62 percent of voters say Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump were president: poll

[brooklynite]

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Source: The Hill

A majority of American voters say that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine had former President Trump still been in office, according to a new survey released on Friday.

A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.

However, 38 percent of all Americans polled believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump had been president.

A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden, while 41 percent said that it was not a factor in Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/595919-62-percent-of-voters-say-putin-wouldnt-have-invaded-ukraine-if-trump

[czarjak]

1. BULLSHIT

[PortTack]

2. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[Codifer]

37. Absolutely

I must agree.

[ribrepin]

73. Trump would have offered the 82 Airborn

to Putin for a combined operation

[Samrob]

77. Putin thought it would be an easy win, Biden was weak and would make Biden look bad and help Trump

in 2024. Miscalculation of the century no matter the outcome. Putin looks deranged, sick, and sociopathic. Biden looks stronger than ever and so does NATO. Trump look crazier than ever and since he was already at rock bottom mentally no where to go. Xi eating popcorn and KIM throwing a temper tantrum because no one is paying attention to him right now. Ukrainians showing the world how to face a bully no matter what and inspiring some developing nations to deal with their own demonic leaders.
Yeah, we are all going to suffer in varying degrees but the bullies will be suffering more in the long run.

[Ocelot II]

3. He wouldn't have had to. TFG would have handed it to him.

[blueinredohio]

14. MT thoughts exactly!

[WVreaper]

21. Ditto that!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

67. +1000

[Wingus Dingus]

4. Americans aren't the best at understanding foreign policy.

[peppertree]

16. And Republican presidents - plus their many surrogates - are largely to blame

Since Reagan's electorally-timed Grenada escapade in 1983, Repug presidents have devoted themselves to cultivating a public image as being "tough and strong" on foreign policy (and everything else).

And in the eyes of many voters, that's simply meant invading and bombing - as if that was what defined strength.

So it's little wonder so many of them now see Putin's war sympathetically.

"He's being strong!"

[MacKasey]

5. Trump would have destroyed NATO

And given Ukraine to Putin on a silver platter

[DSandra]

23. +1

[dixiechiken1]

30. Probably Alaska, too...

[ificandream]

32. +100

[Rebl2]

47. Yep

[mnhtnbb]

60. Precisely. Destroying NATO was the job given to Trump by Putin.

Then Pootie walks into Ukraine while former NATO countries are scrambling for leadership.

Republicans are so damn stupid. They believe their own BS.

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. Was this poll done at CPAC?

[sinkingfeeling]

7. Americans are the most gullible people on earth or the dumbest.

[lonely bird]

19. The answer is...

Yes.

[onenote]

39. Including the 38 percent of Democrats

Personally, I find the poll results questionable.

[Mike Nelson]

8. Yikes!

... this is so implausible. If this poll is true, FOX Spin has won and we're in big trouble.

[Mike Nelson]

18. Well...

... just on Twitter and this is all over the place. It's trending with a phrase I won't repeat. However, there are challenges... people are posting good responses - and funny ones, too!

[hadEnuf]

33. Fox is a propaganda network backed by billions and a 25 year head start.

Unless something is done to counter their treasonous propaganda they will win. It's only a matter of time.

[WHITT]

9. Of Course He Wouldn't

as Donnie was his puppet, so Putin would have no worries about NATO being on Russia's border, and as mentioned, Donnie was trying to dismantle NATO.

[Beakybird]

10. It's scary, but put it out 24/7 that TFG called the invaders peace keepers.

[monkeyman1]

11. new affiliate in the U.S. -- united front of stupid people ! very popular these day's !!

[vercetti2021]

12. Oh bullshit

Goddamn this country has some of the biggest idiots. And I will post this. Sorry if its offensive. But it's TRUE.

[northlake9]

13. Gain of Salt, Click Bait

Quote the last sentence;

"The survey is an online sample drawn from the Harris Panel and weighted to reflect known demographics. As a representative online sample, it does not report a probability confidence interval."

[hadEnuf]

35. So in other words the poll was freeped....

That would make sense because the poll results do not.

[Beastly Boy]

15. It's true. Trump would have just thrown Ukraine under the bus for Putin,

cut off all aid to Ukraine, withdrawn US support from NATO, and gifted Putin with a golf cart to ride into Kyiv unopposed.

With friends like Trump, who needs invasions?

[lonely bird]

22. Hell

He withheld aid because they wouldn’t get him dirt on Biden.

[regnaD kciN]

17. By contrast, from 538 today...

However, a separate Morning Consult survey conducted Thursday — the only poll asking about Ukraine conducted entirely since Russia’s invasion so far — told a different tale. In it, registered voters gave Biden a positive net approval rating on his handling of foreign policy in Ukraine and Eastern Europe: 48 percent to 43 percent. This could reflect what will happen to Biden’s approval ratings on Ukraine (and perhaps overall) once the public hears more about the crisis and has new information on which to base their opinions — such as Biden’s televised announcement on Thursday that he would impose harsh economic sanctions on Russia and not send U.S. troops to Ukraine. As my colleague Geoffrey Skelley wrote at the time, both of those positions are popular among the public.

[JohnSJ]

29. Read the details of the poll

The fact that 38% of the Democrats answered this way is very suspicious

The other fact is it is an online sample draw which does not report a probability confidence

[sheshe2]

48. I have voted on lots of online polls.

You can vote numerous times to skew the poll. I do it to have fun. Online polls are useless as the Harris Poll has proved to be.

[marie999]

20. The first question in the poll should have been, what country did Russia invade?

The second question should have been, specifically, where is this country located? If they couldn't answer both questions correctly they should not have been asked any other questions.

[Rizen]

24. People are dumb as shit.

[myohmy2]

25. sure...

...trump on behalf of his good friend putin would have threatened Ukraine and NATO with lack of U.S. support should putin be forced to invade...

...remember, trump just called putin a genius, smart and said the invasion although wouldn't have happened under him was wonderful...

...it's not whether putin would have invaded under trump but what would Europe look like today and tomorrow under the tump/putin friendship...

...we and Europe should be grateful that Joe is President...

...

[oldsoftie]

26. Didn't Putin send troops into E UKR while trump was president?

[JohnSJ]

27. It is bullshit. The fact that 38% of the Democrats answered this way is very suspicious

The other fact is it is an online sample draw which does not report a probability confidence

This isn’t LBN, this is as an unreliable poll the way it was done, and of course it s from the Hill

What also is interesting is some have a pattern to go out of their way to find as many negative, demoralizing links, whether they have validity or not, as though this is how they get their jollies

[Midnight Writer]

28. The plan was for Trump to pull US out of NATO in his second term, damaging the alliance.

Then Putin could take Ukraine and re-establish Russian power in Eastern Europe.

Anyone who thinks Trump and Putin were not on the same page on this is wrong.

[twodogsbarking]

31. Rudy counted the votes.

[SunSeeker]

36. Why do they think that? Putin invaded Syria whole Trump was president.

[raccoon]

38. Where did they do this stupid poll? I bet it was in the middle of Trumpistan. Nt

[Cha]

40. WTF does that say about

Putin and his Murderous Politics Killing Innocent Ukrainians to help out his Asshole Asset?

[hadEnuf]

41. I believe that The Hill is another right wing rag is it not?

Why would anybody put any faith in a right leaning publication, especially concerning a poll on Biden?

[George II]

42. Unless I missed it, FiveThirtyEight doesn't even rate this "pollster".

[JohnSJ]

43. The poll is based on an online sample draw, and does not have a probability confidence

Add to that, that it says 38% of the Democrats answered this way, that putin would not have invaded Ukraine if trump was still president.

Being charitable, the least one would say it was an outlier, but most likely it isn't even a valid poll the way it was done

Why would this be LBN

[walkingman]

44. Confirms that the majority of Americans are have no real understanding of foreign affairs.

[milestogo]

72. + a brazillion

[turbinetree]

45. Bullshit........

[Rebl2]

46. If trump

was still president he would HELP putin invade Ukraine. He probably would have sent US soldiers over to help putin invade.

[sheshe2]

49. Oh, please.

This NOT LBN.

Nor is an online poll credible.

[randr]

51. He was clearly emboldened by tfg

Without tfg he would certainly never dared confront NATO and Ukrainian would likely already be a member.

[SouthernDem4ever]

52. all Fux Nooze bullshit

not the poll necessarily, but the minsinfo from the brains they polled. Trump would have helped Putin take Ukraine as revenge for botching up the little lying scheme he had against American politicians. Asshole republicans need to wake up and quit deluding themselves. They are hurting the U.S. and the rest of the world.

[treestar]

53. Makes no sense since TFG has never opposed Putin

And the whole macho "weakness" thing is stupid.

How did Biden beat TFG in the election then?

[RandiFan1290]

54. L O L

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

55. RW propaganda is making too many Americans tragically, profoundly stupid.

Those who buy into it literally know less than nothing, their belief systems are based on a foundation of lies.

I'm old, and will probably be gone before the full horror of the mass stupid fully manifests in our country

The US, and our democracy, is in deep trouble. We need to find some way to counteract RW propaganda immediately.

[Paladin]

56. trump would let Putin invade and reclaim ALASKA, if the price was right.

And most of trump's douchebag supporters would be just fine with that.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

57. TFG was in the process of withdrawing the US from NATO and so Putin did not need to invade

Link to tweet

[greenjar_01]

58. More pro-Putin, pro-Trump posts

Unbelievable that this is allowed to continue.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

59. The Kansas City Star rips Trump for blaming Putin's invasion on Biden

Link to tweet

[dbonds]

61. That polling firm has a known RW bias

The link has an @ sign in it that DU doesn't seem to like to parse. You will have to copy and past in your URL bar.

[link:https://medium.com/@msells/the-harvard-harris-poll-scam-de5120fb0759|

[Martin68]

62. That is a weird poll result. Where's the logic in that? Trump is loudly supporting the

Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[jmowreader]

63. And of those 62 percent...

25 percent believe Putin would not have invaded because Trump is a strong and persuasive world leader.

50 percent believe Trump would have handed the Ukraine to Russia so there would have been no need to invade.

and…

25 percent believe Trump talked Putin into invading the Ukraine so Joe Biden would look like a weak and indecisive leader, therefore making it easier to beat him in a 2024 rematch.

[Raven123]

64. I am a voter, and I wasn't polled, so clearly the poll is not legitimate

[intrepidity]

65. Maybe; but their reason is wrong

It would have been because Trump would have abused US powers to force regime change in Ukraine according to Putin's instructions. No invasion would have been necessary, since it'd've been a bloodless coup.

[Happy Hoosier]

66. Actually, that may be right. Here's why.

Under Trump, Ukraine's defense was undermined and Trump had swept teh State Department of officials who were opposing Putin;s efforts to undermine Ukraine's political system.

Putin was effectively "Belarusing" Ukraine until Trump lost. Had Trump won, there would be no need for Putin to invade. He would have rat-fucked the Ukrainian political system and installed his own stooge. Again. Biden winning fucked that plan up. And with Ukraine headed to NATO membership, I think Putin thought that if he was going to "win," this military option was the only option. And the earlier the better since Biden was actually supporting Ukrainian security development.

[The Grand Illuminist]

68. More evidence

That people that voted for Trump are more dangerous than Trump himself.

[tonekat]

69. 2026 voters is not much of a sample

Remember this when weighing the validity of this claim by the Center.

[iemanja]

75. It's statistically valid

as long as the sample was taken appropriately.

[agincourt]

70. This is pathetic

I wish I had not seen this. The contrast between Ukrainians and Americans blinds me.

[olddad65]

71. Wow, that is a lot of stupid people.

[womanofthehills]

76. Many out there are not even aware Russia is bombing Ukraine

I was talking to two college educated women yesterday and they had no idea.

[iemanja]

74. As if we needed more confirmation

of the stupidity of the American public. THEY are why our democracy is threatened, and they don't give a flying fuck if it is.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

78. As others have said it's a bullshit poll

Any poll that uses internet survey data is suspect.

[DashOneBravo]

79. A lot of information gets posted

In this forum: https://democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1178

I don’t know if these are posted, but when the previous administration was in.

They killed 200 Russians in Syria.

https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-killed-200-russians-syria-airstrikes-pompeo-says-trump-considers-883947

They sent anti-tank rockets to Ukraine.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898

[TigressDem]

80. Because tRump would have made it a backdoor deal and GAVE Ukraine to POOtin nt

[truthisfreedom]

81. republicommies

They all wear red socks and read themselves to bed from the manifesto.

[Omaha Steve]

82. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

This poll is not LBN.

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