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ificandream

(9,372 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:13 PM Mar 2022

John Bolton: Trump Cared More About a "Spaghetti Bowl of Conspiracy Theories" Than Ukraine

Source: Mother Jones/By David Corn

As Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion kills Ukrainian civilians and raises fear of nuclear war, Donald Trump and his minions have repeatedly insisted that this war would have never happened had Trump won a second term. That, says former ambassador John Bolton, is bunk. In an interview with Mother Jones this week, Bolton, who was Trump’s national security adviser from 2018 to 2019, discussed Trump’s lack of concern for Ukraine during his White House tenure; Trump’s odd relationship with Putin; Bolton’s decision not to testify during the first Trump impeachment; a big secret about Trump that Bolton is not at liberty to fully reveal; and more.

Bolton noted that when he served in the White House, Trump paid “very little attention” to Ukraine “until the summer of 2019 when [Trump] realized that he could have the possibility of holding up the obligation and delivery of substantial security assistance [to Ukraine] in an effort to get access to the Hillary Clinton computer server that he felt was in Ukraine, finding out about Hunter Biden’s income in Ukraine, and all of these things in this spaghetti bowl of conspiracy theories. That was the first time he really focused” on Ukraine. By this point, Putin had for years been backing pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine who were fighting government troops and Ukrainian militias. Yet Trump was more concerned with the nutty and unfounded notion pushed by right-wing conspiracists that the Democratic National Committee computer servers hacked by Russian cyber-operatives in 2016 were somehow whisked away to Ukraine to cover-up purported Ukrainian intervention in the election. According to Bolton, Trump really believed this Alex Jones-ish crap.

“I had any number of conversations with Trump, with [Rudy] Giuliani, with others about these theories that frankly I never could understand. I couldn’t get to the bottom of them. They didn’t connect with one another. They were based on some guy who told some other guy something that the President was determined to track down.”
Trump’s fixation on this bizarre conspiracy theory and his ravenous desire to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden in Ukraine, Bolton recalled, “made it hard for the rest of us who were concerned about the instability that we saw in Ukraine and eastern Europe generally because of the Russian threat to get anything much done on it.” He noted that during the NATO summit in the summer of 2018, Trump was close to announcing a US withdrawal from the military alliance. This disrupted the entire meeting and prevented a full discussion of one of the major topics on the agenda: Ukraine.

When Trump looked at Ukraine, he only saw servers, Bidens, and schemes. This, Bolton said, rendered it difficult “to get any focused presidential-level attention to the issue” of Ukraine’s security and its conflict with Russia. Moreover, Bolton recounted, he couldn’t even follow what Trump was saying about Ukraine and all this supposed skullduggery: “I had any number of conversations with Trump, with [Rudy] Giuliani, with others about these theories that frankly I never could understand. I couldn’t get to the bottom of them. They didn’t connect with one another. They were based on some guy who told some other guy something that the President was determined to track down… And you couldn’t really discuss the subject of Ukraine or the threat posed by Russia…without very quickly the conversation completely diverting to these other subjects.”

Read more: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/john-bolton-donald-trump-ukraine-russia-putin/



One thing the story says further in that goes beyond the four-paragraph limit is that Bolton says Trump asked Chinese president Xi Jinping for help in winning the election. Bolton says he'd have used Trump's quote in his book, but it was disallowed.
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John Bolton: Trump Cared More About a "Spaghetti Bowl of Conspiracy Theories" Than Ukraine (Original Post) ificandream Mar 2022 OP
And at the same election time they were dropping hints that China was helping Biden bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #1
Satan is driving an infernal Zamboni - I actually hate Bolton less than I hate Barr. Ocelot II Mar 2022 #2
Agree! karin_sj Mar 2022 #4
I see what you did here Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2022 #22
Can I be the first to say BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #3
I am the 2nd to say, "FUCK BOLTON".. Stuart G Mar 2022 #5
I would also say Fuck Bolton; but I'd add, Fuck Barr Even Harder, Ocelot II Mar 2022 #6
I'll second that. Wish he would of spokeupwhen it mattered. captain queeg Mar 2022 #8
Oh he was doing all kinds of P.R. "talking" and dropping hints BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #14
So what is the big secret about Trump and China's Xi that cannot be revealed? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #7
Lemme guess Retrograde Mar 2022 #10
The government has been keeping Trump's connections to Putin and Xi secret. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #13
He wanted Xi to hack the 2020 election so he would be sure to win. hedda_foil Mar 2022 #16
Why are the exact words classified but not the paraphrased version? Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #18
A power play by the Trump admin? ificandream Mar 2022 #32
"Russia, if you're listening.." what a fucked up person. n/t TeamProg Mar 2022 #9
Bolton ended by saying he didn't support a military action. JohnnyRingo Mar 2022 #11
"Bolton ended by saying he didn't support a military action." BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #19
KnR Hekate Mar 2022 #12
If Trump ever runs for anything again... Moostache Mar 2022 #15
Yup. ificandream Mar 2022 #31
tfcf is an Evil Monster Spawn Cha Mar 2022 #17
Coward They_Live Mar 2022 #20
They both think alike. BidenRocks Mar 2022 #21
But... appmanga Mar 2022 #23
WHY do we keep hearing from that POS Bolton Skittles Mar 2022 #24
I actually think it's good we hear from him and others from Trump's admin who realize he was an ass. ificandream Mar 2022 #30
"Xi, in a one-on-one conversation with Trump, said China... LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #25
Both musclecar6 Mar 2022 #33
Or a taco bowl of them, if you will peppertree Mar 2022 #26
kinda like this... trusty elf Mar 2022 #27
The pasta is done. It is sticking to the walls. twodogsbarking Mar 2022 #28
Thank you Captain Obvious. Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #29
Putin installed Trump specifically to enable his Ukraine plot. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #34

karin_sj

(810 posts)
4. Agree!
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:30 PM
Mar 2022

Barr said he'd vote for Trump again if he was the candidate against the democrat—even after everything he knew about how horrible he was (and is). These people are truly disgusting. As awful as Bolton is, I don't think he'd vote for the orange buffoon again.

BumRushDaShow

(129,009 posts)
3. Can I be the first to say
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:19 PM
Mar 2022

fuck Bolton. He had his opportunity to speak out but like the neocon he is, and one intent on making $$$ off the book that he was publishing at the time, he refused to testify.

Ocelot II

(115,693 posts)
6. I would also say Fuck Bolton; but I'd add, Fuck Barr Even Harder,
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:37 PM
Mar 2022

because after ranting about what an incompetent lunatic he considers TFG to be, he'd vote for him again anyhow.

captain queeg

(10,198 posts)
8. I'll second that. Wish he would of spokeupwhen it mattered.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:40 PM
Mar 2022

Isn’t he the one that told Rudy he didn’t want to be involved in his little drug deals? He wasn’t speaking literally but just about their dirty little hidden scams.

BumRushDaShow

(129,009 posts)
14. Oh he was doing all kinds of P.R. "talking" and dropping hints
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:02 PM
Mar 2022

except when it came time for the subpoena to testify at one of the impeachment hearings and his response was that he was following McGahn's lead and "waiting" for the courts to decide (re: whether Congressional subpoenas were "valid" and in McGahn's case, his was a subpoena for testimony in the Mueller probe)..

Lawyer indicates Bolton won’t testify in impeachment probe


By MARK SHERMANOctober 31, 2019


WASHINGTON (AP) — The lawyer for former national security adviser John Bolton signaled Thursday that Bolton will not testify anytime soon in the House impeachment inquiry.

Democratic lawmakers want to hear next week from Bolton over the administration’s approach to Ukraine that is central to House proceedings that could lead to the impeachment of President Donald Trump. Charles Cooper, Bolton’s lawyer, was in federal court Thursday on behalf of another client whose testimony the House also wants.

The client is former Bolton deputy Charles Kupperman, who wants a federal judge to resolve whether he can be forced to testify since he was a close adviser to Trump.

Cooper said Bolton could be added to the case, which is before U.S. District Judge Richard Leon. Cooper has previously said that Bolton would not testify voluntarily. A House-issued subpoena would put him in the exact same situation as Kupperman.

(snip)

https://apnews.com/article/f472a849cfba4a39a903cd251af06e3c


And then when the outcome of that happened, nope nope nope.

Bolton’s attorney says McGahn court ruling doesn’t force his client to testify

Politics Nov 26, 2019 11:38 AM EST

WASHINGTON (AP) — John Bolton’s attorney is suggesting that a court order directing White House counsel Don McGahn to testify to Congress has no bearing on whether his client and another ex-national security official will also appear.

Charles Cooper issued a statement Tuesday, a day after a federal judge ruled that McGahn must comply with a subpoena related to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. Cooper represents Bolton, the former national security adviser, and Bolton’s former deputy, Charles Kupperman.

Kupperman has sued, seeking a court order on whether he must comply with a congressional subpoena in the impeachment inquiry or White House instructions that he not appear.

Cooper said Kupperman would continue to pursue his lawsuit.

(snip)

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/boltons-attorney-says-mcgahn-court-ruling-doesnt-force-his-client-to-testify


Irish_Dem

(47,081 posts)
7. So what is the big secret about Trump and China's Xi that cannot be revealed?
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:38 PM
Mar 2022

The information is too sensitive Bolton says.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
10. Lemme guess
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:45 PM
Mar 2022

Xi pays off Donnie - that's why Princess Sparkle Pony got all those pattens? Xi has dirt on Trump (doesn't every leader)? Trump got kickbacks from Xi?

Irish_Dem

(47,081 posts)
13. The government has been keeping Trump's connections to Putin and Xi secret.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:55 PM
Mar 2022

So I agree; everything you say is likely to be true.

I think there is probably proof that Xi and Putin both helped Trump get "elected."

And that is what is deemed as a threat to national security. What ever Bolton has should be made public.
I think hiding the truth is what is hurting national security.

And yes money was given to Trump by Xi too.

China and Putin want to change the world order, they want to be the dominant superpowers.
They must destroy democracies and install autocratic governments as the norm.
The GOP is glad to work with them on this goal.

hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
16. He wanted Xi to hack the 2020 election so he would be sure to win.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:07 PM
Mar 2022

Bolton says so but didn't use TFG's exact words because the government review wouldn't allow it.

JohnnyRingo

(18,631 posts)
11. Bolton ended by saying he didn't support a military action.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:46 PM
Mar 2022
John Bolton says he doesn't want to join a war.

That right there is a headline, but he praised heavier sanctions, specifically their oil export.
Joe Biden announced today that's exactly what we're going to do.

BumRushDaShow

(129,009 posts)
19. "Bolton ended by saying he didn't support a military action."
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:36 PM
Mar 2022

It's breathtaking that Mr. Number One NeoCon Extraordinaire™ doesn't "support military action".

BBC News World Edition

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was founded in 1997 by the right wing thinkers William Kristol and Robert Kagan. This group is arguably one of the most influential in Washington and is thought to have a significant influence on - or at least to reflect - much of George Bush's view of the world.

The PNAC believes that America should use its power to shape the world and further American interests across the world - by military means if necessary. It has some high profile sympathisers including US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, the under-secretary of state for Arms Control and International Security and Richard Perle .

America's defence

All of these people were among a group of 18 who signed a letter from the PNAC to Bill Clinton in 1998 urging him to topple Saddam's regime. The most important document produced by the group was published In September 2000, as Mr Bush was running for the presidency.

The report called "Rebuilding America's Defences" said that America's goal should be to "promote American global leadership". It called for increased defence spending coupled with a strong foreign policy which promotes American democracy across the globe - all hallmarks of the current US foreign policy.

(snip)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3032147.stm




https://archive.org/download/ProjectForANewAmericanCenturyRebuildingAmericasDefenses/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
15. If Trump ever runs for anything again...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:04 PM
Mar 2022

There should be a campaign ad made that is his audio with Zelenskyy - extortion for dirt on Biden in exchange for approved military aid from America - overlaid with the most graphic footage of the current masacre in Ukraine.

There should be absolutely zero space between Trump and Putin in the minds of the world when it comes to who is to blame for the lives being taken hourly right now.

Fuck them both with rusty garden tools forever. Followed by rubbing alcohol rinses.

BidenRocks

(827 posts)
21. They both think alike.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:57 PM
Mar 2022

What's in it for me!?

TFG would have pulled us out of NATO on the first day.
Here ya go Vlad. Anything else?
Our COMSEC codes? Visit my office.

appmanga

(571 posts)
23. But...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 09:42 PM
Mar 2022

...if you ask him, he'd tell you he'd still vote for that ignorant criminal jackass. Just like Bill "Fred Flintstone" Barr. These sick fucks would put party and ideology before democracy any day.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
24. WHY do we keep hearing from that POS Bolton
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 09:44 PM
Mar 2022

oh, right, BECAUSE BUSH INC WAS NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR LYING THEIR WAY INTO A WAR

ificandream

(9,372 posts)
30. I actually think it's good we hear from him and others from Trump's admin who realize he was an ass.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:56 AM
Mar 2022

The fact that these people are exposing Trump may not convert as many of his sheep as we might like initially, but it proves that we were right all along. And I think the message is getting through, however slowly. The Fake station's wall is not impenetrable.

LudwigPastorius

(9,145 posts)
25. "Xi, in a one-on-one conversation with Trump, said China...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 11:22 PM
Mar 2022

...was constructing concentration camps for the Uighurs, and Trump said Xi should go ahead with it."

Trump is completely down with genocide.

I used to think that those who said Trump would gladly round up Democrats and exterminate them were engaging in hyperbole. ...that even HE wouldn't go that far.

No more.

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