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PatrickforB

(14,558 posts)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 07:16 AM Feb 2022

Oil Industry Uses Ukraine Invasion to Push for More Drilling

Source: New York Times

Russian troops hadn’t yet begun their full-on assault on Ukraine late Wednesday when the rallying cry came from the American oil and gas industry.

“As crisis looms in Ukraine, U.S. energy leadership is more important than ever,” the American Petroleum Institute, the powerful industry lobby group, wrote on Twitter with a photo that read: “Let’s unleash American energy. Protect our energy security.”

The crux of the industry’s argument is that any effort to restrain drilling in America makes a world already reeling from high oil prices more dependent on oil and gas from Russia, a rival and belligerent fossil fuel superpower.

The industry’s demands have focused on reversing steps the Biden administration has taken to start reining in the production of fossil fuels, the main driver of climate change.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/climate/ukraine-oil-lobby-biden-drilling.html



The problem, of course, is that the oil industry cares far more about unleashing higher profits than it does 'unleashing American energy.'

It is the way of capitalism, I know. But if we really cared about 'American energy security,' we'd be focused more on solar, wind and other renewables.

And, we'd be working together to ensure even more workers could work remotely to further reduce our carbon footprint...
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Oil Industry Uses Ukraine Invasion to Push for More Drilling (Original Post) PatrickforB Feb 2022 OP
All while their profits are going thru the roof. multigraincracker Feb 2022 #1
Go Fuck Yourselves n/t Cheezoholic Feb 2022 #2
My first thought exactly! Welcome Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #36
No, no, no. Magoo48 Feb 2022 #3
Wall Street is buying up oil like its going out of fashion Mr. Sparkle Feb 2022 #4
Right now, we need to increase OUR production & get OPEC to incase theirs. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #5
Europe screwed up by allowing Russian energy RussBLib Feb 2022 #11
Another option is to temporarily suspend the ban on Iranian oil. Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #13
If the oil companies would cooperate and sell their product to the US and Western Europe, PatrickforB Feb 2022 #18
At the end of the day it still boils down to supply & demand. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #24
OK, but there is one bit of malfeasance that falls directly in the laps PatrickforB Feb 2022 #33
Can't imagine a fight over the Sun. rickford66 Feb 2022 #6
Screw big oil and gas, duforsure Feb 2022 #7
Thank you, oil companies... tonekat Feb 2022 #35
REmove the oil sanctions Old Crank Feb 2022 #8
VZ doesn't have the capability to produce much more due to incompetence. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #19
So your theory is that Venezuela is going to take action to harm their ally, Russia? mathematic Feb 2022 #23
There are a lot of "free Venezuela!" posts lately. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #31
I remember when we could only buy gas on odd or even days. marie999 Feb 2022 #9
Everyone who doesn't need to drive, boat or fly SouthernDem4ever Feb 2022 #10
Didn't they just slow down production to drive up the price? Emile Feb 2022 #12
saw that here a few times Blues Heron Feb 2022 #14
We will never be independent without nuclear. Its folly to think otherwise. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #21
cool story bro Blues Heron Feb 2022 #26
OK, "bro", here's your facts. Disagree with reality all you like. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #29
I thought they said all the frackers would come back online when oil surged past $70 a barrel bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #15
Apparently those wells can't just be turned on with the flip of a switch oldsoftie Feb 2022 #20
Yes, for competitive reasons, oil companies plug wells with cement when abandoned bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #22
Wow, I didn't know they went to THAT extreme!! oldsoftie Feb 2022 #25
It may be part environmental regulation bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #28
Typical psychotic Corporate CEOs Farmer-Rick Feb 2022 #16
The world makes me sad. I had hoped for better. twodogsbarking Feb 2022 #17
So they will Pump More and Raise Prices? BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #27
I Want All Their Supporters To Invest All Their Assets modrepub Feb 2022 #30
A solution Bayard Feb 2022 #32
Ah, an opinion after my own heart. Well said, Bayard!!! n/t PatrickforB Feb 2022 #34

oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
5. Right now, we need to increase OUR production & get OPEC to incase theirs.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:13 AM
Feb 2022

Increase supplies to Europe to help get them off Putin's energy blackmail teat.
We should NOT be importing oil & gas from Russia.

We can continue building our wind & solar capacity but those things don't happen overnight. We also MUST increase our energy supplies from nuclear. It takes WAY too long for new reactors to be built & go online.
We MUST reduce Russian profits from oil. It runs most of their economy.

RussBLib

(9,003 posts)
11. Europe screwed up by allowing Russian energy
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:31 AM
Feb 2022

supplies and becoming somewhat dependent on them.

Of course Russia will use those supplies to extract more money and concessions from Europe. Who the hell decided the Russians can be trusted? I still wonder how many Europeans have been profiting from the flood of Russian laundered money?

Meanwhile, full speed ahead on renewables, and, yes, nuclear.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
13. Another option is to temporarily suspend the ban on Iranian oil.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:20 AM
Feb 2022

Let them sell to Europe and help cut off Russia. That might go a long way also to getting Iran to the table for negotiations on the nuclear deal.

PatrickforB

(14,558 posts)
18. If the oil companies would cooperate and sell their product to the US and Western Europe,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:27 AM
Feb 2022

and help keep the price down, I would agree with you because a sound, mixed strategy that gradually replaces oil and gas with other sources - there is one guy on here that says we could use existing nuclear waste as fuel in fusion reactors and pretty much replace oil - makes sense.

But oil companies, like all publicly traded corporations, hold shareholder profits above all else. So, their CEOs hire lobbyists during times like these to decrease regulation about where and how much they can drill and frack. It takes 5 million gallons of water to frack one well one time, and a well must be fracked several times over its life, did you know? And they have to keep the prices up to make it economically feasible to extract oil from places like the Niobrara shale formation.

Like all CEOs, the oil people will gouge the consumer whereever and whenever they can, and in case there is a spill, they will work really hard to pass the cost of cleanup onto taxpayers. They are masters of corporate socialism.

We must all always remember that, even with those oil and gas companies that were incorporated in, and operate mainly in the US, their 'colors' are not red, white and blue. Nope. They go with money-green. They will sell the oil as high as possible to anyone who can pay. This is why their assertion that more 'drill baby drill' will help the US is nothing but a lie.

oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
24. At the end of the day it still boils down to supply & demand.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:40 PM
Feb 2022

Demand for oil is at its highest right now since 2019. Supplies are not. The US oil production has yet to get back to where we were in 2020. Its not an overnight process either, but we have the capability to increase our production. Oil companies aren't the main culprit when it comes to overpricing. That falls to oil traders & market makers. THEY need more regulation IMO, although many aren't based in the US either

PatrickforB

(14,558 posts)
33. OK, but there is one bit of malfeasance that falls directly in the laps
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:08 PM
Feb 2022

of the oil companies, and that is their decades-long (since 1971) quest to cast doubt on the science behind human-caused global warming. To add to that, we can also cite their steadfast support of Republican (and some Indy and Dem) politicians in return for...shall we say...a certain hesitancy around forming a coherent energy policy that gradually reduces the carbon footprint. I have family in the oil biz, and some of these people hate government to the point of irrationality. This 'take no prisoners' attitude has resulted in the industry's failure to embrace other energy technologies to the point that is needed if we are thinking of the welfare of the species instead of merely profits for shareholders, and stratospheric salaries for CEOs.

They are quite complicit in our current environmental problems, and this war is convenient for them as a reason to force deregulation around drilling and fracking, and to stall progress toward lowering the carbon footprint yet another few years so they can eke out the maximum amount of shareholder profit before the bottom falls out and we have to force rapid change to renewables.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
7. Screw big oil and gas,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:31 AM
Feb 2022

Putin uses oil and gas as a weapon, and the UAE, and a push now for clean renewable's should stop that and their money being used for terrorism against us. We need now to promote major efforts worldwide for clean energy, and self reliance, and the best opportunity for doing it is now, and quit self funding extremist's worldwide. Big oil has been draining us for years by overcharging us. They need to subsidize clean energy, and wean off subsidizing oil and other dirty energy .

Old Crank

(3,525 posts)
8. REmove the oil sanctions
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 08:39 AM
Feb 2022

From Venezuela first. That will hurt Putin's pocket book by immediately
driving down oil prices.

oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
19. VZ doesn't have the capability to produce much more due to incompetence.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:25 PM
Feb 2022

There production infrastructure is a shell of what art used to be because they ran out all the oil companies & made everything "State owned"; meaning "corrupt and inept". Nothing is maintained and expansion is not possible.
No one will invest money there because Maduro & his cronies won't pay their bills.

The ME can easily provide enough oil as can our domestic production.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
9. I remember when we could only buy gas on odd or even days.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:07 AM
Feb 2022

Gas stations were running out. Gas prices zoomed. This is different. Gas prices are going up, but every gas station has plenty of gas. There aren't any long lines. This is nothing but greed.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
10. Everyone who doesn't need to drive, boat or fly
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 09:28 AM
Feb 2022

Park your cars, boats and cancel airline trips. This will bring oil prices down. But no, American's are too stupid and selfish to sacrifice for even a little while.

Emile

(22,480 posts)
12. Didn't they just slow down production to drive up the price?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:18 AM
Feb 2022

Predatory Capitalism is alive and well!

Blues Heron

(5,926 posts)
14. saw that here a few times
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:45 AM
Feb 2022

I say we kick Putin's butt by planting more windmills. Get off the nasty oil/nukes. Feeding our dependence on fossil fuels/uranium mining etc. is not the answer

oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
21. We will never be independent without nuclear. Its folly to think otherwise.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:35 PM
Feb 2022

Until new inventions come online that make it unneeded.
With current technology we cannot supply the energy needs of this country with only windmills. Or only windmills & solar. It just will never happen. And much of what's needed to BUILD those production capacities, especially solar, comes from CHINA & RUSSIA.

oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
29. OK, "bro", here's your facts. Disagree with reality all you like.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:52 PM
Feb 2022

In 2018, the United States was 100% reliant on foreign sources for arsenic.
In 2018, the United States was 100% reliant on foreign sources for gallium.
In 2018, the United States was 100% reliant on foreign sources for indium.
There's more, you can read the report yourself.

https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/Solar%20PV%20Case%20Study%20-%20BloombergNEF.pdf?wDUUlXhfxWtA0lLU66HdshX539MvZHDI


https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/Solar%20PV%20Case%20Study%20-%20BloombergNEF.pdf?wDUUlXhfxWtA0lLU66HdshX539MvZHDI

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
15. I thought they said all the frackers would come back online when oil surged past $70 a barrel
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 10:51 AM
Feb 2022

Are we lagging that much? Or did they all go bankrupt way back when?

oldsoftie

(12,489 posts)
20. Apparently those wells can't just be turned on with the flip of a switch
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:31 PM
Feb 2022

but I would think it would be underway by now. And if not, someone should be asking WHY not

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
22. Yes, for competitive reasons, oil companies plug wells with cement when abandoned
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:36 PM
Feb 2022

So they have to start anew. Seems a wasteful practice, but it's also to prevent underground contamination.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
28. It may be part environmental regulation
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:45 PM
Feb 2022

But if they didn't cap a well, and went BK or sold the land and the rights, another company would have a fully drilled shaft. That costs money so it would be like giving it to a competitor. At least that's what I've read on the industry.

Farmer-Rick

(10,135 posts)
16. Typical psychotic Corporate CEOs
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:00 AM
Feb 2022

Never let someone dying get in the way of you making a dollar. These psychopaths who would rather you die then pay you a living wage, are in control of our country.

I hope all you "free" traders, all you fools who support Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman, love your end stage capitalism. Until you get rid of it, the oligarchs will continue to kill you for fun and profit.

modrepub

(3,491 posts)
30. I Want All Their Supporters To Invest All Their Assets
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:53 PM
Feb 2022

into these companies that are advocating for more drilling. I want hours of infomercials and commercials on Faux news plugging where you can invest your money on new drilling (just like the gold fund infomercials/commercials). All the Congress critters and politicians who advocate for more drilling should automatically have their pension/SS monies funneled into funds investing in drilling operations.

And why do you ask? Because I want these people loose their shirts when oil prices collapse and these affiliated companies go bankrupt. Because that, in the long term, is what's going to happen. Mark my words. The oil industry is a huge Ponzi scheme. It only works if prices continually go up and that ain't going to happen.

Put your G-d Damned $ where your mouth is (and don't direct public tax dollars there because that's communism).

Bayard

(22,005 posts)
32. A solution
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:14 PM
Feb 2022

Go back to everyone working from home, when the streets were practically barren, due to the pandemic.

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