Coup to remove cancer-stricken Putin underway in Russia, Ukrainian intelligence chief says
Source: Fortune
A coup is underway to oust Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is "very sick" due to cancer, according to Ukraine's head of military intelligence.
"It will eventually lead to the change of leadership of the Russian Federation. This process has already been launched and they are moving into that way," Ukrainian Major Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told the UK's Sky News in an exclusive interview.
An interviewer asked if a coup is underway, to which Budanov replied, "Yes. They are moving in this way and it is impossible to stop it."
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The Sunday Times recently reported that Putin has blood cancer, citing an unnamed Russian oligarch with close ties to the Kremlin. And a video recently resurfaced showing Putin shaking while welcoming Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko in mid-February, according to The Independent, fueling speculation that the despot has Parkinson's disease.
Read more: https://fortune.com/2022/05/14/does-putin-have-cancer-coup-underway-blood-cancer-ukraine-war/
Hopefully, if this turns out to be accurate, the next Russian dictator isn't as evil as Putin.
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SheltieLover
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bucolic_frolic
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KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)Oligarchs care more about their money than Ukrainian lives.
Roy Rolling
(7,626 posts)Markets suddenly stopped plunging. It was like when all the water is sucked away from the beach before a tsunami comes roaring back. Strange market action indeed.
Here’s a short term chart of the Dow Jones Industrial Average last week. It abruptly rallied nearly 1,000 points from Thursday’s low.
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TexasBushwhacker
(21,196 posts)But if I did, I'd be buying right now.
dchill
(42,660 posts)Maraya1969
(23,494 posts)yaesu
(9,301 posts)office ASAP by any means available. Its very hard to believe that any self aware russian authority would let him commit national suicide
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)But if his death is the only quick way to end this invasion and terrorism, including the rape of children, then I'm for it. And I hope it comes soon.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)COL Mustard
(8,196 posts)But then again, to be fair, we DO have one and didn't use it.
yaesu
(9,301 posts)threat so I'd say that was a pretty "yuge" failure.
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)COL Mustard
(8,196 posts)If you prefer a wetter option.
Personally I don't care how they take him out...as long as they hurry the fuck up.
Jim__
(15,219 posts)
live love laugh
(16,374 posts)
area51
(12,682 posts)
milestogo
(23,063 posts)I hear he's experienced.
LW1977
(1,611 posts)
Turbineguy
(40,044 posts)
mjvpi
(1,931 posts)umroman
(55 posts)I've had cancer. And I'm ok with Putin having it too.
Traildogbob
(13,010 posts)Demand half staff flags if he is ousted or dies.
enid602
(9,681 posts)They can give him a state funeral in the lobby of Trump Tower.
brush
(61,033 posts)he was pulling trump's strings 3 or 4 years ago. He's puffed up with steroids or whatever they're treating him with.
Buh-bye, Pootie.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)My dear, sweet, kind husband has cancer, and it's no laughing matter. But we both have been commenting lately on how Putin appears to no longer have a neck. His head looks like a giant melon plopped right down on his clavicles.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)charge the Ukrainians on his horse and commit suicide by war?
Just an idea.
groundloop
(13,827 posts)Big talk but they refuse to put themselves or their offspring in harms way.
Trueblue1968
(19,239 posts)captain queeg
(11,780 posts)I’m sure the Russian hierarchy is getting tired of their military looking bad. They had a fierce reputation that is quickly desolving. Financial situation is suffering.
I wonder what kind of blood cancer he has? There are many, most are treatable to some degree if caught early. If it’s a blood cancer what sort of surgery would they perform!
ForPeace
(144 posts)
Ford_Prefect
(8,606 posts)
Grokenstein
(6,354 posts)if they're smart his handlers will have chosen someone who knows how to keep his head down for a long, long time...until "Great Russian Bear" recovers from the world's response to the invasion.
In the meantime, prepare for the "secret" invasion of the US--election interference, Internet attacks, Republicans--to continue and even intensify.
drray23
(8,734 posts)I think the new leader would have an easy out . He would say that the war in Ukraine was Putin's doing and was wrong and therefore we are withdrawing our troops back to mother Russia where they belong hoping to get a relief from sanctions in order to rebuild.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)trying to take out your enemy, would you announce it to the world?
davsand
(13,446 posts)If your goal is to provoke an error from a paranoid leader you could always start the rumor of an insurrection and and "watch hilarity ensue" as the leader starts eliminating perceived threats. It's bad form to be killing off people who are part of your inner circle--it makes everyone nervous. If the sudden deaths of a bunch of Russian rich folks is any indicator, I think there might be some "purging" going on already.
If the rumor of a mutiny isn't enough to tip the balance, adding the rumor of a serious--weakening--illness can add even more fuel to the fire.
Laura
Delphinus
(12,517 posts)May it work quickly and may his replacement end this atrocity.
mjvpi
(1,931 posts)Gore1FL
(22,950 posts)I don't think it is as (or can be as) fast-moving as anyone would like.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Right?
Oh wait, I forgot. Republicans.
Whatever.
cloudythescribbler
(2,598 posts)I really don't know what is the best strategic path forward for democracy within Russia today, but clearly whatever insider forces at work that might oust Putin are simply not going to produce a truly democratic outcome. Humanitarian results require a merger of humanitarian intentions w/real savvy and the ability to make that savviness & humanitarian-ness effective.
Now WHERE is that -- in Russia or for that matter in the US? How will planet stave off runaway global warming, I have no idea
Crowman2009
(3,522 posts)
groundloop
(13,827 posts)louis-t
(24,614 posts) lonely bird
(2,933 posts)The report would be "he died of concrete poisoning".
PatrickforB
(15,420 posts)freezing assets, you KNEW the oligarchs wouldn't stand for it. They are cutting their losses by getting rid of Vlad.
IronLionZion
(51,212 posts)That's what he gets for trying to topple other governments (US and Ukraine)
birdographer
(2,937 posts)If what goes around really does come around, when exactly will it be coming around for trump? There was a time I would say this illness is karma, it is his body reflecting his soul, all that--but with cheeto still alive, apparently physically well (if not mentally, which his moron ass-kissing disciples don't care about), and performing evil, I no longer believe that.
IronLionZion
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Warpy
(114,595 posts)and won't be any better than Putin is, if this turns out to be real. While they're spouting antidemocratic propaganda and extolling the virtues of good old Russian fascism on state TV, I don't hold out much hope of any improvement.
I do know there have been persistent rumors about Putin's physical health (which is the least of his worries) over the last six months or so. I haven't seen any obvious signs of illness, but I haven't seen him walk, either.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)A cut your losses & rebuild your nation kind of guy maybe?
Warpy
(114,595 posts)Putin's been in power for 20 years. He's fired, exiled, imprisoned, defenestrated, or poisoned everybody but his yes men.
treestar
(82,383 posts)things are different. If Putin's not there to have to be a yes man to, it's that person's turn to have power.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,604 posts)will act in Russia's best interests. Clearly, war against UKR is not. So we should expect a withdrawal so that Russia can begin restitution and rehabilitation. Being cut off from imports doesn't sit well.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)
Wednesdays
(22,551 posts)"He's like the new CEO of the same corporation. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
As it turned out, Gorbachev was a game-changer.
Warpy
(114,595 posts)because a lot of people blame him (and not the stupid war in Afghanistan topped off by the Chernobyl catastrophe) for the collapse of the Soviet Union, something that had increased their living standards year after year. Since they've been "free," their living standard has stagnated or declined as one kleptocrat after another has looted the country and reinvested relatively little. People in the big cities are doing OK. People outside them have gotten poorer.
LLCARD
(23 posts)Although many lives where lost, Putin being removed would be a victory for the Biden administration. The Biden admin lead the way in getting consensus for massive sanctions, providing billions of dollars in military assistance and large amounts of intelligence/ advice.
This could be another very good victory for Biden and USA before mid terms
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)ALL of that would be immensely important in Nov. If we could knock a dollar+ off the price of gas it would be HUGE.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)what makes you think they will lower them then?
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Right now oil is near its highs. The US doesnt set oil prices; they're set globally.
And while they certainly are taking advantage of it now, I haven't seen anyone say just what gas prices SHOULD be. I know taxes are different in each state, but how can gas in GA be 3.85 bt in CA its 6.50? There isn't a 3.00 difference in taxes!
TheRickles
(3,372 posts)It's Big Oil calling the shots, not the mythical "free market": https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)We were in the 3.20s. At oil's high we were around 4.30. But traders set the price more than the companies. Its just like a stock price; the price changes throughout the day. Thats not the oil companies, its the traders. Hillary Clinton talked about this last time they were sky high. Are they higher than they SHOULD be? Yes. But its not ALL the fault of the oil companies. The traders have a larger share of the blame IMO. Along with Putin of course. The last dollar is on HIM.
3825-87867
(1,935 posts)can get him an emergency supply of Ivermectin and Bleach. I hear it does wonders for everything.
Rand certainly wouldn't block that now, would he?
Joinfortmill
(21,109 posts)
Deminpenn
(17,481 posts)It could be targeted at Russian troops in Ukraine to demoralize them or for inside Russia although there is no independent news source to carry it. Even if this news did get through, given the daily drumbeat of state propaganda, few would believe it.
maxsolomon
(38,686 posts)Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
Evolve Dammit
(21,766 posts)happening "in their name."
ratchiweenie
(8,210 posts)as he is. Maybe that isn't who the coup people would choose though.
LudwigPastorius
(14,689 posts)After, his own predilection for dispatching his enemies with polonium, that would be some real karma.
Escurumbele
(4,088 posts)I know someone who at a party decided to talk politics with me, said "Putin is a genius", just repeating what his idol had said...Well, now we are seeing what a genius the guy is who is loosing an invasion.
Come to think of it, GW Bush also lost an invasion...I always thought invasions were supposed to be winning military adventures...but then again...GW Bush, Putin...hmm.
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)didnt have a blanket.
Joinfortmill
(21,109 posts)Raine
(31,174 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)Come on you tyrant, hurry up and depart this earth.
lastlib
(28,216 posts)I was hoping they could operate on the cancer and remove the Putin. This blood cancer wouldn't be a good candidate for that. Maybe it will cure itself; I hope they can rid it of that awful disease.....
SuperCoder
(300 posts)...be reporting on this in the mass media where Putrid can, I don't know...actually read it?
herding cats
(20,047 posts)He's paranoid enough it's possible these things leave barbs behind.
Xolodno
(7,349 posts)...and the Chinese President during Tiananmen Square.
These type of rumors always pop up. One thing it does tell me, the opposite is true.
If there was any quiet attempt at a coup, announcing it just brought down the entire conspiracy. What they are really hoping, Putin gets unnerved and starts rolling heads. Doubt if it will work.
eggplant
(4,191 posts)
Skittles
(171,638 posts)let me know when something actually happens
Lithos
(26,637 posts)or something to throw some chaos into the Russian government - a mental psyche...
I would not doom scroll over this - if it happens - it will be very apparent - if not, then just not.
Not something to waste a ton of anxiety over.
L-
duforsure
(11,885 posts)I think this could be true, and with the military, oligarchs, and FSB, and the russian people fed up with putin and his illegal war , and all his lies , look at this as a opportunity for change. His picked replacement will not last long, but the next one could bring real change for russia and its people. putin has already lost this war, and his propaganda war on the truth, and maybe soon his battle with his illness.
disndat
(1,887 posts)maybe, even with Putin's approval to save face from his failing war. The Oligarchs are hurting with the
sanctions and the threat to liquidate their wealth to pay for the massive destruction in Ukraine.
spike jones
(2,019 posts)It failed. They did not want to get rid of him because of the evil things he was causing, but because he was losing the war. They wanted him gone so they could take over and win the war.
Ziggysmom
(4,123 posts)"excuse" to bail out if this failed mess?
LudwigPastorius
(14,689 posts)the oligarchs would appoint Medvedev to fill the slot. ...another asshole.
However, I believe Russia could back off of some of its demands, and real negotiations to end the war could begin under him.
tavernier
(14,435 posts)to turn around and go in the same direction with his chosen successor? Not sure I believe that.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And they'll say he passed from his illness, but I would be shocked if he wasn't taken out to end the nightmare he's caused for so many. He also made a lot of enemies with his murdering of his own.
DFW
(60,159 posts)What is going on now is S.O.P. for when change is looming. Have one group claiming dire health problems (whether true or not is not relevant), and another group denying it. This way, if and when he is forcibly "retired," the timing and manner are open to those who will ultimately make those decisions. If Russia shold regain the upper hand in the conflict AND with their economy, all rumors of his illness were just so much western propaganda. If he gets removed, he succumbs to the illness he was rumored to have had all along. He said it was this way with Stalin (there is some strong evidence for that), Andropov (kidney failure?) and Chernyenko. At least when they ditched Khrushchev, it was in the open, and he survived to a genuine retirement. He is absolutely confident that Putin will not be the leader of Russia by the end of the year. I find that a rather bold prediction, but he's the one who grew up and lived under Russian rule, not me.
Our neighbor has some serious military experience, having been sent with the Soviet Army to fight in Afghanistan. He says that although their weapons have improved somewhat since then, their tactics and lilitary strategy have not. Although he doesn't hold out much hope of good intentions on the part of any successor to Putin, what may force some pragmatism into the equation could be the fact that Russia is probably running out of trained military manpower and non-nuclear armaments. They will not, like Hitler, resort to inducting 14 year old boys as a last-ditch military force.
Unilike the Third Reich in 1945, today's Russia remains uninvaded, with its considerable natural resources intact (or what 70 years of "socialist" mismanagement left of it, anyway, and that's still plenty), and an economy that could be quickly started up again as soon as it is re-integrated into the world economy. Any new leader will most likely be no stranger to the corruption that made Putin rich. But you can't enjoy the spoils of looting your country if there's nothing to loot, or no place to sell it if you find something. If you already enjoy all the perks of being the absolute ruler of Russia, whether you have $500 billion stashed somewhere or "a mere" $25 billion stashed somewhere, it isn't going to matter much. If all you need to do is snap your fingers for any food, lodging, transportation or assassination you desire, you don't need a lot of extra pocket money, after all.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Pachamama
(17,563 posts)Putin isn’t the only festering cancer in that country and it’s operational infrastructure. It is rotten to its core and throughout with corruption and kleptocracy.
I see little to no chance of things changing dramatically from where they are now for Russia until there quite literally is a massive uprise of its citizenry and there could be a complete rebuilding with someone like Navalny as the future presidency leading the way and hoping to rebuild and gain the trust from the outside world again. This is a big dream because unfortunately the cancer of Russia permeates it’s core and even many of the people who are ordinary citizens who have been brainwashed by decades of propaganda and culturally from the time of Stalin are distrusting of even each other.
NCjack
(10,297 posts)paleotn
(22,182 posts)with powerful players being removed and some simply "disappearing". However, it's hard to sift the truth from the propaganda. Not faulting Ukraine. Propaganda is a weapon in any conflict, sometimes to sow discord in the enemy camp. I hope it's true, and brings a quick end to this conflict. But I also worry about who will then take charge of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Russia tends to simply swap one strongman for another.
infullview
(1,128 posts)I just did a little research on Putin's symptoms and what type of blood cancer he may have. Myeloma is likely, and is treated with steroids which explains his erratic paranoid behavior. The downside is you can live for 5 to 10 years after diagnosis. No idea how far alone he is, but probably not far enough to die any time soon.
Wednesdays
(22,551 posts)Better Days Ahoy
(706 posts)... upon the evil among us. I will sleep soundly knowing that Putin's "bad blood" cancer is an appropriate way to end the disease of his life. Wishing the same upon the leader of Belarus. No mercy. F them all.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)For a murderous dictator to watch himself be ousted while in his hospital bed can’t possibly be fun. He must be aware that tyrannical dictators never have a retirement plan.
ananda
(35,095 posts)The coup-ers are very likely the worst of the worst.
C Moon
(13,630 posts)
soldierant
(9,348 posts)We can hope, but I wouldn't bet any important ody parts on it. Their bench, so to speak, is made up of oligarchs, and oligarchy is not good at developing leaders with empathy.
DFW
(60,159 posts)Of course, in the opaque world of Kremlin intrigue, allegiance is about solid as vodka at room temperature. Putin could be out, in again, and out again within a weekend. He didn't stay where he is for this long by being careless. Any group or individual intent on removing him will have made extravagant arrangements to make sure their "replacement process" doesn't backfire on them, because if it does, the consequences would be somewhat more drastic than exile to a luxury Manhattan condo.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)If there were there would be army units openly fighting at the kremlin.
That's not to say skullduggery is not afoot. That is likely a constant.
But wishing a coup is not conducting a coup.
And like it or not, putin likely has thousands of loyal agents who will disappear anyone who doesn't even appear to be enthusiastically supporting him.
Doctors and nurses surely know both they and their families will be tortured and killed if putting dies under their care.
There will be no medication errors or slips of a blade. If the patient dies, the staff will suffer worse.