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highplainsdem

(61,875 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:35 PM Mar 2022

Ukraine tells the US it needs 500 Javelins and 500 Stingers per day

Source: CNN

(CNN) Ukraine has updated its extensive wishlist of additional military assistance from the US government in the past several days to include hundreds more anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles than previously requested, according to a document provided to CNN that details the items needed.

The Ukrainians have submitted similar lists in recent weeks but a recent request provided to US lawmakers appears to reflect a growing need for American-made Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles -- with Ukraine saying it urgently needs 500 of each, daily.

In both cases, Ukraine is asking for hundreds more missiles than were included in a similar list recently provided to US lawmakers, according to a source with knowledge of both requests.

The new list comes as the Ukrainians have claimed they face potential weapons shortages amid an ongoing Russian assault -- prompting some pushback from US and NATO officials who stress that more military aid is already going into the country.

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Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/24/politics/ukraine-us-request-javelin-stinger-missiles/index.html

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Ukraine tells the US it needs 500 Javelins and 500 Stingers per day (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2022 OP
Cheaper Than Spending 7 Trillion Like In Iraq And Afghanistan DanieRains Mar 2022 #1
Exactly , they are our buffer , the least we can do is arm them questionseverything Mar 2022 #2
Bravo!!! orangecrush Mar 2022 #10
Ukraine is performing a valuable service for NATO. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #23
500 Stingers a day? Whoa. jmowreader Mar 2022 #3
...might as well send them Tony Stark. Ellipsis Mar 2022 #4
We could always send COL Mustard Mar 2022 #22
I prefer that idea but I imagine that because it's a truck it would be seen as an "escalation" ColinC Mar 2022 #8
Would that be of much benefit? Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #17
It would be a benefit jmowreader Mar 2022 #19
The ability to move them quickly seems very beneficial Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #25
I had to look for it Strela-10 jmowreader Mar 2022 #28
Like these WWII decoys? lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #24
Something like that. Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #26
Just fucking give him what he asks for! intrepidity Mar 2022 #5
Are we manufacturing enough to replenish these supplies? Renew Deal Mar 2022 #6
I agree that's a hell of lot per day. rockfordfile Mar 2022 #14
This will be a good test of US defense manufacturing capacity Deminpenn Mar 2022 #20
Why do you think stocks are more or less going up the last month? quakerboy Mar 2022 #31
For What This Will Do To Degrade Putin's Capacity To Wage War... GB_RN Mar 2022 #7
How many do we have, how many can we make, and truthisfreedom Mar 2022 #9
+1 orangecrush Mar 2022 #11
Per Wikipedia, fwiw, 45000 relayerbob Mar 2022 #12
90 days Deminpenn Mar 2022 #21
$20Million/day? Sell a few oligarchs' yachts. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2022 #30
Yeah add a few zeros EX500rider Mar 2022 #32
Give Ukraine these missiles and rockets LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #13
Give it to them blue-wave Mar 2022 #15
That's a lot. Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #16
Maybe when Zelenskyy is done saving Ukraine he can Jetheels Mar 2022 #18
They need to make posters like this: Aristus Mar 2022 #27
This Just Doesn't Sound Right. ruet Mar 2022 #29
 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
1. Cheaper Than Spending 7 Trillion Like In Iraq And Afghanistan
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:40 PM
Mar 2022

Let our insanely brave friends take on Putin for us.

Arm them.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
23. Ukraine is performing a valuable service for NATO.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:02 AM
Mar 2022

It is a service well worth paying for.
Every tank, troop, plane, or ship they destroy is one that we will never face in battle.

jmowreader

(53,155 posts)
3. 500 Stingers a day? Whoa.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 09:56 PM
Mar 2022

Would it also be possible to send them some Avengers? An Avenger is a truck with eight Stinger tubes mounted on it.

COL Mustard

(8,186 posts)
22. We could always send
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:23 AM
Mar 2022

Chuck Norris. He could roundhouse kick those Russians all the way to Siberia!

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
8. I prefer that idea but I imagine that because it's a truck it would be seen as an "escalation"
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 11:10 PM
Mar 2022

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
17. Would that be of much benefit?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:42 AM
Mar 2022

Just seems like a larger target firing the same missiles, right?

I wonder if they could get some medium range NASAMS to them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASAMS

Also, maybe flood Ukraine with a bunch of bullshit decoy S300 equipment that emit similar heat and electronic signatures to the real ones. Emulate the S300 radar and just have Russia waste their missiles on those, and give cover to bring in the system from Slovakia. Not sure how plausible that is, but stuff like that worked in the past.

jmowreader

(53,155 posts)
19. It would be a benefit
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:14 AM
Mar 2022

First, a shoulder fired Stinger gunner has to reload after every shot. Avenger gunners have eight missiles ready to fire.

Second, the Avenger gunner is in a compartment that’s armored against small arms fire. Stinger gunners are not.

Third, the Avenger is a much more stable firing platform.

And because the Avenger is on a vehicle, you can move from place to place faster.

Avengers are very easy to use. Boeing makes them in Seattle, so the closest Army base to get troops for operational testing is Fort Lewis. They took three soldiers who weren’t air defense artillery troops and one Avenger to Yakima Firing Center to have them test fire it. All three managed to score hits.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
25. The ability to move them quickly seems very beneficial
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:42 PM
Mar 2022

That would make somewhat similar than the Osa and Strela-10s, aye? I wonder if they will ever send them some systems with a bit more range. I'm guessing those would all require further training if they are not soviet/russian stuff.

jmowreader

(53,155 posts)
28. I had to look for it Strela-10
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:12 PM
Mar 2022

The NATO reporting name is SA-13. The Avenger is very close to that system, except the SA-13 has a radar and only 4 launch tubes.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
26. Something like that.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:49 PM
Mar 2022

But also with the ability to match heat and electronic signatures. I'd say make them mobile and remotely controlled. Apparently Ukraine already has some inflatable S-300 systems. I don't know if those mimic heat and electromagnetic signals of the real ones, though.

intrepidity

(8,581 posts)
5. Just fucking give him what he asks for!
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 10:09 PM
Mar 2022

(well, short of a NFZ, that is...) But everything else? Ship it yesterday!!

Deminpenn

(17,467 posts)
20. This will be a good test of US defense manufacturing capacity
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:11 AM
Mar 2022

The defense industry has been consolidating for awhile now.

quakerboy

(14,851 posts)
31. Why do you think stocks are more or less going up the last month?
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 09:56 PM
Mar 2022

Theres a lot of money to be made on gouging oil.. and plenty to be made on replacing used up armaments and such.

GB_RN

(3,551 posts)
7. For What This Will Do To Degrade Putin's Capacity To Wage War...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 11:05 PM
Mar 2022

Without us having to put boots on the ground ourselves, this would be cheap at twice the price of the devices themselves. Hand them over.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,672 posts)
30. $20Million/day? Sell a few oligarchs' yachts.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:32 PM
Mar 2022

If they could fire 500 stingers and bring down 10 Russian planes, it would be a bargain. if they can do it every day, the war wouldn't go on much longer.

Javelin anti-tank missiles are way more costly.

EX500rider

(12,549 posts)
32. Yeah add a few zeros
Mon Mar 28, 2022, 11:26 PM
Mar 2022

@ $250,000 per Javelin and $120,000 per Stinger that's $185 million a day, $5.5 billion a month and I dounbt we have the stocks to provide 15,000 of each per month.

blue-wave

(4,969 posts)
15. Give it to them
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:21 AM
Mar 2022

Russia must not win in Ukraine. Place the factories making javelins and stingers on 24/7 production schedules.

We ramped up manufacturing during WWII, we must do so now before this becomes WWIII.

ruet

(10,266 posts)
29. This Just Doesn't Sound Right.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:13 PM
Mar 2022

Publicly available information shows that, since its introduction in 1996, only 45,000 Javelin missiles and 12,000 launch units have been produced. Over a year Ukraine is asking for 182,500 Javelins? Also, when this war is over where do all of unused weapons end up? Let's not forget the Stingers we gave to the Mujahideen.

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