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Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:28 PM

Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum

Source: Newsweek

Texas Republicans are pushing for a referendum to decide whether the state should secede from the U.S.

The demand for Texans to be allowed to vote on the issue in 2023 was one of many measures adopted in the Texas GOP's party platform following last week's state convention in Houston.

Under a section titled "State Sovereignty," the platform states: "Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified.

"Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto."

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/texas-secede-us-2023-gop-pushes-referendum-1717254?amp=1



I know they keep promising to shoot themselves in their big boots - State is getting to be more of a pain-in-the-ass than it's worth. Hell, let the other 49 vote if they want to keep it would be my answer.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:29 PM

1. I think they should. Would be interesting.

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Response to Srkdqltr (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:44 PM

127. Tesla would become an imported car. Increase Tariffs to 50%. Ban commerce as a Terrorist Country.

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Texas can have Russia and China as their trading partners.

But this is just an exercise in academia, as states are allowed to join the Union but not exit from it.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #127)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:00 PM

137. We can work with that.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #127)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:43 PM

155. Remove all Federal property from the State

Along with all Federal jobs. Ft. Hood, Ft. Bliss, Ft. Sam come immediately to mind, along with the Johnson Space Center and who knows what else. Let them coin their own money and set up their own Gooberment (which is what it would be) and see how they like it when there's no Federal teat to pump money after the next hurricane/wildfire/flood what have you.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #155)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:02 PM

165. I know CA, NJ & NY would live to stop funding socialist takers who are ungrateful.

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With the found money we can perfect our own infrastructure.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #155)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:52 PM

195. I totally agree.

REALLY enjoy the thought of all federal money/programs being yanked. But let's not stop there. Driving out of state? You get to pay major tolls to drive on US roads, as well as a passport to enter the country. And no...you can't bring in your gun. I'm also thinking a nice wall around the state would be called for to keep those loony tunes in place. I'll bet Mexico would be willing to pay for whatever has to be built on their border. And let's see them try to finance their own military. Oh, I'm sure their gun humpers will show up en masse, and try to threaten, oh I don't know...Louisianna? And then run like the sniveling little bitches they are when someone actually shoots back.

Let 'em go. They're a drag on this country. Let's see what happens when their power grid fails again when it snows. Maybe Ted can get them fixed up with a nice hotel in Cancun.

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #195)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:17 AM

197. We'd be rid of Ted Cruz! Only States can have 2 senators, so buh-bye Teddy!

I think it's a GREAT idea to get rid of Texas.

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Response to BComplex (Reply #197)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:32 AM

209. Damn! Forgot about that part!

We'd get rid of Cruz and Cornyn! A two-fer and totally worth it. I'm figuring the decent Texans like Beto and Jim Hightower will get the hell out of there, so they'll also get to experience a "brain drain" that hasn't been seen since 1930's Germany. Then since the only ones left will be MAGAts, and no one will ever be pure enough, they should start turning on each other in a couple of years.

Let's get this going!!

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #155)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:32 AM

212. Require Texans to get a passport to travel to other states,

since Texas would no longer be part of the United States of America.



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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #127)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:44 PM

156. Ban commerce?

You do realize they are the largest US oil producer by far?
Texas is by far the largest oil-producing state in the United States. In 2021, Texas produced a total of 1.7 billion barrels. In a distant second place is New Mexico, which produced 459.8 million barrels in the same year.

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #156)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:00 PM

163. A producer, not top crude oil sourcer. How did US allow centralized refineries as stragetic risk.

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Build new, modernize or expand existing refineries in other states. Divert oil imports to them.

Texas can fight with Russia who their clients are.

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Response to Srkdqltr (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:12 AM

208. i would support their decision to leave

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:30 PM

2. Please proceed. Assholes.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:06 PM

140. If this works, don't do a Russia. Move all of the military and nukes out first!

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:46 PM

175. absofuckinglutely....

BYE....do let the door hit you in your Repuke azzes on the way out

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:31 PM

3. Good Riddance!

We can only hope...

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Response to Desert grandma (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:57 PM

135. no no no!!! Don't say that please

Hey I live in Texas. I've never voted fpr a Republican, and I'm 75 and ALWAYS vote. Not everyone in Texas is a whack-a-doodle racist hater nut-job. We're getting close ton turning Texas blue. Help us elect Beto for gov. Send his campaign a few bucks.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #135)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:22 PM

145. Really! I'm with you.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #135)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:25 PM

149. Vote , Texas! I'm in SC, not much better.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #135)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:30 PM

173. Not to worry.

Texas isn’t going anywhere.

A US citizen can’t have his citizenship taken from him against his will absent due process.

Secession is un-Constitutional; no state has the authority to ‘secede’ – through state legislative action or referendum.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #135)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:58 PM

188. It's just bullshit to get the base going

So they can stick it to the man come elections

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Response to vlyons (Reply #135)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:11 AM

207. Okay

But face it...there aren't enough people like you to make a difference in the long term!

And this dream about turning Texas "blue" is just that, a dream!

I know it's just my opinion...but there's a lot of evidence to support it...



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Response to vlyons (Reply #135)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 02:38 PM

219. "We're getting close ton turning Texas blue."

No, you're not. You're dragging this nation down.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:32 PM

4. Can we build a border wall?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:28 PM

64. ROFL!

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:23 PM

179. Best reply ever

Love it!!!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:32 PM

5. What a joke.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:33 PM

6. Houston, we have a problem...n/t

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:22 PM

56. Speaking of Houston, NASA's Johnson Space Center would have to pull out.

The Army, Air Force and Navy have 16 installations in Texas; San Antonio would be hard hit if the Air Force packed up.
The Coast Guard has 9 stations there.

That's a lot of people spending a lot of money.

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:22 PM

147. No, Houston does not have a problem.

This will never happen. Ever. I will bet folding money on this.

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Response to TxGuitar (Reply #147)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 03:03 PM

227. It's a DU wet dream! It's a GOP slogan

It fires up their base, but they aren't going anywhere. They just like to say " secede", but don't mean it. It's nothing but swagger. All hat and no cattle.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:33 PM

7. Good fucking riddance

I'll give them 5 years and they will be a 3rd world Theocracy

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Response to Maine Abu El Banat (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:42 PM

18. Won't take 5 years.

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Response to Maine Abu El Banat (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:43 PM

21. Of course

They won't like what they get.

Maybe we should build a wall around Texas. If any of them try to climb over they get arrested, separated from their children and sent to cages.

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:09 PM

42. Allow Democratic voters to claim political refugee status...

Let the Christaliban pay for their own 'socialist' relief funds from devastating hurricanes, sea-level rises, and lasting floodings... and their own military...

I'm all for it. The sooner the better.

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:56 PM

87. And then start a campaign to make trump president of Texas...Wow, that would be the icing on

the cake...

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #87)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:56 PM

134. Hey, don't go giving anybody ideas!

As for Texas, well, if you folks REALLY wanna leave, I certainly won’t stand in your way.

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:43 PM

125. Yeah, sad but true. n/t

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:33 PM

8. Good riddance but we need to demand they pay for a border wall on their northern border.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:34 PM

9. If TX leaves ("Texit"?), and as a result the Dems take over the government,

TX won't care because they won't be part of the US any more. So would other GOP states then leave to merge with TX?

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:31 PM

69. "Texit"

First thing I thought of when I clicked on and read the OP!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #69)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:17 PM

109. Good one

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Response to YoshidaYui (Reply #109)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:34 PM

121. I did see this recently too





(one of my BIL's brother lives in TX so I tease him)

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:07 PM

101. If they decide that is their platform, I wonder Texas will see what we saw in Quebec years ago

when they kept ramping up their threats to leave Canada. Many of the large companies that had head offices in Montreal quietly moved their head offices out to Toronto. It was never going to happen because they could not survive on their own but they lost a lot of business because of it.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:37 PM

10. I believe they actually did that once before

The results were not encouraging for the secessionists, but perhaps they should give it another shot. What's that saying about doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result?

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:00 PM

162. I'm sure Mexico is worried about this.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:37 PM

11. They will lose a hell of a lot if this happens.

Texas would become a third world country and would probably reach "hostile nation" status if they were to actually do this. Fox's policies are getting idiots elected and as long as Rupert Murdoch is pulling Texas' strings, this new nation state will be doomed to fail from the start.

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Response to Initech (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:43 PM

75. But they will be a third-world country

with some great BBQ joints.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #75)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:44 PM

76. That's assuming they have the power needed to cook the food!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:38 PM

12. Why wait?

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:40 PM

74. +1 !!!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:38 PM

13. Like northern California and other semi brainless states Texas cannot actually secede without

permission from Congress. It turns out that all of the land between our national borders is held in trust by Congress on behalf of ALL of the citizens of the United States of America. No single state or township may separate itself from this whole union. Check the Constitution.

The threat by Texas GOP loonies is hollow and their leadership knew that going in.

Someone once calculated what the cost would be to settle debts to the US government if Texas were actually able to secede, along with services Texas would then need to pay for on its own. I cannot find the numbers but the amounts were staggering even by Texas standards.

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Response to traitorsgalore (Reply #182)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:38 PM

185. The US Constitution makes clear that they may not leave the union.

Congress could approve such a departure but it won't for obvious reasons. Texas ignoring the Constitution and federal authority will beget an entirely phenomenal level of legal and financial grief. During the 1950's and 1960's southern states fought federal oversight many times and lost every single case. It would be a mistake to assume that they could hold out now. Among other things they don't own all of the land in Texas, nor all of the mineral rights. Along with that detail there is the matter of Federal tax money spent in Texas for Texan citizens. Texas receives far more tax benefit than it pays in.

Unless we are willing to allow Texas to flaunt every federal law and agency oversight they cannot Secede no matter how the GOP rigs the plebiscite. That US citizens would be denied the right to representation in Congress is reason enough that it cannot happen.

Unless you foresee some way that everyone who voted against such a proposal were to leave the state...

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:38 PM

14. Please hurry!

And take Elon Musk with you.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:39 PM

15. A totally meaningless exercise just to give The MAGA an orgasm. A state can't unilaterally secede.

Abbott is still trying to out-MAGA desantis.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:56 PM

86. Doofus Rick Perry tried that a few years ago - siding w that wild faction of Texan secessionists

went nowhere & this won't either.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:40 PM

16. If Texas secedes, then slam the border shut

Immediately shut down all commerce, all highways, all air traffic. Cut all phone, internet, power and cable connections between them and the US. Station military guards at the border and immediately bring construction equipment to tear out buffer strips so that traffic along what used to be the "Interstae" system no longer can be sustained. Enforce maritime borders in the Gulf of Mexico.

No food, no water, no spare parts or any other materials to be sent into that former state.

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Response to Otto_Harper (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:19 PM

50. This!!

yet I feel for the Democrats trapped in this dysfunctional state. Offer homes elsewhere. Low interest, costs commensurate with the housing cost they are paying? Evil republikkkans would hunt them down if traped...we must find ways to look out for our own if Abbott and his coterie of evil leaders follow through

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:41 PM

17. Go for it!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:42 PM

19. Quit teasing

if they go let's see if we can get it right this time and just let them go.

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Response to Rural_Progressive (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:47 PM

128. Maybe some idiot thinks that

They can start their civil war this way, encouraging other states to follow them.

I'd rather let them go, and take Florida with them.

But make it so that they would have to forfeit their US citizenship too. No dual citizenship based on birth in the US. The only exception to keeping US citizenship should be those who want to leave Texas at the time of their independence. They would have to renounce Texas citizenship to relocate somewhere else in the US.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #128)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:05 AM

196. Alabama and Mississippi can join them

Minus 8 Republikkan Senators
Add 2 Democratic ones (D.C.)

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:42 PM

20. Because lord knows Texas doesn't need federal money to rebuild after natural

disasters and poor governor decisions.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:00 PM

91. Right

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:45 PM

22. They'd better think long and hard about this.

Texas would stand to lose a hell of lot if they were to actually secede. They would lose military support, 2 senators, 38 electoral votes, medicaid support, Fed support, I could go on and on. The way Fox is pulling Abbott's strings, and the way they treat mass shootings and an energy crisis, Texas would reach third world nation status in a hurry and probably be treated with "hostile nation" status. This is a really, really bad idea. But yeah go ahead, let Hannity, Tucker, and Fox run their own country, see how long that lasts.

On the flip side, we could give DC statehood and we wouldn't have to change flags!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:46 PM

23. I hope these fools realize the costs with this.

Like Brexit, Texas will hit with massive costs to leave the Union? Who will defend them? They will have to pay for military bases, tariffs, travel requirements, etc. Businesses that serve the rest of the US will not be happy with the additional costs. Energy costs. Taxes on residents, and the list goes on. But, it may solve some big problems the US is facing these days. It actually would be beneficial to the US.

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Response to rkleinberger (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:18 PM

49. Oh it will be a clusterfuck, no question.

And I would be willing to bet good money that Fox News is behind this one. They have no solutions. Their only solution is pure chaos.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:47 PM

25. Bye Felicia! You crazy-assed bitch.

If they leave, we'll add Puerto Rico as a state, so we don't have to change our flags.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:47 PM

26. Okay, I can live with that...

Can they live without us?

One problem is that they have a lot of capacity to pollute and they would probably eliminate all regulations allowing for some serious trashing of the biosphere.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:21 PM

54. No they cannot.

What are they going to do for currency? Nothing. What are they going to do for government programs and assistance? Nothing. What are they going to do for fixing their states' own problems like mass shootings and the energy grid crisis? Nothing. They will also lose support of the US military, highways, infrastructure, Congress, the Senate, I could go on and on. And a country that is run by Fox News will reach third world status extremely quickly. I don't think it would be long before their little experiment fails on them, and you know it will.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:47 PM

27. Bye, Felicia.

Hello Puerto Rico!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:49 PM

28. Won't happen. Texas civilian (corporate) command of 14-18 U.S. military bases on 'foreign' soil?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:23 PM

58. The US Military is a BIG employer and surrounding business attraction in Texas after Big Oil.

Imagine having to pay Taxes on income in Texas as well as State Sales Taxes?

Seniors in Texas would lose SS and Medicare, the poorer Texans, Medicaid.

The Texas economy, because of weather, would not be able to sustain itself.

Leaving the US would have serious consequences I doubt Abbott and his minions have not even considered.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #58)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:47 PM

79. Right. Although many military personnel might want to remain and work as part of Big Corps

militias.

You never know about taxes. Texans might be promised a lot of stuff...
-- the benefits of lower taxes over current ones,
-- the benefits of their own pension plans instead of SS and Medicaid,
-- the state's ability to negotiate oil and agriculture exports for water,
-- better care for its citizens better than big gov,

and Texans might just go all in to sacrifice current benefits for positives like passports, foreign trade, their own immigration laws, unorganized militia and corporate militia protections, etc.

I'd doubt they or the U.S. would trust each other as allies, so there'd likely be no trade or mutual defense treaties.

But imagine if, after a big disaster, Mexico proceeded to invade with its military and cartel paramilitaries.
Then what.


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Response to ancianita (Reply #79)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:55 PM

83. Natural Disasters, BABY! You're on your own, Texas.

Good luck in finding tens of BILLIONS to provide after people who have lost everything. Hurricanes. Power outages. Infrastructure rebuilding.

Mexico could invade Texas. It is a BIG state and once a part of Mexico.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:58 PM

89. And the oil refineries and all the companies HQ'd there

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #89)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:01 PM

92. Indeed. It's even got its own lil version of silicon valley.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #92)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:04 PM

98. Galveston has one of the largest oyster beds in US. Not giving that up without a fight!

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #98)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:11 PM

106. I hear ya!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:50 PM

29. Buh bye

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Let them push their extreme bullshit to the max.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:51 PM

30. Also, they went broke last time they were on their own.

Two for two?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:51 PM

31. why wait? let's throw their refuKKKchicken asses out right now!🎉😎🤙

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:52 PM

32. If Texans are stupid enough to Secede ...

then they're stupid enough to suffer the consequences.

All U.S. government facilities, including bases, buildings, National Parks, now belong to them.
All Texans in the military would have to report to a new military structure.
Texas would need to implement a state income tax (which would be a national tax) to pay their own way.
No more money coming from D.C. and they can keep Sen. (Q) Cancun Cruz.

Just to name a few.
Have at it Texans.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:00 PM

36. Not just that, but the DoD would lose a huge chunk of cybercommand, Air Force trainee systems,

army and marine systems.

OR. The U.S. could totally shut down these 14-18 bases and move them elsewhere, but all that would be costly, too, to rebuild.

The secession would take years, just like Brexit.

In the meantime the transition would weaken our continental defenses.

If corporate Texas were to eventually rule, it would be a trade center and a militia center.
And lot of domestic militia terrorism could come out of Texas. Because chaos is profitable.

It would be like Ukraine -- we could invade, bomb the shit out of them, but so many Americans wouldn't want to kill "fellow Americans," the same way some Russians lived in Ukraine.

This would not go well, and just make the whole country more vulnerable to attack.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:35 PM

71. The good thing about bases ...

is that there were base closures that have never been repurposed, so they are still available.
We only have to move equipment to those bases.

But I can honestly say, that our Defense budget is way over bloated anyway, with congress purchasing equipment the military really doesn't want. So we can do for a trimming of the Defense budge anyway.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #71)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:56 PM

85. Maybe. They'd still take years to move out of Texas proper. And repurposing would have to meet

strategic location standards. Texas would remove a big body of water from the southern border, and that means something when it comes to aeronautics, space platform, missile and naval stuff.

Budget bloat obscures all black ops of military intelligence, which extends around the world; it budgets new bases in Burkina Faso and other Africom bases; it handles special ops in tandem with Israel and other allies; it handles preventive maintenance against nuclear dirty bomb and military weapons sales, terrorist groups, etc.

'Bloat' sounds more like a good political talking point, but when one really examines what it takes to be the biggest military on the planet, and protect communications and general assets of the 3rd largest country on the planet, alot of it being cyber, bloat will usually take a back seat when our existence can be threatened by so many countries.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #85)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:16 PM

108. You might not think it is bloated, but there is pork everywhere in the Defense budget. ...

Just about every congressional district has defense money rolling in, so that representatives can claim that they brought in or kept jobs in their district.
We could cut it in half and we could still accomplish what you listed.

I'm all for anything and everything that DOD needs, but I'm also against waste.
I've seen spools of unused fiber optic cables just thrown away because it wasn't the latest technology.
This is just one example.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #108)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:32 PM

118. DoD has more money than it can effectively spend

Worked for DoD and saw it firsthand.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #108)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:32 PM

119. Oh, I do. I remember how the contractors screamed when Obama cut 10% across the board.

I get that politics can lead to pork, and all the right wing warrior culture and white supremacist culture that goes with that, but then again, state politicians are in a position to know military needs in their state, and what the projects are, etc.

No, I don't trust Republicans to help with vets or anything involving numbers, when they can never produce accurate numbers and also lie about both census, covid and everything else.

Maybe it's a stretch, but I look at numbers the way that Nature looks at it -- Nature produces a LOT of seeds per generation, almost all of it wasted, but what is left to carry on fit perfectly to advance evolution. Or how an iceberg actually floats -- the bigger the berg, the farther its underwater base can carry it.

The reason for this is that I've seen what all the neoliberal right wing cheaping out on front end spending does to institutions like the childcare, health, education, the DOJ, the prison system, etc. The more we cheap out on the front end, the worse the outcomes on the back end. Corporations are always trying to talk us into cheaping out on all things human-based, but their projects get the bloat.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:29 PM

117. DoD has plenty of places for these Texas commands

It's not like DoD hasn't been closing and consolidating bases for nearly 30 years.

I'm sure OK would be pitching expanding OKC AFB and depot to absorb some of the AF locations in TX right away.

The bases that border other states can just move a short distance. The Navy and CG have plenty of other options. Kingsville which is a training base can consolidate at Pensacola.

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Response to Deminpenn (Reply #117)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:41 PM

124. It has, but not along the big water regions. There's a whole southern body of water to consider

here, so if the rest of the coastal states can absorb DoD rebuilds, cool. It can't count on FL and LA for the long haul, though, because climate. The DoD was the first governmental body to declare climate change a national security priority.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:27 PM

62. They are really stupid

so anything's possible.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:00 PM

90. We do not have than many Democrats in National Government like Republicans do.

The balance of power could still be in the Democrat's favor in the House and Senate.

I wonder how much Federal monies Texas gets annually.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:23 PM

114. ?? What makes you think that the Federal Gov't is going to turn over bases and let the standing...

armed forces in TX become the TX army?

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #114)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 05:57 AM

238. Blow up the bases. And no weapons either.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:53 PM

33. This is a craven ploy to boost Republican turn out in November, nothing more. Nt

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:54 PM

34. Federal owns 1.77% of Texas land.

This includes national forests and conservation parks, military bases, and the Johnson Space Center.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 01:59 PM

35. It won't be allowed, but if they did, all Federal Funding would automatically cease. They are

absolutely insane

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:04 PM

37. I knew that Texas Republicans were stupid, but...

they never heard about the little kerfuffle 160 years ago when some other assholes tried that shit?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:05 PM

38. Texas GOPers masturbating in public to their self importance is gross

As the British say bellends and wankers.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:05 PM

39. can we budget . . .

. . . for a really good wall?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:06 PM

40. Please secede ASAP!!! I'm beggin' you!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:08 PM

41. This reminds me of Quebec having referendumbs about seceding

They seem to forget they'll lose all the benefits of being part of a larger community.

No you can't keep your passports and Canadian money, fuck off.

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Response to Laha (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:27 PM

63. That's a very different subject, really off topic.

They fight for their native-language survival and cultural history in North-America (8-million French-speaking in an ocean of English-speaking populations on the continent).

They have Social-Democratic politicies regarding public healthcare. They are pioneers in creating daycare centers for kids of working families, policies the Federal government is now working to copycat in the rest of Canada.

Texas Christofascist terrorists can go away any time they want, and let Democratic political refugees to the rest of US flee for a better life.

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Response to Justice matters. (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 05:12 AM

223. I disagree that it's completely off topic

The rest of the country was responding in a very similar manner to the way people are talking about Texas seceding.

A very simple, "Fine, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. And no, you don't get to keep the country's currency and passports."

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Response to Laha (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:32 PM

70. It made it harder for them to get investment capital

not sure if that's the case with Texas

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:10 PM

43. I'm trying to figure out what the downside of this would be....

haven't come up with much yet....

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:13 PM

44. Whom can i donate too to push this along ?

They can take florida guy with them but leave the state

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:13 PM

45. As long as they pay relo fees for the good people who want to leave

and take in as many RWNJs as they can, I'm all for it

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:17 PM

47. and relo allowances for those that want to go with them

I say make it so

on edit: I'm sure alot of 'good folks' in Arizona would want to go with them,,,,

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Response to KarenS (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:04 PM

99. By "good people" I meant the Dems and other normal people

I couldn't care less if they pay for the nut cases to go away with them or not, as long as they leave.

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #99)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:06 PM

167. oh,,, I'm sorry,,,,

I do know what you meant and I was being snide and sarcastic,,,

What I meant and should have said was to let Texas secede,,,, help those financially leave Texas that do not want to secede relocate elsewhere and help those in other states that want to secede with Texas move to Texas,,,,

All the Republicans/Trumpsters here in Arizona think they are the good guys and very victimized by the Libs.

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Response to KarenS (Reply #167)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:30 PM

180. I understand

Trump’s use of good people to mean psycho’s and racists, ruins it for everyone. I think we are in 100% agreement

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:15 PM

46. "I didn't realize our town would lose all that money from the military bases

if we voted to secede!”.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:17 PM

48. Adios!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:19 PM

51. It

could only be good for the rest of the country. Think of all the money we could save not having to take care of them. I vote YES YES YES a thousand time YES!!!!!!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:19 PM

52. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

It's possible for a state to secede, I presume, by doing the opposite of Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1 of the constitution. This section outlines the requirements for admission. It requires approval by the legislatures of the states involved, plus the approval of congress. It's doable.

Since a majority of the state legislatures today are in Republican hands, I would hope that they would be sympathetic to Texas and vote to allow them to leave.

If congress was in Democratic hands, they would be more likely to allow Texas to leave since that would throw congress even more firmly into the Democratic camp since the Gerrymandered supermajority of Republican representatives in Texas would be removed from the legislative branch.

If Republicans were in charge in congress, they would never let Texas go for this same reason.

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1 of the constitution is at a pretty high level. I think that some amount of federal legislation that defines the detailed process for secession would need to be written and passed and reviewed by the judicial branch before any real secession could take place.

Frankly, I think this is inevitable. The far-right Pandora's box has been opened with Trump. America as a whole is now marching backwards in everything from race, to LGBTQ+ rights, to women's rights, to violence as a resolution to problems, to minority rule, to totalitarian government behavior. There's no way we survive as a 50-state "union" much longer.

As I've pointed out in other posts, 87 million eligible voters did NOT vote in 2020. In the county I live in, the voter turnout for the recent primary election was 32% of registered voters - even though mail-in ballots are sent to every voter by default so that no one would have had to go to a polling place. The mother fuckers had hours and hours to spend on social media bitching about government not working. But none could find the 15 minutes or so to sit at their kitchen table with their mail-in ballot and make a few decisions.

Non-voters are, by definition, assholes.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:20 PM

53. BUH-bye

Don't let the door. . .actually, let the door!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:22 PM

55. Jesus - Brexit on mega-steroids

What could possibly go wrong?

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Response to VWolf (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:03 PM

95. And Lesser Britain has still not felt the full crunch. BoJo was a putin puppet.

I should feel sorry for the no-leave Brits - just like they felt sorry for the first US Civil War.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:23 PM

57. I seem to recall this leaving the Union nonsense ever so often. Obviously those that

are moaning and complaining about some issues or various things outside the state of TX (heaven forbid, nothing is wrong in TX (unless it's the Fed's fault)).

Seems to be on a repetitive cycle, every couple of years or so.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:24 PM

59. While I'd be happy to leave the state if they actually seceded, the rest of the US would be

in a world of hurt. We are nowhere near ending our dependency on oil and gas, and a very large share of that oil and gas is controlled in Texas. Imagine the cost of gas if Texas became a country and negotiated with the rest of the US. The majority of refineries are located in Texas and Louisiana. Being right next door, if Texas successfully seceded, Louisiana likely would as well.

I will probably leave this state within the next year or so anyway, but much as everyone loves to hate Texas (me too!) we need to invest in the state and work like hell to turn it blue. Obviously, I like banging my head into the wall trying to get the Democratic Party to stop writing off Texas!

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:56 PM

88. maybe the Texas GQP smells a victory for Beto this November.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:06 PM

100. Would fall neatly into some people's plans. Can't imagine who would benefit....

And I don't mean just the oil companies.

There may be some foreign interests in getting Texas to secede. Wonder if it's Mexico (Come Back To Mexico!)

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:09 PM

105. WE APPRECIATE YOU! You're helping Beto! That's probably what all this TX bullshit is about, anyway

We need Democrats in TX. This year and 2024 could be a turning point.

I'm in FL and have always loved to hate on it, too. But Dems are sticking here to turn it even more purple. If WE get Beto and Val in office, a lot of stuff could really change.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:24 PM

60. If they do leave then no social security, Medicare or any federal help if they have a disaster

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #60)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:29 PM

66. There will be no if

they won't have those things anymore.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #60)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 03:12 PM

228. Still entitled to SS

All ex-pats are
Non-citizens are also eligible. If you or your spouse pay into the system, you earn it.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:24 PM

61. The gop sees the writing on the wall, tfg and many others of them are going away for a long time.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:28 PM

65. Could, but won't

They love to threaten to secede. There’s no chance it actually happens.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:31 PM

67. Take Florida too

OK, Bye!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:31 PM

68. We have to shut down these bases NOW

Get all weapons and personnel out of there . . . and weapons - and weapons -

So they can't attack our border states.

Dyess Air Force Base, Abilene
Ellington Field Joint Reserve Base, Houston
Goodfellow Air Force Base, San Angelo
Laughlin Air Force Base, Del Rio
Sheppard Air Force Base, Wichita Falls
Corpus Christi Army Depot, Corpus Christi
Fort Bliss, El Paso
Fort Hood, Killeen
Red River Army Depot, Texarkana
Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Corpus Christi
Naval Air Station Fort Worth Joint Reserve Base, Fort Worth
Naval Air Station Kingsville, Kingville
Joint Base San Antonio
Fort Sam Houston
Lackland Air Force Base
Randolph Air Force Base

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:38 PM

72. If the aholes secede then they can go back to owning slaves which is what the Alamo was about.n/t

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:38 PM

73. Texit does have a nice ring to it, but...

this exercise will only serve to turn Texas more purple.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:45 PM

77. Yes please, it is the best that could happen to the entire country.

Imagine that, we can charge them to come into the USA, they would need to get VISAS, and they would be labeled as foreigners, and those who decide to apply for residency would become immigrants...it all sounds too delightful. They already have their electric matrix, so let them fence for themselves, and when Abbot lets them freeze, they can have a lot of "thoughts and prayers" for God to send them money, or maybe they will ask Putin for it, if Putin is still around.

In the words of Forrest Gump's mom: Stupid is as stupid does.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:01 PM

93. if they secede, lets mae them a territory....

Like PR is now. No voting rights in national elections, can't have a standing army, can't join the un, can't protect their own borders......

Just like putin would do. They will feel right at home.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:45 PM

78. So I guess we have to start thinking about

how much are we going to pay them to go away.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:51 PM

80. Who will they beg funds from after the first hurricane/drought/ice storm?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:53 PM

81. What's To Stop Them From Signing Alliances With Russia and North Korea?

The general DU sentiment seems to be joy at their departure. However, once fully independent, Texans will no longer be deterred in their hatefulness by fear of prosecution for treason or being unregistered foreign agents. They'll be hot to join with Russia and North Korea, probably invite those countries to station troops on Texan soil. We'd have to be prepared to respond to the attempt to station missiles too. If Texas secedes and becomes an independent country, there's no reason to believe that the rest of the US could count on their friendship. Quite the contrary I think.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:53 PM

82. El Paso County should start making plans on joining New Mexico.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 02:56 PM

84. These fools

think they would just keep everything they're getting now from the federal budget. I've got news for them. No more Fort Hood etc., etc., no more Medicaid funding, no more Medicare funding, no more SS payments (remember that you are no longer US citizens), no more funding for CBP so they can try to control the border all on their own (good luck with that since they will be easy prey for the drug cartels and the Mexican military), no more tax subsidies to their oil companies, and the list goes on. Oklahoma will be thrilled to be able to stop Texans at will from coming over the new US border to say nothing of not having to play them in football.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:02 PM

94. That independent electric grid is working well.

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Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:03 PM

96. Is it that time of week again? n/t

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:04 PM

97. Mexico better get that wall built. Texas will pay for it.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:07 PM

102. Wait! No! Please, wait! Take Florida with you!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:07 PM

103. The Texas economy would tank

The Texas economy would tank due to their reliance on federal tax dollars used in their economy such as all the military bases in the state. Think about how much those economies around those states would suffer from my more military members renting places to live and going to eat at restaurants in the area.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:08 PM

104. Please proceed! (take all the GUN NUTS and RELIGIOUS CULT)

With you! I give you a month and all the gun nuts there will KILL each other off!!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:14 PM

107. I wonder if they will build a wall

So when they leave the United States they don't have to worry about it anybody messing with them again. Please take Fox News with you, and note to cable companies please block Fox News forever.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:18 PM

110. Jesus Effin Christ. Here they go again

I can't even wrap my head around these people and their thought process.

People who love America so much they want to break the country apart??

People who obviously know that this can never happen, but they are riling up the base.

Sheesh.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:21 PM

111. It's obviously more of a political statement than anything else, but still worrying.

True, this statement is just an attempt to appeal to the racist Neo-Confederates in the Texas GOP who so badly want a rematch of the Civil War -that supposed "lost cause" for nothing more than States' rights that their ancestors lost -and who are diligently waiting for the last straw to physically go to war against the woke, godless libruls that they think are threatening their racist, bigoted, theocratic supposed way of life. However, after the Jan 6 insurrection, I don't think I can see talk like this as simply idle posturing anymore. I'm afraid that sooner or later, in 2023 or whenever the next Democratic president gets elected, a referendum on recession will be brought to a vote in TX or some other red state, in spite of this being illegal.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:21 PM

112. As long as they keep ted cruz.

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Response to William769 (Reply #112)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:54 PM

132. LOL! n/t

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:23 PM

113. Just...

...leave us Willie Nelson and the Dallas Cowboys. Then don't let the door hit your asses on the way out.

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Response to pagarr1957 (Reply #113)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 07:51 AM

201. This Texan thinks you might just want reconsider your thoughtless comment. What state ...

... are you from?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:25 PM

115. Give Texas back to Mexico. That should straighten them out.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:27 PM

116. The ignorance is strong

in Texas.

Go and read Texas v. White.

It says

The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States. When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation.


So, since 1869, the law of the land has been:

Once you join the United States of America, you are forever part of the United States of America.

That simple.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:33 PM

120. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:39 PM

122. "No, wait, we still get to participate in elections, because we say so!"

This has been Texas' way for years now. "We hate America but we ARE America, we're totally independent but demand you help us out every time we screw up, we're gonna secede but still insist we're in charge."

Everything's bigger in Texas, including the stupidity.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:40 PM

123. TX can't figure out how to run their water systems or power grids...

but they want to secede.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:43 PM

126. Texas has 38 electoral votes. A Texas secession would just about guarantee

that no Republican would win the U.S. presidency ever again.

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Response to RipVanWinkle (Reply #126)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:59 PM

136. While Texas secession

would play into the Russian agenda of breaking up the US, this possibility is intriguing. Maybe we could get Florida to go away, too, and take DeSantis AND Trump into third world status, and solve the problems of Abbott, DeSantis, and Trump. Worth considering. But, then we would end up with Russia at our borders. Good thing we are a member of NATO!

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #136)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:48 PM

157. I agree - there are pros and cons to a Texas secession.

I'm not a global strategist. That being said:

1. I don't thing we will ever see Russia at our borders. Russia is perhaps a superpower (due to its nuclear weapons capability, and to some extent its oil production), but the country is actually quite weak economically and demographically. I don't think of Russia as a global power, unless you're talking about nuclear weapons.

2. A Texas secession could actually have the opposite effect in that the remaining states might be motivated to stay together.

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Response to RipVanWinkle (Reply #126)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:59 PM

189. Not really. Even without Texas, Trump would've won in 2016

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Texas has voted for the Republican presidential candidate in every election since 1980. The only two elections where Texas's votes made a difference in the outcome are 2000 and 2004.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:47 PM

129. It may open a pandora's box.

Meaning if this was to happen and how they get it, it may, unfortunately, bring CalExit back from the dead

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:51 PM

130. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, and

take Florida with you.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:53 PM

131. EXCUSE ME?

The federal government interferes with the right to local self-government?
The feds aren't telling Austin they can't pay sick leave to all workers, ban one-use plastic bags, etc. And it's Texas govt that's set it up to overthrow our elections, persecute any and all minorities, including parents trying to parent their trans kids.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:54 PM

133. Let'em leave, and take their sorry-ass, profit-driven electrical grid with them.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:04 PM

138. Everything is bigger in Texas , including bull-sit !

 

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:05 PM

139. This is so fucking funny...

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:07 PM

141. They'll be fine seceding

because they'll still have the military bases and NASA.



Idiots.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:08 PM

142. The joke I tell about Texas is...


... Texas wants to Secede from the U.S.A. and rejoin Mexico. But Mexico said NO! The toxic clean up costs for Texas would make it a negative transaction.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:21 PM

143. Go ahead

and see if you can balance your budget and support your economy without all the federal dollars you get. A lot more than you give, by the way.

Makes sure democrats control Congress and the Senate.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:22 PM

144. Ok. Good luck with that.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:22 PM

146. Bad Idea!

This is the same state that can’t manage its own electricity grid….right!!! They think they can take everything into their own hands.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:24 PM

148. Leave.

Open up the border and let Mexico have it.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:26 PM

150. There's still time to leave in 2022.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:26 PM

151. gtfo. GOP of Texas admitting what we already know they hate USA.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:27 PM

152. Let's see . . .

This means that we could build a wall to keep them out.
All the military bases would close.
Companies would flee.
Millions would have to flee the state, because many, many jobs would be lost.
The power grid would inevitably fail completely, and we could ignore their pleas for help.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:31 PM

153. But what about Football and NCAA sports?

I can't imagine the NCAA allowing teams from another nation to play for the national championship! And lots of money is involved, and Tx universities wouldn't want to lose it.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:32 PM

154. They don't have the military power

How stupid, do they think we are responsible for their defense if they are a different country?

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Response to treestar (Reply #154)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:05 PM

166. If Texas secedes, Texas would have a lot of infrastructure in place

like former U.S. military bases.

All they would need to do is buy equipment, vehicles, aircraft, weapons, munitions, and other supplies. They could institute a draft in order to raise an army. It's expensive, but it could be paid for with oil revenue and other income sources.

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Response to RipVanWinkle (Reply #166)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:30 AM

205. Where are they going to get the money?

They won't be taxing the oilmen.

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Response to RipVanWinkle (Reply #166)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:36 PM

217. Ah, but our democratic USA would block all military sales to Texas now couldn't we?

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Response to machoneman (Reply #217)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 03:09 PM

220. There are probably other countries that would sell to them.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:50 PM

158. Then the rest of us will be importing oil from yet another foreign country.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #158)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:59 PM

161. IMO, this is why they want to secede: energy, oil, natural gas, and refineries.

From: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=TX

Quick Facts

Texas is the top crude oil- and natural gas-producing state in the nation. In 2021, Texas accounted for 43% of the nation's crude oil production and 25% of its marketed natural gas production.

Texas has the most crude oil refineries and the most refining capacity of any state. The 31 petroleum refineries in Texas can process a combined total of almost 5.9 million barrels of crude oil per calendar day—32% of the nation's refining capacity as of January 2021.

In 2021, Texas produced about 26% of all U.S. wind-powered electricity generation, leading the nation for the 16th year in a row. Wind power surpassed the state's nuclear generation for the first time in 2014 and exceeded coal-fired generation for the first time in 2019.

Texas produces more electricity than any other state, generating nearly twice as much as second-place Florida. In 2021, Texas accounted for about 12% of the nation's total electricity net generation.

Texas leads the nation in energy consumption across all sectors and is the largest energy-consuming state in the nation. The industrial sector, including the state's refineries and petrochemical plants, accounts for more than half of the state's energy consumption and for 23% of the nation's total industrial sector energy use.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 04:55 PM

160. Elon Musk and Tesla would not like a Texas secession.

Tesla's Austin factory makes Tesla's most popular model, the Model Y. Austin is supposed to be the only factory to make the Cyber Truck, a vehicle with reportedly more than 1,000,000 reservations.

Tesla also makes the Model Y in California. Cyber Trucks and Austin-made Model Y's exported to the U.S. would be subject to an import tax, making the already expensive vehicles even more expensive.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:02 PM

164. They will

need to understand that they will no longer get federal help if they have fires, tornadoes hurricanes-any natural disasters. No more federal help for roads. No Medicare or Medicaid or social security. No postal service. Close all military bases. I know I am leaving out a lot more services TX depends on that the federal government provides. Fine by me.

Oh by the way you try to invade our other states, our military will attack.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #164)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:11 PM

168. Texas will become more vulnerable to hurricanes.

With climate change, hurricanes will likely become stronger, and when they hit Texas, the damage from these hurricanes will most likely be worse.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:14 PM

170. If it means removing Ted Cruz from the Senate,

I'll consider it.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:20 PM

171. Make Mexico take Texas back.

Let them deal with the Texicans.

Wolf

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Response to Wolf Frankula (Reply #171)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:54 PM

176. That would be a rude thing for our neighbors to the South.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:28 PM

172. they receive $1.20 per dollar paid into the Federal coffers

and rely on the Fed for around 17% of their state budget.

https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

Wonder how it would work out for them? They'd have to raise taxes an awful lot to replace that money and provide for their own defense.

I suspect there would be a huge migration out of the state.....further weakening their economic picture.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:40 PM

174. Good Bye

Good--lets hope that more of the southern wacko conservative states follow suit. First thing that would happen
is the end of Federal aid, we have more money for things we really need like single payer health care, free community college, and
improvements to our inner city subways. The country is headed in that direction, sad, but it seems like there is no way back at the moment

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 05:57 PM

177. Why can't they do it now? Now is a good time.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:01 PM

178. Raise their taxes. Especially gas taxes.

Pay anyone from Texas in the military less.

Revoke all federal oil land leases.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:02 PM

184. Movie nut here: did anyone see "News of the World"?



(link) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6878306/

It's a movie that stars Tom Hanks and it's about a specific time period of Texas history: the 10 years following the end of the Civil War. It's educational for those of us who never learned Texas history, PLUS Tom Hanks is so good! Texas was all-in for the South in the Civil War, and they lost. But there were many folks who never accepted the loss - even 10 years later, vigilantes were pillaging like the Confederacy was still a thing. In this story Tom Hanks (a former newspaperman) is one of the Confederate officers who accepted the loss, and for the rest of his life he traveled through Texas giving the people readings of the "news" from the rest of the USA and the world.

My point is that the history of Texas is a strange and worrisome thing. They really are different from the rest of us. Maybe it's time for a partition to happen - just as in the days of India and Pakistan separating. Let the "liberals" leave if they want to, and let whoever wants to stay, they can stay. A peaceable divorce. I can deal with that.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 09:51 PM

186. Good riddance - but no trade or defense agreements, and NO use of the U.S. dollar

Let'em use the Texas peso.

It'll go the way of the Confederate dollar: debased by its own predatory elites - who dumped it for gold (and U.S. dollars) as quickly as they humanly could.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 10:05 PM

187. As the kids say these days...

...fuck around and find out.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:19 PM

190. Where can I send a check to help this to happen?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:28 PM

191. $100 billion.

That’s just the economic gains Texas enjoys from the 15 US military bases on Texas soil.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:30 PM

192. Please go..

but do realize:

1 - all military bases will be gone
2 - no border security as the border crossing will be moved to New Mexico
3 - fight your own damn wildfires as well as refinery fires, hurricanes, chemical spills and flooding
4 - check points at all roads coming into a US state - best have a passport and reason to be in the US
5 - no more Medicaid or Medicare coverage
6 - fix your own damn roads
7 - maintain your own airports - no federal funds for controllers or TSA agents
8 - a big adios to your (mostly) idiot senators and representatives as well as the Electoral votes
9 - trains and buses can't cross into a US state
10 - build and pay for your own military

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:35 PM

193. Yeah, good luck with that.

As I posted elsewhere, that worked out so well for Texas in 1861.


And this time, they don't even have a military other than the National Guard.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2022, 11:43 PM

194. Then, in preparation we need to

close all the U.S. military in Texas
Close and relocate all the military medical facilities -- along with every piece of equipment located therein
Relocate NASA
Relocate the Super Conductor program
Camp Stanley EPA Facility
All the federal correctional facilities

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 02:16 AM

198. Texas secedes, the Mexican army invades Texas, US states bordering Texas build walls.

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Abbott and the rest of the (now former) Texas GOP whines about being cancelled and complains they are political prisoners attempting to flee into America for safety.

They get detained at the new US borders, their children are taken from them, and families are separated and sent all over the country to various detention centers.

Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, along with the former Texas representatives, are ousted from Congress because they are now citizens of Mexico. They get deported back to Texas after spending several years in a detention center for illegal immigrants.

Naturally, the Democrats of what was once the US state of Texas are freely allowed into America and freely allowed to carry on.

Republicans caught trying to pass themselves off as Democrats in order to secure passage into America will be tried for spying on America.

Any republican claiming to be an American citizen from one of the now 49 US states and that they were only visiting Texas will have to prove citizenship by passing a civics and US history exam, both written and oral. They must answer all questions correctly and factually.

Those republicans bringing arms to the new US border will be seen as weapons traffickers and detained accordingly.
















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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #198)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:03 AM

204. How about this

We give texass back to mexico and they pay for the wall. On the northern border.
texass = treason

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 02:41 AM

199. Would everyone living in Texas become citizens of a new country?

And would they keep US citizenship or lose it?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 03:27 AM

200. There is no constitutionally legal mechanism...

for that to happen.

If Texas wants to try and secede, it will have to take on the combined might of the United States military.

Any forces Texas could muster would be stomped in a matter of hours.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 07:58 AM

202. We should start planning to close every military base in texass.

No more infrastructure funding for texass.
No more school funding for texass.
No more disaster relief for texass.
Build a fence on the northern border of texass.
Post border control at all roads leading from texass
No more corporate welfare for texass.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 08:02 AM

203. May we retrieve our dead?

I have relatives buried at Ft Sam Houston. I'd like them to be re-buried in U.S. soil, if possible.

And I have some nostalgia for my basic training at Ft Bliss (El Paso).

Adios.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:09 AM

206. They'll lead the way for other red states.

Then what?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:56 AM

210. Because it worked so well the last time. n/t

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 09:57 AM

211. It could go the other way ...

I was born and raised in Texas, though I now live in PA. There were occasional calls for secession when I was young in the 70’s. But smart people quickly pointed out we did not have that right and the last time the state tried it, it did not go well for them.

On the other hand, there is a widely held theory that based on the US legislation that brought Texas into the union in 1845, the state does have the unilateral right to split into up to five separate states all of which are automatic members of the US. The Smithsonian Magazine did an informative article on this recently - For More Than 150 Years, Texas Has Had the Power to Secede…From Itself.

While this proposal came up several times in my life, I agree with the article’s author that the Texas sense of identity could never withstand the diminution such a division would entail.

But if the GOP ever really wanted an advantage having ten Senate seats from what is now Texas’ two would likely be a great addition. Depending on how the state was split at least two of those might end up Democrats, but the majority would likely be Repubs. Not sure how the House seats would split.

Rather than full secession, division is what the GOP folk should be pushing. But who is going to give up the Lone Star to be a citizen of Galvestonia or the great state of Greater DAFW?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:41 AM

213. All those government jobs lost. LOL

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 11:58 AM

214. Don't tell the Texas rethugs the consequences of seceding

Let them find out the hard way what secession and independence from the USA would mean: no Federal funding, no US Armed Forces, no Social Security, no border protection, etc.

They want independence? Let's give'em independence.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 12:02 PM

215. Well....bye.

Good luck and God bless.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 01:21 PM

216. I thought a stop was put to that sort of thing in 1861-1865?

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Response to anamnua (Reply #216)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 03:19 PM

221. Theoretically, unless the current SC decides to overturn a SC decision (Texas v. White) from 1869.

From: https://sites.law.duq.edu/juris/2012/12/11/can-a-state-legally-secede-from-the-united-states/

At the culmination of the Civil War, the United States Supreme Court decided Texas v. White, which started as a dispute over bonds issued in Texas during the war. Texas attempted to leave the United States when it supported the Confederacy, where it supplied troops to fight with the rebel forces. The United States Supreme Court established a new constitutional principle in Texas v. White, holding that states cannot unilaterally secede.

Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase stated: “When Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the state. The Act, which consummated her admission into the Union, was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final.”

If it doesn’t seem hard enough to secede, some constitutional scholars say that secession could be considered treason under the Articles of the Constitution. In an article for the Kansas City Star, Akhil Reed Amar, Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale University, discussed the Supremacy Clause in Article 6 of the United States Constitution.

“What the Constitution says repeatedly is once you’re in (as a state), you’re in. If people want to secede, they are allowed to leave; they just can’t take the land and the water with them. There is a lawful way to secede – it’s called emigration. They can move to Canada,” Amar wrote.

From: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-6/

Article VI

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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The Supreme Court court could theoretically re-interpret Article 6 of the Constitution and reverse Texas vs. White to allow secession.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 02:37 PM

218. Let them go

I've been told they were more important than blue states by posters here. Let's see how that works out. Their 40 electoral votes are always in support of cancer.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #218)

Tue Jun 21, 2022, 03:29 PM

222. That's what I say - let them go.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:15 PM

224. Not secede - EXPEL

Expel them ... they have no say on the issue and couldn't remain a part of the U.S. even if they wanted. Have the military evacuate and relocate every ounce of U.S. government property from Texas soil ... that material leaves under heavy armed guard, including whatever nukes may be in the state.

Build that wall around the the land of the crazy and gullible so no one gets in or out.

Then they can worship their autocrats, plutocrats, theocrats, fascists, and big daddy figures as they hump their little ARs and sleep with them every night.

And of course don't forget to leave those 40 electoral votes on the table.

Goodbye Texas -- Have fun wallowing in your poison.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2022, 07:33 PM

225. I'm pretty sure they cannot actually legally decide this unilaterally

I don't recall all the details on this, but the gist of it is that doing so would likely not be allowed by the federal government. In which case, if Texas was really set on that happening, then there would likely escalate to an armed conflict.


I happen to live in Texas and I don't think this would be as popular as some may think. At least when the rubber meets the road and people attempt to make it a reality instead of just some throwaway statement made mostly in jest.


*Okay, I just read the entire article and it confirms what I thought.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2022, 01:33 PM

226. They should secede -- and trade Austin for Bakersfield

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:28 AM

229. Let them go. Texas is a much greater threat to our safety, democracy, and liberty

than any country in the world is.

Support and relocate anyone who wants to leave Texas. In the not so long run, the cost of supporting and relocating our loyal American refugee sistren and brethren would be far less than keeping Texas in the Union.

Meanwhile, the Fascist Texas Revolutionary Dictatorship of the Petrogarch would monumentally fail from terminal stupid, and would be begging to be allowed back into the US within 5 years.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:54 AM

230. The Smoke Flashes Bright

Most Every Night,

BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG!

Deep in the hearts of Dead Texans.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:59 PM

231. TexASS: Hell hole of the USA. Let them go, I say!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 05:55 PM

232. 'Russian trolls' promoted California independence

I can understand Republicans falling for Russian propaganda, but why spread secession propaganda on DU?

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41853131

Social media accounts with ties to Russia pushed a huge Twitter trend in favour of an independent California on US election night 2016, BBC Trending has learned. The campaign was one of at least two popular online independence drives with links to the Kremlin.

It was a surprising development on a surprising night. In the early hours of 9 November 2016, shortly after it became clear that Donald Trump would be the next president of the United States, the hashtag #Calexit hit Twitter's list of top trends.

Trump, Brexit... Calexit?

"Calexit" is short for "California exit" - the idea that the US state could break away from the rest of the nation - and the election-night trend seemed to be driven by liberal activists wary that heavily Democratic California would be governed by Trump.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:24 PM

233. How much foreign aid

would they get from the U.S.?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:20 AM

234. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out you dildos!

Buh-bye fascist freaks. Won’t miss you.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:22 AM

235. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out you dildos!

Buh-bye fascist freaks. Won’t miss you. Let’s build a wall! 😂

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:24 AM

236. Get out! Take Florida with you!

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Response to GoldandSilver (Reply #236)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:44 AM

241. I live in Fort Bend County, Texas

It is a very diverse county and blue. Texas cannot secede, but even if it were possible there is no way Texas would take Florida, Alabama, etc. Texans, whether blue or red, do not consider themselves "southern"-- southwestern is how we would describe ourselves. But like I said- this will never happen. Texans would not vote for it.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:25 AM

237. Get out! Take Florida with you!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 06:29 AM

239. Only if they promise to take Alabama, Mississippi and Florida with them.

One off housing exchange and free travel for anyone stuck on one side who wants to be on the other and then good luck applying for climate change refugee visas in 10 years assholes.

The savings for FEMA alone would be well worth it not to mention dumping the eight worst senators.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:32 AM

240. Downsize the U.S.

We should cut difficult member states, and cut member states which don't contribute much and drain resources from other states. I think if we streamlined our operation, we would be better off as a nation. It makes sense from a business point of view, which r.w. fascists can understand.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 09:45 AM

242. wow...

...that would be terrific!

...

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Response to packman (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 11:11 PM

243. Texas cannot secede, this is a big-dick-waving urban legend

that they have been waving around for years.

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