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Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:41 PM

Most Americans Don't Want Biden or Trump to Run Again: Poll

Source: Newsweek

A new poll has shown that a majority of Americans don't want either Joe Biden or Donald Trump to run as President in 2024.

On the question regarding should former President Donald Trump run for President in 2024, 55 percent of people said no while 31 percent said yes.

President Biden received an even more negative verdict from poll participants.

When asked whether Biden should run again for President in 2024, 64 percent of people said no while 21 percent said yes.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-joe-biden-new-poll-run-election-president-1717171

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Reply Most Americans Don't Want Biden or Trump to Run Again: Poll (Original post)
Polybius Jun 19 OP
Walleye Jun 19 #1
enid602 Jun 20 #18
elleng Jun 19 #2
James48 Jun 19 #5
True Dough Jun 20 #10
JohnSJ Jun 20 #21
SouthernDem4ever Jun 20 #31
Seeking Serenity Jun 21 #77
Joinfortmill Jul 6 #93
LudwigPastorius Jun 19 #7
True Dough Jun 20 #12
Polybius Jun 20 #11
mobeau69 Jun 20 #14
Haggard Celine Jun 20 #25
LenaBaby61 Jun 20 #15
elleng Jun 20 #16
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Joinfortmill Jul 6 #94
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hueymahl Jun 20 #63
whistler162 Jun 22 #81
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larwdem Jun 19 #4
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JohnSJ Jun 20 #24
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TheProle Jun 20 #57
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womanofthehills Jul 5 #89
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Polybius Jun 20 #28
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cstanleytech Jun 20 #27
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Polybius Jun 20 #48
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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:45 PM

1. I've said before, Joe will do what he judges to be best for the country. complete faith in that

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Response to Walleye (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:57 AM

18. Still

Agreed,but I'd still like to see a Harris/Biden ticket in '22.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:48 PM

2. Heckuva poll result.

Anyone believe this?

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:56 PM

5. Yes, I do.

The country voted more against Trump than for Biden last time, at least that is how I see it.

And I fear that it’s going to be a terrible result next time if neither party can bring new ideas and new candidates to the ticket. If it becomes a re-run of 2020, it’s going to turn off a lot of voters.

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Response to James48 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:06 AM

10. Agreed,

even if that's not a popular position on the DU.

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Response to James48 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:31 AM

21. Nonesense. When we lose against republicans it has been because of the damn electoral college.

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Gore won the popular vote against bush. Hillary won the popular vote against trump, and that imbalance has been occurring more and more frequently.

In fact if it wasn't for that jackass Comey, and the media, falsely reporting that the email investigation was reoopened, which was a lie, Hillary would have won both the popular vote and the electoral college.

As far as the view that neither party has new ideas, that is also nonesense.

The new ideas are coming from Democrats, not republicans.

The only party who has been pushing new ideas is the Democratic party. The republican party wants to roll back women's rights, civil rights, workers rights, environmental rights, healthcare rights, etc. etc. etc.

The republican party has had decades to come up with a healthcare plan, and they couldn't come up with one.

Like Social Security and Medicare, it was because of the DEMOCRATS, not the republicans.

With a 50-50 Senate, and two Democratic Senators blocking most of the new ideas and prograns pushed by Democrats, it is not accurate to say the Democrats actually control Congress.

Your premise that the only reason Biden won in 2020 was because it was a vote against trump, that is a false premise. The differences between Biden and trump were night and day, and it was those difference why more people voted for Biden over trump.

Trump made no secret when he ran that he was a racist, sexist, and bigot.

and when he won in 2016, it was pretty obvious what he stood for, enriching his own pockets using the power of the presidency.







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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 06:48 AM

31. It all comes down to gas and food prices

They can't see the forest through the trees.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:14 AM

77. I can't think of a single R[acist] president since Dwight Eisenhower (maybe)

Who were legitimately elected in a free and fair election. There's absolutely no way they could be. They're born cheats and liars.

As far as I'm concerned, the true, legitimate presidents since at least 1929 have been Al Smith, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Adlai Stevenson, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, Jimmy Carter, Fritz Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden.

Anyone else who usurped the title of President of the United States was an anti-president and thus illegitimate.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 05:36 AM

93. Amen

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:59 PM

7. Look at overall approval ratings.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:07 AM

12. Those numbers

are indeed ugly and alarming. Some of it is macro economics, far beyond Biden's control, but many a sitting president has paid a price for poor timing, no fault of his own.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:07 AM

11. Absolutely

Sad to say.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:19 AM

14. I do. No matter how wrong it is to blame Biden it is happening right now.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:17 AM

25. Yes it's true.

There's all kinds of media out there who do nothing but tear down Joe Biden. Everything he does is a disaster, he's feeble, the criticism never stops. All that negativity is having their desired effect on the public. They think Biden is a problem, and they're blaming everything on him. We need to turn the tide in a big way.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:26 AM

15. I don't believe this polling for one minute.

From what I read, the basic model most of these pollsters use is that they interview older, white, right-leaning folks who live in the upper Eastern part of the country who mostly use landlines. And even when they interview younger or people of color, that skews the polling even further right. Look at the cross-taps of the polling. Polling sample numbers. Age of those polled. The sex of those polled. The MOE to see if it's too high, and how many people were polled. Sometimes, I look at the MOE of these polls and it a +/-5.3 MOE.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:40 AM

16. Thanks

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:56 AM

75. I've never ever been called on one of these polls,I live in the midwest

That includes a lot of years with a land line AND a cell phone.

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 05:40 AM

94. 👍

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:37 AM

35. Sadly, yes.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:13 PM

63. Not surprised at all

Given the state of pocket book issues like inflation. People vote primarily based on their financial wellbeing, present company excluded.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 04:54 AM

81. I don't believe polls.

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #81)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 08:31 AM

84. If ignoring data makes you feel good, enjoy...

Even if a poll isn't 100% accurate, they generally point to a trend. There's good data that people are unhappy with Biden as President, and there was excellent data that people were unhappy with Trump as President.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:51 PM

3. It's a good thing that polls...

Are generally not even worth the paper they're printed on.

I, for one, will be voting for Joe Biden in 2024.


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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:52 PM

4. it's A

bull shit poll

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:57 PM

6. That number will change when the economy improves.


Joe's got 24 months to get it done.

I have faith, but it's going to be a hell of a lot harder if the Nazi party makes gains in Congress come November.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:02 AM

8. Apathy! Use it to advantage. GOTV

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216798636

Best GOTV links and actions page on DU.

When nobody cares, care like crazy and get them voters to vote.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:03 AM

9. tRump is preferred over Biden

Hell no! More propaganda. No telling where it’s coming from.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:16 AM

13. Sorry, But Negative Outlooks & Thoughts Are Not Allowed On DU

We're only allowed to post about how well Democrats are going to do in November and in 2024, how TFG and his cronies will all be held accountable, and how strict gun control measures are going to be enacted soon.

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Response to SoCalDavidS (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:39 AM

23. yeah...

if I go to Kos, it's all about how everything is Dems fault. Come here, it's all sunshine and puppies.

Something in the middle would be nice, but there really isn't that option. Each has it's own strengths and pros though obviously.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:53 AM

17. Moot Point

Jesus phoned me a couple of hours ago, said he'd be Coming Back this September.

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Response to Lil Liberal Laura (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 04:20 AM

71. with JFK JR?

nt

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:58 AM

19. Newsweek has dwindled from a major national news weekly to a small rightwing mouthpiece.

I will wait for something far broader before I panic. It's not like the country would prefer to see Nina Turner vs. Ted Cruz.

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Response to DFW (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:46 AM

24. What used to be a reputable news magazine has turned into a rightwing rag. They have pushed

rightwing editorials from falsely saying Kamala Harris cannot be VP because she does not meet the citizenship requirements, to how a presidential election could overturn the will of the people. Not surprisingly, both editorials were by John Eastman.

https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions-kamala-harris-about-eligibility-opinion-1524483

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:26 AM

85. Holy cats.

This needs spreading. Thanks.

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Response to DFW (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:38 AM

36. They're just reporting. The poll was by YouGov, which is reputable.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:39 AM

40. I had never heard of YouGov

They are not, understandably, known over here at all, and I don't know every polling outfit in North America, or whether not they enjoy widespread credibility.

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Response to DFW (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:02 PM

57. But you presumably have Google

You’re in two threads acting as if it’s a garbage poll due to the sole fact that you have never heard of it.

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Response to TheProle (Reply #57)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:18 PM

59. Nope, just in two threads saying I've never heard of it

If I spent my time using Google for everything mentioned that I've never heard of, I'd be glued to my computer, and devoid of a life outside. I still work for a living, and have a private life to boot. I'm sure I mention plenty of things that seem obscure to others that are commonplace to me. Somehow, most people survive it without firing off a salvo.

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Response to DFW (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:28 PM

89. Five Thirty Eight gives YouGov a B +

It took me about 30 seconds to find that out.

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Response to DFW (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:18 PM

52. Yep!

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:27 AM

20. poll's suck !

 

they poll who will pick up the phone & talk to them ! they ask question's like if your a voter ! how the hell they know you are & not ? I'M going to take word of poll's ------ NOT !

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:31 AM

22. I also don't want...

Bernie, Pence, Hillary, DeSantis, Noem, Haley, Gabbard, Manchin, Sinema, Yang.

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Response to Mawspam2 (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:48 AM

28. I'd love Hillary to run again

Doubt she will though.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:41 AM

26. Newsweek is a "pink slime" rightwing propaganda mouthpiece

Polls like this are designed to generate negative "News". I don't think this should even be up on DU.
Newsweek crossed over to the dark side around 2018, and has become a mouthpiece for the loony right.

Writing in The Columbia Journalism Review last year, Daniel Tovrov depicted Newsweek, once one of America’s most distinguished magazines, as a shell of its former self. All that was left was clickbait, op-eds from the likes of Nigel Farage and Newt Gingrich, and a general sense of drift. “Nobody I spoke to for this article had a sense of why Newsweek exists,” Tovrov wrote.


Last week, Newsweek suggested one possible purpose: The legitimization of narratives straight out of the right-wing fever swamps. An op-ed written by John Eastman, a conservative lawyer and founding director of the Claremont Institute’s Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, coyly suggested that Kamala Harris, who was born in California, may not be eligible to serve as vice president because her parents were immigrants. It was, as many pointed out, a racist attack with no constitutional merit, on par with the birther conspiracy theory that claimed Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Within a few hours, Eastman’s op-ed was being brandished by President Trump, who told reporters he had “heard” Harris may not be eligible to serve.

--Alex Shephard/August 18, 2020
https://newrepublic.com/article/158968/newsweek-rise-zombie-magazine

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:45 AM

27. Don't they realize that Biden simply inherited the mess that Trump and the elected Republicans

caused and that the same Republicans have stonewalled him and the Democrats on trying to clean it up because the Republicans are counting on using it against the Democrats?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:04 PM

50. Nope

It's why I 100% believe this poll. You can set you're watch by the stupidity and fickleness of the American public.

1976 - Carter inherits the general distrust of government left by Nixon. Not to mention gas lines (which didn't start with Carter) and he gets the blame and we end up with "mourning in america."

1992/1994 - Clinton gets elected after 12 years of Reaganomics, scandals, and a general mess (most people don't remember how bad things were at the end of Reagan's Administration with Iran-Contra, the S&Ls, etc.). But, in 2 years, we get the Contract with America Gingrich nightmare. Reagan/Bush left a disaster and Clinton didn't get it all cleaned up in 2 years (which was impossible, and the sitting president got blamed).

2008/2010 - Obama inherits total chaos (in fact, the 2006 Dems inherited chaos and started to work on it but it was monumental) and within 3 months we have the Tea Party and Obama gets blamed for not fixing everything in 2 years. People like to blame ObamaCare but the Tea Party nonsense happened almost immediately after his election...they didn't even know where all the white house bathrooms were yet.

2020/2022 - Trump runs one of the most incompetent, disastrous, corrupt, unbelievable administrations in the history of the developed world and the inevitable fallout hits Biden. Based on the other three examples, we know what is going to happen next...


There are so many centrists and moderates who don't pay attention to what got them to a particular state and they just knee-jerk blame the person in office. So they either vote against the incumbent without thinking or don't show up. Republicans consistently leave a giant mess that will take a long time to clean and with the pathetic attention span of most Americans, the Dems get all the blame for something they had little to do with. Not to mention the social conservatives usually find something to scare everyone about that isn't a thing and you get a mid-term bloodbath. Dems could help immensely with better messaging but they've never been good at that in my lifetime. The media is also rarely helpful as they also have, collectively, the attention span of a gnat and tend to just ask why everything isn't great in America when they know damn well why.

So, this poll is real. The facts that got us here, unfortunately, will mean nothing to many voters.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:53 AM

29. Good thing Biden isn't running until 2024.

By then we’ll have a true majority in both Houses, the infrastructure will be getting built and Ukraine will be in EU.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 06:57 AM

33. Unfortunately untrue

The 2024 election cycle will begin moments after we hear the results of November’s elections and will be influenced by the perceptions (read “the blame game”) that proceed from it.

The president won’t be able to put off a decision long enough for the economy to recover because other democrats (potentially a few in his own administration) can’t afford to let others jump ahead in the process.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:12 AM

34. I'd love to live in that world. Sadly isn't happening.

Although I have thought from the beginning that Biden wouldnt run again. He alluded to it during the campaign. But it would be foolish for him to say it NOW.
But some major infrastructure projects SHOULD be underway by then.

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Response to tirebiter (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:16 PM

48. How?

We're going to lose at least the House in 2022. There's no way to get it back before the 2024 election.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:37 AM

30. Assuming this is true

And that’s a big assumption, it just sucks.


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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 06:51 AM

32. The fact that EVERYONE doesn't want trump to run again shows America is Eff'd

Too many don't care about representative government and are willing to hand it over to truly awful people.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:04 AM

37. It is the media coverage

Joe is 9-10 points worse than Trump? That is utterly insane.

In facing circumstances beyond his control, Joe has done a pretty good job.
He hasn't lied his head off every day like Trump did 38,000 times in four years.
He isn't suspected of committing a long list of crimes while treason is at or near the top of Trump's alleged crimes.

90% of US media is controlled by 6 entities. They all want to hang on to their tax breaks.

Without an honest media to arbitrate and truthfully inform, US Democracy is broken.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:14 PM

68. None of that matters if gas, food and rent are up

If you don’t have the necessities, you cannot look at the larger picture.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 02:38 AM

80. The news media loves amplifying any juicy dirt to make their target look bad

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Response to SunImp (Reply #80)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 07:28 AM

82. That is probably true

But compare the juicy dirt of Trump to Biden.
Trump has volumes more.

But 'fair and balanced' by the media owned by the American oligarchs has Biden being bashed as much or more to drive his numbers lower than Trump's.

Biden ought to look like a saint compared to Trump. But he won't because the American oligarchs deem it to be that way with their control of the media.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:09 AM

38. There is no way I want Trump to run again. This won't be popular here "age". Let's face it

Biden will be over 80 years old. Trump isn't that far behind Biden in age either. We need someone that isn't
of Medicare age to run.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:10 AM

39. But most Americans don't vote

Many Americans think trump is POTUS, while the majority of Americans know Biden is POTUS.

The majority of the largest minority party think trump is POTUS. The majority of the largest majority party know Biden is POTUS.

This poll was created by a profit making business to assist a profit making enterprise make a profit.

Imho






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Response to Deb (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:47 PM

99. As are other polls

including the ones DUers hold up as signs of victory.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:54 AM

41. I hate to agree with the poll but

Biden did his job and got Trump out of office. It is time to get new ideas into office. You can say its wrong but if you cant run for president until you are 35 you shouldn't be allowed after you are 65.

Hopefully AOC runs if Biden decides not to.

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Response to KeepLeft-101 (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:21 AM

44. Disagree

65 is too young to say you shouldn't be allowed to run. How old are you?

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:22 PM

60. I'm 51

so do you think there shouldnt be a cut off or what do you think it should be? 67?

We are looking at the hardest/most pressure job in the world. I think it should be a younger persons game because of the demand.

Or there should be no age requirement. Let someone 25 run if they want. But if you say you dont have enough experience until 35 then I say you have too much at 70. Too set in your ways and too out of touch with the majority of Americans. I mean how does someone in the 70's relate to the issues kids graduating HS and going off to college?

I think Obama was the perfect age when he was first elected. Dont get me wrong I like Biden and think he is doing a decent job. But no matter who he runs against his age will be a serious issue and really it should be


I will admit I wanted Pete Buttigieg before he dropped out.

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Response to KeepLeft-101 (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:01 PM

66. AOC wouldn't win. No chance.


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Response to shrike3 (Reply #66)

Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:39 PM

86. thats what they said about Bernie

and the entire party had to come together so Bernie wouldnt win. Biden needed everyone to drop out and endorse him.

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Response to KeepLeft-101 (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 5, 2022, 09:16 PM

87. Uh -- Bernie didn't win. Either time. Nice try.

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Response to KeepLeft-101 (Reply #86)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:51 PM

101. The Russians say so

So it must be true. Interesting to see you still promoting the propaganda that helped put Trump in the White House.

Bernie lost twice. He couldn't get his supporters to the polls, twice.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #101)

Thu Jul 7, 2022, 08:08 AM

104. propaganda ?

did we all forget the nomination primary? Bernie running away with it. The countless articles the Dems are in full panic. All the party officials meeting with Pete Buttigieg & Amy Klobuchar among others to drop out and indorse Biden.

Look, I happily voted for Biden. But I'm not going to pretend the party didn't step in and help him get elected when Bernie looked like he was going to win the nomination.

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Response to KeepLeft-101 (Reply #104)

Thu Jul 7, 2022, 03:33 PM

107. Until he got to South Carolina

where black people vote. He won a couple of small, white states. That's not running away with it. The excuses got very ugly at that point. I saw a lot that I will never unsee, and I remember well.

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Response to KeepLeft-101 (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 05:17 AM

73. ...



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Response to betsuni (Reply #73)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:32 PM

78. What was the point of that fucking video?

There was no announcement that she is running for president or anything to do with the OP. It's just her lamenting that she's not being afforded the same privileges as other congressmen, being denied even the bare minimum of what even prisoners get.

This isn't right.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #78)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 02:33 AM

79. Every politician has done & said some awkward things during their careers

This appears to be a video blog early in AOC's first term. AOC here seems to just want to be quirky & chill to show people that she is just like everyone else. Her intended audience for these are the college age folks who enjoy vlogs or livestreams or any young adult just starting their adult life.

On topic she has done & said a lot of stupid things throughout her career that will definitely hurt her chances to run for anything higher than her current position.Sonno chance for a Presidential run down the line. I doubt she even wants to be President though. It doesn't help that she has the news & overly critical people on all sides who take things she does or says out of context and amplifies any mistake she makes. I mean like with nothing burgers like this video people some people are upset at her.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #78)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 07:40 AM

83. ...

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #78)

Thu Jul 7, 2022, 03:41 PM

108. Don't congresspeople provide their own housing?

Why do you imply the Dem party denied her furnishings?

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Response to iemanja (Reply #108)

Thu Jul 7, 2022, 04:50 PM

110. I thought Congress folks got some sort of basic housing allowance

Especially for freshmen.

I readily admit that I could be mistaken.

I wasn't blaming the Party, except maybe to the extent that I mistakenly believed either the Congress or the Party had some obligation to help AOC, one of the most popular Democrats even as a freshman, at least furnish her digs.

Moving on....

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Response to KeepLeft-101 (Reply #41)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:48 PM

100. AOC could never be elected national wide

There is no evidence she could be elected state wide, let alone nation wide. That's she's your favorite does not make her a strong candidate.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:32 AM

42. This is an online poll.

And apparently took place on Yahoo? Yeah, I'm not taking it seriously.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:17 AM

43. I support Biden

100%

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:03 AM

45. WTF?? Americans are their own worst enemy. Joe Biden rocks...

and no, I don't want to hear about inflation, so don't even start.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:13 AM

46. newsweek is a

Right-Wing Rag. The media want to blame President Biden for the current state of financial affairs in this country. I can't. President Biden came into office with a hell of a job before him in cleaning out the trump scum embedded in all levels of government. Still cleaning the trump faeces from the toilets I'm sure. If d.trump has taken foreign affairs more seriously instead of accepting guidance from Jarad and Ivanka we would not have had the repair job with allies President Biden faced. With help from his still BFF Putin about Ukraine instead of trying to leverage weapons for political points, maybe just maybe President Zelensky could have been better prepared for the invasion Putin planned all along. I just hope there are enough Americans who overwhelmingly want to save our form of government in the upcoming elections.

To hell with Newsweek polls!!!

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 12:06 PM

47. The poll is very questionable.

An online poll is usually pretty useless. Newsweek has turned to the dark side and can't be trusted.

OK, that said, Dems have got to do more.

Biden has the power to guarantee that 42 million Americans vote for him. (that's my figures based on actual voters and student loan holders) By forgiving student loan interest, then promising more higher education assistance, it will gurantee Dems those 42 million votes.

He has said he would help students but he really hasn't done much. Mostly Congress has been doing the heavy lifting which has now been stopped because GOPers are afraid they will lose their crazy vote.

What I'm saying is yeah he got voted in by saying he was going to forgive some student debt but he still hasn't done anything substantial. Now, the student loan holders (1 in 5 Americans) don't believe him anymore. He has got to do something showy and that something has to be big if he wants those student loan holders to vote for him again.

If Trump or GOPers thought they could win the elections by forgiving student debt, they would do it without a 2nd thought. The GOP did do it for campaign contributions and influence from the filthy rich with the huge tax cuts. They bought the filthy rich's influence and contributions by forgiving them their taxes.

I guarantee you the next GOPer to win an election for president will offer student loan forgiveness. If the Dems don't do it now, the GOPers will. They will use it as a campaign promise and they will get 42 million votes out of it. The Dems need to pull that rug out from under Trump and GOPers by getting Biden to go big and forgive student loan interest. If they don't, they are going to lose a big block of voters.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:01 PM

49. That most Americans don't want either at this moment is likely true

Outside of the GOP, Trump is considered to have been a poor President.

Biden is occupying the Oval Office during a period of high inflation and falling stock market-- historically high inflation has been poison to electability in the USA. It hurt Carter in 1980 and even Reagan in 1983 was at 35% favorability, before Paul Volcker's efforts at the Fed broke the back of stagflation, allowing Reagan to bounce back in 1984.

Everything will depend on the economy. The Fed has already stated taking strong medicine. The Chinese actions on Covid zero tolerance which affect the supply chain are not in US control. Higher oil prices partially result from the Ukraine war sanctions. Biden can help them win by sending more/better weapons.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:14 PM

51. Most Americans were not polled.

Only 1,541 out of about 240 million people.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:01 PM

67. That's how polls work - they are statistical samples of a population with a calculated margin of

error. Political campaigns have been using polling for years; the Nielsen ratings that determine the viewership for television programs are based on statistical sampling.

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Response to Midwestern Democrat (Reply #67)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:58 AM

76. I understand that.

Not all polls provide what the people feel. Not all polls are conducted by phone. Not all people have computers or landlines.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:21 PM

53. Joe has 2 years 7 months remaining in this term.

Any poll at this time is too damn early.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:24 PM

54. The poll by YouGov and Yahoo must have been conducted at a discount so

they could get something published.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:27 PM

55. Maybe I mishear or misundersood but

I thought Biden running for POTUS was intended to accomplish two things. First, obviously, to defeat TFG. Second, to act as a bridge, transitioning from the old guard and bringing the new, and in many cases, brilliant young talent in the Democratic Party into leadership positions. At some point my generation (I'll be 70 in a couple of months) has to let go of the reins and let the people who are inheriting the mess we're leaving them take control and make the changes necessary for them to have a shot at the future.

In fact it's time for pretty much everybody from my generation to get out of active leadership roles and move on to the job of elders offering wise and sage advice based on years of experience. Most of us are out of touch with the younger generations and those who have spent decades in the beltway are pretty much out of touch with the rest of the nation as well.

Time to change the guard folks, the young folk are going to have to live with what's coming it's only right that they should get to make the decisions that will help them navigate through the rough waters ahead.

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Response to Rural_Progressive (Reply #55)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:38 AM

69. Biden's administration consists of "brilliant young talent."

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:36 PM

56. I'll vote for Biden regardless

of what any on poll, publication, person, or political pretender is guessing.

Anyways, divinations made months prior tend to harden my resolve and results in more doors knocked this summer to register voters.

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Response to Torchlight (Reply #56)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:07 PM

58. Same here

But only if he runs.

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Response to Torchlight (Reply #56)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 05:28 AM

91. When the primaries happen, I'll vote to the left of Biden, as I always have done

and I'll vote for the Dem nominee in the general, as I always have done

But I don't think any candidate can get voters under 40 unless they're pretty visibly fiery about wage stagnation and the unaffordable housing crisis. Biden has been pretty absent on these issues. Yes of course he can't wave a magic wand - but he absolutely needs to at least act like he's fighting.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:50 PM

61. Both Trump and Biden

are old.

It is time to bring back some young blood back to the leadership of the US.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:59 PM

62. Who? Remember they gotta be 35 years old or older.

Btw seems to me Biden is both physically and mentally ‘younger’ than a lot of men and women in their fifties and 60’s.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #62)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:52 PM

64. That's something that

will have to be figured out.

Biden's support among Democrats, according to polls, has been slipping. Eventually it will get to the point that his re-election candidacy is unsustainable.

Despite Trump being a complete and unmitigated asshole, his support among Republicans remains strong. His only real threat is DeSatan.

DeSatan, IMO, is scarier that Trump.

Trump is/was a grifter. Deep down he didn't believe half the shit coming out of his mouth. I believe that DeSatan, OTOH, honestly and truly believes what he is saying and believes he is 100% right.

This election will be key to the long term health of the US and the Democratic party cannot stay blindly loyal to sitting president but rather must be constantly shuffling its hand to find the best candidate with the best chance to retain the presidency.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:56 PM

65. I agree with half of that.

I don't want tRump to run again, except for the border with cops after him. If Joe Biden runs in 2024, I will vote for him.

Wolf

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:44 AM

70. Ugh, people went on and on and on and on about Hillary not being likable enough to be president,

Al Gore, John Kerry being too nerdy or whatever. Now there's Biden, one of the most "likable" people on the planet and are they satisfied? No, of course not. Now suddenly likable isn't a thing. Democrats have to be perfect.

Also, what's with the "Democrats have to come up with new ideas" thing. Anyone who says this doesn't know Democrats, probably uses the word "neoliberal" to describe them.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 04:33 AM

72. People assume politicians have more power than they actually do.

No POTUS can instantly lower gas prices, lower food costs, feed all the hungry and house all the homeless overnight.

TFG was voted in because the previous administration seemed hogtied and incompetent, Trump was going to fix everything overnight.

Well, he said he would, anyway. Those that believed him and voted for him, how did that turn out people?

Now the same thinking is turning people against Biden.

No instant fixes. Not from TFG, not from Biden, not from the next POTUS if he/she isn't TFG or Biden.

Politicians can promise you anything. Words are cheap.

But you are a mug if you believe they will be able to deliver on their promises overnight.

Some can deliver part of their promises, if given enough time. Pick carefully when you vote - a lot is at stake.


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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:54 AM

74. This is 2 1/2 years

away and who knows.... But, Democrats have won the popular vote for President in seven of the last eight elections, the only miss being Shrubs second term, when he should never have had the first one. We all know what and who the problem is.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:06 PM

88. Maybe they'll get their wish

Imagine if it's Harris vs. DeSantis. Who wins?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2022, 11:34 PM

90. 1500 people on a Yahoo poll. SERIOUSLY?? n/t

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Response to imavoter (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 03:52 PM

102. 1500 is a statistically valid sample

and more than some polls.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 05:34 AM

92. Love Biden.They didn't poll me.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 07:36 AM

95. If the question was if you wanted someone to beat the orange motherfucker

The numbers would support whoever ran against and could beat the orange motherfucker. Overwhelmingly. If that person is Biden, then voila. Biden would get the support.

Incumbent presidents always get lousy support when the economy is bad.

But look, it's a long time between now and 2024 and a LOT of shit is happening. Maybe the economy improves by then and the poll numbers reverse. Maybe the orange motherfucker is in prison by then and won't run. Maybe the GOP can't put forth a viable candidate. A lot of things could change by then.

Polls mean nothing this far out, especially with so many things so variable.

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Response to Novara (Reply #95)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 12:30 PM

98. Not according to two recent polls

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 09:15 AM

96. Would the folks saying they don't believe the poll

be rec'ing it if the results were favorable?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 10:31 AM

97. 1, 541 people are "most people."

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 06:59 PM

103. You mean THIS Newsweek???


"Alex Shephard writes in the latest issue of The New Republic that something odd has happened to Newsweek. It has become an outlet for rightwing advocacy. The Newsweek story has been covered by many media outlets over the past several years, but I had not seen those stories and had no idea about what happened to this once iconic magazine.

For half a century, Newsweek was owned by the Washington Post and was a well-respected voice in American journalism. In 2010, the Post sold Newsweek to 91-year-old businessman Sidney Harman; Harman bought it for $1 and assumption of its liabilities. Ownership turned over a few more times, from Harman to Barry Diller. Diller regretted his purchase and sold Newsweek in 2014 to a group called International Business Times Media. IBTM changed its name to Newsweek Media Group. Its owners were tied to a small Christian college (Olivet University) led by a charismatic Korean pastor, David Jang. Jang also was founder of a cult called “The Community,” according to this report in Mother Jones.

In 2018, the offices of Newsweek were raided by federal agents investigating a money-laundering operation between the publication, the cult, and the college. A few weeks later, the Washington Post reported that the editorial staff at Newsweek had descended into “chaos” when two of its top editors and a journalist were abruptly fired: they were writing an investigative report about ties between Newsweek and its owners. Despite the firings, a group of staff journalists continued reporting on the company’s finances. Late Tuesday night, their exposé was published, revealing a deep financial relationship between the parent company and a small Christian school, Olivet University."

https://dianeravitch.net/2020/10/25/the-new-republic-newsweek-has-turned-into-a-zombie-magazine/amp/


My, what short memories we have.

The GOP relies on it.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2022, 09:30 AM

105. These polls are meaningless

Presidents always poll low in their first term because they're getting things done which ruffles some feathers. Incumbents are incredibly hard to beat. Since 1980 only 2 have lost and Bush 1 lost to a master politician in Bill Clinton. Trump was the worst President in our nation's history, and he still came fairly close to winning a 2nd term.

Biden will be a large favorite for a 2nd term if he runs again no matter who the opponent.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2022, 01:02 PM

106. Newsweek polls cannot be trusted.

They have a right-wing agenda.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Thu Jul 7, 2022, 03:47 PM

109. I want mayor Pete!

Younger, more vigorous, charismatic

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:13 PM

111. Not sure why so many don't believe this

Biden and Trump both have approval ratings that range from the high 30's (Biden) to low 40's (Trump). It sucks that Biden is getting the blame for Trump's mess, but it's a sad reality.

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