Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:00 AM
brooklynite (89,780 posts)
Ivermectin didn't protect people from COVID-19, study shows
Source: Marketwatch
Researchers testing repurposed drugs against Covid-19 found that ivermectin didn’t reduce hospital admissions, in the largest trial yet of the effect of the antiparasitic on the disease driving the pandemic.
Ivermectin has received a lot of attention as a potential treatment for Covid-19 including from celebrities such as podcast host Joe Rogan. Most evidence has shown it to be ineffective against Covid-19 or has relied on data of poor quality, infectious-disease researchers said. Public-health authorities and researchers have for months said the drug hasn’t shown any benefit in treating the disease. Taking large doses of the drug is dangerous, the Food and Drug Administration has said. The latest trial, of nearly 1,400 Covid-19 patients at risk of severe disease, is the largest to show that those who received ivermectin as a treatment didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo. “There was no indication that ivermectin is clinically useful,” said Edward Mills, one of the study’s lead researchers and a professor of health sciences at Canada’s McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Dr. Mills on Friday plans to present the findings, which have been accepted for publication in a major peer-reviewed medical journal, at a public forum sponsored by the National Institutes of Health. Read more: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ivermectin-didnt-protect-people-from-covid-19-study-shows-11647602256 That, of course, is what Big Science WOULD say.....
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brooklynite | Mar 2022 | OP |
bluevoter4life | Mar 2022 | #1 | |
bullimiami | Mar 2022 | #3 | |
Runningdawg | Mar 2022 | #15 | |
ck4829 | Mar 2022 | #2 | |
keithbvadu2 | Mar 2022 | #11 | |
Mz Pip | Mar 2022 | #4 | |
Aristus | Mar 2022 | #5 | |
Ray Bruns | Mar 2022 | #7 | |
paleotn | Mar 2022 | #6 | |
NCjack | Mar 2022 | #8 | |
IronLionZion | Mar 2022 | #9 | |
discntnt_irny_srcsm | Mar 2022 | #10 | |
jmowreader | Mar 2022 | #22 | |
discntnt_irny_srcsm | Mar 2022 | #23 | |
Ocelot II | Mar 2022 | #12 | |
vlyons | Mar 2022 | #13 | |
lagomorph777 | Mar 2022 | #14 | |
louis-t | Mar 2022 | #35 | |
Rebl2 | Mar 2022 | #16 | |
lagomorph777 | Mar 2022 | #17 | |
live love laugh | Mar 2022 | #18 | |
Warpy | Mar 2022 | #19 | |
krispos42 | Mar 2022 | #20 | |
moriah | Mar 2022 | #21 | |
Rebl2 | Mar 2022 | #24 | |
brooklynite | Mar 2022 | #32 | |
Rebl2 | Mar 2022 | #33 | |
LetMyPeopleVote | Mar 2022 | #25 | |
Vinca | Mar 2022 | #26 | |
Initech | Mar 2022 | #27 | |
Jetheels | Mar 2022 | #28 | |
lees1975 | Mar 2022 | #29 | |
TheRickles | Mar 2022 | #30 | |
sakabatou | Mar 2022 | #31 | |
tonekat | Mar 2022 | #34 | |
JCMach1 | Mar 2022 | #36 | |
TheFarseer | Mar 2022 | #37 |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:03 AM
bluevoter4life (779 posts)
1. *shocked Pikachu face* nt
Response to bluevoter4life (Reply #1)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:05 AM
bullimiami (12,792 posts)
3. Yeah a big newsflash from the NoShit Dept.
Here’s an idea.
Why don’t the flat earth crowd develop their own insurance and care network and do it their own way. |
Response to bullimiami (Reply #3)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:01 PM
Runningdawg (4,318 posts)
15. They have. I get electronic spam and junk mail from them all the time.
I think the big one around here is Christian Health Care Network. Their insurance system works about as well as their social media apps. No one is buying.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:05 AM
ck4829 (34,581 posts)
2. "'Sample size', 'double blind', 'peer review', and reporting conflicts of interest are backdoors to
SOCIALISM. Do some RESEARCH, here's a Youtube video posted by some rando!"
-The right-wing rebuttal. |
Response to ck4829 (Reply #2)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:33 AM
keithbvadu2 (33,607 posts)
11. Yeah! Do some RESEARCH.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:07 AM
Mz Pip (27,133 posts)
4. It's all just part of
The Deep State.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:13 AM
Aristus (64,297 posts)
5. I'm shocked.
This is my shocked face:
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Response to Aristus (Reply #5)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:25 AM
Ray Bruns (3,564 posts)
7. Me too. Well, not that shocked.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:14 AM
paleotn (16,899 posts)
6. Think I'll slip this one into the "Well, NO!" file.
Then again, the "No Shit" folder may be more appropriate.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:28 AM
NCjack (10,248 posts)
8. But, did the researchers follow the protocols published on the INTERNET?
Big science is never successful when testing alternative medicines. It always performs the tests to make them fail.
I test Ivermectin at home and it works! But Big Science tests it and it fails.! That is why you should not trust them. ![]() |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:30 AM
IronLionZion (43,677 posts)
9. Those researchers are in the pocket of big vaccine and big mask
real research is on videos shared on social media. That's why they call it "viral videos".
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:31 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (18,347 posts)
10. re: Ivermectin didn't protect...
Don't you have to parallel that with some horse laxative and wash them down with bleach?
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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #10)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 01:00 PM
jmowreader (49,912 posts)
22. Ivermectin has laxative action all by itself
And it would make sense that it does - if you are deworming your horse you want the worms on the ground as quickly as possible.
Which leads to the next question: do the antivaxers understand that viruses, worms and parasites are different things? |
Response to jmowreader (Reply #22)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 01:10 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (18,347 posts)
23. IMO...
...in a tactical situation believing that the enemy of my enemy is my friend probably works okay as a short term strategy. However, viewing virology, diplomacy, politics and the rest of life as a tactical situation is a major mistake.
Just because someone may hate Democrats as you may, (and of course this is a hypothetical you), doesn't make their advice sound. ![]() |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:36 AM
Ocelot II (111,807 posts)
12. But at least they got rid of their tapeworms and fleas.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:50 AM
vlyons (10,145 posts)
13. surprise surprise !!!
that's because it's a dewormer. I used it to deworm my alpacas and llamas. Well at least all the dead from covid had intestines free of worms when they died.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 11:56 AM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
14. Good news.
I hope the MAGATs keep using it.
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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #14)
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:45 AM
louis-t (22,757 posts)
35. Well, they are all full of shit anyway
and probably needed it.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:16 PM
Rebl2 (11,903 posts)
16. Well it's
a scientific study so they won’t believe it.
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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #16)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:19 PM
lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)
17. More dead MAGAT voters.
OK.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:19 PM
live love laugh (12,407 posts)
18. What a wa$te.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:26 PM
Warpy (109,010 posts)
19. No bnefit in treatment, either
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2789362
A smaller study offshore did show a statistically significant improvement in severe illness, but not enough to outweigh the risks of giving this drug to seriously ill people. Still, the needle weenies howl for it. Just get the shot, fools, it's the only way to prevent severe illness from this bug. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:30 PM
krispos42 (49,445 posts)
20. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Jesus, the toxic substances people will put into their bodies to avoid getting a vaccine are simply incredible.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 12:44 PM
moriah (8,311 posts)
21. I found out my shrink has been doing ivermectin and had done HCQ.
He said he'd also gotten the base two shots, but no boosters. I mean, I'm not surprised (he has a Jesusfish on his business card), but the man is OLD.... and contrary to the usual thing when that's on a business card, he's a decent shrink (well that and I come across as very square IRL so as long as I don't speak of religion the assumptions work in my favor).
He was the first to correlate some of my worst symptoms with different head meds to the fact they are generally tested on grown men and I wear kids shoes and consider pediatric dosing -- I just hope the fact I've been relatively stable on this regimen will pass over to whoever else manages my mental health when he retires and they see my records. Makes me very glad I've stayed virtual with him since the pandemic started, though... |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 01:36 PM
Rebl2 (11,903 posts)
24. I think in
KS they want to pass a law that requires doctors to give patients ivermectin if they request it when they have Covid. Real doctors are not happy about this of course. I would not be surprised to see some leave KS. over this idiocy.
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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #24)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 07:38 PM
brooklynite (89,780 posts)
32. Nonsense; all they have to do is say prescribing it is against their sincerely held religious belief
Response to brooklynite (Reply #32)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 08:08 PM
Rebl2 (11,903 posts)
33. Good answer
Of course doctors take an oath to do no harm, but republicons would not accept that.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 02:33 PM
LetMyPeopleVote (136,423 posts)
25. Who is surprised by this?
Only idiots/RWNJs believed that this treatment worked
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 02:50 PM
Vinca (49,758 posts)
26. On the plus side, the ones who lived don't have worms.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 03:08 PM
Initech (98,636 posts)
27. I'm shocked, SHOCKED! Well... not that shocked.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 03:16 PM
Jetheels (991 posts)
28. "Thanks, but I'll do my own research". /s
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 03:31 PM
lees1975 (3,152 posts)
29. That will be good for hospitals
being inundated by stupid, ignorant people demanding patients they know be given ivermectin.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2021/9/13/22671625/veronica-wolski-dies-covid-qanon-ivermectin-amita-hospital-protests-expressway-overpass-banners |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 07:28 PM
TheRickles (1,686 posts)
30. Say what you will, but this study didn't follow the protocol of the doctors who found it effective.
An early start to ivermectin is the key, not after 8 days of symptoms (as in this study). And use the correct dose, for Pete's sake. These may sound like ridiculously petty objections, but why didn't the study just use the same protocol that so many doctors claim has been effective, and have done with it?
If you want to debunk ivermectin, then replicate the regimen that the proponents claim to be effective, and prove your point. IMO, and speaking as an MD, there are significant shortcomings in this study, of the sort that would call into question any study of any drug for any illness. It's not a joking matter. https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Statement-on-Together-Trial-WSJ-Article-Mar-18-1.pdf |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 07:33 PM
sakabatou (41,145 posts)
31. Of course it didn't!
An anti-parasitic does NOT work against a virus!
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Mar 18, 2022, 08:40 PM
tonekat (1,702 posts)
34. I just bought the liquid version...
...because there's a fox with mange that I can't stand to see suffer that suns in my front lawn sometimes. I've gotten one dose into him as of a couple days ago by injecting the stuff in a big meatball. I put out two hardboiled eggs in shells for him today. Hope he finds them tomorrow.
When I lived in N.VA, a neighbor would do this with chicken legs for the local foxes who had mange. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:41 AM
JCMach1 (27,409 posts)
36. Even worse, the users will gain weight as they have now lost their 'natural' worm flora
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 11:04 PM
TheFarseer (9,260 posts)
37. I point these kind of studies out to RWers
Who think that whoever is supressing Ivermectin because of whatever reason and they don't care. They simply declare that they weren't using Ivermectin right or at the right time or whatever. No facts will change their mind.
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