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(1,189 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:34 PM Jun 2022

Trump claims he never asked Pence to overturn the election on Truth Social after dramatic J6 hearing

Source: The Independent

Former president Donald Trump denied that he tried to force vice president Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 presidential election results on January 6 last year.

Mr Trump’s words come a day after the House select committee investigating the riot at the US Capitol held its third public hearing, where Mr Pence’s former White House Counsel Greg Jacob testified about the pressure campaign the former vice president sustained at the hands of the president and his legal team...

“Such LIES & MISREPRESENTATION by the Unselects, and absolutely nobody allowed to challenge what is being said”, Mr Trump posted. “As an example, I never asked V.P. Pence to ‘overturn’ the election (although Thomas Jefferson ‘took’ the Georgia votes), but that he send the votes back to the Legislatures so that they could determine if the irregularities and Fraud were as widespread and signficant as they seemed.”...

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-pence-overturn-election-jan-6-b2103457.html

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Trump claims he never asked Pence to overturn the election on Truth Social after dramatic J6 hearing (Original Post) 867-5309. Jun 2022 OP
it's all just he said vs he said unless there's recordings nt msongs Jun 2022 #1
Is it really though? VMA131Marine Jun 2022 #2
You mean all of trump's public statements to Pence for a month a half before J6 ZonkerHarris Jun 2022 #4
Trump provided the proof. TwilightZone Jun 2022 #12
Trump, 'You Can Be a Patriot or You Can Be a pussy' Botany Jun 2022 #3
So in the end, Pence chose Patriot. And the other choice would have been better described as patsy. thesquanderer Jun 2022 #10
A patsy is one framed to take blame for a crime. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #27
Dear Donald, There was no voting fraud widespread or otherwise but you nonetheless spread the lie cstanleytech Jun 2022 #5
Are you high, Bloated Tick? Aviation Pro Jun 2022 #6
Lying sack of shit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2022 #7
While I agree with your ideas , the "Sack of Shit Company" that I am associated with, begs Stuart G Jun 2022 #13
Snort!! niyad Jun 2022 #21
I like your explanation 3auld6phart Jun 2022 #32
bowel defecation ejection? llashram Jun 2022 #34
... trusty elf Jun 2022 #24
Semantics. unblock Jun 2022 #8
His drooling idiots reading this are now FURIOUS with that Thomas Jefferson guy-- viva la Jun 2022 #9
Lol Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #36
How many times have we seen video of him not to certify the election? Quite a few JohnSJ Jun 2022 #11
Didn't he just confess?? moose65 Jun 2022 #14
Why yes, yes he did just that. speak easy Jun 2022 #19
You could only send them back IF you stopped the Electorial process Bengus81 Jun 2022 #28
I know it's 'just an expression' ('his ass is grass').......... MyOwnPeace Jun 2022 #35
I seem to recall that Trump, on the morning of January 6th, in front of a cheering crowd on Raven Jun 2022 #15
this. mopinko Jun 2022 #40
Pathological liar: LogicFirst Jun 2022 #16
Liar. The Jan 6 Committee has the tapes. SharonClark Jun 2022 #17
Everybody is trying to get some distance Aussie105 Jun 2022 #18
As expected, he's falling back on his IMPLICIT direction rather than EXPLICIT direction. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #20
I hate trump more than I have ever hated another person in my entire life. mwb970 Jun 2022 #23
I want that POS to stroke out or drop dead more than I ever wanted Limbaugh gone........ Bengus81 Jun 2022 #29
What a damn liar. mwb970 Jun 2022 #22
Maybe it was donald's evil twin Marthe48 Jun 2022 #25
Pressure getting to Pisswig the Demented Despot? Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #26
LOL...wonder how USED those Trump saps that committed TREASON feel about now? Bengus81 Jun 2022 #30
He was caught in thousands of lies while President. twodogsbarking Jun 2022 #31
His lies are becoming more transparent and preposterous. BlueIdaho Jun 2022 #33
Wow! He has really polished his spiel. nt leftyladyfrommo Jun 2022 #37
I told Pence to obstruct - not overturn. Bigly difference. Marcuse Jun 2022 #38
Trump? Lie? That's just preposterous! zanana1 Jun 2022 #39
After Tuesday's hearing Trump will say, the Georgia recording is a fake. sarcasmo Jun 2022 #41
This is very reminiscent of Nixon or BootinUp Jun 2022 #42

VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
2. Is it really though?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:39 PM
Jun 2022

Trump is a know habitual liar and more than one person can corroborate what he said to Pence.

ZonkerHarris

(24,221 posts)
4. You mean all of trump's public statements to Pence for a month a half before J6
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:42 PM
Jun 2022

yeah there's a lot of video

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
12. Trump provided the proof.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jun 2022

The tweets about Pence not doing what Trump wanted were pretty clearly in reference to overturning the election, particularly the one he sent in the middle of the insurrection on the 6th.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
3. Trump, 'You Can Be a Patriot or You Can Be a pussy'
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:39 PM
Jun 2022

In an interview with ABC’s Jonathan Karl, former President Donald Trump said he “would not dispute” reports that he told then-Vice President Mike Pence on the morning of Jan. 6 before his supporters launched a deadly storming of the Capitol, “You can be a patriot or you can be a pussy.”

Just a week after the insurrection, The New York Times reported a phone call between Trump and Pence that took place just before the vice president departed for the Capitol to preside over the electoral vote count.

“You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Trump told Pence according to The Times, “or you can go down in history as a pussy.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-pence-patriot-pussy-1257669/

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
10. So in the end, Pence chose Patriot. And the other choice would have been better described as patsy.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:47 PM
Jun 2022

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
5. Dear Donald, There was no voting fraud widespread or otherwise but you nonetheless spread the lie
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:42 PM
Jun 2022

that there was all in an effort to not appear to be a loser you fucking dong.
Sincerely,
A voter that wishes you would do the world a favor and stop sucking in anymore oxygen.

Aviation Pro

(12,150 posts)
6. Are you high, Bloated Tick?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:43 PM
Jun 2022

Have you fallen off your meds?

Do you have a ringing in your ears, you motherfucker?

Good.

Die.

Soon.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
13. While I agree with your ideas , the "Sack of Shit Company" that I am associated with, begs
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:58 PM
Jun 2022

to differ. We at "Sack Of Shit" do not lie...We are proud of the company, and work to keep the bags strong.
..While we are proud of "S**T we want you to know that the bags are strong and do .."NOT LIE AROUND AND
DO NOTHING"
....

....While we think we have seen it all, our company does NOT in any way shape or form want to be connected to or
with Donald Trump....Who is a total "Idiot and Liar".....

....While Trump is a Liar and Crook, we want you to know that we are not associated in any way shape or form, with
........That Lying ...."Sack of Bowels or Manure"...as you can call it. .........and.........

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unblock

(52,196 posts)
8. Semantics.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:45 PM
Jun 2022

Yeah, he didn't ask pence to simply say "Donnie won".

Instead, he asked pence to defy the law and clear will of the people and play a part in a contrived process to allow various people in various positions of power to abuse legal powers for the sole purpose of replacing the actual result of the election with the result donnie preferred, using the completely fabricated excuse of election fraud as cover.

viva la

(3,285 posts)
9. His drooling idiots reading this are now FURIOUS with that Thomas Jefferson guy--
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:47 PM
Jun 2022

Who stole Trump's Georgia votes!

moose65

(3,166 posts)
14. Didn't he just confess??
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:03 PM
Jun 2022

Asking Pence to send the votes back to the States is an admission that he wanted Pence to meddle with the votes.

speak easy

(9,238 posts)
19. Why yes, yes he did just that.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:55 PM
Jun 2022

There is first hand testimony that Trump was advised by Eastman himself that the scheme was unconstitutional and illegal.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
28. You could only send them back IF you stopped the Electorial process
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jun 2022

Which is a attempted take over of the Government by Trump. He wouldn't be saying this patently ridiculous BS except he knows his ass is grass.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
35. I know it's 'just an expression' ('his ass is grass')..........
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:52 PM
Jun 2022

but trust me, there's no prairie in the 'heartlands' anywhere near THAT big - and they are NEVER THAT color - (that which the 'Depends' can't contain......).

And those gathered around "his ass" - they are NOT cattle grazing - they are sick little dwarfs that cannot exist in a true and fair democracy - and they want "Dear Leader" to help lead them to more power, corruption, and, of course, to 'Own the Libs!'

Raven

(13,889 posts)
15. I seem to recall that Trump, on the morning of January 6th, in front of a cheering crowd on
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:24 PM
Jun 2022

the Ellipse, said that if Pence did what he wanted him to do, "we win." Did I just imagine that?

LogicFirst

(571 posts)
16. Pathological liar:
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:31 PM
Jun 2022

“Some of the symptoms of a pathological liar are: they lie to gain something, they exaggerate things, they keep on changing their stories, and they live in a false sense of 'reality. ' If confronted, they act defensive and never admit that they are liars. Lastly, they hold no value for truth.”

Aussie105

(5,377 posts)
18. Everybody is trying to get some distance
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:53 PM
Jun 2022

between themselves and what happened.

Even Trump is trying to get distance from what he said and did.

Not going to work.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
20. As expected, he's falling back on his IMPLICIT direction rather than EXPLICIT direction.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 10:18 PM
Jun 2022

It's narrowly true, he never said "overturn the election".

He said, paraphrasing, "you don't have the courage to do what's right". It's IMPLICIT direction.

It's why he always speaks like a Mob Boss. He is the worst person in America.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
29. I want that POS to stroke out or drop dead more than I ever wanted Limbaugh gone........
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jun 2022

And that's saying alot

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
26. Pressure getting to Pisswig the Demented Despot?
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 11:09 AM
Jun 2022
From Taunts and Lies to an Angry Mob:

Jan. 6 Panel Details Trump's Pressure Campaign Against Pence


BY BRIAN BENNETT
TIME, JUNE 16, 2022

On the morning of Jan. 6, 2021, Mike Pence was praying with his staff inside the Vice Presidential residence at the Naval Observatory compound in Washington. They knew it was going to be a difficult day, so they asked for wisdom and guidance. That’s when President Trump called.

Trump was berating Pence for continuing to maintain that the Vice President had no legal power to reject the Electoral College votes in Congress later that day, a move that would have handed Trump the election. White House staff and family members around Trump in the Oval Office during his call with Pence described to the Jan. 6 committee how Trump’s tone got “heated.” Trump called Pence a “wimp” and “the P-word,” witnesses said, and told Pence he had made the wrong decision picking Pence for Vice Presiden

Source: https://time.com/6188551/pence-pressure-jan-6-trump/

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
30. LOL...wonder how USED those Trump saps that committed TREASON feel about now?
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jun 2022

What?? Our Fuhrer just said he DIDN'T want Pence to overthrow the election??

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
33. His lies are becoming more transparent and preposterous.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:32 PM
Jun 2022

This may help him hold his “base” but the vast majority of Americans see right through him. This only makes us hate him more and trust him less.

If he keeps talking, we’ll keep winning.

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