping cases and the potential to step on toes and I think the credos of prosecutors also applies - to go with what is the strongest case (and probably the easiest). The borough's case has a higher standard and requires witnesses who are willing to testify (which they have been unable to get) and the state is limited on what can be done as they are doing it as a civil case (which probably has a lower standard and thus a bit easier as a low-hanging fruit type thing).
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)I want to hear it from him and not from Bragg that he doesn't have a case.
Literal opinion, not fact.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)turbinetree
(26,934 posts)and Alvin Bragg, has doubts about the case going forward....
The Times, citing people familiar with the matter, reported that Alvin Bragg, the new Manhattan district attorney, has indicated having doubts about continuing to build a case against Trump.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/23/two-top-prosecutors-in-probe-of-trump-org-resign-from-manhattan-das-office.html
SergeStorms
(19,916 posts)is still going strong. Letitia James, the NY Attorney General, still has the Trump crime family firmly in her sights. She's bringing the civil case against Trump, which is easier to prove than the criminal case. Proving Trump's intent to defraud is much harder, considering no one will testify against him, and he never leaves an electronic or paper trail.
Gee, it almost as if he's a professional criminal taking steps to reduce the amount of evidence that can be used against him. 🤔 Ya' think?
Hopefully Ms. James will ruin the Big Orange Pig financially. That's the best we can hope for regarding his New York crimes.
turbinetree
(26,934 posts)SergeStorms
(19,916 posts)We have to look for victories wherever we find them. We still have the Georgia and January 6 investigations, and probably a few more out there I've forgotten about. THERE'S JUST SO MANY!
Wuddles440
(1,954 posts)has probably already started in Mar-a-Lago, and the reich wing media machine will be gleefully running in overdrive with this news nugget (i.e. turd).
dem4decades
(13,603 posts)investigation at DOJ. Mueller, Manhattan DA, Russian money laundering, DOJ, just add in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and you have the whole picture.
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)bucolic_frolic
(53,841 posts)I always doubted they could separate the good guys from the bad guys.
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JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(105,496 posts)Looking at older new items, I can't find it.
It looks like Bragg started on Jan 1st, took a look at the Trump case, and suspended it, without saying anything publicly. And now two of his assistants have resigned in protest.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)gab13by13
(31,074 posts)I know that Mark Pomerantz is one sharp financial prosecutor. I want to hear it from him that there isn't a case.
Losing Pomerantz ends the case, unless the Kraken is available.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)hamsterjill
(16,922 posts)Well, there shouldnt be a next time.
Trump? Putin? Threatened the families?
If thats a conspiracy theory, then whats the explanation for the resignations?
Runningdawg
(4,660 posts)We were led to believe, the only thing the NY DA was waiting on was Trump to leave office. The paperwork was finished, it just had to be filed. Don't forget, NYC has a long history of dealing with the Trump family it didn't start in 2016 and they have done NOTHING.
Mr. Ected
(9,713 posts)On the civil side?
It seemed the evidence was beginning to pile up; now there's not enough to warrant a grand jury investigation?
WTH?
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)blm
(114,415 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Bragg has said he would not prosecute lessor crimes, and his office announced they
would seek lesser charges for burglaries and store robberies where the offender "displays a dangerous instrument but does not create a genuine risk of physical harm."
While this isnt the same type of crime, it does demonstrate an attitude about choosing what he personally feels he should prosecute, regardless what the law says
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,953 posts)DAs make decisions every day that a case is not going to be worth going to trial. If that was the only reason they bailed DAs offices would be turnstiles for attys. WTF.
dem4decades
(13,603 posts)Just business.
Scrivener7
(58,164 posts)stopdiggin
(14,944 posts)that this investigation is covering a lot of the same ground that the state's case is? And in a format (criminal), in which observers argue might be more difficult to obtain a conviction?
Ms. James, who last week received approval from a judge to question Mr. Trump and two of his adult children under oath, has filed court documents describing a number of ways in which the Trump Organization appeared to have misrepresented the value of its properties.
She concluded that the company had engaged in fraudulent or misleading practices, and although she lacks the authority to criminally charge Mr. Trump, she could sue him.
Mr. Braggs office must meet a higher bar to bring a criminal case and has encountered a number of challenges in pursuing Mr. Trump, including its inability thus far to persuade any Trump Organization executives to cooperate.
Mr. Trump has disputed the notion that he inflated his property values or defrauded his lenders, and has accused Mr. Bragg and Ms. James, both Democrats who are Black, of being politically motivated and racists.
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)stopdiggin
(14,944 posts)that's completely overstating the case. And by many accounts their 'reports' would have very little impact on any sort of legal claims in any event.
But given what it called the totality of circumstances including its internal investigation and Ms. Jamess court papers Mazars instructed the company to notify anyone who had received the statements that they should not be relied upon.
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)I want to hear from Pomerantz.
dem4decades
(13,603 posts)been silent, that poor woman in Georgia has called for protection, Trump is the true Teflon Don, time to turn the TV off and enjoy life.
Bev54
(13,158 posts)yaesu
(8,902 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,436 posts)that Trump will face any kind of punishment is totally justified.
There are often posts here shouting that THIS IS IT!! TRUMP IS GOING DOWN!! and often when I offer some doubt, I'll get smacked down by others who think I just need to have a bit more faith in the system.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts) The Bragg spokeswoman, Danielle Filson, confirmed the attorneys had left but declined to say why. She said the investigation into Trump and his business practices "is ongoing.
The lawyers resignations were first reported by the New York Times.
A person briefed on the criminal probe, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal information, said Bragg has signaled to others he is less interested in the case than was his predecessor, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., whose term ended at the end of 2021.
New York Attorney General Letitia James, who has an active, parallel civil probe into Trumps business practices, may proceed alone with a civil lawsuit, the person added.
But Jamess office also has partnered with Bragg in the criminal investigation. On Wednesday, her spokeswoman, Delaney Kempner, said the criminal inquiry is ongoing and there is a robust team in place that is working on it."
The person briefed on the case said Jamess office had hoped Bragg and his team would be more aggressive than Vance and has been disappointed with his lack of interest.
Pomerantz, a former federal prosecutor, was working on the case against the former president without taking a salary. Dunne, who could not immediately be reached for comment, served as Vances general counsel.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/23/prosecutors-resign-trump-criminal-investigation/
Scrivener7
(58,164 posts)So that's pretty monstrously disinterested.
RevBrotherThomas
(856 posts)Anyone who thinks Donald Trump will spend even a day in jail is fooling themselves. His ocean of lawyers will continue their delaying and racketeering tactics until that blessed day he dies.
The best we can hope for is one of his idiot spawn getting locked up. Someday.
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,713 posts)As the President of the United States of America. That to me is the be all, end all.
His crimes as a businessman do not affect me and are indicative of corruption in business that runs rampant in this country and most others. Sure, he deserves to be punished for those transgressions too, but bring me the head of Donald J. Trump as a result of election frauds in 2016 and 2020 and his role in J6 and I will consider it the most satisfying end to the most egregious mistake ever made.
Scrivener7
(58,164 posts)Valuations that differ wildly on the same property. This is not a complicated thing. You would be either fined or jailed for such a fraud in the blink of an eye.
So when his crimes are this cut and dried and they walk away from prosecution, do you really seriously think they are going to go after him for election fraud?
I really hope you are not holding your breath.
Personally, I don't give a shit what they get him for. I just want SOMEONE to get him for SOMETHING. Take your pick. There are thousands of crimes to choose from!
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)If they are still sitting, then it's not over.
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)gab13by13
(31,074 posts)Dan Goldman said there is only one explanation for the 2 prosecutors to resign, they wanted to pursue the case and Alvin Bragg didn't.
Goldman said if they all agreed there was no case there would be no resignations.
The fucking prosecutors wasted their time, and Pomerantz even came on board to go over all of the financial documents and worked without being paid.
Go get him letitia, fuck you Alvin Bragg.
MyOwnPeace
(17,440 posts)but that's MY read too!
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)they was hired specifically for trump case ? when your done - you resign & draw your last pay check !
krkaufman
(13,957 posts)Cyrus Vance, Jr., dropped charges against the children and now the subsequent DA likely to do the same. Really kills trust in the system.
atreides1
(16,799 posts)Vance did the same thing...didn't support his own people...and they had more then enough evidence to lock them both up!
Now it seems that Bragg is doing the Cyrus Vance dance...
Scrivener7
(58,164 posts)to high heaven.
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)A friend of mine actually got death threats. They wanted to strip coal on our pristine watershed and build a coal cleaning plant in a flood plain. To be honest, I spent many sleepless nights, but I didn't back down and did what was right. The pressure at the federal level must be pretty extreme. I mean, Alvin is the new guy on the scene and he has 2 fantastic prosecutors wanting to go forward, what other explanation can there be? He was threatened.
Scrivener7
(58,164 posts)with this disgusting man. He has NEVER done anything honestly or ethically, and he has NEVER faced ANY consequences.
AND he's dumber than a mud fence! HOW does this happen??
I am so tired of this.
gab13by13
(31,074 posts)questioning what went on. Maybe ole Alvin has skeletons in his closet?
orangecrush
(28,131 posts)tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)gab13by13
(31,074 posts)and Dan Goldman said there can only be one explanation. The prosecutors wanted to prosecute but the DA didn't. There can be no other explanation.
dem4decades
(13,603 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)uponit7771
(93,469 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Scrivener7
(58,164 posts)MichMan
(16,560 posts)housecat
(3,138 posts)Where is their protection?
SayItLoud
(1,771 posts)gab13by13
(31,074 posts)atreides1
(16,799 posts)Bragg got a payday...