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AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:27 AM Feb 2022

Ukraine shoots down 5 Russian jets, helicopter: Reports

Last edited Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:03 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: The Week

Ukrainian military claimed that they have shot down five Russian jets and helicopters in the eastern region, as Russian troops moved into the neighbouring country's territories. "The combined forces give a worthy rebuff to the armed forces of the Russian Federation. Military units in their positions. The enemy suffers losses," the Ukrainian military claimed.







Read more: https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2022/02/24/ukraine-shoots-down-russian-jet-helicopters-reports.html
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Ukraine shoots down 5 Russian jets, helicopter: Reports (Original Post) AntiFascist Feb 2022 OP
Yes!! blue-wave Feb 2022 #1
Hurrah! vercetti2021 Feb 2022 #2
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Mary in S. Carolina Feb 2022 #4
Video: L. Coyote Feb 2022 #5
Of course, that will be the Ukrainian "aggression"... regnaD kciN Feb 2022 #6
And we'll impose sanctions incrementally Igel Feb 2022 #7
Drop the mother load of sanctions now blue-wave Feb 2022 #12
He was already invading if this is a Russian aircraft. I can't tell oldsoftie Feb 2022 #22
Make 'em bleed TheRealNorth Feb 2022 #8
From a Kyiv journalist 4 hours ago now: herding cats Feb 2022 #9
GOOD. 😠 ShazzieB Feb 2022 #10
It's hard to feel celebratory when men kill each other because of one man chowder66 Feb 2022 #11
agreed Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #13
yeah, I don't know about you LittleGirl Feb 2022 #14
I'm Orthodox Chrustian of Slavic descent. (Czecho)Slovakia. sprinkleeninow Feb 2022 #15
I did not imply surrender. chowder66 Feb 2022 #17
I'm simply grateful and pleased that the Ukrainian people are brave sprinkleeninow Feb 2022 #20
I'm not celebrating. This is what pooton expected. C Moon Feb 2022 #16
From Malcolm Nance: Rhiannon12866 Feb 2022 #18
Ukraine and NATO may learn much from Russian military losses. BadgerMom Feb 2022 #19
Very likely Deminpenn Feb 2022 #32
Over the last few days I had hoped that Putin would back away. Aussie105 Feb 2022 #21
He lies constantly. He forgets this thing called "the internet" lets people find truth oldsoftie Feb 2022 #23
Actually, this statement is 100% false. The Chinese really don't care if things are blocked AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #25
Would a VPN work in North Korea? Polybius Feb 2022 #26
To start, I wouldn't know, never lived there and have no desire to go AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #27
You'll go to JAIL using a VPN. Its not insulting the people to point out how they're controlled oldsoftie Feb 2022 #28
Then the entire population of China would be in prison AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #30
Hey, porn is different. We all should get a pass on that..... oldsoftie Feb 2022 #31
Vindman-Russia will suffer loses LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #24
Good. Make the cost high early on & maybe it'll have an impact. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #29

blue-wave

(4,353 posts)
1. Yes!!
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 02:36 AM
Feb 2022

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Hand pooty his ass on a platter!!

Just learned that a sixth Russian aircraft was shot down near Kramatorsk!

Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
6. Of course, that will be the Ukrainian "aggression"...
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:02 AM
Feb 2022

...that will give Putin the justification that an all-out invasion of the country is "self-defense."

blue-wave

(4,353 posts)
12. Drop the mother load of sanctions now
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:49 AM
Feb 2022

And stop the world from purchasing any Russian oil or natural gas. Oil and gas account for 40% of the Russian national budget.

And oh, I think the Ukrainians are staying as calm as can be expected considering the circumstances. And they are fighting back!

chowder66

(9,069 posts)
11. It's hard to feel celebratory when men kill each other because of one man
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 03:44 AM
Feb 2022

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who is power tripping over his id.

on edit; I am not implying anything. I'm upset about the death and destruction that is happening and what's to come.
If others want to cheer, I get that. I just can't. It's tragic all around but I want most definitely want Ukraine to be victorious.

sprinkleeninow

(20,248 posts)
15. I'm Orthodox Chrustian of Slavic descent. (Czecho)Slovakia.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 04:38 AM
Feb 2022

I read recently what notable figures of our Faith had to say regarding having to defend against enemies that initiate actions that have killing as motive/intention. And it's permissible only as defense. I'll try to find what I read.

What. Should the Ukrainian people just throw their hands up in surrender?

chowder66

(9,069 posts)
17. I did not imply surrender.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 04:48 AM
Feb 2022

I'm extremely upset that men, women and children are going to get killed because of some asshole who needs to flex his bravado.
Therefore I find it hard to "cheer" at this moment.

I'm thinking of the death and destruction.

sprinkleeninow

(20,248 posts)
20. I'm simply grateful and pleased that the Ukrainian people are brave
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:00 AM
Feb 2022

and are assuming a defensive stance.

I hate what's happening. Yes, there will be bloodshed, injuries and fatalities. This unwarranted aggression must be countered and met strongly by any means necessary. Who let putin slide? Who cares. The history is gone. Now is the moment.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
19. Ukraine and NATO may learn much from Russian military losses.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 04:56 AM
Feb 2022

Am I correct? Shortcomings about weapons, weapon systems, technology and training? I’m sure military intelligence already is voluminous, but there’s usually more to be learned.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
32. Very likely
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:58 PM
Feb 2022

The other thing is with so much of Russia's military units and hardware deployed, that's a lot of equipment that will have to repaired or replaced.

Aussie105

(5,397 posts)
21. Over the last few days I had hoped that Putin would back away.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 05:40 AM
Feb 2022

But his recent televised rants tell me otherwise.

He sincerely believes the history of Russia includes a lot of the territory around Russia and that they belong to Russia.

His convoluted thinking allows him to believe he is 'protecting' downtrodden Russian citizens in the Ukraine.
Most citizens in Ukraine speak both languages, so that argument falls flat.

The truth is that historically and culturally Ukraine was the heart of Russia a long time ago, and what is now Russia just an offshoot from that. Eastwards population expansion.

So does the Ukraine belong to Russia, or does Russia belong to the Ukraine?

With his strong man stance and rhetoric, Putin in unable to back down, even if he wanted.
He would appear weak and caving in to global criticisms if he withdrew his troops.

So an invasion was inevitable. And it looks like it's going to get violent.

What is the solution? Should NATO countries supply Ukraine with unlimited weapons and 'adviser' soldiers so it becomes a war of attrition, last one standing wins?

I'm hoping for a backlash against all this from Russian citizens.
There will be, if conflict carries on for too long. But will Putin listen?

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
23. He lies constantly. He forgets this thing called "the internet" lets people find truth
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 08:17 AM
Feb 2022

Yes, Russia blocks a lot just like China, but the Russian people are more resourceful than the Chinese I think

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
25. Actually, this statement is 100% false. The Chinese really don't care if things are blocked
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 11:30 AM
Feb 2022

since most everyone has a VPN to bypass the Great Firewall.

There are many ways around the Chinese firewall.

Please don't insult the character of the Chinese people. They are some of the most resourceful people I've ever lived around.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
27. To start, I wouldn't know, never lived there and have no desire to go
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 12:37 PM
Feb 2022

But since they have an INTRAnet and not an INTERnet, I doubt it

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
28. You'll go to JAIL using a VPN. Its not insulting the people to point out how they're controlled
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:52 PM
Feb 2022

Its merely a fact of life over there. Looks at the stupid Olympics for Pete's sake.
Certainly some still will do it, but the Russians aren't as controlled & locked down as the Chinese. They welded people into buildings during covid!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/22/man-in-china-sentenced-to-five-years-jail-for-running-vpn

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41160383

https://www.scmp.com/abacus/tech/article/3095201/man-punished-using-vpn-scale-chinas-great-firewall-and-watch-porn

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
30. Then the entire population of China would be in prison
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:55 PM
Feb 2022

Since most everyone has one.

Again, as I say, what do I know about China. I only lived there for 12 years and will be going back to reunite with my wife in May.

Pornography is also illegal and I've seen people selling it outside of police stations in makeshift stores.

Swinging is illegal over there too, but there is a website in China where couples can find and do that. . .my wife and I looked at it for a giggle one night when she asked about "open relationships" when she read something on some Hollywood "news" website.

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
31. Hey, porn is different. We all should get a pass on that.....
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:58 PM
Feb 2022

And just as I posted that last post, I saw on MSNBC where Russia is now trying to totally shut down the internet inside Russia.

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
29. Good. Make the cost high early on & maybe it'll have an impact.
Thu Feb 24, 2022, 01:54 PM
Feb 2022

Or at least make the soldiers feel a bit more uneasy

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