Russian Army Executes Hundreds of Civilian Men in Bucha, Other Kyiv Suburbs. Bodies Litter the Stree

[blue-wave]

Source: Santa Monica Observer

Reports from several sources say that Russia has committed unspeakable war crimes, unprecedented in modern Europe, during its occupation of Kyiv's Northern suburbs.

In a Ukrainian town called Bucha, the Russian Armed Forces methodically murdered all men between the ages of 16 and 60. This is the town seen on American news shows Friday night April 1st. A video shows a car driving through Bucha's streets showing corpses lying on the ground.

It should be emphasized at this time, that no one has confirmed the number of dead. But if the reports are true, Russia has committed the kind of war crimes that have not been seen in Europe since World War II eighty years ago.

Read more: https://www.smobserved.com/story/2022/04/01/news/russian-army-shot-all-men-aged-16-to-60-in-bucha-7000-civilians-killed-if-true-biggest-war-crime-of-the-century/6642.html

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Full Title: Russian Army Executes Hundreds of Civilian Men in Bucha, Other Kyiv Suburbs. Bodies Litter the Streets with Hands Tied Behind Backs

From the article:

"Russians executed every male civilian, aged 16-60 years in #Bucha city, #Ukraine before fleeing north from advancing Ukrainian army." tweeted Walter Lekh, an American reporter living in Lviv, 300 miles to the South West of Bucha.

Bucha had a pre war population of 28,000. By demographics, the town would have had about 7,000 men in that age group.

If this is true, this is genocide. It is the second Russian Holodomor against the Ukrainian nation. I don't know about you, but I've had enough. Give the Ukrainians what they need to win this war.

[vercetti2021]

1. Enough with this crap

Sanctions and shit are not gonna stop this. Bitch ain't gonna use nukes. This is no longer about trying to not increase conflict. This is about fucking crimes against humanity. Send in the ass kickers and annihilate these ruskies

[Jetheels]

11. +1

[Sherman A1]

16. You are 1000% sure that nukes will not be used?

Because there is no stepping back from that precipice…….

I believe that the Biden Administration has far more information, knowledge and expertise than anyone on this internet discussion board and I will continue to trust their judgment on how to proceed. I also believe that there are many moving parts in operation behind the scenes of which we have no idea nor should we.

[IronLionZion]

27. Intel agencies should know the status of Russia's nukes

like where they are, condition of their launch capabilities, and how dangerous they are.

Otherwise, NATO could kick Russia to the curb pretty quick.

[Justice matters.]

45. Some 10-warheads tipped are onboard of "silent" subs in international waters.

How do you locate moving silent (i.,g. undetectable) submarines cruising underwater at a couple-hundred miles from Manhattan shores?

Let the Biden Administration take the right decisions. They are doing all they can, and not doing anything they can't (for obvious reasons).

[Sherman A1]

63. I would have to assume that intel agencies would have such information

That is what we pay them to do. As to the nature of that information and the decisions based upon it I will trust the Biden administration.

[orangecrush]

57. Let's see

If Russian scum really want to see OUR nuclear asenal put up against theirs.

I think not.

[Sherman A1]

62. You do understand that

No one wins a nuclear war…….

[orangecrush]

64. If America knew

What the Germans were doing to Jews before we entered the war, would that have been enough for us to declare war on them?

[Sherman A1]

65. Perhaps, but that didn't answer the question posed

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. You're quite free to haul your derriere down to the nearest Ukrainian Embassy

and volunteer for combat duty in Ukraine, and you don't know for sure if Putin would order the release of tactical or strategic nuclear forces.

[atreides1]

44. So

What now? Every time Putin threatens to use nukes NATO pulls back...until they reach the English Channel?

That escalation that everyone has been trying to avoid...that went out the window when Putin put his Nuclear forces on alert...and his spokesperson keeps saying that the use of nukes are not off the table.

Eventually NATO is going to have call his bluff...

[Justice matters.]

46. Underwater a couple hundred miles away from Manhattan:

Oh, and DC also.

We don't want their war crimes around here, right???

[MarineCombatEngineer]

55. Show us where NATO has pulled back.

Which NATO countries have pulled back? Which NATO countries have renounced their membership and have kicked out all NATO forces?

Why should NATO get directly involved when the Ukrainian's are kicking the shit out of the Russian Army?

[Sherman A1]

61. Curious 🧐?

Just where has NATO pulled back? Can you supply government press releases, news reports or links? I would very much like to understand where this has happened so that I can understand your position on the topic.

I for one prefer a very bad limited war to a catastrophic global war, but opinions may vary.

[orangecrush]

58. Sorry can't resist

[BootinUp]

2. So awful. I hope we can see justice done for them.

[PortTack]

3. F..king Russians! This vet who's been giving updates on Ukraine on YouTube and TikTok

Nails it!

This is who they are. Calls them the 21st century’s Nazis and lays the blame squarely on the Russian soldiers, who they are and what they are

https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPduHYvfg/

[blue-wave]

4. He's correct

It is who they are. Their society created the monsters that butcher innocent women, children and men. They get no sympathy from me.

[PortTack]

9. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[Nululu]

5. Past time to stop Putin.

[dchill]

6. At least a month past.

[Cheezoholic]

7. Meanwhile they are still trying to bomb

Syrian resistant forces into the stone age. As big of pricks we can be, its nothing compared to Russian fucks

[Nululu]

8. Air cover for Ukraine

Whatever they need.

[dalton99a]

10. Give the Ukrainians some longer range missiles

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

56. IMO missiles are expensive and useful against installations such as airstrips and harbors.

I would like to see Ukraine get a few dozen modern equivalents of the AC-47D gunship and maybe 100,000,000 rounds of 7.62x51. Puff could break the Russian force's back. It's demoralizing.

[C Moon]

12. Let's move beyond the theory that "Russians are sympathetic to Ukrainians."

Fuck Russia! If they don't want to admit their leader is hitler2022, then the rest of the world will deal with them.
I say FUCK RUSSIA—ALL OF IT!!!!!!

[left-of-center2012]

13. I get immune to war news after awhile.

But reading news like this,
WOW,
there’re no words for how it saddens and disgusts me.

How in hell, in 2022, is this happening?

And how do we get justice for these people?

It’s a nightmare, but it’s not a dream.

[ck4829]

14. Unacceptable

[ShazzieB]

15. 😱😱😱😱😱

Reports from several sources say that Russia has committed unspeakable war crimes, unprecedented in modern Europe, during its occupation of Kyiv's Northern suburbs.

War crimes that are "unspeakable...unprecedented..." ye gods, what next?

[Akakoji]

17. Fukk the GOP and their stalling tactics over Cover vaccine funding

NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF GOP SENATORS WERE NOT GREEDY TRAITORS. They must go.

"The killing appears to extend beyond Bucha. "Russians are shooting civilians after tying their hands behind their backs. Dead bodies are all over the Kyiv oblast, on the streets, in cars, in people’s yards. Mass graves are full of unidentified bodies. Many families will never know what happened to their loved ones," tweeted Anastasia Lapatina, a well known journalist who writes for the Kyiv Independent, Ukraine's largest English language daily.

"This is just unbelievable," tweeted Illia Ponomarenko, who also writes for the Kyiv Independent, and is embedded with the Ukrainian Army. "Russian troops have left scores of firearms, vehicles, dead bodies, documents behind their backs as they were escaping the Kyiv region. Lots of washing machines, toys, kitchen appliances, fry pans looted. F@CKING FRY PANS. Looted as trophies."

"In just-liberated Bucha northwest of Kyiv, a mass grave of nearly 280 civilians," continued Ponomarenko. "Scores of civilians executed by the Russian military. Russia literally unfolded a killing spree in its occupied territories in Ukraine. The year is 2022."

"#Ukrainian soldiers who liberated #Bucha near #Kyiv from #Russia's invaders report numerous civilians shot dead.#Russians killed them during occupation and when retreated from the town. Some of victims have their hands tied.Innocent victims.They didn't deserve that." tweeted Emine Dzheppar, First Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine."

Make this stop now. By any means necessary.

[Brainfodder]

18. Sinister cowardice to the max?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

19. "It should be emphasized at this time, that no one has confirmed the number of dead."

It should be emphasized at this time, that no one has confirmed the number of dead. But if the reports are true, ...

Thanks for the report, but I have to wonder how a free handout newspaper in Santa Monica, California, one that does not even have its own Wikipedia entry, has the story, while the New York Times, Washington Post, Associated Press, et. al., do not.

There were stories coming out of Iraq that did not pan out. If the reports are true, this is a big deal. I'm not the one who's going over there and putting my life on the line. Before I send someone else to do that for me, maybe I should wait for confirmation.

Time will tell.

[blue-wave]

20. Maybe if you looked beyond

Wikipedia, you will find information all over social media and Ukrainian news sites that confirm what happened there. And how in the world do you conclude that this post is about this: "I'm not the one who's going over there and putting my life on the line. Before I send someone else to do that for me, maybe I should wait for confirmation."? I never said send someone else!

I'm sure there are many Ukrainians whose innocent loved ones are laying in the street or half buried in mass graves, hands tied behind their backs and shot dead by the butchering Russian troops, who will disagree with you though. The Russians are the bloody, murdering butchers who started this war, after all.

Thanks for your comment and your concern.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

22. Trust, but verify.

Trust, but verify

Russian: Доверяй, но проверяй, translated Doveryay, no proveryay

[Pachamama]

24. Will you trust Deutsch Welle News? The German Aussenminister Baerbock?

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-germany-accuses-russia-of-war-crimes-over-bucha-deaths-live-updates/a-61343522

Here in Germany it’s on ZDF, NDR, ARD1 and all media.

It’s not fake news.

[blue-wave]

50. It's been verified in many places

since you first questioned the validity of the butcher's bloody massacre of innocent Ukrainian civilians.

Thanks again for your concern. I'm sure you'll agree that the Russians, who lied about their intention to invade Ukraine, broke agreements on humanitarian corridors, and are butchering innocent women, children and men in the streets have no honor and therefore cannot be trusted. The butchers won't even let the Red Cross into Mariupol and stole 14 tons of Red Cross humanitarian supplies. Like I said, no honor.

[Sherman A1]

23. Well, there is that whole confirmation thing

But, some folks are on an outrage roll here, so there’s that as well……..

[Pachamama]

25. It's now being reported in US media in morning updates

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/03/world/ukraine-russia-war

[Akoto]

49. What are you wanting? There are images/video here of streets of dead. n/t

[Evolve Dammit]

21. "Give the Ukrainians what they need to win this war." Totally agree. Been a war crime since Day 1.

[oldsoftie]

26. Thats it. Regardless of confirming THIS atrocity, the Russians have BEEN doing it from the start

So we should have ALREADY been giving them whatever they needed short of a nuke. I'm sick of seeing the EU & the US worried about how Putin will "feel" about what's given. Fuck him. And if he attacks Poland, etc, then we'll just destroy the REST of the russian army. Whatever is left of it after the Ukrainians are done with em.
We don't need to send in NATO troops to accomplish this. We have proven our air superiority over the years & its only better now.

[Evolve Dammit]

28. I felt like that all along. The nuclear threat has stymied the world, and he gets sanctions.

Although painful to some and good in theory, the ruble is back. They are selling the oil to other countries via the dark markets and funding the war anyhow. The tankers turn off their communications and nobody can track them. This is emboldening other autocrats, so far.....

[oldsoftie]

30. The ruble is back, but under artificial means. Here's how they're forcing it.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/31/investing/russia-ruble-putin/index.html

Its much like a reverse stock split; it rarely works in the long run

[Evolve Dammit]

31. interesting. Thanks

[AntiFascist]

51. The nuclear threat to the US is way overblown...

the real threat is the use of tactical nukes on the European continent, yet the UK, Poland and of course Ukraine seem much more hawkish and willing to take chances. NATO members Hungary and Turkey are likely holding back.

[Evolve Dammit]

53. The world is connected in ways we never were even 20 years ago. The fear that Europe could be

obliterated seems to be carrying the day at present.

[BumRushDaShow]

37. The problem is not about "how Putin will feel'

the problem is "how EUROPE will feel" since Europe is NOT "energy independent". They finally acknowledged that and are going to start working on dealing with that - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142884185

Britain "ruled the seas" in the earliest days of steamship warfare and travel because of the coal fields. I posted about the UK's current active coal fields here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2884203



But as people moved away from coal and towards oil, liquefied natural gas, and nuclear, then Europe ceded their use of coal, and replaced with 2 of those 3 alternates to coal (with a handful adding some nuclear plants - which is fine for electricity but at the time, not for vehicles).

I posted this in another thread about Venezuela (and what appears to be behind-the-scenes -stuff going on with these alternate fossil-fuel source countries who are desperate for some $$$ after the pandemic) - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2884869

And in that post there was an excerpt from an article that mentioned Aruba, which is a territory of the Netherlands, where the Dutch are one of the largest importers of Russian oil -

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=33732





(graphic from and article here - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/russia-oil-uk-ban-ukraine-b2031228.html)

I also posted in this thread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142887242

here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2887341

You do have this dynamic though - https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/07/14/ten-countries-that-dominate-fossil-fuel-production/?sh=34d8072f5b13

TOTAL



BREAKDOWN

So after that (I know long...) set of issues above - Europe is having difficulty with anyone immediately blowing Russia out of existence because that would essentially shut them down.

And as a sidenote, yesterday around 3:30 pm, the power in my complex went out (I am guessing PECO was doing some switch testing or maintenance or whatever with no notice). It was of course a PITA although I have 5 big UPS units here to power some of my electronics temporarily. Thankfully the outage was for almost 30 minutes exactly.

Now imagine if that type of "cutoff" wasn't "temporary" for literally hundreds of millions across Europe (not just the millions in Ukraine)? That's why all the behind-the-scenes stuff going on to come up with "replacement" fuel for Europe because they locked themselves into Russia's oil and gas. And the "replacements" would not just be from here, but could also come from some current "pariah" countries like Venezuela.

And as a sidenote - since Russia has essentially threatened to completely cut off any cooperation with us for the ISS, those who mock Musk and SpaceX should be glad they are there and can do "human transport" to/from the ISS because otherwise, our 4 astronauts up there currently would be SOL.

[oldsoftie]

40. It was foolish for Germany to start shutting their nuke plants. Its foolish anywhere.

Both trump & Hillary warned them about becoming dependent on Russian energy. About the only thing trump was ever right about. They SHOULD have known better to begin with.
At least with spring temps coming, the EU can wean themselves from most Russian energy a bit easier. And WE need to be more forceful with committing to helping them with supplies.
And Germany needs to restart whatever nuke plants they've shut down.

As an aside, we here in the US need to do a much better job of securing OUR electrical grid. And we individual citizens need to prepare for a time when power may go out for weeks because of an attack. Or even a solar attack. We rely on far too many foreign parts to keep our systems up. Critical items need to be made HERE & we need laws to force that

[BumRushDaShow]

47. I think some of the initial "hesitation"

is to get past winter and obviously we are all seeing that if this isn't seen as a "wake up call", then I don't think much of anything will wake people up.

And regarding our own grid, that wake up call happened what will be 20 years ago next year, with the 2003 NE blackout that affected 50 million in the heat of the summer, and that was mainly due to lack of maintenance and human error, something that would happen time and time again (whether in California (an ongoing issue) or Texas the winter before this past one).

Alan Taylor August 13, 2018

On August 14, 2003, a series of faults caused by tree branches touching power lines in Ohio, which were then complicated by human error, software issues, and equipment failures, led to the most widespread blackout in North American history. More than 50 million people across eight northeastern U.S. states and parts of Canada were left without power for at least 24 hours, and many of them were in the dark for weeks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/08/photos-15-years-since-the-2003-northeast-blackout/567410/

Thankfully here in Philly, the PJM (Pennsylvania-New Jersey-Maryland) Interconnection segment that covers the northern Midatlantic region and is tied into that MW/NE grid system, was able to "flip the switch" so to speak, to keep the cascade from going any further south and take out even more millions, including D.C. Thus we didn't get impacted by that here in Philly.

Mid-Atlantic power system saved region ** Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland were spared worst. Experts say we were lucky. ** Blackout 2003


By Gregory Karp and John Micek Of The Morning Call
The Morning Call • Aug 16, 2003 at 12:00 am


Four minutes. That's how long it took the mid-Atlantic power system to slam the door shut and safeguard millions of people from the worst power outage in U.S. history.

In the four minutes following 4:10 p.m. Thursday, circuit breakers instantly and automatically tripped in the mid-Atlantic power system, called the PJM, or Pennsylvania-(New) Jersey-Maryland Interconnection. That stopped the southward cascading blackouts from penetrating the region.

But it wasn't a total success. Blackouts nipped the northern tier of the PJM region, in northern New Jersey and northwestern Pennsylvania. The loss of power plants and power users in those areas upset the delicate balance of electricity flow.

So, technicians at the PJM command center in Valley Forge began scrambling to tweak the amount of electricity flowing through the system to again reach the crucial equilibrium. Losing that balance was what caused the lights to go out for some 50 million people from New England to Michigan. "If our system operators didn't take any action, we would have been down the tubes, like New York," said John Gdowik, senior analyst at the PJM.

https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-2003-08-16-3488707-story.html

I.e., you don't even need an "attack" when the maintenance is so poor and climate change has triggered more severe storms that can have a negative impact on those grids, whether due to the increase in intensity of tornadoes (more and more appearing beyond their normal "alley" - there was an EF1 tornado in a border county right outside of Philly just 2 days ago), stronger hurricanes, and more so-called "100 year" and "500 year" floods. Yet despite the rising costs of bills, there comes the rising salaries of the Utility industry CEOs.

[oldsoftie]

48. Yep, I remember that blackout. I've been screaming about it even before that

Back when I learned about the Carrington Event. And down here in the South, what passes for a winter storm can bring ICE instead of snow. And there goes a lot of power for a lot of people for some length of time.

[The Jungle 1]

29. The russian mob still operates basically unchecked in our country.

FBI Director Louis Freeh stated that over 200 of Russia's 6,000-odd crime gangs operate with American counterparts in 17 U.S. cities in 14 states.
Get them out. I don't care if some are innocent.
Give them a row boat and a push off shore.

[oldsoftie]

32. Thats a lot harder than it appears. We haven't been able to get rid of the OTHER gangs either.

Many of these people are now citizens, so they have rights. And the justice system works slowly to deport those types. TOO slow

[Evolve Dammit]

33. Do you have a link for these? That is what the right knows and wants to increase to bring it here

permanently. "Make America Russia"? Just great..

[Lucky Luciano]

35. I wonder if this is evidence of the Chechens being in Ukraine.

Mercenaries from the Central African Republic we’re also being brought in.

Those two groups would have no behavior considered out of bounds and would have no connections to Ukraine. They would be capable of absolute evil like the crimes they likely committed where they came from.

[oldsoftie]

41. I don't think those forces are competent enough to have succeeded in the attacks.

Look what happened to the supposed "crack special forces" unit from Chechnya? They were destroyed by UKR before they could even get near Kyiv

[bluestarone]

36. POOTYS crazy enough to push the nuclear button. ( I'm sure of this) BUT

Will the people in charge of actually pushing THAT button, do it? This, i DO NOT know. I just have to trust our leaders here to do the right thing. Like many here i want Russia to pay the ultimate price, but i see only PART of the picture! I support what ever is decided! (for what it's worth, i support NO FLY zone, to carry out war crimes investigation)

[IronLionZion]

38. Way too many Republicans are supporting Russia on this

From Tucker to Qanon to most of hate radio, these people are on the side of mass murder of unarmed civilians in pursuit of a political agenda.

If Russians weren't white, we could call it terrorism.

[BlueIdaho]

39. But we don't want to "upset" the Russians - right?

Fuck that shit.

[keithbvadu2]

42. Genius strategy acc to Trump

[JudyM]

43. A very sad K&R.

[Raine]

52. Give Ukraine what it's asking for and do it immediately!!! nt

[mathari]

54. Biden said he was a killer!

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/03/17/president-biden-vladimir-putin-russia-gma-newday-vpx.cnn

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

59. Outrage widens over Russian attacks Zelensky now calls a 'genocide'

ODESSA, Ukraine — Haunting images of dead bodies littering the streets of a Kyiv suburb and reports of civilian executions are triggering new international condemnation against Russia, as Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky demanded accountability for what he said amounts to “genocide.”

Ukrainian officials said they have asked the International Criminal Court to visit the mass graves seen in Bucha, a suburb northwest of the capital, so that experts can gather evidence of possible Russian war crimes. European leaders supported the call for an independent investigation and pledged to hold Russia accountable for what NATO’s secretary general described as “brutality against civilians we haven’t seen in Europe for decades.”

The calls for retribution came as Russian President Vladimir Putin appeared to be regrouping and shifting his focus away from Kyiv, near where Ukrainian forces are recapturing territory, and toward the country’s south and east.

Explosions rocked Odessa early Sunday as Russia said its missiles struck an oil refinery and fuel storage facilities — the first major strikes on the strategic Black Sea port city’s downtown. Tens of thousands of people remained cut off from desperately needed aid in Mariupol, which the Red Cross still hasn’t been able to reach.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/03/ukraine-russia-zelensky/

[ck4829]

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