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TheProle

(4,085 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:19 PM Jun 2022

Man arrested near Kavanaugh's home charged with attempting to murder Supreme Court justice

Source: CBS News

Washington — A California man who was allegedly armed with a gun, knife and various tools when he was arrested in the early morning near Justice Brett Kavanaugh's house in Maryland has been charged with attempted murder, federal officials said in court papers filed Wednesday.

The man was detained around 1:50 a.m. after making threats against Kavanaugh, according to an FBI affidavit filed in federal court in Maryland. The suspect was transported to Montgomery County Police 2nd District in Bethesda, Maryland, Supreme Court spokeswoman Patricia McCabe said.

The affidavit identified the man as Nicholas John Roske, a 26-year-old from Simi Valley, California. He was expected to appear before Magistrate Judge Timothy Sullivan on Wednesday afternoon.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-justice-nicholas-roske-attempted-murder/

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Man arrested near Kavanaugh's home charged with attempting to murder Supreme Court justice (Original Post) TheProle Jun 2022 OP
Oh no. Anyway... ck4829 Jun 2022 #1
My first thought was "Oh, crap." wryter2000 Jun 2022 #2
Aw shucks Faux pas Jun 2022 #3
Attempted Murder? maxsolomon Jun 2022 #4
Going to the intended victim's house could qualify as the "direct action" to meet the charge. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2022 #12
He apparently confessed his intent to kill localroger Jun 2022 #24
work on that insanity plea, bro. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #27
The confession pretty much torpedoes that localroger Jun 2022 #39
He was dropped off in front of the house, DemocraticPatriot Jun 2022 #42
That seems like an over-charge. DURHAM D Jun 2022 #5
Seems very aggressive and very rushed. TheProle Jun 2022 #7
That will be a matter for the courts to decide. Planning and acquiring weapons... PoliticAverse Jun 2022 #13
Then get him the same Jury as in the Gretchen Whitmer case......... Bengus81 Jun 2022 #15
Ultimately it'll probably be a judgement call by a jury as to what mitagation PoliticAverse Jun 2022 #17
He essentially confessed to the crime FBaggins Jun 2022 #14
Why doesn't the jud just ...... LenaBaby61 Jun 2022 #6
Good arrest the pos. rockfordfile Jun 2022 #8
Sounds like a law abiding citizen out for a walk to me. pwb Jun 2022 #9
Yeah, he s probably just one of Trunp's "good people." 3Hotdogs Jun 2022 #19
Unfortunately, this is what it has come to. minstrel76 Jun 2022 #10
Federal judges can be impeached. pfitz59 Jun 2022 #18
Apparently he felt like there was no peaceful choices left. The Grand Illuminist Jun 2022 #23
Hope the FBI checks him against Most Wanted from Jan 6th Marthe48 Jun 2022 #11
ok so everyone toting a gun can be charged with attempted murder now? good news msongs Jun 2022 #16
He confessed localroger Jun 2022 #25
PLenty of wingers came up with an explanation for the gun-humping assholes who Nay Jun 2022 #29
That was a large criminal conspiracy localroger Jun 2022 #38
He had a pistol and a knife, not a "high powered rifle" DemocraticPatriot Jun 2022 #43
RW llashram Jun 2022 #20
That was my first thought. niyad Jun 2022 #35
Well phooey. birdographer Jun 2022 #21
He can get this thrown right out of court. JohnnyRingo Jun 2022 #22
sounds like an over reaction. As per the Jan 6 republican visitors he may have been a happy tourist samsingh Jun 2022 #26
Part of his motivation was the leaked abortion ruling... AntiFascist Jun 2022 #28
Here's Tom Cotton's tweet about it and the planned protest catrose Jun 2022 #30
Not RW Mz Pip Jun 2022 #31
Which is why I need to be able to buy a Stinger missile. The Jungle 1 Jun 2022 #32
I was afraid slightlv Jun 2022 #33
Wouldn't that simply be a terroristic threat? LeftInTX Jun 2022 #34
Attempted murder? Picaro Jun 2022 #36
Well, he was outside his house Polybius Jun 2022 #37
Still not attempted murder. Picaro Jun 2022 #40
No conspiracies Polybius Jun 2022 #41
He confessed BEFORE he was detained. DemocraticPatriot Jun 2022 #44

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
2. My first thought was "Oh, crap."
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:27 PM
Jun 2022

My second thought was Biden would replace him. That's how much I hate these "justices."

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
12. Going to the intended victim's house could qualify as the "direct action" to meet the charge. n/t
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:46 PM
Jun 2022

localroger

(3,782 posts)
24. He apparently confessed his intent to kill
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:33 PM
Jun 2022

Even though he didn't make it to boof boy's house that pretty much seals it up for him.

localroger

(3,782 posts)
39. The confession pretty much torpedoes that
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:31 PM
Jun 2022

For an insanity plea he has to claim he didn't know the difference between right and wrong, but he admitted his motivations and didn't leave much room for that either.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
42. He was dropped off in front of the house,
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jun 2022

and he walked away.

Then he contacted authorities and disclosed what his thoughts were....


However, I agree with the other poster. I see no actual "attempted murder" here. Some lessor charge, sure... but he walked away from the scene, and then deliberately contacted authorities to turn himself in.



So where is righty, defending this man's second amendment rights to carry a gun???


DURHAM D

(33,090 posts)
5. That seems like an over-charge.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:37 PM
Jun 2022

On tv they said that he self-reported. He called the police while still a few blocks from Kavanaugh's house.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
13. That will be a matter for the courts to decide. Planning and acquiring weapons...
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jun 2022

and heading towards the intended victim's house seems a bit more than just a "threat".

Bengus81

(10,349 posts)
15. Then get him the same Jury as in the Gretchen Whitmer case.........
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:05 PM
Jun 2022

Two let go,to hung jury's.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
17. Ultimately it'll probably be a judgement call by a jury as to what mitagation
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:14 PM
Jun 2022

his calling and telling authorities constitutes about his intentions


FBaggins

(28,753 posts)
14. He essentially confessed to the crime
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:59 PM
Jun 2022

“I got cold feet and couldn’t do it” might help at trial. But if he planned it, bought the weapons, and traveled across the country to his front door (and then confessed his intent and motive)… that sounds like the right charge.

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
6. Why doesn't the jud just ......
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:38 PM
Jun 2022

Go out and purchase a gun and wear it under his robe?

And if he's SO scared for his family, just go out and buy a "Guns for the whole family" pack?

Problem solved



pwb

(12,800 posts)
9. Sounds like a law abiding citizen out for a walk to me.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:43 PM
Jun 2022

How near the house? Was he visiting a friend and fixing something for them? Attempted to murder who? where? This story is fuzzy on purpose from our shitty media, as usual.

minstrel76

(96 posts)
10. Unfortunately, this is what it has come to.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jun 2022

However, we're talking about SCOTUS justices, who are not elected, but appointed to lifetime tenures and therefore cannot be voted out, are only extremely rarely removed (if ever), face no accountability for the rulings they hand down, can apparently commit perjury with impunity - as long as there are enough senators of the party that confirmed them still in office - and can be used to effect de-facto political changes without the passing of any legislation. I'm not saying I condone the man's actions, but I can certainly understand them.

Which brings up another point: The characteristics of these SCOTUS justices have actually been also helpful to many causes that have become the party platform of the Democratic Party - Abortion Rights, Gay Marriage, and (a flawed attempt at) Universal Healthcare. Now, that the shoe is on the other foot, as it were, should Democrats make it part of the party platform as well to reform the SCOTUS, now that the flaws of the system are apparent, in much the same way that we started to decry and work to eliminate partisan gerrymandering when it was used against us to great detrimental effect?

pfitz59

(12,902 posts)
18. Federal judges can be impeached.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:39 PM
Jun 2022

Kavanaugh lied through his teeth at his confirmation. Perjury should be enough to 'vote him out'.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,058 posts)
23. Apparently he felt like there was no peaceful choices left.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:29 PM
Jun 2022

So he tried to sacrifice for the greater good. Unfortunate actions for understandable reasons.

Marthe48

(23,408 posts)
11. Hope the FBI checks him against Most Wanted from Jan 6th
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 04:46 PM
Jun 2022

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he showed up among those 350 +/- that they are still looking for

msongs

(74,143 posts)
16. ok so everyone toting a gun can be charged with attempted murder now? good news
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 05:10 PM
Jun 2022

after all the purpose of guns is to kill people and possession is intent IMO

localroger

(3,782 posts)
25. He confessed
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:36 PM
Jun 2022

I mean, it might be kind of hard to come up with another explanation of why you're lurking near the home of a Very Important Person at 1 AM with a high powered rifle, but once you admit you were planning to kill the judge it's confessed attempted murder.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
29. PLenty of wingers came up with an explanation for the gun-humping assholes who
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:29 PM
Jun 2022

wanted to kill Pence -- they came from a distance, had weapons, raised a guillotine to demonstrate their aim, and, somehow, we can't seem to even charge them for anything but trespassing. And that only after a year.

What's wrong with this picture?

localroger

(3,782 posts)
38. That was a large criminal conspiracy
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:29 PM
Jun 2022

They work their way up from the small fish to the big fish to the leaders, and it takes time. The people who are most culpable are harder to connect to the actual stuff going down on the street, so dots have to be connected. They are now at the level of people who are actually going to jail for years for seditious conspiracy. The importance of setting an example for the next level up makes them reluctant to press any charges they can't prove with 99.9% certainty.

This is one guy who was caught next to a VIP's residence with an arsenal and admitted what he was up to. It will go much more quickly and directly.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
43. He had a pistol and a knife, not a "high powered rifle"
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 06:18 PM
Jun 2022

And I don't see the actual "attempted murder" here either.

He turned around, walked away, and then reported himself to the authorities to prevent any murder from taking place..



llashram

(6,269 posts)
20. RW
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:13 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Fri Jun 10, 2022, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)

crazy, false flag and maybe reconnaissance like the RW Congresscritters helped the insurrectionists scope out the interior INSIDE the Capitol Building. They did a lot of recon leading up to 1/6 and in Michigan...these clowns wanted to hang Pelosi and pence, with this Roe V. Wade decision coming up, trying to intimidate?

samsingh

(18,469 posts)
26. sounds like an over reaction. As per the Jan 6 republican visitors he may have been a happy tourist
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 06:47 PM
Jun 2022

hoping to get kavanaugh to sign his gun.

AntiFascist

(13,756 posts)
28. Part of his motivation was the leaked abortion ruling...
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 07:00 PM
Jun 2022

maybe some of the justices should rethink stare decisis in order to not disrupt the peace.

catrose

(5,377 posts)
30. Here's Tom Cotton's tweet about it and the planned protest
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:14 PM
Jun 2022

Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
·
29m
A Democratic hit man tried to kill Justice Kavanaugh today. Now, left-wing street militias have again announced their intent to protest his home in direct violation of federal law. Merrick Garland must arrest every single one tonight or resign in disgrace.

Mz Pip

(28,506 posts)
31. Not RW
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:52 PM
Jun 2022

He thought Kavanaugh would vote to weaken the 2nd Amendment. He did like the idea of more 2nd Amendment restrictions.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
32. Which is why I need to be able to buy a Stinger missile.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 10:30 PM
Jun 2022

The 2nd amendment say I am allowed to buy a stinger at walfart.
I needs one for when the govmet gets out of control.

slightlv

(7,933 posts)
33. I was afraid
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 11:06 PM
Jun 2022

this was going to start happening. It was only a matter of time before those on "our" side with guns started going after "their" side. When it starts getting down to "tit for tat" we're really in trouble.

LeftInTX

(34,837 posts)
34. Wouldn't that simply be a terroristic threat?
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 02:24 AM
Jun 2022

Threatening terrorism against the United States is a class C felony punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment under 18 U.S.C. § 2332b(c)(1)(g). The elements of the offense are that someone willfully threatens to commit a crime that will result in death or great bodily harm; the threat is made with the specific intent that it be taken as a threat; the threat is so unequivocal, unconditional, and specific as to convey a gravity of purpose and immediate prospect of execution; the threat actually causes fear in the victim; and the fear is reasonable.[1]

Laws governing such threats were passed after the September 11, 2001 attacks. The law was amended by the Terrorist Hoax Improvements Act of 2007.[2][3] False information and hoaxes pertaining to attacks on U.S. officials, government buildings, airplanes, etc. are also punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1038 as a class D felony, which is punishable by up to 5 years' imprisonment.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_terrorism_against_the_United_States

Picaro

(2,437 posts)
36. Attempted murder?
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:18 PM
Jun 2022

Very unclear how a prosecutor could file attempted murder charges against someone that had not moved from planning to action.



Picaro

(2,437 posts)
40. Still not attempted murder.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jun 2022

I’ll be very curious to see who pays this guy’s legal bills.

Did some right-wing dark money group engineer this incident? The timing is suspect.

In a country that hasn’t seen any real organized leftist violence in many decades there is suddenly a pro-Roe v Wade zealot outside Kavanaugh’s house. Who when detained confesses to wanting to assassinate the Dishonorable Brett Kavanaugh.

Right before the Jan 6th televised hearings?

I’d like to hear a lot more details.

Doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Polybius

(22,105 posts)
41. No conspiracies
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jun 2022

He's gonna get life in prison. A bribe of a million or even 10 million is useless if you can't spend it. Unless you think that it was MKULTRA set up by the CIA, which is even crazier.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
44. He confessed BEFORE he was detained.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 06:23 PM
Jun 2022

He contacted the authorities, himself, according to all I have read.... after having walked away from the house.


To me, it sounds as if he just wasn't a bad enough guy, to go through with an actual attempt.

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