Russia Says They Won't Overthrow Zelensky, Occupy Ukraine

[ificandream]

Source: Newsweek

Russia has said it does not intend to overthrow President Volodymyr Zelensky's government nor occupy Ukraine.

Using the Kremlin terminology for the war, Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said the goals of Russia's "special military operation" were "the protection" of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics in the Donbas region.

The areas in the eastern part of Ukraine have been the scene of conflict since 2014, following Russia's seizure of Crimea.

Russia was also pursuing the "demilitarization and denazification" of Ukraine, she said, and sought to eliminate the military threat Ukraine posed to Russia due to its ties with NATO.



Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-says-they-won-t-overthrow-zelensky-occupy-ukraine/ar-AAUPQv9?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

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[Cracklin Charlie]

1. Declare victory and go home.

Mission accomplished?

Maybe just too much losing.

[JohnSJ]

2. and they have been so truthful all along.

[jrthin]

13. Exactly. Their (putin) lips are moving, they are lying.

[mitch96]

17. +1. They lie to suit the situation...nt

[sarge43]

66. Oh great, another bridge for sale.

Fool us once... well, you know.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

67. They being truthful that their economy is in ruins in less than a fortnight...and the people

have noticed in Siberia and Moscow.

More than one way to win a war in an interlocked economy world.

[Nevilledog]

3. So that means they want to overthrow Zelensky and take Ukraine completely

It's always the opposite of what they say.

[ificandream]

5. You're probably right ....

[StClone]

32. So Pootey says he will use Nukes

AAAAAAAInnnnt!

No, he will not blow himself up. If a guy so survival-orientated to have escaped six assassination attempts, hides in a germaphobe haven and sits at one end of a 40-foot table, is to be believed.

No, this guy is afraid of losing control of his fate (death) and will not kill himself.

[notinkansas]

65. putin may not by lieing about Zelensky.

He would much prefer to have him killed than overthrown.

[Wingus Dingus]

4. Part of me thinks it's bullshit to trick Zelensky into dropping his guard.

No, all of me thinks it's bullshit.

[PatSeg]

35. Yes, when has Putin ever told the truth?

How stupid does he think the rest of the world is?

[orwell]

6. Utter bullshit...

...get the fuck out war criminals.

[zuul]

7. Putin does 'not intend to overthrow President Volodymyr Zelensky.'

Right, he plans to assassinate him.

Seriously, does anyone believe anything from Putin the Poisoner?

[NYC Liberal]

31. And then Russia will kindly "facilitate" an election.

[GETTINGTIRED]

8. well

when the rest of the world breaks yu off.

what else yu gonna say.

[musclecar6]

9. Putin

And his mouthpieces are just lying dirtbags, one and all.

[BeyondGeography]

10. True...that was the Wagner Group's job

[C_U_L8R]

11. Such awful liars. They convince no one except their own magats (and ours).

[lagomorph777]

12. That's correct.

Because Ukraine is going to crush the invasion, with help from the rest of the world.

[Ray Bruns]

14. They also said the troops on the Ukrainian border were there for "exercises".

They also said they weren't going to invade Ukraine.

How long are we going to listen to this BS.

[ananda]

15. This is classic gaslighting and doublespeak.

IOW, bullshit.

[bdamomma]

48. it is used

on the Russians PROPAGANDA, daily, cause it works.

Sickening.

[Gore1FL]

16. Ukraine shouldn't stop until they have all of their territory back. nt

[ToxMarz]

21. And sanctions should not end until they have paid

to repair all the damage they have done to Ukraine and make its people whole again.

[marie999]

49. What countries since the end of WWII have done that?

[ToxMarz]

64. I don't know

That's not my benchmark.

[pandr32]

63. At least

But, I think we should cripple Russia until they get rid of Putin. He is a menace to the world. Perhaps a little strip-down of their nuclear weapons, too, in order to make it safer.
Most of all, it is past time to dump fossil fuels and go all in for renewables.

[nycbos]

18. Yeah

And I have several MLB scouts looking at me because of my curveball.

[Ray Bruns]

19. And I have a bridge in New York for sale, and the check is in the mail.

[AZLD4Candidate]

27. An I'm selling a plane ticket. Still good . . . only used once!

[mahina]

69. I have the world RBI record

Give me a minute and I can even show you on Wikipedia

[lark]

20. Lies, all lies, just like the humanitarian corridors.

They are calling Zelensky a Nazi and saying that denazification is their goal but yet lying out the other side of their mouths and saying they won't remove Zelensky. Maybe they plan to murder him, not REMOVE him? Seems like a typical Putin lie.

[JudyM]

24. And Putin called us "hysterical" for assuming he was going to invade when his troops were massing on

the border.

Lest we forget his Big Lie. He thinks western democracies are as stupid as MAGAts.

[lark]

26. He thinks we all are Magats or minorities or gays cause drumpf told him that.

You know he doesn't count the later 2.

[bdamomma]

50. Or may be Putin believes

we are under Tucker Carlson's swill of lies. Russia loves Tucker. Even Russia has their MRGA (make russia great again) followers

[Botany]

22. If these # of Russian dead are correct it shows that if you are a Russian soldier you have a ...

.... 5.5% chance of dying if you get sent to Ukriane.

11,000 Russians kia in Ukraine / 200,000 # of Russian troops = .55 = 5.5%



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Thanx to DUer AntiFascist for posting this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142884076

Another Russian general, Andrei Sukhovetsky, also a deputy commander of the 41st army, was reported killed at the end of February.

Ukraine says its forces have killed more than 11,000 Russian troops. Russia has confirmed about 500 losses.

Read more: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-07/second-russian-general-killed-in-war-ukraine-says

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Tell those lying mother fuckers they need to go home and that includes Crimea and the other "free states"
that Putin just declared as not part of the Ukraine.

[XacerbatedDem]

23. "Da, and vonce President Volodymyr Zelensky's back in power, Ve vill invite him to tea."

[Happy Hoosier]

25. Been hearing musings....

That Russia will attempt to solidify gains and end the conflict.

The West is so fearful of a confrontation with Russia, many think we'd be willing to let him do that.

If we do, it will be a failure of historic proportions.

[TeamProg]

52. Ukraine will fight back for those eastern regions until Russia turns them to rubble.

Then what will those "separatist regions" have left??

Nice going Putin !

[Happy Hoosier]

54. I do think Ukraine now knows that appeasement will never work.

What about NATO and the US?

At this point, I'd put money on the bed-wetters denying Ukraine NATO membership.

[Strelnikov_]

82. Guess I'm a bed-wetter then.

The first task is to get this turned off. If that requires a piece of paper saying NATO double promises Ukraine will not be allowed in NATO, so be it.

After the fighting is turned off, Ukraine gets flooded with defensive weaponry. When Russian leadership changes, Ukraine gets Crimea and the eastern regions back, or such.

Russia cannot project power. Their military is broken. However, they can still destroy a lot of Ukraine and kill a lot of Ukrainians in the process of losing.

And while you are throwing around names, I see a lot of chicken-hawk rhetoric lately around here. Reminds me of right-wingers during the gulf war. It's easy to say a country should keep on fighting when it is not you or your country doing the fighting.


War is a continuum that can spin out of control. It needs to be turned off. Then pick up the pieces afterward.

[Happy Hoosier]

83. If turning it off means giving Putin what he wants

Then I am not supportive.

Ukraine would be insane to not seek a defensive alliance at this point and NATO would be cowardly to promise it.

If Putin achieves his goals here we will get more of this in the future. I said so in 2014. I was right. I am saying so again.

[sakabatou]

28. And I'm the queen of England.

[Raven123]

29. No, they plan to kill Zelensky, and destroy Ukraine.

[Justice matters.]

30. Murdering civilians, including children, babies, women, elders is "denazification"??

Methinks Maria Zakharova should be tried at Nuremberg II...

"we were just following orders" will not save her necklace.

[Beastly Boy]

33. But they fully expect Zelensky to slip on a banana peal and accidentally break his neck,

or fall out of a fifth story window, and Russian troops getting lost in the Ukrainian woods and cities and not find their way out.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. It's shite intended for Russian sheeple kept in media darkness. . . . nt

[Eyeball_Kid]

36. If any news comes from Russia, it's a lie.

Russia's been trying unsuccessfully to assassinate Zelenskyy. That's a fact. Russia's clear intent is to overthrow UKR and install a puppet regime. How anyone would ever believe Russian lies is beyond comprehension. Russia has no credibility and can't be trusted to broadcast the correct calendar date. They lie while they slaughter.

[modrepub]

37. Watch What They Do

Not what they say. Those missiles and bombs should tell everyone what they need to know.

[SunSeeker]

78. Exactly. Russia just bombed a Ukraine maternity hospital.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-europe-2bed71c00916d44ea951c5809b446db3?user_email=af4a3b628578e24fe3cc001524281964ec2742242ba6399b7768d46e524c3cce&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Russia%20Ukraine%20March%209&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers

The pictures at the link are horrific.

[Ford_Prefect]

38. If no one with any experience of his previous lies will believe this to whom are they saying it.

It is one more restatement of the transparent lies made to facilitate further oppression but who is it intended to gull now?

Ukraine won't believe it, nor will Europe, nor will we.

[Jetheels]

39. Yeah right, and all the carpet bombing of Ukraine he was "just kidding". n/t

[bringthePaine]

40. read as: "Putzin does not intend to keep getting his ass kicked, no matter what"

[Samrob]

41. Oh, sure. It didn't go a Putty hoped. That is all. He is having a Trumpian moment. nt

[bdamomma]

42. Tell us another lie

you are committing GENOCIDE ON UKRAINE.


Get lost, and stop pacifying that POS Putin.

[IronLionZion]

43. They also said they won't invade, won't bomb civilian apartments, etc.

[barbtries]

44. transparent bullshit

in my opinion. no credibility left

[Initech]

45. I wouldn't trust Pooty for half a second!

He's literally this guy:

[underpants]

46. I wanted my response to the OP's story to be measured and

This is what I came up with

[Initech]

47. I like that one!

[relayerbob]

51. We have a bridge for sale

[Mr. Sparkle]

53. russia is like the trump presidency press office

assume the opposite is true

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

55. re: "...Won't Overthrow Zelensky, Occupy Ukraine"

I am so tired of what governments say, especially that one.

Since they said that they wouldn't invade, what exactly are they doing there now?
Does anyone believe what they say? If yes, I have an island I like to sell them just East of NYC.

[2Gingersnaps]

56. De-natzification? *****Horseshit Wilbur!****

Correct me if I am wrong (and I know you will ) Russia was every bit as antisemitic as Germany during WWII. The history books I read had Jewish bodies stacked like cord wood back when they were "our allies." Once an FSB agent, always an FSB agent.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

57. The only good end for putellinni is mulch. n/t

[BMW2020RT]

58. Someone needs to give the Stop the Steal team a compendium of their stories.

They are terrible at keeping them straight.

[BlueIdaho]

59. You can't trust anything a fucking Russian says

They are all a bunch of brutal liars. Fuck them.

[OMGWTF]

60. Lying Liars and the Lies they Tell. Fk off Russia -- we know who you are.

[Turbineguy]

61. "would you believe...."

"We we were just there looking for a sandwich and things got out of hand!"

[Calista241]

62. They could declare victory after taking Mariupol.

That would give them their land bridge to the Crimea. But they have to take Mariupol first, as without it, there's a giant city in the way of their land bridge.

My impression is that they want Odessa though. Odessa is a bigger, more valuable, and more important port city.

[orangecrush]

68. Horseshit

[dlk]

70. If given the opportunity, they will assassinate Zelensky

No matter what they say.

[Snackshack]

71. Really...

If that’s the case then withdraw troop and end this…or at least plug Chernobyl back in.

[colorado_ufo]

72. Yeah.

Right.

[Bengus81]

73. Give Putin a couple of Ukraine Mikey D's franchises if he'll leave..........

[Nasruddin]

74. Gaslighting

By the people who pump all the gas.
FFS.

[LudwigPastorius]

75. Putin setting up conditions to temporarily end his bloodbath...

Those conditions being, "Give me everything east of the Dnieper river, and you get to keep your president and the name of your country for the rest".

Putin will insist that he's not lying, because the chunk of Ukraine he wants to take (which includes that sweet, sweet wheat-producing region) will become part of Russia...thus, they won't be occupying Ukraine!

[electric_blue68]

94. I thought the wheat growing area is west of Kyiv?

[LudwigPastorius]

95. There is some, but the prize is southeast.

...and a nice chunk in Odesa.

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[electric_blue68]

96. Oh! Well, then... Thanks

[paulkienitz]

76. Putrin is looking for a way out

It sounds like he's getting desperate for a way to declare victory and leave.

[Strelnikov_]

80. Agree. And Ukraine needs to take him up on it.

If Ukraine can get the trial balloon floated the other day, claimed regions in the east and Crimea to the Russians, Ukraine neutrality (promise not to join Nato), they should take it.

Why? Because the longer this goes on, the more of their country will be destroyed and their citizens killed. And, primarily, because time is on their side.

Russia has revealed themselves to be a paper tiger from a conventional forces standpoint. Continuing sanctions, and the endemic corruption, will prevent any meaningful rebuilding of Russia's conventional capabilities from the sorry state it is in today. They have no way to project power.

The west, on the other hand, can flood Ukraine with defensive weaponry, being crew served anti-tank and anti-aircraft systems, and modern air defense capabilities.

Over time, Russian leadership will change. At that time, as part of the deal for the new Russia to be welcomed back into the fold economically, they have to deal over Crimea and the eastern provinces.

[paulkienitz]

86. But if the people in the eastern provinces keep fighting, and the war just moves east

and no longer threatens Kyiv, then Putin is still trapped in a quagmire and still at risk of a coup, which means that Ukraine may win without losing the territories at all.

On the one hand we have a quicker end to the fighting at the cost of Ukraine disappearing by inches, and on the other we have ongoing bloodshed but a chance at actually beating Putrin and undermining his dictatorship. And in the end, it won't be Zelensky who accepts or rejects the deal, but the armed citizens of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. If they keep shooting at the occupation force, how can Zelensky sell them out? I know that's where right-wing militias have been very pro-Putin, but I've also heard that the average Russian-speaking Ukrainian has swung sharply the other way after the invasion. If Zelensky tries to make that deal a lot of people are going to be very upset and very unwilling to live with it peacefully.

[SunSeeker]

77. They also said they wouldn't invade, and that it was just a training exercise. nt

[Dan]

79. Putin and Trump share many things in common, lying being one.

[Cha]

81. Bullshit!

[maxsolomon]

84. How will you know when it's "De-Nazified"?

They intend to seize and annex Novorossiya, the "Russian Steppe". The area in pink that Lenin added to Ukraine in 1922:

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[dalton99a]

85. Yeah, right

[Warpy]

87. Yeah, like they were just having harmless military exercises in Belarus

and over the Russian border.

Do they really think they're going to get anyone outside Russia to believe anything they say?

Hell, it's a tough sell inside Russia, especially among the young. Old folks ar e keeping quiet, they remember all too clearly how it was under the KGB when they were young.

[mahina]

88. Awesome! In that case, no harm done.

Right?

[rockfordfile]

89. Russia must pay to rebuild Ukraine.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

91. It worked in Chechnya.

Putin destroyed them morally and financially. Bombed them to hell and into submission.

Putin probably thinks he can turn Zelensky into another Kadrov.

[AZLD4Candidate]

92. Right now, the Russians will say anything to get out of this quagmire

They felt they would have the entire country under their thumb or a week at this point.

Their economy has flatlined, the currency is worth less than crap.

[Mad_Machine76]

93. Actions speak louder than words

He is the invader. He can stop anytime.