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Omaha Steve

(99,505 posts)
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:01 AM Feb 2022

Russian official issues stark threats to the West

Source: AP

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

MOSCOW (AP) — Moscow may respond to Western sanctions by opting out of the last nuclear arms deal with the U.S., cutting diplomatic ties with Western nations and freezing their assets, a senior Russian official warned Saturday as Russia’s ties with the West dived to new lows over its invasion of Ukraine.

Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council chaired by President Vladimir Putin, also warned that Moscow could restore the death penalty after Russia was removed from Europe’s top rights group — a chilling statement that shocked human rights activists in a country that hasn’t had capital punishment for a quarter-century.

The sanctions placed new tight restrictions on Russian financial operations, imposed a draconian ban on technology exports to Russia and froze the assets of Putin and his foreign minister, a harsh response that dwarfed earlier Western restrictions. Washington and its allies say that even tougher sanctions are possible, including kicking Russia out of SWIFT, the dominant system for global financial transactions.

In sarcastic comments posted on a Russian social platform, Medvedev dismissed the sanctions as a show of Western “political impotence” that will only consolidate the Russian leadership and foment anti-Western feelings.



Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman and the head of the United Russia party Dmitry Medvedev speaks, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, Feb. 22, 2022. Medvedev warned that Moscow could react to Western sanctions over Russia's attack on Ukraine by opting out of the last remaining nuclear arms pact, freezing Western assets and citting diplomatic ties with nations in the West. (Yekaterina Shtukina, Sputnik, Government Pool Photo via AP)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-vladimir-putin-business-dmitry-medvedev-global-trade-858a23b058209e5662ee59d768b615bd

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Russian official issues stark threats to the West (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2022 OP
Not much point in having nuclear deals with a war criminal. Not Tomconroy Feb 2022 #1
Yes! Also, Russia is a financial pee wee. Their economy is half the size Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #12
Someone posted this in a thread last week and I kept a copy BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #32
LOL! Took me a while to find it! Nice graphic. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #33
Yeah you have to really hunt through that to find them BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #35
Thanks for pointing it out! Grokenstein Feb 2022 #47
Took me awhile to find them BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #48
My take is they are bluffing but believe their own bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #2
They're a rogue state anyway, already threatening to unleash nuclear war. Would any arms deal work? TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #16
Yeah, yeah, yeah! Ooh, we're quaking in our boots....NOT! This middle finger is for you and Pootie! machoneman Feb 2022 #3
I like to raise... Wuddles440 Feb 2022 #27
TRFG threatens the West? ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2022 #4
Congratulations Russia EarlG Feb 2022 #5
+1.. good analogy..nt mitch96 Feb 2022 #13
That Same Thought Occured To Me Yesterday DallasNE Feb 2022 #15
+1. Great metaphor. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #20
Perfect analogy. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #29
Yes! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #36
Translation... orwell Feb 2022 #6
Well put. paleotn Feb 2022 #9
Maybe so .... FakeNoose Feb 2022 #10
If you are right... orwell Feb 2022 #14
I think Putin is deranged. He has created his own version of history and rambled everywhere Lonestarblue Feb 2022 #21
Allllll of this! chowder66 Feb 2022 #11
Well hell your leader already said he would use nuclear warfare anyways . ... Lovie777 Feb 2022 #7
Problem with that is, they need the west far more than the west needs them. paleotn Feb 2022 #8
YEP. They sound desperate Obvious85 Feb 2022 #18
Nailed it!! PortTack Feb 2022 #30
China is watching the response from the west BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #34
Putin has turned the WHOLE WORLD against him and this WILL be his downfall Obvious85 Feb 2022 #17
New: Russia has sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine over the past 24 hours along yaesu Feb 2022 #19
Worrisome for the ppl of Ukraine PortTack Feb 2022 #31
Must not be going the way he'd expected. Many Russian people won't like this oldsoftie Feb 2022 #54
as an update just heard a while ago on CNN or NBC that pooty is calling up reservists, he must be yaesu Feb 2022 #56
I read that Putin has now basically gone beyond reservist . . . toopers Feb 2022 #60
Putin's real goal is making Ukraine another Belarus. MarcA Feb 2022 #22
Will not work in Ukraine. Justice matters. Feb 2022 #49
Russian asshole, go fuck yourself relayerbob Feb 2022 #23
Looks like a self-own IronLionZion Feb 2022 #24
Maybe they'll freeze tfg's assets. louis-t Feb 2022 #25
"We'll start doing it officially instead of throwing them out a window" dalton99a Feb 2022 #26
No kidding! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #39
They seem to be doing the ultimate "hostage" situation BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #40
That's very close to Belarus... Justice matters. Feb 2022 #50
Having tanks and other heavy vehicles driving around in that exclusion zone BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #52
They were affected by the original disaster too oldsoftie Feb 2022 #55
Going back out into the cold. Solly Mack Feb 2022 #28
I work with several naturalized citizens who were born in Russia and Ukraine. They are Ziggysmom Feb 2022 #37
It's the kicked dog that squeals the loudest. Midnight Writer Feb 2022 #38
So Russia threatens to shoot herself in the foot to get even with those mean Western democracies. Martin68 Feb 2022 #41
The frenzied scratchings of a cornered rat. NT. anamnua Feb 2022 #42
Go home Medvedev Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #43
Look out, we got a bad ass here! Grokenstein Feb 2022 #44
We will huff and puff, Bayard Feb 2022 #45
Russia has an economy smaller than Italy Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #46
Hey! We've got a Moscow Dmitry now... Justice matters. Feb 2022 #51
In the immortal words of Gen McAuliffe, "NUTS! oldsoftie Feb 2022 #53
I hope if Putin chooses to attack nato Matthew28 Feb 2022 #57
When the world stands against Russia AnnetteChaffee Feb 2022 #58
The true colors of Russian hypocrisy is being revealed to everyone. Every day, Russia and their SWBTATTReg Feb 2022 #59
 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
1. Not much point in having nuclear deals with a war criminal. Not
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:05 AM
Feb 2022

Likely to adhere to them anyway.
Don't give a damn about the other stuff.

Scrivener7

(50,919 posts)
12. Yes! Also, Russia is a financial pee wee. Their economy is half the size
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:15 AM
Feb 2022

of California's.

Which indicates that Western assets in the country might not amount to much, and their freezing of those assets is pretty lame.

Also, it indicates that our financial sanctions are devastating to them.

BumRushDaShow

(128,526 posts)
32. Someone posted this in a thread last week and I kept a copy
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:27 PM
Feb 2022


(from here - https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-the-94-trillion-world-economy-in-one-chart/)

Russia is over in the green section along the edge of the circle next to the word "Europe".

BumRushDaShow

(128,526 posts)
35. Yeah you have to really hunt through that to find them
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:36 PM
Feb 2022


Luckily the org that created that image put them in an easy place to find them by having the green section's text identifier of "Europe" right next to where the Russia section is carved out.

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
47. Thanks for pointing it out!
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:02 PM
Feb 2022

I just immediately started playing "Where's Vlado?" and was starting to get frustrated. What a fearsome powerhouse!

BumRushDaShow

(128,526 posts)
48. Took me awhile to find them
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:21 PM
Feb 2022

but luckily there is a geographic category label for each colored section, and in this case, the "Europe" text on the outside of the circle by the green section, is right next to where the Russia carve-out is.

bucolic_frolic

(43,063 posts)
2. My take is they are bluffing but believe their own
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:06 AM
Feb 2022

shit, and they believe the west, particularly America, is divided and cannot sustain the pressure. They think Tucker-MAGA will divide and weaken us to the point of inaction. And it might not be until 2025.

TheBlackAdder

(28,168 posts)
16. They're a rogue state anyway, already threatening to unleash nuclear war. Would any arms deal work?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:23 AM
Feb 2022

.

They already violated their agreement not to invade Ukraine.

.

Wuddles440

(1,120 posts)
27. I like to raise...
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:48 AM
Feb 2022

both middle fingers every time they flash Pootie's beady eyed puss on the screen and follow it up with finger gun shots to his nasty, little head.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,730 posts)
4. TRFG threatens the West?
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:06 AM
Feb 2022

The Russian Former Guy thinks he can threaten the West?

The numbers are not in your favor, Dmitry! Get a grip on reality.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
15. That Same Thought Occured To Me Yesterday
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:20 AM
Feb 2022

And the brave people taking to the streets in Moscow are sending a contrarian message as well, not to mention the 2 paratrooper aircraft shot down and the column of Russian equipment completely destroyed. How many body bags will be enough?

orwell

(7,769 posts)
6. Translation...
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:07 AM
Feb 2022

...we are getting our asses kicked.

We are being exposed for the impotent tyrants we are.

They already played the nuclear weapons card...a sign of impotence.

Now they are threatening sanctions with an economy smaller than California and a massive economic and social uprising against them worldwide.

YOU ARE NOW TOXIC MOTHERFUCKERS! Put a concrete dome over yourselves. You and Chernobyl can join the world when you are no longer radioactive.

Go back to your fucking bunker...

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
10. Maybe so ....
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:11 AM
Feb 2022

... or maybe they're telling us they're on a suicide mission?

I don't believe the Russian people have any interest in that, but Pootie might be crazier than we all know.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
21. I think Putin is deranged. He has created his own version of history and rambled everywhere
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:32 AM
Feb 2022

in that last speech. Sanctions need to include cutoff from SWIFT. Russian oligarchs will then have a decision to make—go down with Putin or get rid of him and restore Russia to their usual playground of stealing Russian assets (though there may be none left to steal by now) but more importantly to them continuing their international drug and sex trafficking rackets and their ability to launder the profits in other countries.

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
8. Problem with that is, they need the west far more than the west needs them.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:08 AM
Feb 2022

The alternative is they become a wholly owned subsidiary of "corporate China." And the last arms race worked out so well for them. NOT. Putin is talking out of his ass again.

BumRushDaShow

(128,526 posts)
34. China is watching the response from the west
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:32 PM
Feb 2022

because they have their sites on Taiwan and have been "practicing" a similar invasion of that island for years (even though Taiwan lists themselves as "ROC" ).

Which is probably why they abstained from the Security Council vote (basically invoking their oft - "We don't want to get involved in the internal affairs of other countries" thought process).

Obvious85

(259 posts)
17. Putin has turned the WHOLE WORLD against him and this WILL be his downfall
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:27 AM
Feb 2022

So Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev, S T F U

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
19. New: Russia has sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine over the past 24 hours along
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:29 AM
Feb 2022

"all three lines" of advance: senior U.S. defense official.

Putin has called up reserves for the fighting, official



yaesu

(8,020 posts)
56. as an update just heard a while ago on CNN or NBC that pooty is calling up reservists, he must be
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:45 PM
Feb 2022

running out of enough boots on the ground for a continual fight.

toopers

(1,224 posts)
60. I read that Putin has now basically gone beyond reservist . . .
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 07:47 PM
Feb 2022

and is basically implementing a draft.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
22. Putin's real goal is making Ukraine another Belarus.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:37 AM
Feb 2022

Overthrow Zelensky and democracy by the use of assorted
criminals, authoritarians and oligarchs already in Ukraine and
making it another oligarchic client state. Putin gets another
buffer and the oligarchs get another enslaved population. Too
many elsewhere will accept this "peace".

Justice matters.

(6,921 posts)
49. Will not work in Ukraine.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:25 PM
Feb 2022

Better prepare themselves for street guerrilla 24/7. Ukrainians kicked the previous puppet regime's butts out of government and they will make the new puppets' life a bloody nightmare (until they'll either get the shaft or opt to run away like the previous thugs did).

It's easy to foresee the end result there. Sadly, too much blood will have to be spent to get back the democracy they enjoyed for too short a period.

Putin's thugs can't murder 44 million Ukrainians (approx.). He's delusional.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
24. Looks like a self-own
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 11:38 AM
Feb 2022

unless China is joining them, they don't have much to punish the west. Europe can find alternative energy for their heat. Spring is coming soon anyway.

BumRushDaShow

(128,526 posts)
40. They seem to be doing the ultimate "hostage" situation
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:12 PM
Feb 2022

by surrounding Chernobyl.

Concerns mount over conflict in Chernobyl exclusion zone

Radioactive material that lingers near Chernobyl could cause further calamity.

By Julia Jacobo
February 24, 2022, 5:22 PM



As Russian troops continue to inch their way through its invasion of Ukraine, a secondary catastrophe to the fighting between the ex-Soviet neighbors is possible: another nuclear reaction at Chernobyl.

On Thursday afternoon, Russian armed forces entered the deserted exclusion zone around the Chernobyl power plant, where the world's worst nuclear accident took place in 1986. By night, Russian forces had taken full control of the area, including the plant itself, according to Ukraine Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal.

The heavy fighting inside the "exclusion zone," a vast and empty land surrounding the Chernobyl nuclear plant that includes the ghost city of Pripyat, is causing concern that it could spark another nuclear disaster. International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Rafael Mariano is watching the situation with "grave concern, appealing for "maximum restraint" amid the conflict to avoid putting the nuclear facility at risk.

"It is of vital importance that the safe and secure operations of the nuclear facilities in that zone should not be affected or disrupted in any way," Mariano said in a statement. On April 26, 1986, reactor No. 4 at the power plant, about 65 miles north of the capital Kyiv, exploded, spewing enormous amounts of radioactive material into the atmosphere and causing more than 100,000 people in a 1,000-square-mile radius to evacuate.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/concerns-mount-fighting-chernobyl-exclusion-zone/story?id=83085943


Chernobyl: Radiation spike at nuclear plant seized by Russian forces

By Victoria Gill
Science correspondent, BBC News

1 day ago


The Chernobyl site contains several nuclear waste containment facilities to prevent radioactive materials spreading

A radiation spike has been recorded near Chernobyl's nuclear power plant which has been seized by Russian forces, monitoring data shows. Invading Russian troops took control of the plant - the site of the world's worst nuclear disaster in 1986 - on Thursday, Ukraine said. Radiation levels increased about 20-fold on Thursday, monitoring stations there reported.

But experts say another major nuclear disaster there is "extremely unlikely". The rise was caused by heavy military vehicles stirring contaminated soil in the 4,000-sq-km (2,485 sq-mile) exclusion zone surrounding the abandoned plant, Ukraine's State Nuclear Regulatory Inspectorate reported .

The biggest spike was recorded close to the damaged reactor. Radiation levels are continuously monitored there - measured as a dose that you would receive per hour in a location.

Close to the reactor, you would normally receive a dose of about three units - called microsieverts - every hour. But on Thursday, that jumped to 65 microSv/hrs - about five times more than you would get on one transatlantic flight.



(snip)



https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60528828







Early on, there was some dismissal of what had happened in Fukushima Daiichi after the earthquake and tsunami (and that was 11 years ago)... and we saw what happened after that. In the case of Chernobyl, the core is still burning within its containment.

BumRushDaShow

(128,526 posts)
52. Having tanks and other heavy vehicles driving around in that exclusion zone
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:44 PM
Feb 2022

is kicking up all that old radiation-infused soil. The area was finally starting to recover some vegetation and animal life that weren't mutated beyond recognition and now this happens.



Ziggysmom

(3,399 posts)
37. I work with several naturalized citizens who were born in Russia and Ukraine. They are
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 12:38 PM
Feb 2022

scared to death for their friends and family in Ukraine & Russia. They say nobody wants war; people living there don't want any conflict. They tell me very few real people in Russia support Putin, but they fear him. They all feel he wants to reestablish the former Soviet Union,

What kind of delusional pariah is he?

Martin68

(22,768 posts)
41. So Russia threatens to shoot herself in the foot to get even with those mean Western democracies.
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:15 PM
Feb 2022

Go for it, dudes!

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
44. Look out, we got a bad ass here!
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 01:58 PM
Feb 2022

Better play nice or his master will unite his broken country against the (checks notes) rest of the planet! ...Except that a huge portion of his own people also openly oppose this invasion, but never mind! He'll make us all sorry!

This is how you can tell the invasion has faceplanted. Tragically there will be thousands of casualties yet to come because thickheads never know when to stop (or not start), but he's throwing this tantrum out of desperation.

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
45. We will huff and puff,
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 02:00 PM
Feb 2022

And blow our own house down!

The nukes worry me. Putin is just crazy enough to drop them, or even shoot them over here, if it looks like he's going to lose. Like TFG, his ego can't take it. Consequences for the world be damned.

Matthew28

(1,796 posts)
57. I hope if Putin chooses to attack nato
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 04:52 PM
Feb 2022

I hope if Putin chooses to attack nato that we're ready to go all the way to Moscow and overthrow putin! Nothing less will stop this bastard. We don't let a rabid dog walk around freely in our neighborhoods and we shouldn't accept this either.


AnnetteChaffee

(1,979 posts)
58. When the world stands against Russia
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 06:44 PM
Feb 2022

They will fold. It may cost us at the gas pump, but you know what? The last two years have taught us that there is more to life. Many of us have decided that we want to work from home, that our world is worth saving and have opted for vanpooling - there are ways to live while reducing our carbon footprint and its about damn time that we all step up and start taking responsibility for our planet. We have an abundance of wind, sunlight - its time to invest in our resources and stop depending on what is beneath the earth.

If not us, then who?
If not now, then when?

The past two years have changed us. We have learned that life is precious and can be gone or changed in the blink of an eye. I stand with Ukraine - protect your home! We are with you in spirit all the way!

I love seeing nearly the entire WORLD standing against the forces of evil inside Russia. When we all stand together we will win.

Namaste, annette

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
59. The true colors of Russian hypocrisy is being revealed to everyone. Every day, Russia and their
Sat Feb 26, 2022, 07:42 PM
Feb 2022

current leaders dig a deeper and deeper hole for themselves, against the rest of the world (it's looking more and more like this).

Russia has stepped big time, in doggie poo.

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