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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 02:59 PM Feb 2022

2 Prosecutors Leading N.Y. Trump Inquiry Resign, Clouding Case's Future

Source: New York Times

The two prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his business practices abruptly resigned on Wednesday amid a monthlong pause in their presentation of evidence to a grand jury, according to people with knowledge of the matter, throwing the future of the high-stakes inquiry into serious doubt.

The prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, submitted their resignations after the new Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, indicated to them that he had doubts about moving forward with a case against Mr. Trump, the people said.

Mr. Pomerantz confirmed in a brief interview that he had resigned, but declined to elaborate. Mr. Dunne declined to comment.

Without Mr. Bragg’s commitment to move forward, the prosecutors late last month postponed a plan to question at least one witness before the grand jury, one of the people said. They have not questioned any witnesses in front of the grand jury for more than a month, essentially pausing their investigation into whether Mr. Trump inflated the value of his assets to obtain favorable loan terms from banks.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/nyregion/trump-ny-fraud-investigation.html
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2 Prosecutors Leading N.Y. Trump Inquiry Resign, Clouding Case's Future (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2022 OP
Trump rso Feb 2022 #1
My first thought, too. Trump has always been reputed to have Russian mafia friends. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #68
Obvious moniss Feb 2022 #2
Maybe guaranteed admissions to nice colleges? nitpicker Feb 2022 #12
WTF??? essaynnc Feb 2022 #3
Agreed DENVERPOPS Feb 2022 #65
My early take is...... MyOwnPeace Feb 2022 #82
He's going to get away with everything. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2022 #4
My thoughts exactly. Runningdawg Feb 2022 #5
I've thought so all along. sop Feb 2022 #56
That's four of us. blueinredohio Feb 2022 #57
Five dixiechiken1 Feb 2022 #75
He's not getting away from Letitia James. SergeStorms Feb 2022 #59
Can she also charge criminal charges if Bragg doesn't? Bev54 Feb 2022 #69
No, unfortunately. SergeStorms Feb 2022 #79
The fact that the Manhattan DA isn't going to pursue a criminal case against him Calista241 Feb 2022 #87
Not at all. SergeStorms Feb 2022 #92
While you are correct. Calista241 Feb 2022 #99
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2022 #102
Wouldn't Want Nuthin Bad Ta Happen To Yer Nice Little Family DanieRains Feb 2022 #6
Wow, 6 conspiracy theories in 6 responses. I think that's a new record. brooklynite Feb 2022 #7
So then whats the actual reason/not conspiracy theory then??? You're plugged in... winstars Feb 2022 #8
I'm plugged in to a municipal criminal justice office? brooklynite Feb 2022 #19
Notice that he couldn't be bothered to answer your question. tenderfoot Feb 2022 #32
Notice that he isn't stupid enough to speculate about something he knows nothing about - unlike Martin68 Feb 2022 #73
Here's something I saw floating about: tenderfoot Feb 2022 #76
Proving the source IS "stupid enough to speculate about something he knows nothing about" FBaggins Feb 2022 #114
Depressed, discouraged, disheartened, that's why. Ninga Feb 2022 #9
I don't know that anyone stated a conspiracy theory. It seems KPN Feb 2022 #48
Calling people "bought off" without a particle of evidence is a CT. former9thward Feb 2022 #50
You're saying its reasonable to accuse the Manhattan DA of corruption? brooklynite Feb 2022 #54
Heaven forbid anyone thinking a district attorney could be corrupt! Mysterian Feb 2022 #64
So the. It'll be easy to provide evidence... brooklynite Feb 2022 #86
One poster said anything that might be construed as an KPN Feb 2022 #101
"I wonder if someone got to Alvin Bragg." brooklynite Feb 2022 #111
That proves Q is involved here IronLionZion Feb 2022 #60
Oh definitely. SergeStorms Feb 2022 #81
Who couldn't see this coming? Ameri Canadian Feb 2022 #10
But Garland is conducting a double-secret investigation that will bring Trump to his knees. dem4decades Feb 2022 #35
I no longer click on stories claiming Matt Gaetz is about to be indicted. sop Feb 2022 #58
"on the verge" posts are just naive. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2022 #91
Bragg on the Trump prosecution... PoliticAverse Feb 2022 #11
Not surprising. Will be costly to try trump and little chance of a jury Hoyt Feb 2022 #13
Please tell me you have a reason for "little chance of a jury convicting him" better than... brooklynite Feb 2022 #20
Fact. And I think the DA knows it. Hoyt Feb 2022 #22
Like there was a Trumper on the Derek Chauvin trial? Or the Travis McMichael trial? brooklynite Feb 2022 #25
So why do you think it looks like they are giving up? Hoyt Feb 2022 #28
I'm willing to say "I don't know" about a story that broke an hour ago... brooklynite Feb 2022 #33
The NYT article has quite a bit in it that suggests the reasons - basically you have this- BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #85
Mark Pomerantz is a sharp financial prosecutor, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #29
Opinion krkaufman Feb 2022 #63
Not if you don't know either. It may well be fact, DA knows he can't convict. Hoyt Feb 2022 #70
Where is the state of NY on this matter, this does not sound right at all.... turbinetree Feb 2022 #14
The New York State investigation.... SergeStorms Feb 2022 #74
Thank you................ turbinetree Feb 2022 #80
No problem. SergeStorms Feb 2022 #89
The party... Wuddles440 Feb 2022 #15
The good news for Federal Prosecutors, they won't have to resign, there never was a Trump dem4decades Feb 2022 #16
Bragg is a coward. ZonkerHarris Feb 2022 #17
So many moving parts across many decades bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Feb 2022 #21
Not good enough. It is the public's right to know why they resigned, and what is going on JohnSJ Feb 2022 #23
Was this "monthlong pause" already public knowledge, or only revealed by these resignations? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2022 #24
Did they resign in protest? Even that isn't clear. JohnSJ Feb 2022 #27
It sounds like that to me, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #34
Yes, that is why the public has a right to know JohnSJ Feb 2022 #41
The next time anyone chastises me for worrying that Trump won't be charged... hamsterjill Feb 2022 #26
THIS 100% Runningdawg Feb 2022 #115
Is this the criminal side of the same investigation that Letitia James is pursuing Mr. Ected Feb 2022 #30
Yes, and they had a grand jury. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #36
Is Alvin Bragg being extorted? Only a crook lets big crooks go free. blm Feb 2022 #31
I don't know, but he has an interesting philosophy JohnSJ Feb 2022 #46
The Mazar accountant even flipped, WTF. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #37
Hmm, so if this was just a dud case and had little chance of success why did the prosecutors resign? Thomas Hurt Feb 2022 #38
I guess Trump is just another businessman doing business in New York, there are no crimes. dem4decades Feb 2022 #39
"Legitimate financial discourse" is the new phrase we should use when we mean "blatant fraud." Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #104
OR - it just might be stopdiggin Feb 2022 #40
The Mazar accountant flipped. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #43
no. they really didn't stopdiggin Feb 2022 #53
I am going to turn on Nicolle to see if she had time to do a segment on this. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #42
or Ari, he seems to concentrate on the legal things. The DOJ does nothing, Jan 6th Committee has dem4decades Feb 2022 #45
I hope Rachel is back tonight, she is the only one I trust to do a deep dive. Bev54 Feb 2022 #72
Teflon Don is trending on twitter. nt yaesu Feb 2022 #44
Just the most recent example of why my extreme skepticism PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #47
Here are more insights from the Washington Post JohnSJ Feb 2022 #49
So Bragg is less interested than Vance. And all Vance ever did was kick the can down the road. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #90
Unsurprised RevBrotherThomas Feb 2022 #51
Nicolle is going to talk about the resignations. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #52
I want Trump behind bars because he besmirched his oath of office and committed crimes Mr. Ected Feb 2022 #55
They won't even go after him when the crimes are as evident as the nose on your face. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #88
Has the Grand Jury been dissolved? Mr.Bill Feb 2022 #61
I think it is empaneled until April. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #95
There you have it, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #62
I know - it's early in the 'game'.............. MyOwnPeace Feb 2022 #96
might be got everything put in place & service's not required now ! monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #66
First Vance, now Bragg krkaufman Feb 2022 #67
Yep atreides1 Feb 2022 #106
Jesus H. Christ. This is too much. And think it's a conspiracy theory all you like but this stinks Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #71
I had a taste of being threatened when I was on my small town borough council. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #78
Or his palm was greased. I don't know. All I know is that this is what ALWAYS happens Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #83
There are a lot of people more knowledgeable than us, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #97
BULLSHIT orangecrush Feb 2022 #77
Here's a few thoughts to talk people down tenderfoot Feb 2022 #84
The facts are 2 prosecutors abruptly resigned, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #100
Yep. dem4decades Feb 2022 #108
That's what he said. No other explanation. dchill Feb 2022 #112
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2022 #105
Wrote the Palmer Report off long ago. Hoyt Feb 2022 #107
When has the Palmer Report been right? Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #110
I can't believe people use them as a credible source of anything MichMan Feb 2022 #113
so we just roll over again? just let Putin threaten families? housecat Feb 2022 #93
TFG is still Individual1 . Seems easy to indict and convict him for that. NT SayItLoud Feb 2022 #94
Nope, the statute of limitations ran out for that, sorry. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #98
New DA same as the old DA atreides1 Feb 2022 #103
kick Celerity Feb 2022 #109

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
12. Maybe guaranteed admissions to nice colleges?
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:23 PM
Feb 2022

If movie stars can bend the college admissions envelope, why not attorneys also?

essaynnc

(968 posts)
3. WTF???
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:06 PM
Feb 2022

Were they threatened? Bribed? It would only take a million or two to buy off a prosecutor or purchase a hit man. This sucks. We need details.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
65. Agreed
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:02 PM
Feb 2022

Likely threats against their families, or maybe they just finally threw in the towel, knowing no matter what they accomplished justice will never come to any of these members of the Trump CABAL......

Either way, I can't blame them one bit..........

MyOwnPeace

(17,438 posts)
82. My early take is......
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:33 PM
Feb 2022

THEY are making a statement because the 'new boss' isn't so sure they can make a case.
So, what's holding HIM back?
Maybe a nice place to 'winter' on an island?
Maybe a 'visit' from someone who knows someone who knows someone?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,829 posts)
4. He's going to get away with everything.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:07 PM
Feb 2022

My faith in the justice system, never very strong to begin with, is completely gone.

These motherfuckers never pay the piper.

SergeStorms

(19,915 posts)
59. He's not getting away from Letitia James.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:47 PM
Feb 2022

The AG from New York State. She's going full throttle after the Big Orange Pig, but that's a civil case, not criminal. I hope she ruins him.

SergeStorms

(19,915 posts)
79. No, unfortunately.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:28 PM
Feb 2022

The Manhattan DA was in charge of the criminal investigation, and it doesn't look as if that's going forward anymore.

The best we can hope for is for Ms. James to ruin him financially.

At least in this case. There are other criminal investigations taking place that might take the Big Orange Pig's freedom away from him. Let's hope, anyway.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
87. The fact that the Manhattan DA isn't going to pursue a criminal case against him
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:39 PM
Feb 2022

isn't great for the civil investigation.

SergeStorms

(19,915 posts)
92. Not at all.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:47 PM
Feb 2022

Like any other investigation where both civil and criminal charges could be made, the civil case is easier to prove. In the criminal case you have to prove intent. Trump never leaves an electronic or paper trail. He doesn't use email, and he flushes any paper. Really.

So the civil case is easier to prove, and I think Letitia James has Trump covered. I hope she ruins him financially.

Calista241

(5,633 posts)
99. While you are correct.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:56 PM
Feb 2022

What's she's accused Trump of in her filings is clearly financial fraud.

He's manipulated the values of properties based upon what brings him the most benefit. The IRS got a lower value than insurance companies, or banks that provided loans based upon the value of those assets. This brought an unearned benefit of paying lower taxes than what was legally required. i.e Tax fraud.

Trump's lawyers are going to be able to say that he hasn't been charged in a crime. A reasonable, non partisan juror is going to want to know why he hasn't been charged with a crime, when what they're trying to civilly sue him for is clearly against the law.

I hope you're correct, and that I'm wrong, but nothing seems to stick to that jackass.

winstars

(4,276 posts)
8. So then whats the actual reason/not conspiracy theory then??? You're plugged in...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:15 PM
Feb 2022

Thanks!

Martin68

(26,950 posts)
73. Notice that he isn't stupid enough to speculate about something he knows nothing about - unlike
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:22 PM
Feb 2022

the conspiracy theorists who preceded him.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
76. Here's something I saw floating about:
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:26 PM
Feb 2022

"This story about the Manhattan DA supposedly having doubts about the Trump case, sounds like it was planted by Trump’s people. Yes, two members of the DA’s team have resigned, but three can be a lot of reasons for that. This NY Times reporting just doesn’t hold water."



FBaggins

(28,613 posts)
114. Proving the source IS "stupid enough to speculate about something he knows nothing about"
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 09:19 PM
Feb 2022

And... since it's the Palmer Report... that isn't a surprise.

Basically his site's raison d'etre

Ninga

(8,979 posts)
9. Depressed, discouraged, disheartened, that's why.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:17 PM
Feb 2022

Supposedly one of them is as a mob whisper

KPN

(17,124 posts)
48. I don't know that anyone stated a conspiracy theory. It seems
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:16 PM
Feb 2022

quite reasonable that folks might wonder aloud what is behind this and speculate on that question. As I’m sure you would know and agree, there is a lot of pent up desire to see some measure of accountability for what most Democrats at least would agree is a long history of apparently if not transparent fraud, corruption and crime by TFG and the trump organization — especially given TFGs overall “presidential” record and impact.

Frankly, your post seems off-base and uncalled for as well as a bit high-horse-ish.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
50. Calling people "bought off" without a particle of evidence is a CT.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:21 PM
Feb 2022

If not a CT then it is pure slander.

Mysterian

(6,151 posts)
64. Heaven forbid anyone thinking a district attorney could be corrupt!
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:00 PM
Feb 2022

They are all saints appointed by Jesus himself.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
86. So the. It'll be easy to provide evidence...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:37 PM
Feb 2022

We lived through six years of baseless conspiracy theories. Not a big fan.

KPN

(17,124 posts)
101. One poster said anything that might be construed as an
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:04 PM
Feb 2022

accusation. You said all 6 of the first posts before yours spouted conspiracy theories. …. That aside, you miss my point.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
111. "I wonder if someone got to Alvin Bragg."
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 08:02 PM
Feb 2022

"Alvin wants a payday."

"Were they threatened? Bribed? It would only take a million or two to buy off a prosecutor or purchase a hit man."

"Wouldn't Want Nuthin Bad Ta Happen To Yer Nice Little Family"

SergeStorms

(19,915 posts)
81. Oh definitely.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:32 PM
Feb 2022

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Trump is sworn in as president any day now, attended by JFK Jr., Roy Cohn, and Chef Boyardee. 😉

 

Ameri Canadian

(37 posts)
10. Who couldn't see this coming?
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:19 PM
Feb 2022

I no longer click on stories or videos with titles suggesting the fucking traitor is "on the verge" of any serious consequences.

dem4decades

(13,603 posts)
35. But Garland is conducting a double-secret investigation that will bring Trump to his knees.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:05 PM
Feb 2022

Just kidding.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,566 posts)
91. "on the verge" posts are just naive.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:42 PM
Feb 2022

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove etc etc etc...they were all on the verge of going down at one time or other. Sure was fun passing out those gifs of KKKarl Rove in handcuffs.

I think many Americans want to believe, like the poster from the X-Files, that there truly can be justice for those who are at the top of, or connected to, the political chain of power.

The only way a case against Trump is ever concluded, and any kind of true justice handed out to him, will be because of some dumb smoking gun he left out on the coffee table. After he actually went out and shot someone on 5th Avenue with multiple witnesses. Even then, I'm not convinced he'd get anything more than a slap on the wrist.

Liberals have to move on. We won't get justice at high levels like this. We need to use what is out there. Social media etc. We need to work at grass roots levels more to educate the voting public.

I really think, and this may be controversial here, that the Democratic party should not be so resistant to younger, more social media savvy, energetic, progressive voices to take charge of the party. Give it a facelift. Be the first party to embrace the new generation.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
11. Bragg on the Trump prosecution...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:21 PM
Feb 2022

From New York Magazine, July 5, 2021:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/next-manhattan-d-a-alvin-bragg-on-prosecuting-trump.html

And so the Trump investigation. Unless it stops abruptly, your office is going to still be handling this. What are your ideas in terms of continuity with this investigation?

I think that’s an important question. My strong default on long-term, complex investigations is to keep the continuity, keep teams intact that have been working on complex long-term investigations. Some of that speaks upon knowing some of the people on the team by reputation. A lot of it’s based upon my prior experience of joining complex matters … so I’ve got a lot of experience kind of getting up to speed on complex investigations, particularly white-collar investigations.

And then also overseeing — becoming a manager in the middle. Particularly in complex matters, there’s a history and understanding of the evidence that you want to retain, as a general matter, so I don’t see any reason why that would be different here. Frankly, given the length of this investigation, the nature of it, my default is even stronger, but you want to keep this team intact.

When you take office, you don’t plan any major shake-ups of the team?

No. My default is to keep the team intact. Some of the best advice I got as a very junior lawyer was, “Whenever you get a new matter, don’t learn it piecemeal — learn it.” So obviously, there’ll be a lot of matters I need to get up to speed on and will be doing that. We’re talking about this specific charged case. We don’t know what exactly the posture of this overall investigation will be in January. It could be multiple cases by that time; on the other extreme, this case could be resolved. I don’t think this case will be resolved by January, so we’ll kind of see where we are.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Not surprising. Will be costly to try trump and little chance of a jury
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:25 PM
Feb 2022

convicting him.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
20. Please tell me you have a reason for "little chance of a jury convicting him" better than...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:40 PM
Feb 2022

..."we know there'll be a Trump supporter on the Jury".

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
25. Like there was a Trumper on the Derek Chauvin trial? Or the Travis McMichael trial?
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:54 PM
Feb 2022

This is the MANHATTAN DA. The pool of jurors supporting Trump would be vanishingly small.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
33. I'm willing to say "I don't know" about a story that broke an hour ago...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:04 PM
Feb 2022

...rather than jump to "the DEMOCRATIC District Attorney is corrupt" or "the DA is a coward being threatened".

BumRushDaShow

(165,259 posts)
85. The NYT article has quite a bit in it that suggests the reasons - basically you have this-
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:37 PM
Feb 2022

(and you have to really go scrolling down to get to it)

2 Prosecutors Leading N.Y. Trump Inquiry Resign, Clouding Case’s Future

By William K. Rashbaum, Ben Protess, Jonah E. Bromwich, Kate Christobek and Nate Schweber
Feb. 23, 2022Updated 2:50 p.m. ET

(snip)

The pause coincides with an escalation in the activity of a parallel civil inquiry by the New York state attorney general, Letitia James, whose office is examining some of the same conduct by Mr. Trump. Ms. James, who last week received approval from a judge to question Mr. Trump and two of his adult children under oath, has filed court documents describing a number of ways in which the Trump Organization appeared to have misrepresented the value of its properties.

She concluded that the company had engaged in “fraudulent or misleading” practices, and although she lacks the authority to criminally charge Mr. Trump, she could sue him. Mr. Bragg’s office must meet a higher bar to bring a criminal case and has encountered a number of challenges in pursuing Mr. Trump, including its inability thus far to persuade any Trump Organization executives to cooperate.

Mr. Trump has disputed the notion that he inflated his property values or defrauded his lenders, and has accused Mr. Bragg and Ms. James, both Democrats who are Black, of being politically motivated and “racists.” As Mr. Bragg’s grand jury presentation has come to a halt, another serious criminal inquiry into the former president has been gaining steam. In recent weeks, a district attorney in Atlanta asked a judge to convene a grand jury for an investigation into Mr. Trump’s attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.

Another criminal investigation, in New York’s Westchester County, is examining Mr. Trump’s financial dealings at one of his company’s golf courses. The Manhattan investigation, which proceeded in fits and starts for years, was the most developed of the three criminal inquiries into Mr. Trump. It resulted in the indictments last summer of The Trump Organization and its long-serving chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg, on separate tax-related charges.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/nyregion/trump-ny-fraud-investigation.html


So you have a pile of overlapping cases and the potential to step on toes and I think the credos of prosecutors also applies - to go with what is the strongest case (and probably the easiest). The borough's case has a higher standard and requires witnesses who are willing to testify (which they have been unable to get) and the state is limited on what can be done as they are doing it as a civil case (which probably has a lower standard and thus a bit easier as a low-hanging fruit type thing).

gab13by13

(31,071 posts)
29. Mark Pomerantz is a sharp financial prosecutor,
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:03 PM
Feb 2022

I want to hear it from him and not from Bragg that he doesn't have a case.

turbinetree

(26,934 posts)
14. Where is the state of NY on this matter, this does not sound right at all....
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:29 PM
Feb 2022

and Alvin Bragg, has doubts about the case going forward....

The Times, citing people familiar with the matter, reported that Alvin Bragg, the new Manhattan district attorney, has indicated having doubts about continuing to build a case against Trump.


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/23/two-top-prosecutors-in-probe-of-trump-org-resign-from-manhattan-das-office.html

SergeStorms

(19,915 posts)
74. The New York State investigation....
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:23 PM
Feb 2022

is still going strong. Letitia James, the NY Attorney General, still has the Trump crime family firmly in her sights. She's bringing the civil case against Trump, which is easier to prove than the criminal case. Proving Trump's intent to defraud is much harder, considering no one will testify against him, and he never leaves an electronic or paper trail.

Gee, it almost as if he's a professional criminal taking steps to reduce the amount of evidence that can be used against him. 🤔 Ya' think?

Hopefully Ms. James will ruin the Big Orange Pig financially. That's the best we can hope for regarding his New York crimes.

SergeStorms

(19,915 posts)
89. No problem.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:41 PM
Feb 2022

We have to look for victories wherever we find them. We still have the Georgia and January 6 investigations, and probably a few more out there I've forgotten about. THERE'S JUST SO MANY!

Wuddles440

(1,954 posts)
15. The party...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:33 PM
Feb 2022

has probably already started in Mar-a-Lago, and the reich wing media machine will be gleefully running in overdrive with this news nugget (i.e. turd).

dem4decades

(13,603 posts)
16. The good news for Federal Prosecutors, they won't have to resign, there never was a Trump
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:36 PM
Feb 2022

investigation at DOJ. Mueller, Manhattan DA, Russian money laundering, DOJ, just add in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and you have the whole picture.

bucolic_frolic

(53,835 posts)
18. So many moving parts across many decades
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:38 PM
Feb 2022

I always doubted they could separate the good guys from the bad guys.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
23. Not good enough. It is the public's right to know why they resigned, and what is going on
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:48 PM
Feb 2022

muriel_volestrangler

(105,496 posts)
24. Was this "monthlong pause" already public knowledge, or only revealed by these resignations?
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:53 PM
Feb 2022

Looking at older new items, I can't find it.

It looks like Bragg started on Jan 1st, took a look at the Trump case, and suspended it, without saying anything publicly. And now two of his assistants have resigned in protest.

gab13by13

(31,071 posts)
34. It sounds like that to me,
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:05 PM
Feb 2022

I know that Mark Pomerantz is one sharp financial prosecutor. I want to hear it from him that there isn't a case.

Losing Pomerantz ends the case, unless the Kraken is available.

hamsterjill

(16,921 posts)
26. The next time anyone chastises me for worrying that Trump won't be charged...
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 03:56 PM
Feb 2022

Well, there shouldn’t be a next time.

Trump? Putin? Threatened the families?

If that’s a conspiracy theory, then what’s the explanation for the resignations?

Runningdawg

(4,660 posts)
115. THIS 100%
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:08 PM
Feb 2022

We were led to believe, the only thing the NY DA was waiting on was Trump to leave office. The paperwork was finished, it just had to be filed. Don't forget, NYC has a long history of dealing with the Trump family it didn't start in 2016 and they have done NOTHING.

Mr. Ected

(9,713 posts)
30. Is this the criminal side of the same investigation that Letitia James is pursuing
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:03 PM
Feb 2022

On the civil side?

It seemed the evidence was beginning to pile up; now there's not enough to warrant a grand jury investigation?

WTH?

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
46. I don't know, but he has an interesting philosophy
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:15 PM
Feb 2022

Bragg has said he would not prosecute lessor crimes, and his office announced they

would seek lesser charges for burglaries and store robberies where the offender "displays a dangerous instrument but does not create a genuine risk of physical harm."

While this isn’t the same type of crime, it does demonstrate an attitude about choosing what he personally feels he should prosecute, regardless what the law says

Thomas Hurt

(13,953 posts)
38. Hmm, so if this was just a dud case and had little chance of success why did the prosecutors resign?
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:07 PM
Feb 2022

DAs make decisions every day that a case is not going to be worth going to trial. If that was the only reason they bailed DAs offices would be turnstiles for attys. WTF.

dem4decades

(13,603 posts)
39. I guess Trump is just another businessman doing business in New York, there are no crimes.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:08 PM
Feb 2022

Just business.

Scrivener7

(58,162 posts)
104. "Legitimate financial discourse" is the new phrase we should use when we mean "blatant fraud."
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:33 PM
Feb 2022

stopdiggin

(14,944 posts)
40. OR - it just might be
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:08 PM
Feb 2022

that this investigation is covering a lot of the same ground that the state's case is? And in a format (criminal), in which observers argue might be more difficult to obtain a conviction?

- NYTimes - snip - The pause coincides with an escalation in the activity of a parallel civil inquiry by the New York state attorney general, Letitia James, whose office is examining some of the same conduct by Mr. Trump.

Ms. James, who last week received approval from a judge to question Mr. Trump and two of his adult children under oath, has filed court documents describing a number of ways in which the Trump Organization appeared to have misrepresented the value of its properties.

She concluded that the company had engaged in “fraudulent or misleading” practices, and although she lacks the authority to criminally charge Mr. Trump, she could sue him.

Mr. Bragg’s office must meet a higher bar to bring a criminal case and has encountered a number of challenges in pursuing Mr. Trump, including its inability thus far to persuade any Trump Organization executives to cooperate.

Mr. Trump has disputed the notion that he inflated his property values or defrauded his lenders, and has accused Mr. Bragg and Ms. James, both Democrats who are Black, of being politically motivated and “racists.”

stopdiggin

(14,944 posts)
53. no. they really didn't
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:28 PM
Feb 2022

that's completely overstating the case. And by many accounts their 'reports' would have very little impact on any sort of legal claims in any event.

Mazars said it had not, “as a whole,” found material discrepancies between the information the Trump Organization provided and the true value of Mr. Trump’s assets.

But given what it called “the totality of circumstances” — including its internal investigation and Ms. James’s court papers — Mazars instructed the company to notify anyone who had received the statements that they “should not be relied upon.”


Even with Mazar’s retraction, a criminal case would likely be difficult to prove. The documents, known as statements of financial condition, contain a number of disclaimers, including acknowledgments that Mr. Trump’s accountants had neither audited nor authenticated his claims.

gab13by13

(31,071 posts)
42. I am going to turn on Nicolle to see if she had time to do a segment on this.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:10 PM
Feb 2022

I want to hear from Pomerantz.

dem4decades

(13,603 posts)
45. or Ari, he seems to concentrate on the legal things. The DOJ does nothing, Jan 6th Committee has
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:15 PM
Feb 2022

been silent, that poor woman in Georgia has called for protection, Trump is the true Teflon Don, time to turn the TV off and enjoy life.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,436 posts)
47. Just the most recent example of why my extreme skepticism
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:16 PM
Feb 2022

that Trump will face any kind of punishment is totally justified.

There are often posts here shouting that THIS IS IT!! TRUMP IS GOING DOWN!! and often when I offer some doubt, I'll get smacked down by others who think I just need to have a bit more faith in the system.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
49. Here are more insights from the Washington Post
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:18 PM
Feb 2022

“ The Bragg spokeswoman, Danielle Filson, confirmed the attorneys had left but declined to say why. She said the investigation into Trump and his business practices "is ongoing.”
The lawyers’ resignations were first reported by the New York Times.
A person briefed on the criminal probe, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal information, said Bragg has signaled to others he is less interested in the case than was his predecessor, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., whose term ended at the end of 2021.
New York Attorney General Letitia James, who has an active, parallel civil probe into Trump’s business practices, may proceed alone with a civil lawsuit, the person added.
But James’s office also has partnered with Bragg in the criminal investigation. On Wednesday, her spokeswoman, Delaney Kempner, said the criminal inquiry “is ongoing and there is a robust team in place that is working on it."
The person briefed on the case said James’s office had hoped Bragg and his team would be more aggressive than Vance and has been disappointed with his lack of interest.
Pomerantz, a former federal prosecutor, was working on the case against the former president without taking a salary. Dunne, who could not immediately be reached for comment, served as Vance’s general counsel.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/23/prosecutors-resign-trump-criminal-investigation/


Scrivener7

(58,162 posts)
90. So Bragg is less interested than Vance. And all Vance ever did was kick the can down the road.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:41 PM
Feb 2022

So that's pretty monstrously disinterested.

RevBrotherThomas

(856 posts)
51. Unsurprised
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:22 PM
Feb 2022

Anyone who thinks Donald Trump will spend even a day in jail is fooling themselves. His ocean of lawyers will continue their delaying and racketeering tactics until that blessed day he dies.

The best we can hope for is one of his idiot spawn getting locked up. Someday.

Mr. Ected

(9,713 posts)
55. I want Trump behind bars because he besmirched his oath of office and committed crimes
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:40 PM
Feb 2022

As the President of the United States of America. That to me is the be all, end all.

His crimes as a businessman do not affect me and are indicative of corruption in business that runs rampant in this country and most others. Sure, he deserves to be punished for those transgressions too, but bring me the head of Donald J. Trump as a result of election frauds in 2016 and 2020 and his role in J6 and I will consider it the most satisfying end to the most egregious mistake ever made.

Scrivener7

(58,162 posts)
88. They won't even go after him when the crimes are as evident as the nose on your face.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:39 PM
Feb 2022

Valuations that differ wildly on the same property. This is not a complicated thing. You would be either fined or jailed for such a fraud in the blink of an eye.

So when his crimes are this cut and dried and they walk away from prosecution, do you really seriously think they are going to go after him for election fraud?

I really hope you are not holding your breath.

Personally, I don't give a shit what they get him for. I just want SOMEONE to get him for SOMETHING. Take your pick. There are thousands of crimes to choose from!

gab13by13

(31,071 posts)
62. There you have it,
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 04:59 PM
Feb 2022

Dan Goldman said there is only one explanation for the 2 prosecutors to resign, they wanted to pursue the case and Alvin Bragg didn't.

Goldman said if they all agreed there was no case there would be no resignations.

The fucking prosecutors wasted their time, and Pomerantz even came on board to go over all of the financial documents and worked without being paid.

Go get him letitia, fuck you Alvin Bragg.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
66. might be got everything put in place & service's not required now !
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:05 PM
Feb 2022

they was hired specifically for trump case ? when your done - you resign & draw your last pay check !

krkaufman

(13,957 posts)
67. First Vance, now Bragg
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:06 PM
Feb 2022

Cyrus Vance, Jr., dropped charges against the children and now the subsequent DA likely to do the same. Really kills trust in the system.

atreides1

(16,799 posts)
106. Yep
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 06:34 PM
Feb 2022

Vance did the same thing...didn't support his own people...and they had more then enough evidence to lock them both up!

Now it seems that Bragg is doing the Cyrus Vance dance...



Scrivener7

(58,162 posts)
71. Jesus H. Christ. This is too much. And think it's a conspiracy theory all you like but this stinks
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:18 PM
Feb 2022

to high heaven.

gab13by13

(31,071 posts)
78. I had a taste of being threatened when I was on my small town borough council.
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:27 PM
Feb 2022

A friend of mine actually got death threats. They wanted to strip coal on our pristine watershed and build a coal cleaning plant in a flood plain. To be honest, I spent many sleepless nights, but I didn't back down and did what was right. The pressure at the federal level must be pretty extreme. I mean, Alvin is the new guy on the scene and he has 2 fantastic prosecutors wanting to go forward, what other explanation can there be? He was threatened.

Scrivener7

(58,162 posts)
83. Or his palm was greased. I don't know. All I know is that this is what ALWAYS happens
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:34 PM
Feb 2022

with this disgusting man. He has NEVER done anything honestly or ethically, and he has NEVER faced ANY consequences.

AND he's dumber than a mud fence! HOW does this happen??

I am so tired of this.

gab13by13

(31,071 posts)
97. There are a lot of people more knowledgeable than us,
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:54 PM
Feb 2022

questioning what went on. Maybe ole Alvin has skeletons in his closet?

gab13by13

(31,071 posts)
100. The facts are 2 prosecutors abruptly resigned,
Wed Feb 23, 2022, 05:59 PM
Feb 2022

and Dan Goldman said there can only be one explanation. The prosecutors wanted to prosecute but the DA didn't. There can be no other explanation.

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