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867-5309.

(1,189 posts)
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:12 PM May 2022

AG Garland directs U.S. Marshals to help 'ensure the Justices' safety'

Source: CNBC

The head of the Department of Justice on Wednesday directed the U.S. Marshals Service to “help ensure” the safety of Supreme Court justices after the leak of a draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade stoked fierce outrage from abortion-rights supporters.

The draft, which showed the court poised to strike down the legal protections for abortion that had stood for nearly 50 years, spurred activists to protest at the Supreme Court building — and outside some of the conservative justices’ homes.

Attorney General Merrick Garland “continues to be briefed on security matters related to the Supreme Court and Supreme Court Justices,” the Justice Department said in a statement.

Garland, himself a former Supreme Court nominee, “directed the U.S. Marshals Service to help ensure the Justices’ safety by providing additional support to the Marshal of the Supreme Court and Supreme Court Police,” the DOJ said...

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/11/garland-directs-us-marshals-to-ensure-supreme-court-justices-safety-after-abortion-draft.html

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AG Garland directs U.S. Marshals to help 'ensure the Justices' safety' (Original Post) 867-5309. May 2022 OP
I refer the conservative Justices to the legal principle of Don't Start No Shit, Won't Be No Shit. LudwigPastorius May 2022 #1
Pretty sure your principle has no legal weight behind it. LiberatedUSA May 2022 #3
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the ghost of George Tiller MD is asking where the US Marshals were maxsolomon May 2022 #2
Yepper spot on...... turbinetree May 2022 #8
Exactly Rebl2 May 2022 #44
Nice to know that Garland is on the job. Firestorm49 May 2022 #71
How many U.S. Marshals protect clinics? Doctors? Patients? Solly Mack May 2022 #4
Sorry, but only the mullahs get/need protection in theocratic dictatorships PSPS May 2022 #9
Silly me. Solly Mack May 2022 #10
Mueller, er I mean Garland showing his muscle again!! Peregrine Took May 2022 #5
AG Garland must be a little bored looking for shit to keep himself busy. Autumn May 2022 #6
Being that they are royalty, kings queens with the ultimate say over this country yaesu May 2022 #12
Castles? DoBotherMe May 2022 #52
Kind of 3auld6phart May 2022 #13
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I think Obama thought choosing a "Republican" would be a good faith bipartisan move. Autumn May 2022 #37
Protection for me but not thee? pwb May 2022 #7
+1000 Diamond_Dog May 2022 #16
Did Jen Psaki and her family receive protective service or were those threats deemed insignificant? JudyM May 2022 #11
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I haven't heard a single gd incident that one of those asses were in harm's way Marthe48 May 2022 #14
Well said, Marthe48 Diamond_Dog May 2022 #17
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So Faux pas May 2022 #15
I offer up the same thoughts and prayers for the 5 conservative justices as I am sure the Republican cstanleytech May 2022 #18
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Separation of powers Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #22
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WTF are you talking about? Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #26
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I responded to your ranting about Grand Juries Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #31
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If you're looking for a place to relax, I'm not sure DU is the place. Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #36
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*sigh* perhaps a high school civics class would be helpful? Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #30
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Please put me on ignore then. Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #35
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Feel free to post a link to support your assertion Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #46
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Yeah! EndlessWire May 2022 #27
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You almost certainly wouldn't be in jail for ignoring a congressional subpeona Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #33
Well, contempt of congress EndlessWire May 2022 #40
You are describing Inherent Contempt, which Congress hasn't enforced for nearly 90 years Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #49
The Federalist Society strikes again. dchill May 2022 #41
Garland can sure hop-to when members of his club need him Fullduplexxx May 2022 #42
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What about our fucking safety?? How about an investigation into seditionist Clarence? Evolve Dammit May 2022 #45
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oh pul-eese! charity starts at home orleans May 2022 #47
I posted this earlier today in a different post ... aggiesal May 2022 #48
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Don't forget Snyder v. Phelps tonekat May 2022 #72
Garland doing his job. So how can we make it his fault? Beastly Boy May 2022 #50
So Garland decides to move his ass on this? hamsterjill May 2022 #51
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Must have finished rearranging the socks in his sock drawer then... BlueIdaho May 2022 #55
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This is a violation of the separation of powers SpankMe May 2022 #60
The Marshall service is specifically tasked with judicial security. PoliticAverse May 2022 #66
Between the DOJ resources devoted to investigating Hunter Biden kairos12 May 2022 #61
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Considering how many women the Alito Five are putting in mortal danger DFW May 2022 #65
The poor justices need protection? SuperCoder May 2022 #67
How sweet of him. A coup is one thing, but peaceful protest and sidewalk chalk Scrivener7 May 2022 #68
Funny how he can 'click his heels' MOMFUDSKI May 2022 #69
Oh for fucks sake. How protecting the nation from ReTrumplican Fascism. Magoo48 May 2022 #70
I hope Justices Kagan, Jackson, Breyer, and Sotomayor are getting... VarryOn May 2022 #73

LudwigPastorius

(9,139 posts)
1. I refer the conservative Justices to the legal principle of Don't Start No Shit, Won't Be No Shit.
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:24 PM
May 2022

Yes, people tend to get a little testy when you conspire to strip them of a basic human right.

...and, AG Garland, don't you have something else you should be doing?

Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #1)

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
2. the ghost of George Tiller MD is asking where the US Marshals were
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:28 PM
May 2022

when he was assassinated by an Anti-Choice Terrorist while attending church.

Solly Mack

(90,764 posts)
4. How many U.S. Marshals protect clinics? Doctors? Patients?
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:30 PM
May 2022

They get actual death threats and bomb threats.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
6. AG Garland must be a little bored looking for shit to keep himself busy.
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:35 PM
May 2022

The SC should pay for their own fucking safety. I'm beginning to think that these people that we give a good life to really don't like us regular people. And they really don't like people who have uteruses.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
12. Being that they are royalty, kings queens with the ultimate say over this country
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:45 PM
May 2022

I'm surprised they don't demand moats dug around their castles.

DoBotherMe

(2,339 posts)
52. Castles?
Thu May 12, 2022, 11:09 PM
May 2022

Did you see those shitholes they live in? McMansiony plastic shacks with NO character. Those people are trash.

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Autumn

(45,066 posts)
37. I think Obama thought choosing a "Republican" would be a good faith bipartisan move.
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:53 PM
May 2022

That worked out real well.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
7. Protection for me but not thee?
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:36 PM
May 2022

The pukes brought this on themselves and if doctors homes and clinics can be protested so can you.

JudyM

(29,236 posts)
11. Did Jen Psaki and her family receive protective service or were those threats deemed insignificant?
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:43 PM
May 2022

Response to JudyM (Reply #11)

Marthe48

(16,949 posts)
14. I haven't heard a single gd incident that one of those asses were in harm's way
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:47 PM
May 2022

People who want civil and person rights aren't the ones with clubs, guns and bear spray.

Why doesn't the ag and dept. of justice protect our voting rights, which are in harm's way?

Response to Marthe48 (Reply #14)

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
18. I offer up the same thoughts and prayers for the 5 conservative justices as I am sure the Republican
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:05 PM
May 2022

Senators offered Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
22. Separation of powers
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:17 PM
May 2022

Executive branch (marshalls) doesn’t enforce subpoenas from the legislative branch.

Marshalls enforce subpoenas from federal courts and grand juries.

Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #22)

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
26. WTF are you talking about?
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:28 PM
May 2022

The Grand Jury was convened in February, and has been calling witnesses.

Calling witnesses is customary before issuing indictments.

I think a more honest, direct question would be “why isn’t the DOJ indicting people fast enough to satisfy ME?”

For the answer, you’ll have to look to yourself.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
36. If you're looking for a place to relax, I'm not sure DU is the place.
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:51 PM
May 2022

DU provides a lot of things- information, entertainment , debate, camaraderie.

But relaxation doesn’t come to mind when I think of DU (and I’ve been here for a long time).

If you’re looking for relaxation, might I recommend the “Calm” app for mindfulness?

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
30. *sigh* perhaps a high school civics class would be helpful?
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:33 PM
May 2022

Congress passed a bill authorizing funds for the security of SCOTUS family members.

Garland and the DOJ took an oath to faithfully execute the law.

Quite different than using the executive branch to enforce an internal legislative branch matter (which is what a Congressional subpoena is). It only becomes external with a criminal referral for the crime of Contempt of Congress. DOJ would only be involved to prosecute the crime, and enforce any punishment.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
35. Please put me on ignore then.
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:47 PM
May 2022

But I will continue to respond when you, or anyone else, spouts nonsense or misinformation.

I’m not trying to start fights, however I cannot let furious rants containing falsehoods pass without comment. Your posts contained numerous false statements.

As Timothy Snyder said, “when we abandon facts, we abandon freedom”.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
46. Feel free to post a link to support your assertion
Thu May 12, 2022, 09:39 PM
May 2022

In cases of Inherent Contempt, the Sgt. at Arms and deputies arrest and detain the defendant. I can find no source where US Marshals were used legally, unless perhaps they were deputized and acting as instruments of the Congress, but again I found no source. In any case, it’s been close to 90 years since the Congressional power to arrest and detain someone found in Inherent Contempt has been used.

In Civil and Criminal contempt cases, due process through the executive and judicial branches applies.

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EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
27. Yeah!
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:28 PM
May 2022

That's what we want to know. They're not showing any respect even for themselves by not enforcing contempt citations which are legal and just.

WE would be in jail.

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
33. You almost certainly wouldn't be in jail for ignoring a congressional subpeona
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:40 PM
May 2022

Go ahead and Google the last time someone was incarcerated for contempt of Congress.

Now if you ignored a court or grand jury subpeona, you would indeed sit in the slammer until you complied,

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
40. Well, contempt of congress
Thu May 12, 2022, 09:04 PM
May 2022

means that you can get held in jail without any ability for the President to pardon you. They used to have a jail right in the building for that; probably not there anymore when there are better facilities for holding rat weasels in custody.

There are legal mechanisms for grabbing them up, otherwise the subpoena power is worthless, and they might as well issue a party invitation. Pardon me for wishing that the law was upheld. These slippery weasels need to be held accountable.

For the record, all weasels should be prosecuted and convicted; only one should be set adrift on the high sea without a country to return to. The rest should be in prison without privileges of any kind.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
49. You are describing Inherent Contempt, which Congress hasn't enforced for nearly 90 years
Thu May 12, 2022, 09:47 PM
May 2022

And detainment for Inherent Contempt can only last for the duration of that congress.

The max penalty for criminal contempt of congress (what Bannon and Meadows have been referred for) is one year.

Using Inherent Contempt in the modern age would almost certainly be seen and framed as an overt political act, despite the need to hold scofflaws accountable.

On the other hand, contempt of court can carry a penalty of indefinite detention- ask Susan MacDougal. At some point, I expect We’ll see if Meadows, Bannon et al have the cojones to defy a judicial subpeona…

dchill

(38,484 posts)
41. The Federalist Society strikes again.
Thu May 12, 2022, 09:04 PM
May 2022

Should these people be serving in a Democratic administration?

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Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
45. What about our fucking safety?? How about an investigation into seditionist Clarence?
Thu May 12, 2022, 09:16 PM
May 2022

and his lovely insurrectionist wifey

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orleans

(34,051 posts)
47. oh pul-eese! charity starts at home
Thu May 12, 2022, 09:43 PM
May 2022

maybe he should start by helping to protect our fucking democracy!
(asshole!)

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
48. I posted this earlier today in a different post ...
Thu May 12, 2022, 09:45 PM
May 2022

Then there is this 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼

When discussing the propriety of protesting outside of supreme court justices' homes, it's important to remember that in the 90s the court held that protesting outside of the homes of **abortion clinic employees** is protected by the first amendment

This should be displayed everywhere someone is protesting a judges home.

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tonekat

(1,814 posts)
72. Don't forget Snyder v. Phelps
Sun May 15, 2022, 04:57 PM
May 2022

When the Court upheld Fred Phelps and the Westover Baptist Church were within their First Amendment rights picketing funerals.

Seems like it's OK for the extreme right wing but not for the left??

Beastly Boy

(9,326 posts)
50. Garland doing his job. So how can we make it his fault?
Thu May 12, 2022, 10:12 PM
May 2022

Oh yeah, he can walk and chew gum at the same tome. Unforgivable! Disqualifying! Off with his head!

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
51. So Garland decides to move his ass on this?
Thu May 12, 2022, 10:51 PM
May 2022

Seems to me there are other, more pressing items on the agenda.

SMFH…

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SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
60. This is a violation of the separation of powers
Fri May 13, 2022, 12:20 AM
May 2022

I'm serious. The judiciary is its own branch of government and is responsible for its own security. The legislative branch has its own security and police force and arranges for its own security. The executive doesn't send troops into the capital building. Same with POTUS and the executive branch (where the AG has jurisdiction).

There was no effort to extend executive branch protection for the liberal justices, who get death threats weekly. But some chalk pavement pictures in front of Coney Barrett's house and all of a sudden we have a SCOTUS security crisis.

Congress should up the court's budget for security, the court should increase the size and scope of its own security force, and the AG should prosecute conspiracies and crimes directed toward the justices and the courts. But, Garland shouldn't dispatch federal cops to the court.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
66. The Marshall service is specifically tasked with judicial security.
Fri May 13, 2022, 04:52 AM
May 2022

The U.S. Marshalls service operates under the direction of the Attorney General.

From: https://www.usmarshals.gov/duties/

The U.S. Marshals Service is the nation’s oldest and most versatile federal law enforcement agency. Federal Marshals have served the country since 1789, oftentimes in unseen but critical ways. To this day, the Marshals occupy a uniquely central position in the federal justice system. It is the enforcement arm of the federal courts, and as such, it is involved in virtually every federal law enforcement initiative.

...

Judicial Security

Protection of federal judicial officials, which includes judges, attorneys and jurors, holds a high priority with the Marshals Service. Deputy marshals use the latest security techniques and devices at highly sensitive trials throughout the nation. Fully-trained, contract officers comprise the agency’s Court Security Officer (CSO) Program. These specially deputized officers have full law enforcement authority and occupy a vital role in courthouse security. The Marshals Service protects more than 2,000 sitting judges and countless other court officials at more than 400 court facilities throughout the nation.

The Marshals Service also oversees each aspect of courthouse construction projects, from design through completion, to ensure the safety of federal judges, court personnel and the public.


Also see: https://www.justice.gov/jmd/organization-mission-and-functions-manual-united-states-marshals-service
The USMS ensures the functioning of the federal judicial process by:

protecting members of the judicial family (judges, attorneys, witnesses, and jurors);

providing physical security in courthouses;


kairos12

(12,858 posts)
61. Between the DOJ resources devoted to investigating Hunter Biden
Fri May 13, 2022, 12:22 AM
May 2022

and guardians protecting the Religious Prophets of SCOTUS they must be running low on people.

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DFW

(54,370 posts)
65. Considering how many women the Alito Five are putting in mortal danger
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:58 AM
May 2022

I think there is some genuine confusion as to just who needs protection from whom.

 

SuperCoder

(300 posts)
67. The poor justices need protection?
Fri May 13, 2022, 06:46 AM
May 2022

Maybe AG Garland should be focusing more on, I don't know...ARRESTING them instead?

You know, for lying to get on the bench?

MOMFUDSKI

(5,524 posts)
69. Funny how he can 'click his heels'
Fri May 13, 2022, 09:17 AM
May 2022

IN A HURRY for those SC idiots but not one real thug has been touched in all these months. I am disgusted.

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