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TheProle

(2,199 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:28 PM Apr 2022

Two COVID Variants Just Combined Into a 'Frankenstein' Virus

Source: Daily Beast

The first subvariant of Omicron, the latest major variant of the novel coronavirus, was bad. BA.1 drove record cases and hospitalizations in many countries starting last fall.

The second subvariant, BA.2, was worse in some countries—setting new records for daily cases across China and parts of Europe.

Now BA.1 and BA.2 have combined to create a third subvariant. XE, as it’s known, is a “recombinant”—the product of two viruses interacting “Frankenstein”-style in a single host.

With its long list of mutations, XE could be the most contagious form of the coronavirus yet. “From the WHO reports, it does appear to have a bit more of an edge in terms of transmissibility,” Stephanie James, the head of a COVID testing lab at Regis University in Colorado, told The Daily Beast.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/two-omicron-variants-just-combined-to-make-xe-a-frankenstein-covid-virus

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Two COVID Variants Just Combined Into a 'Frankenstein' Virus (Original Post) TheProle Apr 2022 OP
Why cant they mutate into something harmless Fullduplexxx Apr 2022 #1
Good thought, but my best guess is that then the virus would not survive. Viruses mutate to survive TeamProg Apr 2022 #5
That's it Deminpenn Apr 2022 #10
you can also have a virus deadly to one species but less lethal to a reservoir species Blues Heron Apr 2022 #18
Actually, viruses typically mutate to become PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2022 #11
Killing 100% of your host organisms BlueIdaho Apr 2022 #29
Mutations are a survival Traildogbob Apr 2022 #20
They eventually do, it is the only way for them to survive. Unfortunately can take a very long time toesonthenose Apr 2022 #27
Andromeda Strain DivByZero Apr 2022 #35
Wait a minute snowybirdie Apr 2022 #2
Yes, no COVID in Florida, no pedophiles, no mob, no gays, no orange juice, no rising seas, either. TeamProg Apr 2022 #6
And no rapists in Texas since Abbott promised to rid the state of them. Purrfessor Apr 2022 #23
Your guvnor says a lot of shit that ain't to be listened to...... lastlib Apr 2022 #19
Well that doesn't seem like a good name for something that occurred in nature. milestogo Apr 2022 #3
I can see the QAnon types right now.. "new Covid's comin' from yer Iphone XE or, XR, or X!" TeamProg Apr 2022 #8
And it's Joe Biden's fault! SergeStorms Apr 2022 #28
#XE going viral Achilleaze Apr 2022 #24
I'm sure they meant to say "Frankenstein's Monster." Frankenstein, you see, was the ... NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #4
COVID has evolved into a mad scientist IronLionZion Apr 2022 #7
Thank you Auggie Apr 2022 #14
That's FrankenSTEEN. Wednesdays Apr 2022 #21
And EYE-gore! GB_RN Apr 2022 #36
Wot 'ump? luvs2sing Apr 2022 #39
It is also not thought to be any more dangerous than the original Omicron oldsoftie Apr 2022 #9
It seems E. Normus Apr 2022 #12
Rather a clickbait headline from The Daily Beast muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #13
Sensationalism SCantiGOP Apr 2022 #17
My worries it will involve lifetime infections that come and go like shingles & tertiary syphilis. flying_wahini Apr 2022 #15
Tertiary Syphilis... GB_RN Apr 2022 #37
Grab your Sharpie and don't say 'Covid' bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #16
I agree, that's a terrible headline: Frankenstein was brought to life in a laboratory. C Moon Apr 2022 #22
The never-ending scourge Joinfortmill Apr 2022 #25
Well, the important thing now is to reopen everything and make masks optional Orrex Apr 2022 #26
Here we go again... Ford_Prefect Apr 2022 #30
Not good... calimary Apr 2022 #31
Don't come to the USA Catherine Vincent Apr 2022 #32
I would be careful about getting my science from journalists. NNadir Apr 2022 #33
"it does appear to have a bit more of an edge in terms of transmissibility" DavidDvorkin Apr 2022 #34
Some people really get off on the fear. BradAllison Apr 2022 #38
Yes, that's the problem DavidDvorkin Apr 2022 #40

TeamProg

(6,250 posts)
5. Good thought, but my best guess is that then the virus would not survive. Viruses mutate to survive
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:39 PM
Apr 2022

and survive by mutating as needed.

I'm not a professional scientist but I think that's the gist of it.


Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
10. That's it
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:52 PM
Apr 2022

viruses evolve to survive. Those that are very deadly don't survive because they kill their hosts thus ensuring their own demise.

The usual path is they mutate or evolve into being more infectious and much less deadly.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,902 posts)
11. Actually, viruses typically mutate to become
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:55 PM
Apr 2022

less lethal.

Smallpox is actually the best example. The original form, variola major, was often deadly, and left people scarred. In the 19th century, in two different parts of the world, it mutated and variola minor came about, which rarely killed and didn't scar. Around that time smallpox vaccination became common, and it has been wiped out in humans.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
29. Killing 100% of your host organisms
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:20 PM
Apr 2022

Is not a successful evolutionary path. I believe we are seeing a much different virus than the first one tracked. More contagious but less lethal.

Traildogbob

(8,821 posts)
20. Mutations are a survival
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:21 PM
Apr 2022

Technique for viruses. They need a host and aggressively make changes to find one they can exist in. Seems to me their BEST chance and an easy host are All GQP. Maybe they can evolve to identify GQP by their sickly brains and go after them and do us all a favor. At least they could attack all Red Hats (not sure they have eyes) as a Buffett for their mode of nutrition and best chance to have little to scientific defense against them. Red Hats should surely have a distinct smell of dead brain matter fir viruses I hone in on.

toesonthenose

(136 posts)
27. They eventually do, it is the only way for them to survive. Unfortunately can take a very long time
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:10 PM
Apr 2022

The viruses that kill their hosts don't have as great a chance to survive and replicate over the long term as the variants that develop and are less lethal. Those are able to survive for much longer as the host survives and gives them the ability to become the dominant variant over time. Kind of the opposite of the Trump family tree. The further down it got, the more lethal it became.

DivByZero

(38 posts)
35. Andromeda Strain
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:55 PM
Apr 2022

That’s what happened in the novel Andromeda Strain. But no self-respecting virus would do that, it’s adapt or die.

snowybirdie

(5,239 posts)
2. Wait a minute
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:33 PM
Apr 2022

Covid is over, isn't it? We can all go back to normal now. Hey I live in Florida and that's what our governor says!

TeamProg

(6,250 posts)
6. Yes, no COVID in Florida, no pedophiles, no mob, no gays, no orange juice, no rising seas, either.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:43 PM
Apr 2022


But the BEST Governor, EVER!


lastlib

(23,292 posts)
19. Your guvnor says a lot of shit that ain't to be listened to......
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:20 PM
Apr 2022

...but you knew that. Just ignore the gurgling sound from his direction.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
3. Well that doesn't seem like a good name for something that occurred in nature.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:33 PM
Apr 2022

If it were designed in a lab, that would be different.

TeamProg

(6,250 posts)
8. I can see the QAnon types right now.. "new Covid's comin' from yer Iphone XE or, XR, or X!"
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:47 PM
Apr 2022

"One o' dem anyway anymore, Apple's President Xi is gonna kill ya!"

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
28. And it's Joe Biden's fault!
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 02:12 PM
Apr 2022

But JFK Jr. is going to meet everyone in Dealey Plaza in Dallas on October 31, 2022 with the cure.

E. Normus

(79 posts)
12. It seems
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 12:56 PM
Apr 2022

to me that if a virus becomes so deadly that it kills 100% of it's hosts, it too will eventually cease to exist. So to mutate to a less lethal version seems to make evolutionary sense. But hey, I'm not a scientist.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,367 posts)
13. Rather a clickbait headline from The Daily Beast
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:05 PM
Apr 2022

and not really "news" - you posted about this yourself, 6 days ago: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216551927

"Frankenstein". Scaremongering.

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
17. Sensationalism
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:10 PM
Apr 2022

Headline is terrifying, then the actual statement says 'it does appear' that it might be 'a bit more' transmissible. BS.

flying_wahini

(6,659 posts)
15. My worries it will involve lifetime infections that come and go like shingles & tertiary syphilis.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:08 PM
Apr 2022

It won’t kill you, just disable you.

GB_RN

(2,384 posts)
37. Tertiary Syphilis...
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:59 PM
Apr 2022

Raphael "Ted" sCruz-ball (R-Batshit Crazy) suffers from that, according to (a) rumor (I just started). 😂

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
22. I agree, that's a terrible headline: Frankenstein was brought to life in a laboratory.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 01:44 PM
Apr 2022

If they're looking for a monster, I think a werewolf would be more fitting.

NNadir

(33,561 posts)
33. I would be careful about getting my science from journalists.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 03:18 PM
Apr 2022

They in general are as good with science as they are with concerns about Secretary Clinton's emails and other topics.

DavidDvorkin

(19,486 posts)
34. "it does appear to have a bit more of an edge in terms of transmissibility"
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 04:09 PM
Apr 2022

That doesn't sound anywhere near as terrifying as what's in the headline.

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
38. Some people really get off on the fear.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 08:14 PM
Apr 2022

The constant "THIS IS THE VARIANT" escalation is why people have had enough and will drop their guard

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