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trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:54 PM Nov 2012

Video of Irregular Voting Machine Goes Viral After Being Posted On Reddit

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by muriel_volestrangler (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Mediaite



Many people have expressed some concern over potential voting irregularities, and already someone has captured video of one such potential irregularity. YouTube user centralpavote uploaded a video earlier today of a voting machine that appears to misdetect a touch-screen vote for President Obama as a vote for Mitt Romney. The video went viral after being posted on Reddit, and as of now is currently on the site’s front page.

After the video was posted on Reddit, the user who uploaded it to YouTube commented on the thread to claim he tried to vote for Obama, but when he pushed the touch-screen button for the president, Romney’s name was selected instead.

Being a software developer, I immediately went into troubleshoot mode. I first thought the calibration was off and tried selecting Jill Stein to actually highlight Obama. Nope. Jill Stein was selected just fine. Next I deselected her and started at the top of Romney’s name and started tapping very closely together to find the ‘active areas’. From the top of Romney’s button down to the bottom of the black checkbox beside Obama’s name was all active for Romney. From the bottom of that same checkbox to the bottom of the Obama button (basically a small white sliver) is what let me choose Obama. Stein’s button was fine. All other buttons worked fine.

Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-of-irregular-voting-machine-goes-viral-after-being-posted-on-reddit/



Notes from the guy who posted the video on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12q6wu/2012_voting_machine_altering_votes/c6x8sbi

I'm the guy who shot the video, hopefully this doesn't get burried. You guys have questions, I have answers.
My wife and I went to the voting booths this morning before work. There were 4 older ladies running the show and 3 voting booths that are similar to a science fair project in how they fold up. They had an oval VOTE logo on top center and a cartridge slot on the left that the volunteers used to start your ballot.

I initially selected Obama but Romney was highlighted. I assumed it was being picky so I deselected Romney and tried Obama again, this time more carefully, and still got Romney. Being a software developer, I immediately went into troubleshoot mode. I first thought the calibration was off and tried selecting Jill Stein to actually highlight Obama. Nope. Jill Stein was selected just fine. Next I deselected her and started at the top of Romney's name and started tapping very closely together to find the 'active areas'. From the top of Romney's button down to the bottom of the black checkbox beside Obama's name was all active for Romney. From the bottom of that same checkbox to the bottom of the Obama button (basically a small white sliver) is what let me choose Obama. Stein's button was fine. All other buttons worked fine.

I asked the voters on either side of me if they had any problems and they reported they did not. I then called over a volunteer to have a look at it. She him hawed for a bit then calmly said "It's nothing to worry about, everything will be OK." and went back to what she was doing. I then recorded this video.

EDIT: There is a lot of speculation that the footage is edited. I'm not a video guy, but if it's possible to prove whether a video has been altered or not, I will GLADLY provide the raw footage to anyone who is willing to do so. The jumping frames are a result of the shitty camera app on my Android phone, nothing more.

EDIT2: I have been contacted by NBC Universal and BBC News.

EDIT3: A lot of news agencies are now messaging me here. Please email centralpavote@gmail.com instead.
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Video of Irregular Voting Machine Goes Viral After Being Posted On Reddit (Original Post) trailmonkee Nov 2012 OP
HAND-COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS!!!! Roland99 Nov 2012 #1
+1 redqueen Nov 2012 #9
Agreed. As long as ballots get hand-marked. cprise Nov 2012 #19
We use them in Canada! MAD Dave Nov 2012 #31
+2 N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2012 #32
+ Voters' Guides like the ones used in Oregon, delivered to people's homes 1 month patrice Nov 2012 #35
Agreed! Desire for instant results is a disease. Get rid of ALL voting machines. Count paper ballots Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #39
where is this? Estevan Nov 2012 #2
It is apparently from PA. Flipper999 Nov 2012 #3
Now, do we know why the Repigs and the MSM think PA will be close? Supersedeas Nov 2012 #37
Why do every single one of these "coincidences" favor 'Pukes? (he asked rhetorically) nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #4
Because this is DU. If someone had one of an apparent glitch favoring the President... slackmaster Nov 2012 #7
How many "glitches" have you read about which helped Gore or Kerry anywhere in Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #12
This is from 08.... Gives straight ticket Dem vote to McCain. TalkingDog Nov 2012 #22
08 Problems nationwide where the votes would switch to Bush TalkingDog Nov 2012 #23
Romney switching to Obama and Obama switching to Romney in CO TalkingDog Nov 2012 #25
No video, but OH complaints about EV Obama votes switching to Romney TalkingDog Nov 2012 #28
You don't have to tell me. Tell the guy i was replying to. I'm still waiting for him to answer Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #29
This guy has researched it and says he has a solution! TalkingDog Nov 2012 #30
I don't remember any. But I don't remember very many that favored Bush either. slackmaster Nov 2012 #47
If I find one, I'll post it. TalkingDog Nov 2012 #21
So will I. BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #26
K&R ... Bigtime! Bozita Nov 2012 #5
America has some disgraceful methods of voting. 12 years, and we're still idiots. Gregorian Nov 2012 #6
Its fake... Evasporque Nov 2012 #8
Works just like the touchscreen registers at work jenw2 Nov 2012 #10
my impression InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #11
This is at least the 3rd thread on this. It sounds like bullshit to me. randome Nov 2012 #13
To me, this means that a legal action should be filed right now in PA and the votes should be placed kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #14
Republicans Can NOT Be Trusted. Megahurtz Nov 2012 #15
So how did you complete your vote? Did you request that the machine be shut down? Is that machine Liberal In Red State Nov 2012 #16
instead of 911 call... joy2u2 Nov 2012 #36
When did this voting take place? the date indicated January. Must confirm. kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #17
It MUST BE A FAKE! Because if u're going to steal a vote why would you need to boingboinh Nov 2012 #18
MSNBC saying the machine has been pulled from service LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #20
And of course YouTube locked the view count at 309. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #24
So glad this was recorded, that it's going viral, and being picked up by MSM. But now what?? NoOtherMedicineNovel Nov 2012 #27
Just now on Tamron Hall, MSNBC... SoapBox Nov 2012 #33
MSNBC Sophiegirl Nov 2012 #38
MSNBC TinCup Nov 2012 #34
re:Video of Irregular Voting Machine Goes Viral After Being Posted On Reddit allan01 Nov 2012 #40
Hopefully this issue will now be brought into some serious discussion. riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #41
How many people voted for Obama on that same machine before him StarryNite Nov 2012 #42
If true, they need to shut down the machine, but sevenseas Nov 2012 #43
Sorry, he IS touching the Obama button and not even ever gets close to romney Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #45
Thanks for exposing the evil gop machine! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2012 #44
Can't get the vid, but it seems unlikely toby jo Nov 2012 #46
Hopefully, people don't stay home because of this video Coyotl Nov 2012 #48
Locking - duplicate thread muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #49

Roland99

(53,345 posts)
1. HAND-COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS!!!!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:57 PM
Nov 2012

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
9. +1
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:04 PM
Nov 2012

When will election officials stop screwing around with our right to vote?

cprise

(8,445 posts)
19. Agreed. As long as ballots get hand-marked.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:41 PM
Nov 2012

The hand-marking of paper is important: It turns the process of vote fraud into a physically laborious process that is certain to get noticed or leave a trail of evidence.

My initial reaction to the OP was actually 'So what?' That's because this person was lucky to encounter a computer that showed its misdeed. But a compromised computer is under no particular compunction to show the same information that it records.

I'm positive there is much worse out there than what this video shows.

MAD Dave

(204 posts)
31. We use them in Canada!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:18 PM
Nov 2012

N_E_1 for Tennis

(10,819 posts)
32. +2
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:26 PM
Nov 2012

patrice

(47,992 posts)
35. + Voters' Guides like the ones used in Oregon, delivered to people's homes 1 month
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:46 PM
Nov 2012

prior to the vote ...

+ Authentic transparent campaign finance reform ...

+ Paper ballots, with instant run-off voting and providing each voter an encrypted receipt of their vote ...

+ Ballots counted in public on ...

+ A wildly patriotic and happy National Voting Holiday that starts on a Friday morning, runs through the weekend, including Sunday, and ends the followingTuesday morning.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,054 posts)
39. Agreed! Desire for instant results is a disease. Get rid of ALL voting machines. Count paper ballots
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:39 PM
Nov 2012

Estevan

(70 posts)
2. where is this?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:58 PM
Nov 2012

Flipper999

(241 posts)
3. It is apparently from PA.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:00 PM
Nov 2012

Supersedeas

(20,630 posts)
37. Now, do we know why the Repigs and the MSM think PA will be close?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:23 PM
Nov 2012

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,748 posts)
4. Why do every single one of these "coincidences" favor 'Pukes? (he asked rhetorically) nt
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:00 PM
Nov 2012
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
7. Because this is DU. If someone had one of an apparent glitch favoring the President...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:02 PM
Nov 2012

...it wouldn't be posted here.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,748 posts)
12. How many "glitches" have you read about which helped Gore or Kerry anywhere in
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nov 2012

the media?

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
22. This is from 08.... Gives straight ticket Dem vote to McCain.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:56 PM
Nov 2012

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
23. 08 Problems nationwide where the votes would switch to Bush
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:58 PM
Nov 2012

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
25. Romney switching to Obama and Obama switching to Romney in CO
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nov 2012

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,748 posts)
29. You don't have to tell me. Tell the guy i was replying to. I'm still waiting for him to answer
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012

my question.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
30. This guy has researched it and says he has a solution!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:06 PM
Nov 2012
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
47. I don't remember any. But I don't remember very many that favored Bush either.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:16 PM
Nov 2012

It was a long time ago.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
21. If I find one, I'll post it.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:52 PM
Nov 2012

n/t

BouzoukiKing

(163 posts)
26. So will I.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nov 2012

I could actually see the machines being programmed to flip to Obama, as a way to strengthen a legal challenge to the votes.

And anyway, honest is as does.

Bozita

(26,955 posts)
5. K&R ... Bigtime!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:01 PM
Nov 2012

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
6. America has some disgraceful methods of voting. 12 years, and we're still idiots.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:02 PM
Nov 2012

Why are people so slow to respond. Same with global warming.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
8. Its fake...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:04 PM
Nov 2012

Look close at the finger it never really presses the screen...and actually jumps form one place to another...this was a clever on phone edit...

I hate touch screens for voting but I think this is a hoax...

 

jenw2

(374 posts)
10. Works just like the touchscreen registers at work
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:06 PM
Nov 2012

This is why we need voting machines like the new Microsoft tablets that have capacitive touchscreens. They don't have the constant calibration problems that all of the older other technologies have.

InsultComicDog

(1,209 posts)
11. my impression
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:10 PM
Nov 2012

is that this is not likely to be a deliberate hack, since what is happening is so obvious to the voter using the machine. A far superior hack would change the vote without the voter ever being able to detect it.

However, that machine should have been immediately shut down.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. This is at least the 3rd thread on this. It sounds like bullshit to me.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:20 PM
Nov 2012

Notice his primary points to make are that he is in contact with news agencies. Why did he not report this to election officials?

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
14. To me, this means that a legal action should be filed right now in PA and the votes should be placed
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:23 PM
Nov 2012

under Federal marshalls. If Mitt wins or even comes close in PA shit should hit the voter fraud fan!!

Megahurtz

(7,046 posts)
15. Republicans Can NOT Be Trusted.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:23 PM
Nov 2012
16. So how did you complete your vote? Did you request that the machine be shut down? Is that machine
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:24 PM
Nov 2012

still being used?

joy2u2

(6 posts)
36. instead of 911 call...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:07 PM
Nov 2012

Huffington Post blogger posted these phone numbers for reporting voting irregularities:
report all voter irregularities...

The phone numbers are 1-800-253-3931 or 202-307-2767 and the number for those who are deaf or hard of hearing is 1-877-267-8971. The fax number is 202-307-3961.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
17. When did this voting take place? the date indicated January. Must confirm.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:26 PM
Nov 2012
 

boingboinh

(290 posts)
18. It MUST BE A FAKE! Because if u're going to steal a vote why would you need to
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:29 PM
Nov 2012

visually show it to the voter..just log it internally as a vote for the other guy and no one is the wiser.
If this did hapepn it seems like a faulty touch screen. If not then these are the worst theives ever.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
20. MSNBC saying the machine has been pulled from service
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:42 PM
Nov 2012
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/machine-turns-vote-for-obama-into-one-for-romney/

A Pennsylvania electronic voting machine has been taken out of service after being captured on video changing a vote for President Obama into one for Mitt Romney, NBC News has confirmed.
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
24. And of course YouTube locked the view count at 309.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:59 PM
Nov 2012
27. So glad this was recorded, that it's going viral, and being picked up by MSM. But now what??
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:01 PM
Nov 2012

will happen to make this unbelievably-illegal stunt fixed before it's too late?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
33. Just now on Tamron Hall, MSNBC...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:31 PM
Nov 2012

teaser for the story coming up.

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
38. MSNBC
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:28 PM
Nov 2012

Commercial break. Story up next!

TinCup

(54 posts)
34. MSNBC
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:44 PM
Nov 2012

Just featured on MSNBC they kinda glossed over the part where the poll worker did nothing.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
40. re:Video of Irregular Voting Machine Goes Viral After Being Posted On Reddit
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:41 PM
Nov 2012

when people decide to collectily sue these folks . thanks i voted this is nonsense .

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. Hopefully this issue will now be brought into some serious discussion.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:42 PM
Nov 2012

Whatever happens to this machine in this area - the story has legs for the entire country. K&R for more exposure!

StarryNite

(10,869 posts)
42. How many people voted for Obama on that same machine before him
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:42 PM
Nov 2012

and didn't realize their vote went to Mittney?

sevenseas

(114 posts)
43. If true, they need to shut down the machine, but
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:42 PM
Nov 2012

I have to agree with the blogger who said you can tell his finger is not punching the button- looks like his finger is just hovering over the button to give the optical effect of pushing it.

see- Why would you punch a button with the side of your finger?

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
45. Sorry, he IS touching the Obama button and not even ever gets close to romney
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:08 PM
Nov 2012

Theory blown!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
44. Thanks for exposing the evil gop machine!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:52 PM
Nov 2012
 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
46. Can't get the vid, but it seems unlikely
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:14 PM
Nov 2012

Too obvious - our machine has a paper printout you can view - don't know how they'd hack that, except maybe assume alot of people wouldn't check the printout - it seemed pretty secure - Ohio

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
48. Hopefully, people don't stay home because of this video
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:19 PM
Nov 2012

maybe it is real, who knows, but the story is filling out more.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,586 posts)
49. Locking - duplicate thread
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:24 PM
Nov 2012

of http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014292825 . Please continue discussion there.

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