Most Americans Don't Want Biden or Trump to Run Again: Poll

Agreed,but I'd still like to see a Harris/Biden ticket in '22.

Anyone believe this?

The country voted more against Trump than for Biden last time, at least that is how I see it.

And I fear that it’s going to be a terrible result next time if neither party can bring new ideas and new candidates to the ticket. If it becomes a re-run of 2020, it’s going to turn off a lot of voters.

even if that's not a popular position on the DU.

Gore won the popular vote against bush. Hillary won the popular vote against trump, and that imbalance has been occurring more and more frequently.

In fact if it wasn't for that jackass Comey, and the media, falsely reporting that the email investigation was reoopened, which was a lie, Hillary would have won both the popular vote and the electoral college.

As far as the view that neither party has new ideas, that is also nonesense.

The new ideas are coming from Democrats, not republicans.

The only party who has been pushing new ideas is the Democratic party. The republican party wants to roll back women's rights, civil rights, workers rights, environmental rights, healthcare rights, etc. etc. etc.

The republican party has had decades to come up with a healthcare plan, and they couldn't come up with one.

Like Social Security and Medicare, it was because of the DEMOCRATS, not the republicans.

With a 50-50 Senate, and two Democratic Senators blocking most of the new ideas and prograns pushed by Democrats, it is not accurate to say the Democrats actually control Congress.

Your premise that the only reason Biden won in 2020 was because it was a vote against trump, that is a false premise. The differences between Biden and trump were night and day, and it was those difference why more people voted for Biden over trump.

Trump made no secret when he ran that he was a racist, sexist, and bigot.

and when he won in 2016, it was pretty obvious what he stood for, enriching his own pockets using the power of the presidency.

They can't see the forest through the trees.

Who were legitimately elected in a free and fair election. There's absolutely no way they could be. They're born cheats and liars.

As far as I'm concerned, the true, legitimate presidents since at least 1929 have been Al Smith, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Adlai Stevenson, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, Jimmy Carter, Fritz Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden.

Anyone else who usurped the title of President of the United States was an anti-president and thus illegitimate.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

"Direction of the Country"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

...and specifically, Job Approval on the Economy"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_biden_job_approval_economy-7321.html

Even when you throw out the FOX polls, it's is not good at the moment.

are indeed ugly and alarming. Some of it is macro economics, far beyond Biden's control, but many a sitting president has paid a price for poor timing, no fault of his own.

Sad to say.

There's all kinds of media out there who do nothing but tear down Joe Biden. Everything he does is a disaster, he's feeble, the criticism never stops. All that negativity is having their desired effect on the public. They think Biden is a problem, and they're blaming everything on him. We need to turn the tide in a big way.

From what I read, the basic model most of these pollsters use is that they interview older, white, right-leaning folks who live in the upper Eastern part of the country who mostly use landlines. And even when they interview younger or people of color, that skews the polling even further right. Look at the cross-taps of the polling. Polling sample numbers. Age of those polled. The sex of those polled. The MOE to see if it's too high, and how many people were polled. Sometimes, I look at the MOE of these polls and it a +/-5.3 MOE.

That includes a lot of years with a land line AND a cell phone.

Given the state of pocket book issues like inflation. People vote primarily based on their financial wellbeing, present company excluded.

Even if a poll isn't 100% accurate, they generally point to a trend. There's good data that people are unhappy with Biden as President, and there was excellent data that people were unhappy with Trump as President.

Are generally not even worth the paper they're printed on.

I, for one, will be voting for Joe Biden in 2024.

bull shit poll

Joe's got 24 months to get it done.

I have faith, but it's going to be a hell of a lot harder if the Nazi party makes gains in Congress come November.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216798636

Best GOTV links and actions page on DU.

When nobody cares, care like crazy and get them voters to vote.

Hell no! More propaganda. No telling where it’s coming from.

We're only allowed to post about how well Democrats are going to do in November and in 2024, how TFG and his cronies will all be held accountable, and how strict gun control measures are going to be enacted soon.

if I go to Kos, it's all about how everything is Dems fault. Come here, it's all sunshine and puppies.

Something in the middle would be nice, but there really isn't that option. Each has it's own strengths and pros though obviously.

Jesus phoned me a couple of hours ago, said he'd be Coming Back this September.

nt

I will wait for something far broader before I panic. It's not like the country would prefer to see Nina Turner vs. Ted Cruz.

rightwing editorials from falsely saying Kamala Harris cannot be VP because she does not meet the citizenship requirements, to how a presidential election could overturn the will of the people. Not surprisingly, both editorials were by John Eastman.

https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions-kamala-harris-about-eligibility-opinion-1524483

This needs spreading. Thanks.

They are not, understandably, known over here at all, and I don't know every polling outfit in North America, or whether not they enjoy widespread credibility.

You’re in two threads acting as if it’s a garbage poll due to the sole fact that you have never heard of it.

If I spent my time using Google for everything mentioned that I've never heard of, I'd be glued to my computer, and devoid of a life outside. I still work for a living, and have a private life to boot. I'm sure I mention plenty of things that seem obscure to others that are commonplace to me. Somehow, most people survive it without firing off a salvo.

It took me about 30 seconds to find that out.

they poll who will pick up the phone & talk to them ! they ask question's like if your a voter ! how the hell they know you are & not ? I'M going to take word of poll's ------ NOT !

Bernie, Pence, Hillary, DeSantis, Noem, Haley, Gabbard, Manchin, Sinema, Yang.

Doubt she will though.

Polls like this are designed to generate negative "News". I don't think this should even be up on DU.
Newsweek crossed over to the dark side around 2018, and has become a mouthpiece for the loony right.




--Alex Shephard/August 18, 2020
https://newrepublic.com/article/158968/newsweek-rise-zombie-magazine

caused and that the same Republicans have stonewalled him and the Democrats on trying to clean it up because the Republicans are counting on using it against the Democrats?

It's why I 100% believe this poll. You can set you're watch by the stupidity and fickleness of the American public.

1976 - Carter inherits the general distrust of government left by Nixon. Not to mention gas lines (which didn't start with Carter) and he gets the blame and we end up with "mourning in america."

1992/1994 - Clinton gets elected after 12 years of Reaganomics, scandals, and a general mess (most people don't remember how bad things were at the end of Reagan's Administration with Iran-Contra, the S&Ls, etc.). But, in 2 years, we get the Contract with America Gingrich nightmare. Reagan/Bush left a disaster and Clinton didn't get it all cleaned up in 2 years (which was impossible, and the sitting president got blamed).

2008/2010 - Obama inherits total chaos (in fact, the 2006 Dems inherited chaos and started to work on it but it was monumental) and within 3 months we have the Tea Party and Obama gets blamed for not fixing everything in 2 years. People like to blame ObamaCare but the Tea Party nonsense happened almost immediately after his election...they didn't even know where all the white house bathrooms were yet.

2020/2022 - Trump runs one of the most incompetent, disastrous, corrupt, unbelievable administrations in the history of the developed world and the inevitable fallout hits Biden. Based on the other three examples, we know what is going to happen next...


There are so many centrists and moderates who don't pay attention to what got them to a particular state and they just knee-jerk blame the person in office. So they either vote against the incumbent without thinking or don't show up. Republicans consistently leave a giant mess that will take a long time to clean and with the pathetic attention span of most Americans, the Dems get all the blame for something they had little to do with. Not to mention the social conservatives usually find something to scare everyone about that isn't a thing and you get a mid-term bloodbath. Dems could help immensely with better messaging but they've never been good at that in my lifetime. The media is also rarely helpful as they also have, collectively, the attention span of a gnat and tend to just ask why everything isn't great in America when they know damn well why.

So, this poll is real. The facts that got us here, unfortunately, will mean nothing to many voters.

By then we’ll have a true majority in both Houses, the infrastructure will be getting built and Ukraine will be in EU.

The 2024 election cycle will begin moments after we hear the results of November’s elections and will be influenced by the perceptions (read “the blame game”) that proceed from it.

The president won’t be able to put off a decision long enough for the economy to recover because other democrats (potentially a few in his own administration) can’t afford to let others jump ahead in the process.

Although I have thought from the beginning that Biden wouldnt run again. He alluded to it during the campaign. But it would be foolish for him to say it NOW.
But some major infrastructure projects SHOULD be underway by then.

We're going to lose at least the House in 2022. There's no way to get it back before the 2024 election.

And that’s a big assumption, it just sucks.

Too many don't care about representative government and are willing to hand it over to truly awful people.

Joe is 9-10 points worse than Trump? That is utterly insane.

In facing circumstances beyond his control, Joe has done a pretty good job.
He hasn't lied his head off every day like Trump did 38,000 times in four years.
He isn't suspected of committing a long list of crimes while treason is at or near the top of Trump's alleged crimes.

90% of US media is controlled by 6 entities. They all want to hang on to their tax breaks.

Without an honest media to arbitrate and truthfully inform, US Democracy is broken.

If you don’t have the necessities, you cannot look at the larger picture.

But compare the juicy dirt of Trump to Biden.
Trump has volumes more.

But 'fair and balanced' by the media owned by the American oligarchs has Biden being bashed as much or more to drive his numbers lower than Trump's.

Biden ought to look like a saint compared to Trump. But he won't because the American oligarchs deem it to be that way with their control of the media.

Biden will be over 80 years old. Trump isn't that far behind Biden in age either. We need someone that isn't
of Medicare age to run.

Many Americans think trump is POTUS, while the majority of Americans know Biden is POTUS.

The majority of the largest minority party think trump is POTUS. The majority of the largest majority party know Biden is POTUS.

This poll was created by a profit making business to assist a profit making enterprise make a profit.

Imho

including the ones DUers hold up as signs of victory.

Biden did his job and got Trump out of office. It is time to get new ideas into office. You can say its wrong but if you cant run for president until you are 35 you shouldn't be allowed after you are 65.

Hopefully AOC runs if Biden decides not to.

65 is too young to say you shouldn't be allowed to run. How old are you?

so do you think there shouldnt be a cut off or what do you think it should be? 67?

We are looking at the hardest/most pressure job in the world. I think it should be a younger persons game because of the demand.

Or there should be no age requirement. Let someone 25 run if they want. But if you say you dont have enough experience until 35 then I say you have too much at 70. Too set in your ways and too out of touch with the majority of Americans. I mean how does someone in the 70's relate to the issues kids graduating HS and going off to college?

I think Obama was the perfect age when he was first elected. Dont get me wrong I like Biden and think he is doing a decent job. But no matter who he runs against his age will be a serious issue and really it should be


I will admit I wanted Pete Buttigieg before he dropped out.

and the entire party had to come together so Bernie wouldnt win. Biden needed everyone to drop out and endorse him.

So it must be true. Interesting to see you still promoting the propaganda that helped put Trump in the White House.

Bernie lost twice. He couldn't get his supporters to the polls, twice.

did we all forget the nomination primary? Bernie running away with it. The countless articles the Dems are in full panic. All the party officials meeting with Pete Buttigieg & Amy Klobuchar among others to drop out and indorse Biden.

Look, I happily voted for Biden. But I'm not going to pretend the party didn't step in and help him get elected when Bernie looked like he was going to win the nomination.

where black people vote. He won a couple of small, white states. That's not running away with it. The excuses got very ugly at that point. I saw a lot that I will never unsee, and I remember well.

There was no announcement that she is running for president or anything to do with the OP. It's just her lamenting that she's not being afforded the same privileges as other congressmen, being denied even the bare minimum of what even prisoners get.

This isn't right.

This appears to be a video blog early in AOC's first term. AOC here seems to just want to be quirky & chill to show people that she is just like everyone else. Her intended audience for these are the college age folks who enjoy vlogs or livestreams or any young adult just starting their adult life.

On topic she has done & said a lot of stupid things throughout her career that will definitely hurt her chances to run for anything higher than her current position.Sonno chance for a Presidential run down the line. I doubt she even wants to be President though. It doesn't help that she has the news & overly critical people on all sides who take things she does or says out of context and amplifies any mistake she makes. I mean like with nothing burgers like this video people some people are upset at her.

Why do you imply the Dem party denied her furnishings?

Especially for freshmen.

I readily admit that I could be mistaken.

I wasn't blaming the Party, except maybe to the extent that I mistakenly believed either the Congress or the Party had some obligation to help AOC, one of the most popular Democrats even as a freshman, at least furnish her digs.

Moving on....

There is no evidence she could be elected state wide, let alone nation wide. That's she's your favorite does not make her a strong candidate.

And apparently took place on Yahoo? Yeah, I'm not taking it seriously.

100%

and no, I don't want to hear about inflation, so don't even start.

Right-Wing Rag. The media want to blame President Biden for the current state of financial affairs in this country. I can't. President Biden came into office with a hell of a job before him in cleaning out the trump scum embedded in all levels of government. Still cleaning the trump faeces from the toilets I'm sure. If d.trump has taken foreign affairs more seriously instead of accepting guidance from Jarad and Ivanka we would not have had the repair job with allies President Biden faced. With help from his still BFF Putin about Ukraine instead of trying to leverage weapons for political points, maybe just maybe President Zelensky could have been better prepared for the invasion Putin planned all along. I just hope there are enough Americans who overwhelmingly want to save our form of government in the upcoming elections.

To hell with Newsweek polls!!!

An online poll is usually pretty useless. Newsweek has turned to the dark side and can't be trusted.

OK, that said, Dems have got to do more.

Biden has the power to guarantee that 42 million Americans vote for him. (that's my figures based on actual voters and student loan holders) By forgiving student loan interest, then promising more higher education assistance, it will gurantee Dems those 42 million votes.

He has said he would help students but he really hasn't done much. Mostly Congress has been doing the heavy lifting which has now been stopped because GOPers are afraid they will lose their crazy vote.

What I'm saying is yeah he got voted in by saying he was going to forgive some student debt but he still hasn't done anything substantial. Now, the student loan holders (1 in 5 Americans) don't believe him anymore. He has got to do something showy and that something has to be big if he wants those student loan holders to vote for him again.

If Trump or GOPers thought they could win the elections by forgiving student debt, they would do it without a 2nd thought. The GOP did do it for campaign contributions and influence from the filthy rich with the huge tax cuts. They bought the filthy rich's influence and contributions by forgiving them their taxes.

I guarantee you the next GOPer to win an election for president will offer student loan forgiveness. If the Dems don't do it now, the GOPers will. They will use it as a campaign promise and they will get 42 million votes out of it. The Dems need to pull that rug out from under Trump and GOPers by getting Biden to go big and forgive student loan interest. If they don't, they are going to lose a big block of voters.

Outside of the GOP, Trump is considered to have been a poor President.

Biden is occupying the Oval Office during a period of high inflation and falling stock market-- historically high inflation has been poison to electability in the USA. It hurt Carter in 1980 and even Reagan in 1983 was at 35% favorability, before Paul Volcker's efforts at the Fed broke the back of stagflation, allowing Reagan to bounce back in 1984.

Everything will depend on the economy. The Fed has already stated taking strong medicine. The Chinese actions on Covid zero tolerance which affect the supply chain are not in US control. Higher oil prices partially result from the Ukraine war sanctions. Biden can help them win by sending more/better weapons.

Only 1,541 out of about 240 million people.

error. Political campaigns have been using polling for years; the Nielsen ratings that determine the viewership for television programs are based on statistical sampling.

Not all polls provide what the people feel. Not all polls are conducted by phone. Not all people have computers or landlines.

Any poll at this time is too damn early.

they could get something published.

I thought Biden running for POTUS was intended to accomplish two things. First, obviously, to defeat TFG. Second, to act as a bridge, transitioning from the old guard and bringing the new, and in many cases, brilliant young talent in the Democratic Party into leadership positions. At some point my generation (I'll be 70 in a couple of months) has to let go of the reins and let the people who are inheriting the mess we're leaving them take control and make the changes necessary for them to have a shot at the future.

In fact it's time for pretty much everybody from my generation to get out of active leadership roles and move on to the job of elders offering wise and sage advice based on years of experience. Most of us are out of touch with the younger generations and those who have spent decades in the beltway are pretty much out of touch with the rest of the nation as well.

Time to change the guard folks, the young folk are going to have to live with what's coming it's only right that they should get to make the decisions that will help them navigate through the rough waters ahead.

of what any on poll, publication, person, or political pretender is guessing.

Anyways, divinations made months prior tend to harden my resolve and results in more doors knocked this summer to register voters.

But only if he runs.

and I'll vote for the Dem nominee in the general, as I always have done

But I don't think any candidate can get voters under 40 unless they're pretty visibly fiery about wage stagnation and the unaffordable housing crisis. Biden has been pretty absent on these issues. Yes of course he can't wave a magic wand - but he absolutely needs to at least act like he's fighting.

are old.

It is time to bring back some young blood back to the leadership of the US.

Btw seems to me Biden is both physically and mentally ‘younger’ than a lot of men and women in their fifties and 60’s.

will have to be figured out.

Biden's support among Democrats, according to polls, has been slipping. Eventually it will get to the point that his re-election candidacy is unsustainable.

Despite Trump being a complete and unmitigated asshole, his support among Republicans remains strong. His only real threat is DeSatan.

DeSatan, IMO, is scarier that Trump.

Trump is/was a grifter. Deep down he didn't believe half the shit coming out of his mouth. I believe that DeSatan, OTOH, honestly and truly believes what he is saying and believes he is 100% right.

This election will be key to the long term health of the US and the Democratic party cannot stay blindly loyal to sitting president but rather must be constantly shuffling its hand to find the best candidate with the best chance to retain the presidency.

I don't want tRump to run again, except for the border with cops after him. If Joe Biden runs in 2024, I will vote for him.

Wolf

Al Gore, John Kerry being too nerdy or whatever. Now there's Biden, one of the most "likable" people on the planet and are they satisfied? No, of course not. Now suddenly likable isn't a thing. Democrats have to be perfect.

Also, what's with the "Democrats have to come up with new ideas" thing. Anyone who says this doesn't know Democrats, probably uses the word "neoliberal" to describe them.

No POTUS can instantly lower gas prices, lower food costs, feed all the hungry and house all the homeless overnight.

TFG was voted in because the previous administration seemed hogtied and incompetent, Trump was going to fix everything overnight.

Well, he said he would, anyway. Those that believed him and voted for him, how did that turn out people?

Now the same thinking is turning people against Biden.

No instant fixes. Not from TFG, not from Biden, not from the next POTUS if he/she isn't TFG or Biden.

Politicians can promise you anything. Words are cheap.

But you are a mug if you believe they will be able to deliver on their promises overnight.

Some can deliver part of their promises, if given enough time. Pick carefully when you vote - a lot is at stake.

away and who knows.... But, Democrats have won the popular vote for President in seven of the last eight elections, the only miss being Shrubs second term, when he should never have had the first one. We all know what and who the problem is.

Imagine if it's Harris vs. DeSantis. Who wins?

and more than some polls.

The numbers would support whoever ran against and could beat the orange motherfucker. Overwhelmingly. If that person is Biden, then voila. Biden would get the support.

Incumbent presidents always get lousy support when the economy is bad.

But look, it's a long time between now and 2024 and a LOT of shit is happening. Maybe the economy improves by then and the poll numbers reverse. Maybe the orange motherfucker is in prison by then and won't run. Maybe the GOP can't put forth a viable candidate. A lot of things could change by then.

Polls mean nothing this far out, especially with so many things so variable.

They are July 1st and 2nd.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

be rec'ing it if the results were favorable?

"Alex Shephard writes in the latest issue of The New Republic that something odd has happened to Newsweek. It has become an outlet for rightwing advocacy. The Newsweek story has been covered by many media outlets over the past several years, but I had not seen those stories and had no idea about what happened to this once iconic magazine.

For half a century, Newsweek was owned by the Washington Post and was a well-respected voice in American journalism. In 2010, the Post sold Newsweek to 91-year-old businessman Sidney Harman; Harman bought it for $1 and assumption of its liabilities. Ownership turned over a few more times, from Harman to Barry Diller. Diller regretted his purchase and sold Newsweek in 2014 to a group called International Business Times Media. IBTM changed its name to Newsweek Media Group. Its owners were tied to a small Christian college (Olivet University) led by a charismatic Korean pastor, David Jang. Jang also was founder of a cult called “The Community,” according to this report in Mother Jones.

In 2018, the offices of Newsweek were raided by federal agents investigating a money-laundering operation between the publication, the cult, and the college. A few weeks later, the Washington Post reported that the editorial staff at Newsweek had descended into “chaos” when two of its top editors and a journalist were abruptly fired: they were writing an investigative report about ties between Newsweek and its owners. Despite the firings, a group of staff journalists continued reporting on the company’s finances. Late Tuesday night, their exposé was published, revealing a deep financial relationship between the parent company and a small Christian school, Olivet University."

https://dianeravitch.net/2020/10/25/the-new-republic-newsweek-has-turned-into-a-zombie-magazine/amp/


My, what short memories we have.

The GOP relies on it.

Presidents always poll low in their first term because they're getting things done which ruffles some feathers. Incumbents are incredibly hard to beat. Since 1980 only 2 have lost and Bush 1 lost to a master politician in Bill Clinton. Trump was the worst President in our nation's history, and he still came fairly close to winning a 2nd term.

Biden will be a large favorite for a 2nd term if he runs again no matter who the opponent.

They have a right-wing agenda.

Younger, more vigorous, charismatic

Biden and Trump both have approval ratings that range from the high 30's (Biden) to low 40's (Trump). It sucks that Biden is getting the blame for Trump's mess, but it's a sad reality.