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Jose Garcia

(2,592 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:36 PM Jun 2022

Biden: Tuesday primaries sent 'clear message' voters want tough-on-crime policies

Source: The Hill

President Biden said that Tuesday’s primary results in California, Mississippi and other states sent a message that voters want leaders who will take a tough stance on crime.

“I think the voters sent a clear message last night. Both parties have to step up and do something about crime, as well as gun violence,” Biden told reporters on Wednesday before boarding Air Force One to travel to California.

He called on states and localities to spend billions of dollars allocated in the American Rescue Plan “to hire police officers and reform the police departments.”

“Very few have done it,” he said.

Read more: https://thehill.com/news/administration/3516046-biden-tuesday-primaries-sent-clear-message-voters-want-tough-on-crime-policies/

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Biden: Tuesday primaries sent 'clear message' voters want tough-on-crime policies (Original Post) Jose Garcia Jun 2022 OP
maybe unspent money should be clawed back nt msongs Jun 2022 #1
After uvalde I want more money to prosecute cops questionseverything Jun 2022 #2
We need to do both Mz Pip Jun 2022 #4
Why both? 867-5309. Jun 2022 #5
You're lucky Mz Pip Jun 2022 #7
Serious question - 867-5309. Jun 2022 #16
Response time Mz Pip Jun 2022 #17
Doesn't matter much. manicdem Jun 2022 #25
KCMO Rebl2 Jun 2022 #20
They need to pay them a lot more $$$ then MichMan Jun 2022 #29
Because SOMEONE has to arrest & prosecute the bad guys; of which there are PLENTY? oldsoftie Jun 2022 #13
Tie Gun control issue to being tough on Crime also JI7 Jun 2022 #3
Losing our democracy? Not important. triron Jun 2022 #6
PK, OK we've been there done that. Just consider consequences and make intelligent decisions. Martin68 Jun 2022 #8
The funny thing is, violent crime did decrease in the 1990's Jose Garcia Jun 2022 #18
There has been a lot written about the reason(s) for the decrease in crime during the 90's. "Tough Martin68 Jun 2022 #22
How do non violent drug offenders afford to support their habit? MichMan Jun 2022 #30
They either sell drugs or use them. Drug users aren't all insolvent, you know. Martin68 Jun 2022 #31
I guess they never steal anything to support their addiction MichMan Jun 2022 #32
MichMan, is that what I said? Of course some drug users steal to support their habit. Do Martin68 Jun 2022 #34
You said they sold drugs or use them MichMan Jun 2022 #39
To quote Clinton "It's the economy" SouthBayDem Jun 2022 #35
when did voters ever NOT want tough-on-crime policies Skittles Jun 2022 #9
We don't want Thug-Cops though !! TeamProg Jun 2022 #10
I'm not sue voters want to go totally tough on crime ripcord Jun 2022 #11
There is still an underlying situation caused by the pandemic and the recessionary environment BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #12
White collar Icanthinkformyself Jun 2022 #14
As long as the tough on crime doesn't focus on the poor while leaving the rich elite to do what they yaesu Jun 2022 #15
So agree Rebl2 Jun 2022 #21
Need to be "more than X amount of dollars a serious sentence The Mouth Jun 2022 #26
Biden's right and i trust his proven instincts. onetexan Jun 2022 #19
Use violence or the threat thereof against another human The Mouth Jun 2022 #23
We can balance tough on crime without brutality on unarmed people IronLionZion Jun 2022 #24
I want "I can go out in public and not worry that I'm going to die in a mass shooting" policies. Initech Jun 2022 #27
Yeah, like the Jan 6th Domestic Terrorists Cha Jun 2022 #28
+1 peppertree Jun 2022 #37
A good start would be to make all drugs Deminpenn Jun 2022 #33
+1 peppertree Jun 2022 #36
Having a meth lab nearby would be convenient for some people MichMan Jun 2022 #38

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
2. After uvalde I want more money to prosecute cops
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:42 PM
Jun 2022

Why pay more of them to do nothing but stand guard for the gunman?

Mz Pip

(27,434 posts)
7. You're lucky
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 10:26 PM
Jun 2022

You must live somewhere that isn’t plagued by rising crime. Not the case for plenty of people. Id be just thrilled if I didn’t have to check my locks before I go to bed every night, because home invasions are becoming a thing around here.

Mz Pip

(27,434 posts)
17. Response time
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 09:49 AM
Jun 2022

That seems to be a major issue. By time the police come, the perps are long gone. It didn’t used to be that way but with an increase in burglaries, smash and grabs, catalytic converter thefts, muggings, porch thefts, it’s gotten worse. More incidents of armed robberies as well. Our neighborhood Nextdoor is filled with this stuff.

manicdem

(388 posts)
25. Doesn't matter much.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:03 PM
Jun 2022

Police usually show up after the incident to take the report.

Response time doesn't do anything unless there's a police officer on every street corner.

Rebl2

(13,485 posts)
20. KCMO
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 10:46 AM
Jun 2022

are short on the number of police they need. Has been a problem for a few years now. State gave the department more money, but they can’t find people that want to be police officers. I think it’s a problem in many large cities.

MichMan

(11,901 posts)
29. They need to pay them a lot more $$$ then
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 12:10 PM
Jun 2022

If lifeguards ion LA are making hundreds of thousands, surely police should see substantial pay raises then

oldsoftie

(12,523 posts)
13. Because SOMEONE has to arrest & prosecute the bad guys; of which there are PLENTY?
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 07:07 AM
Jun 2022

Criminlas are like small children; they'll take whatever you give them and try to take more. Until you set boundaries. Right now our boundaries for criminals are lax. And you see what we get

Martin68

(22,781 posts)
8. PK, OK we've been there done that. Just consider consequences and make intelligent decisions.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 10:28 PM
Jun 2022

Look where it led during the Clinton administration when academics, journalists and pundits got a bit hysterical about "kids running wild in the streets" and promulgated erroneous theories that led to draconian mandatory sentencing for minor crimes.

Martin68

(22,781 posts)
22. There has been a lot written about the reason(s) for the decrease in crime during the 90's. "Tough
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 11:00 AM
Jun 2022

on Crime Laws" and draconian mandatory sentencing probably didn't play a huge role because the vast majority of those incarcerated were non-violent drug offenders.

Martin68

(22,781 posts)
31. They either sell drugs or use them. Drug users aren't all insolvent, you know.
Fri Jun 10, 2022, 09:58 PM
Jun 2022

That's a weird stereotype.

Martin68

(22,781 posts)
34. MichMan, is that what I said? Of course some drug users steal to support their habit. Do
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:08 AM
Jun 2022

most drug users steal? I doubt it. Please don't put words into my mouth.

MichMan

(11,901 posts)
39. You said they sold drugs or use them
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 12:25 PM
Jun 2022

and commented that my insinuation that many steal to support their addiction was a weird stereotype.

SouthBayDem

(32,015 posts)
35. To quote Clinton "It's the economy"
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

The 90s had an economic boom as shown with the low unemployment and budget surpluses of the time. When there are plenty of jobs, people are not going to resort to stealing to survive or have the stress that leads to conflict.

TeamProg

(6,101 posts)
10. We don't want Thug-Cops though !!
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 11:42 PM
Jun 2022

The hiring of public servants should be more strict than private industry standards.

ripcord

(5,325 posts)
11. I'm not sue voters want to go totally tough on crime
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:07 AM
Jun 2022

But many are tired of the increased low level crime that affects their daily lives.

BumRushDaShow

(128,748 posts)
12. There is still an underlying situation caused by the pandemic and the recessionary environment
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 06:19 AM
Jun 2022

under 45, plus the proliferation of ghost guns, that have bubbled under surface as a large component of the crime statistics. I.e., the displacement of jobs, the chronic lack of activities for and training of the age group that would be the future workforce, and the stress of becoming homeless and unable to cope, that manifest into a rash of petty crimes and idiotic minor disputes that erupt in gunfire instead of fist fights.

Icanthinkformyself

(218 posts)
14. White collar
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 08:23 AM
Jun 2022

crime will, as usual, go under the radar of a crackdown. Can't expect the rich to play by the peon's rules, can we? If 'reform' doesn't include restructuring the country's police departments it's meaningless moving of the deck chairs.
Modern humans: space age technology. Cave age mentality.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
15. As long as the tough on crime doesn't focus on the poor while leaving the rich elite to do what they
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 09:13 AM
Jun 2022

want without worries. The two justice system crap needs to end.

The Mouth

(3,148 posts)
26. Need to be "more than X amount of dollars a serious sentence
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:07 PM
Jun 2022

There should be no difference between someone who holds up a 7/11 or one who raids a corporate pension, have a hard and fast rule that for theft of so much money, such and such a sentence must be served. Of course anyone using violence or the threat thereof should face additional penalties. preferable very severe ones.

Treat all similar crimes with the same dollar loss to the exact same sentence, tie number of years to amount. Then the white collar criminals will fear.

We need less discretion and more even sentencing; I trust formulas more than judges and firm, unalterable sentences more than one person being favored because of color or status.

The Mouth

(3,148 posts)
23. Use violence or the threat thereof against another human
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jun 2022

except in self-defense and you should never see the outside of a prison cell again.

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
24. We can balance tough on crime without brutality on unarmed people
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 12:02 PM
Jun 2022

There are many opportunities for reforms that can work out well for people and the justice dept. Such as a clear process for how to deal with repeat offenders and who is in charge during a school shooting.

Initech

(100,059 posts)
27. I want "I can go out in public and not worry that I'm going to die in a mass shooting" policies.
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 02:49 PM
Jun 2022

Can we get those enacted please, sir?

peppertree

(21,620 posts)
37. +1
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jun 2022

My fear has long been that we'll lose this political window of opportunity to hold them accountable - and that within a few years, many will in fact run for Congress, get their dirty asses in, and end our two-party democracy as we know it.

Deminpenn

(15,273 posts)
33. A good start would be to make all drugs
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 09:12 AM
Jun 2022

safe, legal, regulated and taxed, just like alcohol and cigarettes. It is the lesson of Prohibition.

peppertree

(21,620 posts)
36. +1
Sat Jun 11, 2022, 11:00 AM
Jun 2022

But the Jim Crow and John Birch crowd love undeclared martial law (which is what the 'war on drugs' really has been), so it's unlikely to change.

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