NATO will deploy a permanent full-scale military force on its border with Russia to combat a future

[Native]

Source: Businessinsider.com,

NATO will deploy a permanent full-scale military force on its border with Russia to defend its territory against a future Russian invasion, the alliance's chief said during an interview with The Telegraph.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told the newspaper that the alliance was "in the midst of a very fundamental transformation" that will reflect "the long-term consequences" of Russian President Vladimir Putin's actions.

"What we see now is a new reality, a new normal for European security," Stoltenberg said, per The Telegraph. "Therefore, we have now asked our military commanders to provide options for what we call a reset, a longer-term adaptation of NATO."

The alliance currently has a small "tripwire" presence to the west of Russia. NATO troop numbers have increased tenfold to 40,000 since the invasion of Ukraine, The Daily Mail reported.

Read more: https://www.businessinsider.com/nato-deploy-military-force-defend-borders-against-russia-stoltenberg-2022-4

[MarineCombatEngineer]

1. Do you get the sense that Putin's whole scheme has badly backfired?

Every time he threatens another country, they pretty much give him the finger and do the opposite of what he tells them to do or else.

[HUAJIAO]

3. Possibly.. if Le Pen wins.... things may start to turn in a different direction.

Fingers crossed today.

[Native]

8. Don't be discouraged over the first round of voting.

Everything I've read is pointing to the French doing the right thing during the second round.

[drray23]

19. last time le pen went to 2nd round with macron

he won with 66 % of the votes. The same thing will happen this time. She has enough votes to make it to 2nd round but not enough to win because at the 2nd round both left and moderate rights will rally behind Macron. I am a dual citizen (french-american) and I voted yesterday in Norfolk, VA in the french presidential elections. Expats can vote abroad. in the US its a day earlier than the bulk of the voters in France.

[Phoenix61]

6. He has shown Russia to be a paper tiger.

It will be less than that when the sanctions really hit it. Europe will never trust Putin for its energy sources again. On a global level, a huge push to develop other energy sources.

[JohnSJ]

11. Assuming Russia is a "paper tiger", would be a very bad mistake. What they are doing in Ukraine

shows they are anything but that.

That being said, re-enforcing NATO's strength in countries bordering Russia, it will definitely serve as a deterrent, and make it very unlikely that they will try another reckless adventure like they did in Ukraine. That isn't because they are a "paper tiger", but because they realize the odds would be very much against them.

[Phoenix61]

14. They have shown they can't plan a military campaign.

Their only plan is to bomb civilian targets to break the populations will to fight. That’s it. That’s the totality of their military strategy. They have no chance of taking over Ukraine and even less chance of holding any area they do take over. Their soldiers gave themselves radiation poisoning. Others are deserting and joining the Ukrainians in their fight against Russia. A paper tiger is a person or thing that appears threatening but is ineffectual. IMHO, the perfectly describes the Russian army.

[JohnSJ]

16. Respectfully, You are using the term wrong. Bombing the shit out of people is not a threat, but an

action

[Phoenix61]

23. The threat was Russia had a military

capable of conquering Ukraine and holding it. They have shown they clearly don’t.

[James48]

24. Not yet.

But they CAN murder a LOT of people in the process. Russia May have had a struggle for the first month- but this isn’t anywhere near being “over”.

[Phoenix61]

28. They will never have the troops to hold all of Ukraine

They sadly seem intent on killing as many people as they can.

[Delmette2.0]

17. They also will not teach the next generations about their mistakes.

As in Chernobyl. Those poor soldiers had no clue about the necular disaster. Now they will have a long painful death and not one will know why.

[blm]

9. They need to stay tough.

Hoping Macron pulls through today.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. Putin pooped himself

[PortTack]

13. Yes, as far as conquering Ukraine yes. But unfortunately a fair amount of success in other areas

Created a refugee crisis across Europe
A world wide food shortage/instability
Turned Ukrainian cities and villages into rubble
Killed thousands of Ukrainians, kidnapped over 120k children for relocation/adoption into russia.

Sickening!

[blm]

2. Putin PROVED the NEED for NATO.

Let Republicans run on undermining NATO now and see how far it gets them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Exactly. Spectacular putZin failure in so many ways. Now even Swiss aren't neutral in this. . . . nt

[pandr32]

18. +1

[henbuck]

4. What they should do is

Put a large military force on the Ukraine Russia border and bomb the piss out of the Russians.

[Marthe48]

5. THIS

^^^^^^^^^^^

n/t

[Polybius]

26. Not this

Because it would lead to this:

[Marthe48]

29. Hard to stand by and watch

I know there are reasons can't, shouldn't, won't. Chamberlain tried to appease hitler, and the world went to war anyway, and millions upon millions of people died. Is the world going down the same path now? The destruction of cities in Ukraine, the cruelty exhibited by the invaders, how can it be allowed to go on?

[Polybius]

35. It's not hard at all to me

Sure, tens of thousands or so dead is horrible, but the alternative is 3 billion dead. I also think Ukraine's got this, and will be victorious.

[PSPS]

20. I presume you're just letting off steam. That would be the worst thing to do.

Since Ukraine is not a NATO member, the introduction of NATO troops into Ukraine territory would be considered an aggression which the world community would never tolerate. Those actually in charge know what they're doing. It is frustrating, though, and I agree with you about that.

[EndlessWire]

27. I disagree.

Ukraine would welcome NATO in a heartbeat. It would not be an aggression, but a reaction to the aggression shown by Russia. This is all on Russia. The world knows this very well. The UN knows this very well. The only ones that don't seem to understand is Russia itself. No one buys their line of crap, and Putin brought about a self-fulfilling prophecy in that now they will have nothing but NATO neighbors--extremely well armed NATO neighbors. How stupid is Putin, anyway? Nothing China can do about it.

[Polybius]

25. Then we all die

Horrible idea.

[NoMoreRepugs]

12. VietNam, Iraq, Afghanistan - none truly threatened our way of life and Democracy IMO -

Pootie IS - if American troops have to fight so be it.

My granddaughter’s future may depend on it.

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. It's not the number of troops that matters as much as artillery and planes

The countries bordering Russia need to have the ability to lob artillery deep into Russia, as well as planes to attack advancing troops, rather than boots on the ground to fight Russians once they cross the border.

[lagomorph777]

30. Exactly. Don't let Russian military get within artillery range of the border.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

31. Russian militry can go right up to the border. It's their country.

We (NATO) can't enforce a De-Militarized Zone inside Russia. They can bring their artillery within an inch of Poland or Finland, completely legal.

Welcome back to the cold war.

[lagomorph777]

32. They've demonstrated that they will fire artillery across the border.

That's not legal.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

33. That's the "cold war" part.

Cold, until they fire.

[lagomorph777]

34. Then, shortly, cold after they fire.

Cold and dead.

[Evolve Dammit]

21. I hope all of NATO and our combined defenses are ready for anything. So fucking sad but we didn't

start this fire.

[blue-wave]

22. Well, Pooty

did after all, ask for this, didn't he?

[tirebiter]

36. This is yet another indicator of how forward thinking President Wilson was

To have the idea of a liberal foreign policy. He kept US Troops on the border of Russia until 1921. FDR was figuring out how to sell airplanes to Finland when Russia attacked Finland.

[Native]

37. Very interesting! I had no idea.