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Behind the Aegis

(53,913 posts)
Fri May 13, 2022, 04:52 PM May 2022

Students protesting teacher they say pushes conservative views on them

Source: ABC KTUL - TULSA, OK

Students at Memorial High School are calling for change.

Some, like junior Savannah Durbin, are even calling on the Tulsa Public School Board to fire a Memorial teacher.

Durbin said the teacher is blurring the line between church and state by sharing her religious and political beliefs at school.

"We were all yelling to fire her and get her out of the school," Durbin said.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/students-protesting-teacher-they-say-pushes-conservative-views-on-them/ar-AAXb6Ql?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ae37652073284b48a8e715f24e6baa13



She is the science teacher! Talk about "indoctrination"!
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Students protesting teacher they say pushes conservative views on them (Original Post) Behind the Aegis May 2022 OP
Every time she spouts some right wing nonsense louis-t May 2022 #1
And have their cell phones on record. Prof. Toru Tanaka May 2022 #37
no azureblue May 2022 #44
IOKIYAR TheRealNorth May 2022 #2
My junior high socials teacher in the 70's was an avowed communist OnlinePoker May 2022 #26
I wish he could have met my HS Civics teacher in the 1970s. yardwork May 2022 #43
Record Her Ass DanieRains May 2022 #3
Racism/bigotry is fine to teach, but not CRT or just that racism is wrong. Hoyt May 2022 #4
These types do exist bucolic_frolic May 2022 #5
Because of Koch. He endows over 300 university economics departments, & demands input on hiring. ancianita May 2022 #28
While True... ProfessorGAC May 2022 #38
It's had its impact. ancianita May 2022 #42
Look at this woman's 'platform': Life and Guns come first, education last. Figures. CurtEastPoint May 2022 #6
Should be kept at least 250 feet from any children. And 50 miles from any legislature. erronis May 2022 #8
Nutters for jebus. paleotn May 2022 #10
She can't be a Christian...at least not a real one COL Mustard May 2022 #18
I noticed that, too! She's a 'hip' Krisschinn. CurtEastPoint May 2022 #19
Bu bu but.... COL Mustard May 2022 #20
She's also wearing pants, she cuts her hair, and has pierced ears Glorfindel May 2022 #22
Probably a born again. The worst kind. Meadowoak May 2022 #24
She has makeup on also. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #32
It can't cover the COL Mustard May 2022 #34
Republicans have really opened up a Pandora's box. sop May 2022 #7
The goal is to destroy public education. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #33
kudos to these kids Skittles May 2022 #9
She's running for state senate; this coverage is like free advertising right at her target market NullTuples May 2022 #11
Well, It's Oklahoma SoCalDavidS May 2022 #12
I had teachers like that years ago. TomSlick May 2022 #13
I will place even money nothing will happen. It's only if it's a "liberal groomer" AZLD4Candidate May 2022 #14
That kind of thing was common when I was in high school decades ago. BigDemVoter May 2022 #15
I also had an English teacher in 10th grade that spouted his virgdem May 2022 #23
This harkens back to my school days in the 60s when teachers japple May 2022 #16
The students should ask her about conservative/Christian pedophiles and other examples of their mora keithbvadu2 May 2022 #17
Sounds like grooming to me. Grooming religious nutters. NoMoreRepugs May 2022 #21
I am proud of the students standing up to brainwashing. Had a big BLM student rally today. Evolve Dammit May 2022 #25
Hey! lonely bird May 2022 #27
I don't want any politics in the classroom, in my church, at a sporting event... VarryOn May 2022 #29
Kick Omaha Steve May 2022 #30
I had a civics teacher in the early 70s The Jungle 1 May 2022 #31
Same here - Civics in the 70's in high school SouthernDem4ever May 2022 #35
I got a talking to melm00se May 2022 #36
Oh my! Conservative teachers share their views, too? Martin68 May 2022 #39
Would be good to hear the teacher's side Loki Liesmith May 2022 #40
In her words Behind the Aegis May 2022 #41
I had a shorthand teacher that in every class gave her "sermon" . Alwaysna May 2022 #45

azureblue

(2,144 posts)
44. no
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:06 AM
May 2022

Simply ask her to prove her postulate using the scientific method. Like the way a chemistry demonstration is done.. If she can't then she proves her theory is invalid...

TheRealNorth

(9,462 posts)
2. IOKIYAR
Fri May 13, 2022, 04:56 PM
May 2022

if I was in H.S. today and I had a H.S. history teacher like I did back then, knowing what I know today, I would tell him where to shove his Lost Cause states-rights B.S.

OnlinePoker

(5,714 posts)
26. My junior high socials teacher in the 70's was an avowed communist
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:30 PM
May 2022

He literally had a hammer and sickle flag on his desk. Everything was how great life was in the USSR and how the capitalist system was collapsing. I can't remember what he was actually supposed to be teaching, but that's all I remember from that semester of class.

yardwork

(61,526 posts)
43. I wish he could have met my HS Civics teacher in the 1970s.
Sun May 15, 2022, 09:44 AM
May 2022

He was hysterically fearful of communism and constantly talked about the communist threat. He had a map on the wall of "communist" nations - all in red - and when I questioned whether Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, etc. we're actually communist he asked me why I was a communist sympathizer.

bucolic_frolic

(42,980 posts)
5. These types do exist
Fri May 13, 2022, 05:05 PM
May 2022

Business schools are rather conservative, with a few who can't help themselves. But religious sorts, of various stripes, pop up here and there too. The right rails against the left, but the left falls behind. But I would also say balance is lacking. Teachers, to avoid conflict, to focus on their subject matter, to do their jobs, should be advised to try to walk down the middle, but allow a left or a right point of view here or there. Total neutrality is devoid of context and meaning. You can't convert everyone no matter how hard you try.

ancianita

(35,898 posts)
28. Because of Koch. He endows over 300 university economics departments, & demands input on hiring.
Sat May 14, 2022, 01:08 AM
May 2022

I've got the list.

ProfessorGAC

(64,789 posts)
38. While True...
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:15 PM
May 2022

...it's probably money needlessly spent.
The economics community in grad schools have been hugely populated by hard core libertarians since well before i was in MBA school.
Since my focus was in economics & finance i knew lots of instructors. I met ONE Keynesisn. All the rest were Cato, Heartland, or U of C types.
That was way before Chuckles got involved.

ancianita

(35,898 posts)
42. It's had its impact.
Sun May 15, 2022, 06:32 AM
May 2022

Who do you think founded Cato.

Apparently he doesn't see his spending as needless. His money built ALEC, which, as you know, offers libertarian-to-neocon templates for non-lawyers in state legislatures that have swung their states to the Right -- like WI, MI, AZ and PA.

Democrats have had to fend off his ALEC crap in these battlegrounds for decades.

He was a Mont Pelerin president, and Frank Knight, one of its founders, was the head of the University of Chicago Economics Dept, which boasted itself the most conservative on the planet, regularly validated by friends influencing the awarding of Nobel prizes. James M Buchanan got one of them; he's the guy who wrote the language of economics that systematically covered up southern institutionalized racism. He's the guy who literally wrote Pinochet's constitution for minority rule.

In the last 20 years, Koch has impacted the federal courts.

Between 1997 and 2017, the Koch brothers gave more than $6 million to the Federalist Society, a nonprofit institute that recruits libertarian and conservative judges for the federal judiciary, according to a tally by the activist group Greenpeace.

Mr. Koch’s efforts on the Supreme Court intensified after Donald Trump’s election, when a Republican-controlled Senate opened the way to install judges who could tip the court’s ideological balance. Americans for Prosperity undertook national campaigns to support President Trump’s previous Supreme Court nominees, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh. A.F.P. said the Kavanaugh campaign alone — fliers, digital ads and staff for phone banking and door knocking — ran into “seven figures.”
Now, Americans for Prosperity is doing the same for Judge Barrett. A.F.P. activists are pressuring U.S. senators in several states, with a particular eye toward vulnerable Democrats like West Virginia’s Joe Manchin. The group is also working in Alaska, where Republican Lisa Murkowski has given mixed signals about whether she is willing to vote on Judge Barrett’s nomination before the next president is elected.


Now he's near winning an Article V convention to rewrite OUR Constitution. It will likely have the same required 2/3 vote to create ANY federal laws, or to federally fund pandemic help, national parks privatizations, or climate change crises. Finally, what will be the public's chances of a 2/3 vote to codify any law that his SCOTUS strikes down.

Legislatures in nine states — Arizona, Georgia, Alaska, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Indiana, Oklahoma and Louisiana — have signed on to the Convention of States resolution. Texas appears likely to join in, as the state Senate approved a Convention of States bill in February. Republican Gov. Greg Abbott is fiercely campaigning for a convention and has deemed it an “emergency issue.” In 2016, he published a 70-page plan that includes nine proposed amendments aimed at severely limiting federal authority, even allowing a two-thirds majority of the states to override a Supreme Court ruling or a federal law.
https://billmoyers.com/story/kochs-to-rewrite-constitution/

I'll say this: you might minimize his impact, but Jane Mayer and others wouldn't have written books that center on him and his influence across the oligarchic class if he hadn't intended to capture the United States government. Now we on the other side of his network smokescreen ignore him at our peril.

COL Mustard

(5,864 posts)
18. She can't be a Christian...at least not a real one
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:16 PM
May 2022

She has a tattoo, so she's clearly in violation of whatever the Scripture is about marking your body.

COL Mustard

(5,864 posts)
20. Bu bu but....
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:19 PM
May 2022

She's violatin' the Scripture! Clearly she's heading for H E Double Hockey Sticks! Can't pick and choose yer theology, I was told.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
32. She has makeup on also.
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:25 AM
May 2022

Leviticus 19:28—"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you"—so as to prohibit tattoos, and perhaps even makeup.

sop

(10,076 posts)
7. Republicans have really opened up a Pandora's box.
Fri May 13, 2022, 05:38 PM
May 2022

Did they really think kids and parents would simply roll over and play dead while they hijacked public school curriculums to spread their revisionist rightwing history and nonsensical conservative christian superstitions?

TomSlick

(11,082 posts)
13. I had teachers like that years ago.
Fri May 13, 2022, 06:39 PM
May 2022

I didn't have the good sense not to argue with them.

Maybe it was because I enjoyed arguing with teachers like that that I went on to become a lawyer. Or it could be that the personality trait that caused me to argue with them is why I went on to become a lawyer.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,639 posts)
14. I will place even money nothing will happen. It's only if it's a "liberal groomer"
Fri May 13, 2022, 06:55 PM
May 2022

Whatever the hell that means.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
15. That kind of thing was common when I was in high school decades ago.
Fri May 13, 2022, 06:55 PM
May 2022

I remember an English teacher who flat out proselytized all of her students and made negative comments to Jewish students and other students of non-Christian religions. NOTHING happened to her despite complaints. I think it must have just been the time when people still got away with shit like that.

But thankfully today is different. Even in conservative Oklahoma, this shouldn't fly. I'm pleased to see that there ARE people who are complaining.

virgdem

(2,122 posts)
23. I also had an English teacher in 10th grade that spouted his
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:40 PM
May 2022

Conservative garbage. It was 1968, but politics really had no place in a 10th grade English class. Some things never change.

japple

(9,797 posts)
16. This harkens back to my school days in the 60s when teachers
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:12 PM
May 2022

talked about happy slaves, happy negroes. I wish I had been as strong as these students who are protesting. It was the early days of school desegregation in GA and we looked at each other when these ignorant comments were made, but we didn't feel like we had the power to take on the school system.

keithbvadu2

(36,622 posts)
17. The students should ask her about conservative/Christian pedophiles and other examples of their mora
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:14 PM
May 2022

The students should ask her about conservative/Christian pedophiles and other examples of their morality.

Jesus had a lot to say about divorce and possible resultant adultery from remarriage.

Maybe some Bible quotes about killing babies and incest and such for her wall.

Evolve Dammit

(16,689 posts)
25. I am proud of the students standing up to brainwashing. Had a big BLM student rally today.
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:06 PM
May 2022

It warmed my heart to see hundreds of students saying they have had enough; "No justice, no peace." I can't imagine the never-ending barriers and differential treatment being brought to bear since birth because of SKIN COLOR. Such utter bullshit and contrary to our CONSTITUTION. No wonder the right-wing hate the Constitution so much. The promotion of all men created equal really pisses them off. To add women to that makes their heads explode for the last 100 years. Because as Orwell pointed out in 1984, "Some are created more equal than others." I think I got that right.

lonely bird

(1,674 posts)
27. Hey!
Fri May 13, 2022, 09:46 PM
May 2022

I thought that they couldn’t make kids uncomfortable.

Oh, that was about making white kits uncomfortable about slavery.

Sorry, never mind.

(Where the bleep is my sarcasm button?)

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
29. I don't want any politics in the classroom, in my church, at a sporting event...
Sat May 14, 2022, 02:37 AM
May 2022

Or at a concert. Politics neednt be a part of every damn thing. And I love politics...the debate, the machinations of getting laws passed, working in campaigns, reading blogs of all persuasions.

Flying today from a few days in Tuurks and Caicos, I had no idea the politics of my pilots. Didn't need to know, didn't want to know.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
31. I had a civics teacher in the early 70s
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:18 AM
May 2022

He informed us in the beginning of the year. You will never know if I am a hawk or a dove. Mostly the class was a group debate. There was a lot to debate in the early 70s. Americans were being sent to the jungle with guns that jammed.
I look back with fondness, he taught us how to think! Not what to think, how. Mr Kern thank you.

The problem now is that the right only wants their message distributed. They are getting their way and we must stop them.
It is great that the students are saying NO. That is good stuff.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
35. Same here - Civics in the 70's in high school
Sat May 14, 2022, 09:15 AM
May 2022

Very informative class. It didn't involve religious bullcrap and was very pointed on societal law and processes. It seems students today aren't exposed to critical thinking until they get to college.

melm00se

(4,984 posts)
36. I got a talking to
Sat May 14, 2022, 12:16 PM
May 2022

from my department head and principal when I discussed the historicity of some figures from the past.

They included
- King Arthur
- Robin Hood
- William Tell
- Siddhārtha Gautama
- Mohammed
and I included Jesus Christ as well as Siddhartha Gautama and Mohammed

My dept head and principal got calls from parents who bitched that I was teaching Christianity and others bitching I was talking down Christianity and alternated between being a liberal commie and a conservative fascist.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
40. Would be good to hear the teacher's side
Sat May 14, 2022, 11:39 PM
May 2022

Students may have some motivations they aren’t telling us. Or they might be on target.

Alwaysna

(574 posts)
45. I had a shorthand teacher that in every class gave her "sermon" .
Mon May 16, 2022, 03:34 AM
May 2022

I resented her pushing her religion on us. Therefore, I used my big denim bag as a pillow and spread out my curly "hippie" hair and rested until she was ready to teach which was about 30 minutes into class.. One day she stood in front of me and stated " girls who put their heads on their desk will not learn shorthand". I ignored her and practiced my shorthand lessons and and earned an A in all quarters . I'm sure it pissed her off to be forced to give me all A's when I repeatedly ignored her sermons. Funny thing, the one day the principal sat in the class she had no sermon that day.

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