Manchin says bipartisan gun agreement takes 'no rights away, no privileges away'

[Polybius]

Source: CNN

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia on Monday defended a newly reached bipartisan gun deal as a pragmatic step forward that won’t threaten gun owners’ Second Amendment rights.

“It’s based around children. It’s based around prevention and intervention. That’s what it’s based about. So we have to take what we have as a positive, and work off of this. This piece of legislation as drafted should not be threatening to any law-abiding citizen in the United States of America. Not one,” Manchin told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “The Lead.”

“And no law-abiding gun owner should be offended by this. We take no rights away, no privileges away. We don’t basically threaten you’re going to lose anything at all, except maybe if we don’t do this, you might lose a child or a grandchild,” he added.

Manchin is part of a bipartisan group of senators that has announced an agreement on principle for gun safety legislation. The deal includes “needed mental health resources, improves school safety and support for students, and helps ensure dangerous criminals and those who are adjudicated as mentally ill can’t purchase weapons,” the group said in a statement Sunday.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/13/politics/joe-manchin-bipartisan-gun-agreement-cnntv/index.html

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Perhaps that's the problem, it should take the right to own certain types of firearms away...

[IronLionZion]

1. We need to elect lots more Dem Senators

so that we can take some rights away like raising the age limit or establishing a permit/exam system for AR-15 style weapons. Responsible law abiding people should be able to support some of that.

[Lil Liberal Laura]

15. Nineteen More, to be Exact

Then we can tell Joey Loves Kyrstie to go fuck themselves!

[IronLionZion]

16. Why 19?

Wouldn't 10 or 12 give us a filibuster proof majority? And just 2 more to give us a simple majority without Joey and Kyrstie

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Would they get the same thrill if they could only buy blank ammo?

It would still have the noise, smoke, rush, kick ....

[maxsolomon]

3. Whatever it takes to do something, Joe.

Anything. Just move the needle; it's frozen in place.

But heaven forfend we impact "Privileges".

[Raven123]

4. If it takes no privileges away, it is ineffective

[Xoan]

6. +10

[PSPS]

5. In other words, Manchin admits it really won't do anything at all.

"won’t threaten gun owners’ Second Amendment rights." (as usual, these are not "second amendment rights." )
"should not be threatening to any law-abiding citizen"
"And no law-abiding gun owner should be offended"
"We take no rights away, no privileges away"
"you’re (not) going to lose anything at all"
"'except maybe if we don’t do this, you might lose a child or a grandchild,' he added."

[OLDMDDEM]

7. I say B.S.

Without an assault rifle ban, this is nothing but a way to appease the electorate. Kids will die and we'll scream at congress, but nothing will get done.

[ripcord]

10. And what do we do about the millions of assault weapons already in the hands of people?

The last assault weapon ban grandfathered in weapons people already owned, there are over 20 million assault weapons in the U.S. and as soon as the ban is seriously being discussed there will be a huge buying spree.

[OLDMDDEM]

11. Make it illegal

Give them a tax deduction equal to the amount paid for the gun, not to exceed number, and they have to turn it in. Not doing so would bring the owner under arrest. We wouldn't get all of them off the street, but would possibly get a fair share of them.

[Polybius]

13. The only way to take them away without pissing them off is to give them more than what they paid for

Offer them three times the amount for each one turned in, no questions asked.

[OLDMDDEM]

19. I like that.

Make the greedy bastards an offer they can't refuse.

[aocommunalpunch]

8. The right to life will probably stay out of reach for those on the receiving end of bullets. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

9. I will never trust him.

[twodogsbarking]

12. Interesting how people accept the government, banks, advertisers, internet companies, insurers and

a host of others to monitor most every aspect of their lives except guns.
Touch me anywhere but not there.

[nevergiveup]

14. Please, oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we hold on to the senate seats we have and pick up a couple of extra so we don't have to pay any more attention to
or be held hostage by this waste of a human being.

[Akoto]

18. Too vague, ineffective. I could be prohibited under mental health rules like these.

Mental illness is a broad spectrum of conditions and severities. I have anxiety and depression, but zero desire to kill anyone. Will I be forbidden from buying a gun? Not that I really support owning them, but I'm just making a point.

I feel that we get nowhere until we begin to halt sales of the weapons used in recent incidents of great severity, like the AR-15. Extended clips, as well. If you need that many bullets to defend yourself, you need to have eye surgery. If you're using them for convenience at the range, then fine, have them dispensed at the range and the cartridge required to be returned when you leave.

Just my thoughts. My biggest target would be the AR-15 and similar weapons. They aren't hunting rifles. They exist for one purpose, and that's to destroy whatever they're pointed at.

[Vinca]

20. So true, Joe. Little Johnny will still be able to get an AK to wipe out the 4th grade class.

We die so they can have their "rights and privileges."

[J_William_Ryan]

21. Enacting an AWB

and making it illegal to possess an assault weapon would face ex post facto court challenges.

A buy-back program would likewise be subject to Fifth Amendment Takings Clause court challenges.

That contraband isn’t entitled to Fifth Amendment protections won’t stop the lawsuits in Federal court which at a minimum would require a fair hearing – it could take decades to adjudicate just a fraction of the suits.

[Paladin]

22. Manchin, shielding himself with a "For The Children" defense.

Proof positive that the agreement isn't anywhere close to good enough...

[myohmy2]

23. if manchin...

...likes it and is not holding out, it has to be next to worthless...

...and it is...

...so, until the next mass shooting and slaughter

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