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catsudon

(864 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 06:51 PM Mar 2022

China's Vice Foreign Minister blames NATO for war in Ukraine

Source: Axios

China's vice foreign minister on Saturday blamed NATO for the war in Ukraine and criticized the West's sanctions against Russia, AP reports.

Driving the news: Le Yucheng speaking at a conference in Beijing called NATO a "Cold War vestige," warning that its expansion could cause "repercussions too dreadful to contemplate," per AP.

"Sanctions against Russia are now going to such lengths that globalization is used as a weapon, even people from the sports, cultural, art and entertainment communities are not spared," he also said.
The big picture: Le's remarks come one day after President Biden and Chinese President Xi Jinping spoke about the war, with Biden describing "the implications and consequences if China provides material support to Russia," according to a White House readout of the call.

China has not publicly condemned or defended Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but Chinese officials and state media have largely put the blame on the U.S. and the West, Axios' Dave Lawler reports.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/china-vice-foreign-minister-nato-ukraine-russia-eef8dea1-2b7e-4e03-8c15-d32b2cfc2f50.html



once again like i suspected... china is trying to have their feet on two boats at the same time. which by the way is a famous chinese saying;
"腳踏兩條船" to stand with each foot in a different boat (idiom) / fig. to have it both ways / to run after two hares / (especially) to have two lovers at the same time
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China's Vice Foreign Minister blames NATO for war in Ukraine (Original Post) catsudon Mar 2022 OP
And World War 2 Was Entirely Neville Chamberlain's Fault To Right Le? DanieRains Mar 2022 #1
Translation... nycbos Mar 2022 #2
Yet not a word about the " Dreadful repercussions of Ru's 'expansion into Ukraine" Budi Mar 2022 #3
Globalization, a weapon. Russia is using starvation and freezing as a weapon Walleye Mar 2022 #11
It has always been used as a weapon Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #32
Sad, but true Walleye Mar 2022 #36
Yeah, like NATO held a gun to Putin's head and forced him... brush Mar 2022 #44
Frankly don't see the adjective «blame» being the conclusion from the snippets of the Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2022 #4
👍 TomWilm Mar 2022 #29
Let this be a lesson to China... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #5
Oh grow the fuck up Le Yucheng Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 #6
Birds of a Foul Fascist Feather flock together. Hey China, you do realize that we abqtommy Mar 2022 #7
Who attacked a unprovoked Country? . ... Lovie777 Mar 2022 #8
Don't buy Chinese Crap. nt. BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #9
Easier said than done PatSeg Mar 2022 #31
The journey of a thousand miles BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #34
I remember years ago PatSeg Mar 2022 #35
It really is an eye opener isn't it! BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #38
I know PatSeg Mar 2022 #39
Well said... BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #40
Ah yes, good point PatSeg Mar 2022 #43
Sounds like good news to me. China chooses all talk and no action. A prudent move. Beastly Boy Mar 2022 #10
Yup orangecrush Mar 2022 #20
Russia can't pay China's invoices because they're about to default FakeNoose Mar 2022 #41
Sounds like NATO Red Mountain Mar 2022 #12
Exactly what I've been calling for... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #13
Oh, how about Antifa? Or Liberal Democracies? erronis Mar 2022 #15
It would be all about freedom for the masses... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #16
United Democracies or United Democracies for World Peace andym Mar 2022 #26
NATO is not a democracy project TomWilm Mar 2022 #30
Well, I had to look that up Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #33
... that is why I always serve some links :). TomWilm Mar 2022 #37
Wow, Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #42
The US/NATO made Russia invade Ukraine IronLionZion Mar 2022 #14
Yep, just like the Tibetans forced the People's Republic of China to invade, slaughter, and... LudwigPastorius Mar 2022 #18
Nah, that was the US and NATO too IronLionZion Mar 2022 #19
Just like the Capitalists forced the PRC to crush students Justice matters. Mar 2022 #27
If it weren't for NATO Ukraine could easily have been Poland, Latvia, Estonia, etc. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2022 #17
Treading on thin ice there bud. paleotn Mar 2022 #21
Fuck China......they have blood on there hands when they took down Hong Kong.... turbinetree Mar 2022 #22
Well, yeah. NATO moved FIFTEEN Divisions to Ukraine. Grins Mar 2022 #23
China is freaking out over a possible US and EU economic union. roamer65 Mar 2022 #24
Fuck China. dalton99a Mar 2022 #25
This guys foot is stuck in muck. elleng Mar 2022 #28
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
1. And World War 2 Was Entirely Neville Chamberlain's Fault To Right Le?
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 06:54 PM
Mar 2022

He didn't appease Hitler enough.....

nycbos

(6,101 posts)
2. Translation...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:08 PM
Mar 2022

... Russia is having a hard time bullying its neighbor into submission.


Now call me you're the world won't let us invade our neighbor it's really not fair. They are already being mean to us about our human rights violations against the Uyghurs.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. Yet not a word about the " Dreadful repercussions of Ru's 'expansion into Ukraine"
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:12 PM
Mar 2022

"Beijing called NATO a "Cold War vestige," warning that its expansion could cause "repercussions too dreadful to contemplate,"


And Not a word about the brutal destruction of a country, its cities nor its people either fleeing or being bombed to death.
So, Let's take the spotlight off the horror of the Ukrainians & place it on the inconveniences of Putin's Russian people:

Sanctions against Russia are now going to such lengths that globalization is used as a weapon, even people from the sports, cultural, art and entertainment communities are not spared," he also said

****

This is the stupidity of such propaganda.

Farmer-Rick

(10,629 posts)
32. It has always been used as a weapon
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:13 AM
Mar 2022

Against workers and the middle class. But what they really object to is it being used as a weapon against the filthy rich and Czar Vladimir Putin.

brush

(55,250 posts)
44. Yeah, like NATO held a gun to Putin's head and forced him...
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 08:45 AM
Mar 2022

order his tanks into Ukraine.

Seems China's lacking in their foreign ministry statements.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
4. Frankly don't see the adjective «blame» being the conclusion from the snippets of the
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:16 PM
Mar 2022

speech AP decided to report on with huge number of snippets from long sentences and longer speech….That’s a propaganda tool of all media.

AntiFascist

(12,817 posts)
5. Let this be a lesson to China...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:24 PM
Mar 2022

totalitarian societies are not exactly compatible with the freedoms enjoyed by sports, cultural, art and entertainment communities. And, talk about a Cold War vestige: China and Russia together again. Did you not learn anything from Nixon?

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
7. Birds of a Foul Fascist Feather flock together. Hey China, you do realize that we
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:36 PM
Mar 2022

can buy clothes, cars and electronics from other countries, don't you?

Lovie777

(13,399 posts)
8. Who attacked a unprovoked Country? . ...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 07:55 PM
Mar 2022

and that is why the attacking country is being sanctioned. Plus, sanction will be lifted once viable legitimate agreement is made where Russia signs in blood that they will never ever attack Ukraine or any other Independent Country again.

PatSeg

(49,175 posts)
31. Easier said than done
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 09:36 AM
Mar 2022

Such a large percentage of the goods that we buy today are made in China. Of course on the flip side, China's robust economy relies heavily on the U.S. to thrive, so taking Russia's side in this war could really hurt them financially. Supporting Russia is really a losing proposition in so many ways.

PatSeg

(49,175 posts)
35. I remember years ago
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:07 PM
Mar 2022

when I decided not to buy anything "Made in China". I was shocked at the time to see how much merchandise came from China, but there still were plenty of alternatives. Sadly, that is no longer the case. With many items, it is go with Chinese goods or go without. That isn't too big a burden for me, as I don't really buy much these days.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
38. It really is an eye opener isn't it!
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 02:08 PM
Mar 2022

Which leads to the question - how the heck did we end up like this?

PatSeg

(49,175 posts)
39. I know
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 02:22 PM
Mar 2022

Though it seemed rather gradual, it actually happened quite quickly. I remember when Walmart pushed manufacturers to move their companies overseas, especially to China, so they could offer cheaper prices. They either complied or went out of business. Then their competitors followed suit.

There is plenty of blame to go around and the American consumer's appetite for cheaper and cheaper goods didn't help. No more "Look for the Union Label", most labels say, "Made in China". Now we live in a country where many people can't afford housing and healthcare, but "stuff" is really cheap. It can't possibly be sustainable.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
40. Well said...
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 04:22 PM
Mar 2022

The only thing I could possibly add to that is the fact that when wages do not keep pace with expenses - people are driven to cheap junk out of necessity. As you said, there is plenty of blame to go around.

Beastly Boy

(10,076 posts)
10. Sounds like good news to me. China chooses all talk and no action. A prudent move.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:10 PM
Mar 2022

They don't want NATO to win, but they don't want Russia to win either. The best case scenario for China would be for both NATO and Russia to come out of the war weakened, but it looks like they will settle for a weak Russia for now.

FakeNoose

(33,943 posts)
41. Russia can't pay China's invoices because they're about to default
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 06:16 PM
Mar 2022

... however China can maybe take some oil and natural gas off their hands, in lieu of cash.

I don't think the US could ever work out a deal like that with China.

Red Mountain

(1,784 posts)
12. Sounds like NATO
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:16 PM
Mar 2022

needs a new acronym. And an expansion plan far beyond Europe.

Democracies United (DU) is taken but if it's to be the Democracies versus 'Other' we'll need something catchy.

Suggestions?

AntiFascist

(12,817 posts)
13. Exactly what I've been calling for...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:34 PM
Mar 2022

true democracies against non democracies, but something more catchy.

erronis

(15,977 posts)
15. Oh, how about Antifa? Or Liberal Democracies?
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:58 PM
Mar 2022

Terms, terms.

Proof is always in the pudding.

The current scum-of-the-earth took over the Grand Old Party Repubilcans (GOP) and turned it into a mouthpiece of the old communist state (which they originally reviled.) The party of Lincoln was corrupted to be the party of the dixiecrats.

I think we need a better citizenship test for anyone who plans to hold public office. First find out if they even know the basics of government, then the US constitution. Then have them sign a binding statement that their future employment will be summarily terminated if they ever perform acts that are contrary to their sworn duties. Summarily. Can appeal but not while holding office. Penalties and jail time if convicted.


AntiFascist

(12,817 posts)
16. It would be all about freedom for the masses...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 09:11 PM
Mar 2022

and NOT freedom for the unbridled Libertarian uber-wealthy! (Antifa has become a label assigned by such).

andym

(5,514 posts)
26. United Democracies or United Democracies for World Peace
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:10 AM
Mar 2022

Just reversed your democracies united and combined it with Zelenskyy's suggestion.

TomWilm

(1,836 posts)
30. NATO is not a democracy project
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 05:42 AM
Mar 2022

Among the founders were Portugal, ruled by a dictator. Invited in was Greece and Turkey, at that time both authoritarian regimes. Turkey is still giving problems, now backed up by similar rulers in Hungary and Poland. All NATO's wars has been fought in close alliances with Middle Eastern dictators, none of them better than Putin...

Good luck on making "Democracies United", but NATO is not the foundation for such.

Farmer-Rick

(10,629 posts)
33. Well, I had to look that up
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 10:31 AM
Mar 2022

Because now of course Portugal is a truly functional socialist system, dominated by social democrats.

But man their history is full of dictators, fascists and corporate control. Wow, how many Constitutions did they go through????

But yeah, when NATO was first created they did have a dictatorship. But now they are an amazing blend of socialism and democracy.

Maybe out of the ashes of a failed Russian war and their gone crazy, bubble boy Czar Vladimir Putin will come a functional social democracy.

Portugal gives me hope. Out of something bad can come something very good. I think that happened with NATO.

And NATO can Not make a Russian Czar do anything. He, Czar Vladimir Putin, has to decide for himself like he decides for all of Russia.

TomWilm

(1,836 posts)
37. ... that is why I always serve some links :).
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:56 PM
Mar 2022

The revolution away from dictatorship was not greeted with pleasure by the United States. During the coup in 1974 NATO troops were due to land for "military exercises" in Lisboa, but were refused permission to land. Spain contacted Henry Kissinger, and said they had plans to go to war to beat the commies in Portugal. United States itself were preparing to seize the Azores. Lots of interesting history there!

With the junta gone, Kissinger were preparing to throw Portugal out of NATO. The NATO membership had been very important for the junta in Portugal, who gave NATO access to military exercises in their Portuguese colonies. Portugal's wars in Africa to keep the colonies would not have continued for long without NATO weaponry and equipment. But a new democratically elected government was too much for NATO, since it might include a few COMMUNISTS!

IronLionZion

(46,025 posts)
14. The US/NATO made Russia invade Ukraine
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 08:56 PM
Mar 2022

just like we're forcing China to abuse the Uighurs and Hong Kong residents and it will totally be our fault if and when they invade Taiwan, right? Seems legit

LudwigPastorius

(9,780 posts)
18. Yep, just like the Tibetans forced the People's Republic of China to invade, slaughter, and...
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 10:10 PM
Mar 2022

try to culturally erase them.

Justice matters.

(7,121 posts)
27. Just like the Capitalists forced the PRC to crush students
Sun Mar 20, 2022, 12:41 AM
Mar 2022

in Tiananmem Square. The bloodbath was not the Communist dictatorship's fault.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,901 posts)
17. If it weren't for NATO Ukraine could easily have been Poland, Latvia, Estonia, etc.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 09:52 PM
Mar 2022

Sovereign nations have the right to any sort of defensive alliances they see fit.

turbinetree

(24,845 posts)
22. Fuck China......they have blood on there hands when they took down Hong Kong....
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:31 PM
Mar 2022

and now they are still in the gaslighting BS......Ukraine did NOT invade Russia NATO did not invade Russia.......you bet it is being used as a weapon.....greed is what drives everything....not chewing gum.....

Grins

(7,470 posts)
23. Well, yeah. NATO moved FIFTEEN Divisions to Ukraine.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:52 PM
Mar 2022

Clearly a provocation.

Oh, wait. They didn’t. Vlad did that.

And the only athletes I know being harassed/arrested are Americans!

roamer65

(36,826 posts)
24. China is freaking out over a possible US and EU economic union.
Sat Mar 19, 2022, 11:55 PM
Mar 2022

Putler has made the impossible possible.

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