Gov. Mike DeWine signs bill slashing training requirements to arm teachers in schools

[SouthBayDem]

Source: The Plain Dealer

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- As expected, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Monday signed a bill that would allow teachers and other staff to carry guns in school after 24 hours of training, down from the 700 hours required under a recent Ohio Supreme Court ruling.

House Bill 99 is meant to make it easier for school districts to arm teachers, which supporters said will make schools a less vulnerable target to attackers. It also creates a mobile training team that will work with schools across the state to help find and fix potential weaknesses in security, among other changes, and sets annual re-training requirements for staff who want to continue to be armed in school.

The bill dates back to a June 2021 Ohio Supreme Court ruling that said school staff only could carry guns if they first underwent the same basic training as police officers, effectively setting the 700-hour training standard. The ruling, striking down a security policy from a Butler County school district, made it effectively unworkable for districts to arm staff, according to critics.

But the measure picked up steam following the massacre in May at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas in which a gunman shot and killed 19 students and two teachers. Republican lawmakers sent it to DeWine’s desk earlier this month over objections from Democrats.

Read more: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/gov-mike-dewine-signs-bill-slashing-training-requirements-to-arm-teachers-in-schools.html

[Initech]

1. God, what could possibly go wrong there?

Fucking morons!

[Judi Lynn]

2. Idiot. He's as malicious and hate-fueled as Trump, only quieter. He seems as strange as John Gacy.🏴‍☠️️ 💣

[Aussie105]

3. So, as a teacher, some questions:

Do I sling my school issued AR-15 over my shoulder with pointy end up, or down?
Will the school supply ammo, or do I have to buy my own?
Do I have it fully loaded, with safety on or off?

Do I keep one eye on the hallway, ready and on edge to jump into no-doubt heroic action, and the other on the kids, while trying to run a well disciplined and controlled classroom?

And the effect on the kids, having a teacher in front of them, armed and on edge, ready for a battlefield scenario?

The 24 hours of training, do I do that in my own unpaid time, or school time? And how much will this cost me?
And can I augment my school issued firearm with some other battle dress, like body armour, helmet?
If I accidentally blow a hole in a wall, will I need to pay for repairs?

And if I have a disagreement with the school principal, is it ok to bring my firearm into his office with me?
Will he have his at the ready as well?

So many questions!

[The Jungle 1]

10. Also what is the best way to clean up blood splatter on my silk blouse?

Will the school pay for my blouse if it is ruined?
Who will pay for the liability insurance?
Can I take my killing machine out to lunch with me?
I will need armor piercing bullets.
If I lean over to help a student and the gun pokes him in the eye will I be sued?
I want qualified immunity.
Who will clean and maintain the killing machine? The janitor? Is he qualified? No, I won't clean it.
What if I get gun oil on my shirt?
Will the government pay for my target practice. I want to work on my double tap.
We probably need a range at every school.
My union demands I get full up training. Including stress, adrenaline training. Or we walk!
Can I get workman's comp if my boobs get chaffed? Eight hours is a long time to carry a gun.
What will the punishment be if a student touches my gun?
I guess this ends giving students a hug.
Can I have a pink gun? They are cool.
I want a stinger for every school. The threat could come from the air.

[captain queeg]

4. What did the 700 hour training cover?

[AngryOldDem]

20. A lot, most likely.

Basic firearms training; hours at the shooting range; care, maintenance, and storage of a weapon; legalities and responsibilities; simulated attacks…

I’ve never handled a gun in my life, and I can tell you there would be no way in hell I’d feel comfortable with just 24 hours of training on how to use it, especially in roomful of kids.

[Ford_Prefect]

5. US Army recruits get more time to learn their weapons for combat and are required to be proficient.

Police and other armed first responders are the same.

The situational awareness required to defend against an active shooter involves far more than a loaded weapon within reach. The tactical thinking and judgement take time to learn and need ongoing training to maintain proficiency.

What the Governor and legislature have done is create an armed target for the potential shooters to concentrate on.

What happens when the presumed armed savior misses the assailant and collateral injuries or death result from the rounds they release?

The potential for disaster here cannot be overstated.

Consider for a moment how many people have been shot by police while holding what someone thought was a dangerous weapon, which later turned out to be a harmless object like a cell phone. What profile are the teachers going to use to determine when to return fire and at which target?

How many times in recent years have we seen stories where the officer, trainer or other qualified person dropped or otherwise accidently fired their weapon?

[Kaleva]

23. When I was in the Navy, we weren't allowed to carry loaded weapons when duty.

We could only load our weapons if the shit got real or when involved in weapons training. and target practice.

"How many times in recent years have we seen stories where the officer, trainer or other qualified person dropped or otherwise accidently fired their weapon?"

Other then LEO, most don't need to have their gun loaded.

[RSherman]

6. GI Teacher Joe

Right, let's arm teachers. Because things worked out so well for the armed guard at the Tops in Buffalo, who was also a trained, retired police officer. He ran toward danger, alone (unlike Uvalde cops), fired off shots at the shooter, but the shooter was wearing body armor.

How many armed law enforcement were in the hallway at Uvalde? Who had just gone through mass shooter training in March. How many stood outside? Waiting for orders. Waiting for back up. Waiting to see whose jurisdiction it was to give orders.

How about the Parkland security guard who hid?

The government MAKES students attend school, by law. The GOVERNMENT needs to figure out a way to protect children at school. People need to start suing the government until this happens. Or keep their children home if they can.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

8. Protect children at school, and everywhere, from getting shot? How about gun control?

Thats governments job? No, that’s the voters job to vote out the children hating, gun humping fascists.

[The Jungle 1]

11. Correct and we need to pound that very issue.

[Wuddles440]

13. And let's stop...

referring to reasonable (i.e. common sense) gun safety measures as "gun control." The right wingers created this slogan to create fear within the gun worshiping community and the lazy MSM media has normalized this talking point just like "pro life" and many others.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

22. Gun control is fine...the death and carnage they cause needs control, agreed?

[Wuddles440]

26. I think you missed the point.

It's all about the phraseology and the negative connotations that the word "control" invokes in general and especially with firearms enthusiasts - implications that one's freedoms are being reduced, compromised, restricted, or eliminated. That's why the GQP and the firearms industry promote and embrace such terminology instead of advocating for reasonable firearms laws for the common good and public safety. It keeps their supporters in a constant state of fear and agitation that some liberal boogie man is out to get them and their loved ones.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

34. Didnt miss the point, control of the gun is what is needed, control and more control.

Don’t agree with the point,

[Wuddles440]

35. You're obviously entitled...

to your opinion, but using the "control" verbiage will never generate the type of universal support for reform that this issue painfully demands! It should be presented and marketed as "public safety" for the common good of all citizens and not as a means of "controlling" citizens. Using your verbiage just reinforces the prime talking point that the GQP and firearms industry have been peddling for decades.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

36. Gun control is NOT a means of controlling citizens at all!...just the gun.

[Wuddles440]

39. The lack of understanding...

regarding effective messaging and basic marketing principles is the reason your insistence on using the language of "control" will never resonant with a significant segment of the public and is actually detrimental to those of us trying to promote reforms of firearms policies. You may not realize it, but you literally make writing the ads for the GQP, firearms industry, and their media easy. Among other messaging, it's the same reason that the GQP cultists always refer to themselves as being "pro life" instead of "anti-abortion." But, hey, you do you - just don't expect your language to change any minds!

[Alexander Of Assyria]

40. Death by gun in mass numbers has already changed minds, poll after poll. A single word

is irrelevant.

[Wuddles440]

43. You, sir....

are not living in a fact-based reality! Peace be with you. Goodbye.

[Kaleva]

24. Nobody has been able to do what you suggest yet.

[RSherman]

27. Voters/guns

In my district, we cannot vote out the gun humping, Trump loving Elise Stefanik because of gerrymandering. She can stay in office, basically, as long as she wants.

[radical noodle]

7. It's just a matter of time

until a teacher with an out-of-control student uses the gun to threaten and thereby subdue him/her.

[Warpy]

9. Stupid ass Republicans

Guns are what make school dangerous. More fucking guns won't do anything but increase the danger.

Kids are stupid about a lot of things. Having unsecured guns around them is insane. A well secured weapon can't be accessed in time,

Why do Republicams always think MORE GUNS will solve a gun problem?

Jeez, people, catch a clue and VOTE THEM OUT.

[lonely bird]

12. Ah, Ohio

Once again my state displays its idiocy.

[Wuddles440]

14. They want to finish first...

in the race to the bottom and be recognized as 'the worst of the worst'. And at their current pace, may actually achieve that objective!

[IronLionZion]

15. Arm the kids!

The answer is always more guns

[malthaussen]

16. 24 hours is barely enough to learn where the safety is.

Maybe he plans on arming the teachers with weapons without safeties.

-- Mal

[kimbutgar]

17. If they required that in my state I'd quit teaching.

No way do I want to own or ever use a gun anywhere and especially not in a class. And what would happen if a kid got ahold of that gun.

[Martin68]

18. A disaster waiting to happen.

[TeamProg]

19. Any sane person would say 'THIS IS NUTS!!!'

Unfortunately, the populace has become afraid of too many things.

That’s the grand plan. Make everyone fearful so they become more conservative and vote accordingly.

The lowest common denominator is stupidity and that’s the one thing a majority of Americans can find in common.

We’re probably doomed.

[Mysterian]

21. I'm tired of living in a nation full of stupid morons and insane maniacs

Republicans are flushing the USA down the toilet and we're approaching the maelstrom.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

25. Brilliant!!!!!

Wayne LaPierre's wet dream

[RSherman]

28. Teachers/guns

In many courts, the guards are not even allowed to carry guns because of past incidents in which a bad guy was able to grab the gun.

[867-5309.]

29. Students will be shot by these guns

I have no doubt of that.

[AngryOldDem]

30. But they had a day's worth of training.

[867-5309.]

32. Not just accidents

If a fight or similar situation is getting out of hand, might a staff member take matters into his/her own hands? Putting a gun on someone's hip changes the mindset.

[AngryOldDem]

33. Just not a good answer, just not a good solution, period.

What if a teacher has to use a weapon? What about the psychological ramifications of that? The Uvalde teacher said having a gun would have made no difference in his classroom.

We bend over backward in this country to justify and enable the gun culture. That’s the bottom line.

[MissMillie]

31. Nothing says "safety" than a cache of weapons

in a school w/ young kids
in the possession of teachers that don't know how to use them.

[haele]

37. Is this the state where the Congresscritter who wrote the bill owns a militia training

Academy that just happens to meet all the shooter response and gun safety training requirements?
I read somewhere in passing that some "former SEAL"/representative wrote a teacher's gun training bill that directly benefitted his gun tactics and safety training business.

Haele

[SouthBayDem]

38. Yes

The bill was sponsored by Sen. Frank Hoaglund (R-Mingo Junction), who runs a business advising schools on security, who said it helps the state and schools protect kids.

https://news.wosu.org/politics-government/2022-06-02/lawmakers-approve-lower-training-requirements-to-carry-guns-in-ohio-schools

[The Grand Illuminist]

41. This

[Cha]

42. Fucking Idiots.

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