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ripcord

(5,553 posts)
Fri May 27, 2022, 10:27 AM May 2022

Parole recommended for Manson family member Patricia Krenwinkel

Source: CNN

A parole board in California recommended that Patricia Krenwinkel, a former Charles Manson follower and convicted murderer in the notorious 1969 killing spree, should be released, officials said Thursday.

The decision will head to the Board of Parole Hearings Legal Division for review, a spokesperson for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said.

Krenwinkel, 74, was convicted of seven counts of first-degree murder in the August 1969 Manson family attacks that left seven people dead. Among the victims was pregnant actress Sharon Tate, who was married to director Roman Polanski, Folger Coffee heiress Abigail Folger and celebrity hairstylist Jay Sebring.

She had been denied parole 14 times since her conviction. The review process by the legal division could take up to 120 days. After that, the proposed parole decision goes to the governor's desk, where he has the authority to either reverse the decision or allow it to stand, according to the CDCR spokesperson.



Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/manson-family-patricia-krenwinkel-parole/index.html



She deserves to die in prison like all domestic terrorists who commit murder.
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Parole recommended for Manson family member Patricia Krenwinkel (Original Post) ripcord May 2022 OP
Agreed. Die in prison. There is no redemption for their acts. Lucky Luciano May 2022 #1
she deserves to die in prison. I hope the Governor rejects her appeal. samsingh May 2022 #2
"Krenwinkel, 74, was convicted of seven counts of first-degree murder." Botany May 2022 #3
No. Never. lastlib May 2022 #4
no the (Swear)way. for ever , AllaN01Bear May 2022 #5
She's spent her life in prison. She'd have to go to a halfway house for any more she gets Warpy May 2022 #6
So at what age would you advocate for the release of the Buffalo and Uvalde shooters? nt ripcord May 2022 #10
Irrelevant. They're dead. Warpy May 2022 #12
You and the board are both wrong. ZonkerHarris May 2022 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #30
Don't think you have to worry about Manson ever being outside of a prison, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #31
I'd forgotten he was mortal, after all. Warpy May 2022 #37
The Buffalo shooter is not dead. Demsrule86 May 2022 #34
Manson died in 2017. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2022 #41
Buffalo shooter isn't dead Danmel May 2022 #13
Tex Watson managed to have kids while incarcerated bedazzled May 2022 #15
He's a bornagain Christian so of course he was allowed. Warpy May 2022 #27
Nope, sorry taxpayers; this one needs to stay in jail for life as sentenced. Backseat Driver May 2022 #25
Here's and alternative view. Charles Manson never entered the homes where the killings took place, Martin68 May 2022 #7
Not true at all MerryHolidays May 2022 #11
I was unaware that Manson had been there before the murders, but my point stands. The jury Martin68 May 2022 #32
"alternate facts" never get you anywhere. just ask Kellyanne ZonkerHarris May 2022 #18
Kellyanne is about to make a lot of money publishing her book. In her case, alternative facts Martin68 May 2022 #33
Nope, she should never be released...she brutally murdered...people. Demsrule86 May 2022 #35
The kids who shot up a school in Arkansas resulting in 5 deaths have been walking free for years tenderfoot May 2022 #8
No, no, no. They killed a pregnant woman. Joinfortmill May 2022 #9
no way in hell she gets out on parole rollin74 May 2022 #14
absolutely fucking not. Charlie died in prison and she should too. ZonkerHarris May 2022 #16
This is not justice! Lunabell May 2022 #19
I don't think she'll get parole. . . . I seriously don't. BigDemVoter May 2022 #20
And don't forget their reason for doing this ripcord May 2022 #21
That's right. I didn't forgot that, but it kind of slipped my mind as I was focusing more on BigDemVoter May 2022 #22
parole was denied for Leslie Van Houten Skittles May 2022 #23
I disagree...she stabbed one of her victims 70 times. Demsrule86 May 2022 #36
Rosemary LaBianca was the only one she stabbec Skittles May 2022 #39
Umm, no. Never. paleotn May 2022 #24
The only reason she lived to see 1980, much less 2022, was because all death sentences imposed in Midwestern Democrat May 2022 #26
Newsom won't allow it. He hasn't in the past. And on top of that, it's a big election year. C Moon May 2022 #28
No way, Jose Oscarthegreat May 2022 #29
put her in solitary confinemant and give her a couple of meals a day. demigoddess May 2022 #38
She was young when the killings occurred stollen May 2022 #40
I take it most here absolutely don't believe in any kind of redemption. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2022 #42
I believe in redemption TexasBushwhacker May 2022 #43
The state has already shown a substantial amount of mercy in... LudwigPastorius May 2022 #44
Hear, hear nt Retired Engineer Bob May 2022 #45
Do you think Krenwinkle has redeemed herself? GoldandSilver May 2022 #47
She terrorized and murdered 7 people along with her friends. GoldandSilver May 2022 #46

Botany

(77,324 posts)
3. "Krenwinkel, 74, was convicted of seven counts of first-degree murder."
Fri May 27, 2022, 10:53 AM
May 2022

She needs to die in prison.

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
6. She's spent her life in prison. She'd have to go to a halfway house for any more she gets
Fri May 27, 2022, 11:45 AM
May 2022

Life on the outside is often terrifying for lifers. It might be kinder to keep her inside, where things are more predictable.

Still the 70 something old woman she is today is a far cry from the brainwashed, star stuck,drug addled, crackpot religion obsessed 20 something who participated in those horrible atrocities. She's a threat to no one these days.

Inside or in a halfway house, she's not going to be completely free. I would imagine it's a financial decision at this point, prison being a lot more expensive than a halfway house.

And for the harshly punitive crowd, she hasn't just been deprived of bar hopping and shopping malls (neither of which she could tolerate now), she's been deprived of all the milestones of life the people she grew up with took for granted: falling in love, getting married, having kids, having grandkids, having a place in the world. That is the life sentence she has already served. So punitive people shouldn't get their noses too far out of joint if she goes to a halfway house. Her life is already gone.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
10. So at what age would you advocate for the release of the Buffalo and Uvalde shooters? nt
Fri May 27, 2022, 01:00 PM
May 2022

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
12. Irrelevant. They're dead.
Fri May 27, 2022, 01:24 PM
May 2022

However, I don't want to see Charles Manson outside a prison. He's an incredibly manipulative sociopath and still dangerous.

Krenwinkel, on the other hand, was a follower. She'd have made a fine Evangelical but she found Manson first. Even if she finds another lunatic to barnacle herself onto, she's not a threat.

The board agrees with me, apparently, she's been granted parole.

Response to Warpy (Reply #12)

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
31. Don't think you have to worry about Manson ever being outside of a prison,
Fri May 27, 2022, 05:55 PM
May 2022

unless you count his grave as outside a prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
37. I'd forgotten he was mortal, after all.
Fri May 27, 2022, 06:49 PM
May 2022

I'll still be a little afraid he'll dig his way out. I hope he was buried face down.

bedazzled

(1,885 posts)
15. Tex Watson managed to have kids while incarcerated
Fri May 27, 2022, 01:50 PM
May 2022

I know how he did physically ... but I don't know how this was allowed to happen

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
27. He's a bornagain Christian so of course he was allowed.
Fri May 27, 2022, 04:15 PM
May 2022

He also earned a baccalaureate degree. He's probably a godly model prisoner.

His parole was denied in 2021, so the next hearing will be in 2026. He'll be 82 if he's still alive, probably going from prison to nursing home. He won't be welcomed home to children and grandchildren, the wife divorced him and I think she remarried. Let's hope her taste improved.

Backseat Driver

(4,671 posts)
25. Nope, sorry taxpayers; this one needs to stay in jail for life as sentenced.
Fri May 27, 2022, 03:40 PM
May 2022

I hope Gov Newsome overturns the parole board's recommendation. Until every last homeless child runaway, individual, couple, family is safely in treatment with appropriate housing, food, medical care, in that state, she should stay in jail not get assistance in a half-way house, retirement community, or assisted living. I've no sympathy that she's missed all those landmarks of living free in society. Hey, look where that got her when stuff, including taxes, was even less expensive. Further, since when can't prisoners marry and have conjugal visits? No penpals, no young-at-heart or aging, deplorable suitors wanted to exploit her story with kindness or a book advance? She does have a place in the world: prison for life and, at this point, she needs to stay where she's least likely to irresponsibly fall to the violent world it's become because she's one of the contributors to an equally disrespectful violent cult of hate that mows down children and murders the old grandmothers every day of the year. At some point in her actions of rebellion against society within that Mason cult of crime, murder, and mayhem, she had lots of opportunities to apologize and ask for help with repentance, and failed to make the right one. I hope she's now terrified of those freedoms outside her bars. Ask a few GQP to pay a few more bucks to keep her in the style to which she's now accustomed. But you're likely correct insofar as she's long past menopause and female usefulness since she can't be forced to give birth!

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
7. Here's and alternative view. Charles Manson never entered the homes where the killings took place,
Fri May 27, 2022, 11:51 AM
May 2022

but he was convicted of brainwashing the perpetrators. Krenwinkel was teenage messed up runaway who was brainwashed by Manson using LSD and other drugs. Her crime was extremely heinous, but she is 74, and no longer a danger to society. She's been in prison for more than 50 years. At the very least it would save the taxpayers money to release her. Clearly the posters above will disagree, but that's my ten cents.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
11. Not true at all
Fri May 27, 2022, 01:18 PM
May 2022

Manson went into the LaBiancas' house first and tied them up, bringing the others in. He was most definitely there.

Similarly, he was in Gary Hinman's house and sliced his ear, leaving him to eventually die with 3-4 other family members.

Take a look at some of the Family who are still alive: they are huge fans of Manson and help perpetuate his evil, even today. He is a cult hero to a number of people.

What Patricia Krenwinkle did was too awful. She was spared the death penalty. Spending the rest of her life in prison is what she deserves.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
32. I was unaware that Manson had been there before the murders, but my point stands. The jury
Fri May 27, 2022, 06:27 PM
May 2022

agreed with Bugliosi that Manson was guilty o f first degree murder because he had brainwashed his cult members. If that is true, they had less than complete control over their actions at the time.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
33. Kellyanne is about to make a lot of money publishing her book. In her case, alternative facts
Fri May 27, 2022, 06:28 PM
May 2022

paid quite well.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
35. Nope, she should never be released...she brutally murdered...people.
Fri May 27, 2022, 06:39 PM
May 2022

It was awful. She needs to stay where she is.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
8. The kids who shot up a school in Arkansas resulting in 5 deaths have been walking free for years
Fri May 27, 2022, 11:56 AM
May 2022

eom

rollin74

(2,301 posts)
14. no way in hell she gets out on parole
Fri May 27, 2022, 01:27 PM
May 2022

this recommendation will be ignored

they won’t even release Van Houten

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
19. This is not justice!
Fri May 27, 2022, 02:30 PM
May 2022

This is sick. What she did was depraved. There's no amount of redemption for that.

BigDemVoter

(4,700 posts)
20. I don't think she'll get parole. . . . I seriously don't.
Fri May 27, 2022, 02:46 PM
May 2022

Sharon Tate's family has loudly objected to any of those killers being paroled, and this included Susan Atkins who had a brain tumor. She wasn't paroled and had to die in prison as she deserved.

For anyone too young to remember or to have witnessed this, these people bragged about killing five people followed by a married couple the next night. And it wasn't just bragging one time. . . They showed NO remorse during the entire trial which lasted months. They laughed about it and made jokes.

It was only after spending decades in prison that their tone changed. I think Patricia Krenwinkel deserves to die in prison.

BigDemVoter

(4,700 posts)
22. That's right. I didn't forgot that, but it kind of slipped my mind as I was focusing more on
Fri May 27, 2022, 02:55 PM
May 2022

the immediate harm they did.

They were too willing to follow Charles Manson. . . . Jesus, what a creepy individual.

I'm a nurse in San Francisco. . . . I know someone who works at San Quentin as a nurse-- where Manson was housed for a while. She said she actually met him a couple of times. Yuck. I wouldn't even want to look at him, much less touch him. At least that crazy/vile thing is dead.

Skittles

(171,718 posts)
23. parole was denied for Leslie Van Houten
Fri May 27, 2022, 03:14 PM
May 2022

and she was not present at both murder scenes

still, both these gals remain incarcerated not for what they did, but for who they did it to

Skittles

(171,718 posts)
39. Rosemary LaBianca was the only one she stabbec
Fri May 27, 2022, 07:39 PM
May 2022

a few times, as requested by Tex Watson so she would be more "involved". Ms. Labianca was stabbed a total of 41 times. Ms.Van Houten was not involved in the Tate murders. Of course, if she had notified the authorities when that happened, the Labiancas would not have been murdered. Heck, if she had any courage at all she would have called the cops when the very idea of Helter Skelter came up. Still, she would have been released long ago were it not for the notoriety of her crime.

Midwestern Democrat

(1,029 posts)
26. The only reason she lived to see 1980, much less 2022, was because all death sentences imposed in
Fri May 27, 2022, 04:14 PM
May 2022

California prior to 1972 were automatically commuted to life due to the California Supreme Court's People v. Anderson decision in 1972 (the US Supreme Court wound up invalidating all pending death sentences nationwide in Furman v. Georgia the same year).

Newsome isn't going to commit political suicide - he will justly deny this parole recommendation the moment it hits his desk.

C Moon

(13,643 posts)
28. Newsom won't allow it. He hasn't in the past. And on top of that, it's a big election year.
Fri May 27, 2022, 04:17 PM
May 2022
 

Oscarthegreat

(121 posts)
29. No way, Jose
Fri May 27, 2022, 05:33 PM
May 2022

I live in California and there is a much greater chance of Governor Newsom running as Trump's running mate in 2024 that him approving the parole recommendation. Zero chance she gets out. She will die in prison, as she should.

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
38. put her in solitary confinemant and give her a couple of meals a day.
Fri May 27, 2022, 07:30 PM
May 2022

but no release from prison.

stollen

(1,143 posts)
40. She was young when the killings occurred
Fri May 27, 2022, 08:41 PM
May 2022

I was looking for her at the Women's Prison at Frontera. I know she was editor of the prison paper at that time, a model prisoner. It was felt then, years ago, that she wouldn't be a threat, but the Parole Board always disagreed.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
43. I believe in redemption
Sun May 29, 2022, 12:04 PM
May 2022

but I also wonder what kind of life she would have after being in prison for 50 years. does she have family or friends who can take her in?

LudwigPastorius

(14,728 posts)
44. The state has already shown a substantial amount of mercy in...
Sun May 29, 2022, 02:56 PM
May 2022

giving her the opportunity to redeem herself instead of executing her.

She can continue that journey in prison.

GoldandSilver

(186 posts)
47. Do you think Krenwinkle has redeemed herself?
Mon May 30, 2022, 06:33 PM
May 2022

How do you redeem yourself from deliberately terrorizing and murdering a human being, much less 7 human beings. Their actions were beyond grotesque.

GoldandSilver

(186 posts)
46. She terrorized and murdered 7 people along with her friends.
Mon May 30, 2022, 04:07 PM
May 2022

She was justly sentenced to life in prison and she should serve out that sentence.

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