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brooklynite

(94,757 posts)
Sat May 7, 2022, 03:25 PM May 2022

Coronavirus wave this fall could infect 100 million, administration warns

Source: Washington Post

The Biden administration is warning the United States could see 100 million coronavirus infections and a potentially significant wave of deaths this fall and winter, driven by new omicron subvariants that have shown a remarkable ability to escape immunity.

The projection, made Friday by a senior administration official during a background briefing as the nation approaches a covid death toll of 1 million, is part of a broader push to boost the nation’s readiness and persuade lawmakers to appropriate billions of dollars to purchase a new tranche of vaccines, tests and therapeutics.

In forecasting 100 million potential infections during a cold-weather wave later this year and early next, the official did not present new data or make a formal projection. Instead, he described the fall and winter wave as a scenario based on a range of outside models of the pandemic. Those projections assume that omicron and its subvariants will continue to dominate community spread, and there will not be a dramatically different strain of the virus, the official said, acknowledging the pandemic’s course could be altered by many factors.

Several experts agreed that a major wave this fall and winter is possible given waning immunity from vaccines and infections, loosened restrictions and the rise of variants better able to escape immune protections.


Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/06/fall-winter-coronavirus-wave/



If the Administration is going to resist the "return to normal" mood, they need to show real leadership, develop a strategy and (however unpopular) pressure Democratic leaders to implement it, not just issue warnings.
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Coronavirus wave this fall could infect 100 million, administration warns (Original Post) brooklynite May 2022 OP
What is needed is an omicron specific vaccine speak easy May 2022 #1
Both Pfizer and Moderna are working on Omicron specific booster. LisaL May 2022 #4
Yes. yes speak easy May 2022 #5
Who knows if Omicron will even be the dominant variant by then? Polybius May 2022 #10
This is why I got my 4th jab. roamer65 May 2022 #2
That means I'm getting a second booster. eom Maraya1969 May 2022 #3
At this point the virus is now endemic and we will have to cstanleytech May 2022 #6
"At this point the virus is now endemic" BumRushDaShow May 2022 #9
Point is it's here to stay as I doubt we will be able to cstanleytech May 2022 #12
You know what? BumRushDaShow May 2022 #15
There are so many virologists working on it around the world, could happen. JudyM May 2022 #20
Minnesota's vaccination efficacy fast fading AGAINST SEVERE DISEASE progree May 2022 #19
"I don't know where the notion comes from where ONLY an annual shot is needed." BumRushDaShow May 2022 #22
Thanks much! I'll try to get the Minnesota graph out of my head, but am having progree May 2022 #23
At least you have a graph for the state BumRushDaShow May 2022 #24
Thanks much for all the info. (nt) progree May 2022 #27
Sorry for the data rant BumRushDaShow May 2022 #29
I'm always appreciative. And mesmerized by the bar chart of the ever-evolving variants progree May 2022 #32
It is pretty amazing to look at BumRushDaShow May 2022 #34
Once a year or a few shots throughout the year? XorXor May 2022 #14
Sharing is caring. COVID's over baby. Long live COVID. IronLionZion May 2022 #7
Moderna said they would have a variant vaccine this fall. ananda May 2022 #8
Last three days have been up around 100,000 new cases each day Blues Heron May 2022 #11
I also think we will see more and more louis-t May 2022 #13
What's the previous infection protection against severe disease greenjar_01 May 2022 #26
You mean it's not over? piddyprints May 2022 #16
Totally agree. We are going to be subject to variants and mutations for a long time. Let's hope Evolve Dammit May 2022 #17
Sounds like a good time for the CDC to release a new series of vague and contradictory guidelines Orrex May 2022 #18
I have 2 friends who currently have it and they were both fully vaccinated Rhiannon12866 May 2022 #21
I have Covid now and Akacia May 2022 #25
I'm really sorry. Rhiannon12866 May 2022 #28
thank you. Akacia May 2022 #31
My daughter in law's brother just caught it. He was vaccinated with booster. Not old enough Emile May 2022 #30
What about long-term effects of Covid-19? marie999 May 2022 #33

speak easy

(9,328 posts)
1. What is needed is an omicron specific vaccine
Sat May 7, 2022, 04:04 PM
May 2022

which can provide good protection against infection as well as serious illness.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
4. Both Pfizer and Moderna are working on Omicron specific booster.
Sat May 7, 2022, 04:13 PM
May 2022

Hopefully it will be ready by fall.

Polybius

(15,506 posts)
10. Who knows if Omicron will even be the dominant variant by then?
Sat May 7, 2022, 05:16 PM
May 2022

Perhaps it will go the way of Delta.

cstanleytech

(26,331 posts)
6. At this point the virus is now endemic and we will have to
Sat May 7, 2022, 04:31 PM
May 2022

simply get used to getting a yearly shot like we do for the flu in order to try and reduce the risks to ourselves.

BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
9. "At this point the virus is now endemic"
Sat May 7, 2022, 04:52 PM
May 2022

Here is the definition of "Endemic" (most of the sources basically say the same thing) -

What does Endemic mean?

A disease outbreak is endemic when it is consistently present but limited to a particular region. This makes the disease spread and rates predictable. Malaria, for example, is considered endemic in certain countries and regions.


And here is a description of the problem about the continued misuse of the term "endemic" -

WORLD VIEW
24 January 2022

COVID-19: endemic doesn’t mean harmless


Aris Katzourakis


The word ‘endemic’ has become one of the most misused of the pandemic. And many of the errant assumptions made encourage a misplaced complacency. It doesn’t mean that COVID-19 will come to a natural end.

To an epidemiologist, an endemic infection is one in which overall rates are static — not rising, not falling. More precisely, it means that the proportion of people who can get sick balances out the ‘basic reproduction number’ of the virus, the number of individuals that an infected individual would infect, assuming a population in which everyone could get sick. Yes, common colds are endemic. So are Lassa fever, malaria and polio. So was smallpox, until vaccines stamped it out.

In other words, a disease can be endemic and both widespread and deadly. Malaria killed more than 600,000 people in 2020. Ten million fell ill with tuberculosis that same year and 1.5 million died. Endemic certainly does not mean that evolution has somehow tamed a pathogen so that life simply returns to ‘normal’.

(snip)

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00155-x


As long as COVID-19 mutates and causes huge waves around the world (even if they don't overlap time periods), means it is NOT "endemic".

It's just like the term "herd immunity" that has been used over and over the past 2 years for this type of virus and has obviously proven to be a worthless assertion.

This is not to say that "annual" (or what might end up being "biannual" ) boosters aren't necessary. But this is showing more and more how simple measures at prevention of infection with mitigation can hopefully reduce the mutations, which will one day get this thing under control.

cstanleytech

(26,331 posts)
12. Point is it's here to stay as I doubt we will be able to
Sat May 7, 2022, 05:43 PM
May 2022

create a vaccine that protects use from all mutations of the virus.

BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
15. You know what?
Sat May 7, 2022, 06:50 PM
May 2022

I think that mRNA vaccine is gonna be a game changer and not just for COVID-19 but for other respiratory viruses.

I expect they may just be able to find that "common denominator" set of protein sequences along some part of the structure, that "defines" (and is present) across most, if not all of the coronaviruses (outside of the spikes), and then be able to tailor a vaccine that will cover that whole class of viruses.

progree

(10,921 posts)
19. Minnesota's vaccination efficacy fast fading AGAINST SEVERE DISEASE
Sun May 8, 2022, 01:28 AM
May 2022

I don't know where the notion comes from where ONLY an annual shot is needed.

COVID-19 in MN: Caseload rise may be leveling off; ICU needs low, stable, by Craig Helmstetter, 5/6/22
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/05/06/covid19-in-mn-rising-caseloads-may-be-leveling-hospital-needs-stable

The final graph in this week’s update demonstrates both the waning effectiveness of the original vaccination and virulence of the recent omicron strains. Most recently, Minnesotans who are vaccinated are just as likely as those who are unvaccinated to get COVID-19.

On the other hand, unvaccinated Minnesotans remain at least twice as likely to either get hospitalized or die from COVID-19 than is the case among those who are vaccinated. ((but these ratios are shrinking fast -Progree))


Unvaxxed relative to the vaxxed (my read of the graphs, approximate):
Cases: 1X,     Hospitalization: 2X     Deaths: 2.5X

these have all been in a generally falling pattern over the past year.

Last May: it was about 12X for cases and 20X for both hospital and deaths

I presume the "vaccinated" population includes those with and without boosters, but it doesn't say anything about that.



But this is just Minnesota (5.7 million pop) -- we're not even fly-over country, we're too far north for that, unless someone is flying to Anchorage or Tokyo, starting from the east coast south of Raleigh, then we see a few contrails.

BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
22. "I don't know where the notion comes from where ONLY an annual shot is needed."
Sun May 8, 2022, 05:31 AM
May 2022

We are definitely not there "yet". But based on the mechanism of how the mRNA vaccines work, and based on an interesting publication from researches looking at what is causing the inflammation reactions - in some, minimally but to others, it is to the level of triggering a severe response.

I had posted in other threads about this publication - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04702-4

The virus was found to not only land on cells that have ACE2 receptors, but was able to weakly attach to cells that are part of the immune response, and actually destroys them. I know they had earlier suspected this last year, but now some found what is actually happening and how to quantify it. I.e., the virus will alter those cells to self-destruct and spew substances that can cause high levels of inflammation when theyy die.

Inflammatory Insights
Study reveals how COVID-19 triggers severe immune response

By NANCY FLIESLER | Boston Children’s April 6, 2022 Research


Illustration of a macrophage battling bacteria. Image: urfingus/iStock/Getty Images Plus


This article is part of Harvard Medical School’s continuing coverage of COVID-19.

A study led by researchers at Harvard Medical School and Boston Children’s Hospital explains for the first time why COVID-19 causes severe inflammation in some people, leading to acute respiratory distress and multi-organ damage. Surprisingly, the study also finds that antibodies that people develop when they contract COVID-19 sometimes lead to more inflammation, while antibodies generated by mRNA COVID-19 vaccines seem not to. Findings were published April 6 in Nature. The team was led by Judy Lieberman, HMS professor of pediatrics at Boston Children’s; Caroline Junqueira, HMS research associate in pediatrics at Boston Children’s; and Michael Filbin, HMS assistant professor of emergency medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital.

“We wanted to understand what distinguishes patients with mild versus severe COVID-19,” said Lieberman. “We know that many inflammatory markers are elevated in people with severe disease, and that inflammation is at the root of disease severity, but we hadn’t known what triggers the inflammation.”

Fiery death of immune cells

The investigators analyzed fresh blood samples from patients with COVID-19 coming to the emergency department at Mass General. They compared these with samples from healthy people and from patients with other respiratory conditions. They also looked at lung autopsy tissue from people who had died from COVID-19. They found that SARS-CoV-2 can infect monocytes—immune cells in the blood that act as sentinels or early responders to infection—as well as macrophages, similar immune cells in the lungs. Once infected, the team found, both types of cells die a fiery death called pyroptosis that releases an explosion of powerful inflammatory alarm signals. “In the infected patients, about 6 percent of blood monocytes were dying an inflammatory death,” said Lieberman. “That’s a large number to find, because dying cells are rapidly eliminated from the body.”

Examining the lung tissue from people who died from COVID-19, they found that about a quarter of the macrophages in the tissue were dying. When the researchers studied the cells for signs of SARS-CoV-2, they found that about 10 percent of monocytes and 8 percent of lung macrophages were infected. The fact that monocytes and macrophages can be infected with SARS-CoV-2 was a surprise, since monocytes don’t carry ACE2 receptors, the classic entry portal for the virus, and macrophages have low amounts of ACE2. Lieberman thinks SARS-CoV-2 infection of monocytes might have previously been missed in part because researchers often study frozen blood samples, in which dead cells do not show up.


More: https://hms.harvard.edu/news/inflammatory-insights


And per this, what they have found is that the antibodies that the virus triggers (so called "natural immunity" ) are of a configuration that are booby-trappable whereas the ones generated by the vaccine have not been.

There have also been some evaluations about why you might have a family all living in the same household where all but one contract it and why (published this past January - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-27674-x) -

Health and Science
Why do some people get Covid when others don’t? Here’s what we know so far

Published Thu, Feb 3 20224:55 AM ESTUpdated Sat, Feb 5 202210:20 PM EST
Holly Ellyatt


One of the great mysteries that has emerged from the Covid-19 pandemic — and one that’s still being investigated by infectious disease specialists — is why some people catch Covid and others don’t, even when they’re equally exposed to the virus.

Many of us know entire households who caught Covid and had to isolate over the pandemic, but there are also multiple anecdotes of couples, families and colleagues where some people caught the virus — but not everyone. Indeed, Danny Altmann, professor of immunology at Imperial College London, told CNBC that studies indicate the likelihood of becoming infected within a household once one case is positive is “not as high as you’d imagine.”

‘Never Covid’ people

An increasing amount of research is being devoted to the reasons why some people never seem to get Covid — a so-called never Covid cohort. Last month, new research was published by Imperial College London suggesting that people with higher levels of T cells (a type of cell in the immune system) from common cold coronaviruses were less likely to become infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19.

Dr. Rhia Kundu, first author of the study from Imperial’s National Heart and Lung Institute, said that “being exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn’t always result in infection, and we’ve been keen to understand why.” “We found that high levels of pre-existing T cells, created by the body when infected with other human coronaviruses like the common cold, can protect against Covid-19 infection,” she said.

(snip)

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/03/why-do-some-people-get-covid-while-others-dont.html


So if they can find that apparent (previously/currently) circulating "benign" coronavirus that is the one (or one of the ones) that these "Never COVID" individuals had possibly contracted in the past, then a vaccine could be tailored to expand the body's ability to mount a more sustained immune response that doesn't need multiple boosters a year.

Based on your post, there was a WaPo article a few weeks ago that went into that increasing incidence of approaching parity between the vaccinated and unvaccinated - https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/ that was posted in this OP - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216640544

I posted some of the charts and graphs from that piece -







And also this -

(snip)

Jason Salemi, an epidemiologist at the University of South Florida College of Public Health, said the deaths of vaccinated people are among the consequences of a pandemic response that emphasizes individuals protecting themselves.

“When we are not taking this collective effort to curb community spread of the virus, the virus has proven time and time again it’s really good at finding that subset of vulnerable people,” Salemi said.

(snip)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/

progree

(10,921 posts)
23. Thanks much! I'll try to get the Minnesota graph out of my head, but am having
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:49 AM
May 2022

difficulty... in the Minnesota graph the death graph is quite noisy, but the hospitalization rate is quite a bit smoother. Anyway, the notion that one is virtually immune from severe illness, if one is vaxxed and boosted -- long a claim of the Covid Bubbly Optimists Brigade -- doesn't seem to be true anymore, if unvaxxed hospitalization is 1/2 the rate of the vaxxed (presumably including both boosted and non-boosted vax, darn, I wish they had been specific about that).

And some would say that the ICU graph would be more benign than the overall hospitalization, but it would presumably be somewhat similar to but a lower multiple than the death graph.

Maybe we can redefine severe illness to exclude non-ICU hospitalizations, and just call those "mild" too.

I understand that coverage for the uninsured Covid victims is gone, maybe they will just fade away.

BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
24. At least you have a graph for the state
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:50 AM
May 2022

Here in PA, after 2 years, someone made a decision sometime at the beginning of the month, that after having done daily updates of the data (either 5 or 6 days a week), they have stopped doing them daily, just as we are going into a new wave, and are now doing them "once a week on Wednesdays". The city has now done the same after being absolutely savaged by the local and national media when following the very guidelines they demanded that we develop.



We had a halting start of wave #7 that briefly slowed with the announcement of the mask mandate, and has now started increasing again with the unmasking. I had created an annotated chart showing the pandemic "decisions" up through the peak of Omicron -



And also noted that moderate to severe illnesses from breakthroughs were not universally "rare" (from here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16617987) -

And hospitalizations of vaccinated did occur and were much higher compared to earlier variants (from CDC - https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination).



Having a booster helped in that case -



So Omicron caused a surge of "breakthroughs" - just due to how the virus mutated. This doesn't mean the vaccines are useless but again is reflecting "raw numbers". The debate that suddenly had metrics shift to hospitalizations was due to a concern that many who were in the hospital during that last wave for other illnesses ended up testing positive for COVID. But the critical thing in this case would be for reported data to differentiate the "hospitalization caused by COVID" vs "hospitalization caused by something else but exacerbated by COVID".


There are at least 4 variants of Omicron, one after another, circulating -





progree

(10,921 posts)
32. I'm always appreciative. And mesmerized by the bar chart of the ever-evolving variants
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:45 PM
May 2022

as their MAGA moments rise and fall in quick succession

BumRushDaShow

(129,608 posts)
34. It is pretty amazing to look at
Mon May 9, 2022, 04:50 PM
May 2022

I have been keeping a pile of them including when Omicron came barreling in to replace Delta -



And before that, when Delta came in to replace what was mostly Alpha, with a hodgepodge of a few others like Gamma and Iota -



You can see among the variants, the "survival of the fittest" ones that ended up prevailing, at least over some period of time before being overwhelmed by the latest and greatest.

If anything, the variant situation has been simplified down to just one or two predominant ones, I suppose due to the vaccine and whatever immunity has been afforded to those who contracted it, however fleeting it is/was.

XorXor

(625 posts)
14. Once a year or a few shots throughout the year?
Sat May 7, 2022, 06:32 PM
May 2022

I got three shots over the past year, and while I didn't feel as bad as some people I know, I exactly feel great either. Once a year, I'm sure most people can do that. Most did that with the flu anyway. If it's several shots a year, I'm not sure how long people will stay vigilant.

I need to look up what happened with that US Army vaccine.

IronLionZion

(45,547 posts)
7. Sharing is caring. COVID's over baby. Long live COVID.
Sat May 7, 2022, 04:32 PM
May 2022

Yup, highly transmissible variant, plus no restrictions anywhere, plus waning immunity, means lots of infections.

I'm not eligible for a second booster yet but still hoping for an Omicron specific one to come out.

The administration is reluctant to implement unpopular restrictions during an election year. We may have fewer conservative voters.

Blues Heron

(5,944 posts)
11. Last three days have been up around 100,000 new cases each day
Sat May 7, 2022, 05:18 PM
May 2022

We were 1/4 of that just 5 weeks ago. Just shows how quickly this thing can get momentum. Essentially it’s doubled twice in 5 weeks. We’d have to get near to a million cases/day though to approach 100,000,000 cases in a hypothetical fall/winter wave, that’s ten times the rate we are seeing these last three days. But that’s only a little more than 3 doublings away.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
26. What's the previous infection protection against severe disease
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:42 AM
May 2022

I see a lot of graphs, but never that one...

piddyprints

(14,648 posts)
16. You mean it's not over?
Sat May 7, 2022, 07:30 PM
May 2022


Seriously … two of my friends decided to go to outdoor concerts without a mask and they got Covid for their trouble. You could not pay me enough to go to a crowded venue of any kind, indoor or out.

I got my 2nd booster (all 4 Pfizer) yesterday and would have gotten it sooner if I could have. The nurse who gave me my jab said that if people could see what she’s seen, there’d be a very long line for vaccinations and everyone would be wearing masks. This one has been very easy… a little soreness in my arm and some mild fatigue that actually could be attributed to the shitty weather we’re having and missing some sleep last night because of my restless cat. In any case, I’ll take a slightly sore and lethargic day over Covid.

Meanwhile. My husband and I are the ONLY people masking anywhere we go, except for the nurse yesterday. So, yeah, most people seem to think it’s all over with. If they haven’t gotten it yet, they won’t get it, etc. If they have gotten it, they’re immune for life. We’ve been wearing masks for so long that I would feel extremely vulnerable without one.

Evolve Dammit

(16,781 posts)
17. Totally agree. We are going to be subject to variants and mutations for a long time. Let's hope
Sat May 7, 2022, 09:11 PM
May 2022

the current vaccines and technology can keep up. One variant that vaccines or immunity doesn't "respond" to is a lot of death. People are acting like it's all over. They are fools. And you can't fix that, at this point.

Orrex

(63,228 posts)
18. Sounds like a good time for the CDC to release a new series of vague and contradictory guidelines
Sun May 8, 2022, 12:44 AM
May 2022

The most important thing, as always, is to keep the economy open, because otherwise a few billionaires might not make as many billions, and nobody wants that!

Akacia

(583 posts)
25. I have Covid now and
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:13 AM
May 2022

I am fully vaccinated and have had 2 booster shots. It has been relatively mild but still not a lot of fun. I believe I got it from work because they have so relaxed precautions. I was one of the few at work still wearing a mask but then I work with young children and they are little germ factories as it is.

Rhiannon12866

(206,197 posts)
28. I'm really sorry.
Mon May 9, 2022, 03:22 AM
May 2022

I spoke to another friend tonight who claimed to have had it, but said it only lasted three days. I guess it affects everyone differently, my friend who I know was both vaccinated and boosted as well, like you, seems to have been hit the hardest. And she also received the pills which are supposed to mitigate the symptoms. She said this is also available via injection, which might have been more effective, but she chose the pills because she felt bad enough that she didn't want to leave the house.

I'm in Northeastern New York and we currently appear to be hit the hardest in the country right now. I read that the mask mandate really should be reinstated in these parts, but they rescinded it, then reinstated it, then rescinded it again - and I guess that they don't dare reinstate it a second time. If only they'd left it in place when people were used to it for so long, but I'm sure there would be a rebellion if they reinstated it again now.

I rally hope you feel better soon. I'm just getting over the flu which I've had for a month - was diagnosed with flu "Type A" on April 9th - and I also got a flu shot.

Emile

(22,983 posts)
30. My daughter in law's brother just caught it. He was vaccinated with booster. Not old enough
Mon May 9, 2022, 05:50 AM
May 2022

for the second booster.

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