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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,618 posts)
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:13 AM Jun 2022

Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years .. protected the right to abortion

Source: Washington Post

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Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years has protected the right to abortion

Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, ending right to abortion
10:19 a.m.

Supreme Court reaches decision in highly anticipated abortion case
10:18 a.m.

By Robert Barnes, Ann E. Marimow and John Wagner
Updated June 24, 2022 at 10:19 a.m. EDT * Published June 24, 2022 at 10:15 a.m. EDT

The Supreme Court has struck down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years has protected the right to abortion.

The decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health was the most anticipated of the court's term, with political tension surrounding the fight over abortion erupting in May with the leak of a draft opinion indicating a majority of justices intended to end the long-standing precedent.

The justices were considering a Mississippi law that would ban almost all abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The law had not taken effect because lower courts said it was at odds with the right to abortion established in Roe v. Wade in 1973 and affirmed by subsequent Supreme Court rulings.

Those decisions held that states may not impose restrictions on a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy before viability -- the point when a fetus could survive outside the womb, usually around 24 weeks.

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By Robert Barnes
Robert Barnes has been a Washington Post reporter and editor since 1987. He joined The Post to cover Maryland politics, and he has served in various editing positions, including metropolitan editor and national political editor. He has covered the Supreme Court since November 2006. Twitter https://twitter.com/scotusreporter

By Ann Marimow
Ann Marimow covers legal affairs for The Washington Post. She joined The Post in 2005 and has covered state government and politics in California, New Hampshire and Maryland. Twitter https://twitter.com/amarimow

By John Wagner
John Wagner is a national reporter on The Post's new breaking political news team. He previously covered the Trump White House. During the 2016 presidential election, he focused on the Democratic campaigns of Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley. He also chronicled Maryland government for more than a decade. Twitter https://twitter.com/WPJohnWagner

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/24/supreme-court-abortion-ruling/



BREAKING: SUPREME COURT OVERTURNS ROE V WADE ON 6 TO 3 VOTE




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https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/announcement-of-opinions-for-friday-june-24/

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

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We have Dobbs.
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Amy Howe

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Wow.
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Mark Walsh

5 minutes ago
It is by Justice Alito.
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Amy Howe

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No real June surprise here.
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Mark Walsh

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Roberts concurs in the judgment.
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Amy Howe

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Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan filed a dissenting opinion.
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Amy Howe

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MSNBC is slow to interrupt a discussion of immigration.
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Mark Walsh

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Roe and Casey are overruled.
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Amy Howe

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Here's the link: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf
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Ellena Erskine

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The "held" line of the syllabus does not bury the lede.
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Mark Walsh

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There is nothing in the Constitution about abortion, and the Constitution does not implicitly protect the right.
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Amy Howe

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"It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives."
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Amy Howe

NBC and ABC have broken into regular programming, but like yesterday, CBS still with "Let's Make a Deal"
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Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years .. protected the right to abortion (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 OP
They did it. Seeking Serenity Jun 2022 #1
Unfathomable what is happening in our country. SoFloDenny Jun 2022 #73
Directly as a result of Trump. Pete Ross Junior Jun 2022 #80
What did Kavenaugh say when grilled about Roe vs Wade in the hearings? Bengus81 Jun 2022 #113
Yep. All three of 'em lied about it. calimary Jun 2022 #149
Barrett actually refused to say that it was precedent Polybius Jun 2022 #189
We can correctly lay blame at the feet of 40 years of creeping Republican fascism. That said, Magoo48 Jun 2022 #197
what they did azureblue Jun 2022 #145
I WISH it the beginning of the end of the GOP. calimary Jun 2022 #153
Yep. dalton99a Jun 2022 #2
Well, shit. melm00se Jun 2022 #3
It also does not confer a right to purchase or own an AK-15. nt Samrob Jun 2022 #6
A what? melm00se Jun 2022 #71
You are correct. Dems have had plenty of chances to do it since 1973. Master_Monstruwacan Jun 2022 #92
Because it never would have been ratified. n/t wryter2000 Jun 2022 #110
Agreed Lithos Jun 2022 #117
Most of the GOP Senators need to be overturned n/t AntiFascist Jun 2022 #204
All right expect a huge turn out of women voters and those of us who love them. Botany Jun 2022 #4
Expecting is not an action plan, hay rick Jun 2022 #48
Next on the agenda the EPA Vs West Virginia and then turbinetree Jun 2022 #5
Hell, don't forget Loving v Virginia. malthaussen Jun 2022 #23
Couldn't agree more.....all they need is some right wing fascist governor let's say in Florida.... turbinetree Jun 2022 #50
And this shit just came down from SCOTUS geardaddy Jun 2022 #63
MMH is our local hospital Marthe48 Jun 2022 #70
My dad was on dialysis for many years geardaddy Jun 2022 #72
I hope your transplant keeps working Marthe48 Jun 2022 #94
Thank you! geardaddy Jun 2022 #101
Bastards!!! littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #7
+1 TeamProg Jun 2022 #9
Since SCOTUS was predicted to do that, the sooner the better re: midterm electons. n/t TeamProg Jun 2022 #8
Everyone who said their vote doesn't matter, well, here you go. SKKY Jun 2022 #10
anti hillary voters jonstl08 Jun 2022 #29
Yep. Fuck them too! SKKY Jun 2022 #33
And IIRC Biden won by even fewer if you look at combined margins in PA, GA, AZ Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2022 #60
And to add an additional point... SKKY Jun 2022 #192
Hillary did receive almost 3,000,000 more votes but MarcA Jun 2022 #107
87K votes over three states. OMGWTF Jun 2022 #122
What election did Trump win by 87K votes? k8conant Jun 2022 #209
He beat Clinton by a total of 87K votes between MI, PA, and WI. SKKY Jun 2022 #219
Damn damn damn...RBG is turning over in her grave onetexan Jun 2022 #11
RBG owns a piece of this. Loki Liesmith Jun 2022 #39
I agree BonnieJW Jun 2022 #57
For RBG, it was about being relevant while she was alive. Omnipresent Jun 2022 #83
I had no idea she was so shallow wryter2000 Jun 2022 #120
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+1 berniesandersmittens Jun 2022 #133
Can no one read sarcasm here? wryter2000 Jun 2022 #171
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Missed the sarcasm berniesandersmittens Jun 2022 #196
I do, too wryter2000 Jun 2022 #198
Obama had a Democratic senate for two years. Omnipresent Jun 2022 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #162
"Save us from ourselves"? Omnipresent Jun 2022 #168
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #169
Well... Omnipresent Jun 2022 #206
And a filibuster for SCOTUS seats wryter2000 Jun 2022 #173
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I remember her saying at the time wryter2000 Jun 2022 #181
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You're welcome wryter2000 Jun 2022 #185
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But he could have gotten in another Kagan Polybius Jun 2022 #190
It was sarcasm wryter2000 Jun 2022 #170
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Thank you for your reaction, though wryter2000 Jun 2022 #177
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I think you forgot your sarcasm thingy Hekate Jun 2022 #144
I sure did wryter2000 Jun 2022 #172
I figured it was an oversight Hekate Jun 2022 #207
Yep yep roscoeroscoe Jun 2022 #87
I agree..but now that's out of our cilla4progress Jun 2022 #89
No. It started with Ralph Nader and the Green Party in 2000, and was finalized in 2016 when the SC JohnSJ Jun 2022 #115
Thank you wryter2000 Jun 2022 #118
Thank you Hekate Jun 2022 #146
Spot on!! K&R onetexan Jun 2022 #158
Yes nt XanaDUer2 Jun 2022 #119
Had she stepped down, Mitch McConnell would not have allowed her position to be filled. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #136
Mitch didn't become Majority Leader until January 2013 Polybius Jun 2022 #191
There's a wide gulf between "shouldn't have to" Loki Liesmith Jun 2022 #210
That's real helpful wryter2000 Jun 2022 #93
Facts aren't always helpful. Loki Liesmith Jun 2022 #124
Click the three dots, it's on the second page Polybius Jun 2022 #194
Yep. Nay Jun 2022 #116
That's certainly one opinion Torchlight Jun 2022 #156
Even had she stepped down and allowed a replacement... clementine613 Jun 2022 #157
A 5-4 decision to allow the MS law to stand FBaggins Jun 2022 #199
Stayed too long wilson2792 Jun 2022 #86
Because 5/4 would have been so much better wryter2000 Jun 2022 #104
and of course it is convenient to ignore how McConnel blocked President Obama's SC nominee for over JohnSJ Jun 2022 #123
Running from responsibility. Loki Liesmith Jun 2022 #126
What would have been different if we had one more justice? wryter2000 Jun 2022 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #186
Yes - that specific 5-4 would have been "so much better" FBaggins Jun 2022 #200
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #137
Okay, wilson2792, NOT TODAY Hekate Jun 2022 #140
You just laid out my thoughts exactly wryter2000 Jun 2022 #183
Lay the blame on Mitch O'Connell, where it truly belongs Hekate Jun 2022 #141
She is NOT even remotely responsible for this berniesandersmittens Jun 2022 #201
It's war now. The Grand Illuminist Jun 2022 #12
Fine. Thanks to the Supremes, you can be armed up for it Hekate Jun 2022 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #164
Wealthy Republican daughters will still be able to get an abortion. But there is now more exposure. TeamProg Jun 2022 #13
and the mistresses of xxqqqzme Jun 2022 #36
Yep Rebl2 Jun 2022 #128
Sickening honest.abe Jun 2022 #14
WaPo BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #15
So Alito's reliance on a 17th century witch burning misogynistic is now the law of the land. Comfortably_Numb Jun 2022 #16
Is it too early to start drinking. nycbos Jun 2022 #17
no mopinko Jun 2022 #34
Did your friend want an abortion? Backseat Driver Jun 2022 #109
Sorry you misunderstood my post. nycbos Jun 2022 #220
Sorry that I misunderstood - yeah, angry and depressed, I understand. Backseat Driver Jun 2022 #222
No worries on an internet forum it's hard to tell sometimes. nycbos Jun 2022 #223
I'm crying. AngryOldDem Jun 2022 #18
I'm sick. n/t wryter2000 Jun 2022 #95
Destroying SCOTUS credibility in the process, what was 'not-A' yesterday is 'yes-A' today bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #19
What recourse is there wnylib Jun 2022 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #193
Among other things, this should dispell protests of Roberts's "integrity." malthaussen Jun 2022 #20
He's a rethuglican xxqqqzme Jun 2022 #45
Yep. KPN Jun 2022 #85
Yup wryter2000 Jun 2022 #108
The Suckpreme Court is a shit hole purr-rat beauty Jun 2022 #21
Please don't use that word that starts with C jmowreader Jun 2022 #68
Bastard: Born to parents who are not married to each other Hav Jun 2022 #165
NYT BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #22
I want REVENGE for this. (nt) Paladin Jun 2022 #24
It's coming. Women are pissed. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #31
Sadly though a lot of women are anti-choice hauckeye Jun 2022 #74
Some women madville Jun 2022 #91
Yeah,they think during Prohibition NO ONE had one sip of alcohol....... Bengus81 Jun 2022 #130
It takes great sacrifice. The Grand Illuminist Jun 2022 #35
It takes great ANGER and STRATEGY. Paladin Jun 2022 #40
No one is fighting their fight, that is exactly the problem. The Grand Illuminist Jun 2022 #62
And we will have it. paleotn Jun 2022 #46
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #75
That may not be enough. The Grand Illuminist Jun 2022 #90
So how many of those 6 actually lied, under oath, stating RvW they would not support overturning RvW. Scalded Nun Jun 2022 #25
Yes I'm 100% spending the rest of the (prolly) entire fucking year Volaris Jun 2022 #100
6 Justices who should not be on the court Botany Jun 2022 #26
Great summary. It shows the stark difference in KPN Jun 2022 #121
They have to cheat and lie to stay in power. Botany Jun 2022 #129
And now they have the SCOTUS to ensure they KPN Jun 2022 #138
Thank you, you 6 worthless oxygen thieves, for handing the Democrats a landslide victory in November Aviation Pro Jun 2022 #27
...but gas prices Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2022 #47
Not always. paleotn Jun 2022 #56
I'm sorry I'm running late getting this updated, but things are kind of hectic. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #28
VOTE Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #30
Is Susan Collins still concerned? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2022 #32
Nope. GB_RN Jun 2022 #37
She's doomed in 2026. paleotn Jun 2022 #51
Hey Alito......in 1973 the people and a person named Roe had to have this taken out of the turbinetree Jun 2022 #38
Has congress ever passed a law allowing abortion? LiberalArkie Jun 2022 #44
They have tried BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #98
The "Federaliarist Society" has done what it came to do. iscooterliberally Jun 2022 #41
Sorry, but I disagree. WestMichRad Jun 2022 #112
Assholes! frogmarch Jun 2022 #42
Deal with them like Lincoln dealt with the Roger Taney court.... paleotn Jun 2022 #43
+1 bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #53
How did Lincoln deal with Seeking Serenity Jun 2022 #59
Lincoln didn't deal directly with Dred Scott, he dealt with a southern sympathizing SCOTUS. paleotn Jun 2022 #159
Thank you. I learned something today (n/t) Seeking Serenity Jun 2022 #211
This IS Dred Scott xxqqqzme Jun 2022 #64
For all practical purposes, yes. paleotn Jun 2022 #161
Well, I guess it's game over. minstrel76 Jun 2022 #49
CNN and MSNBC Traildogbob Jun 2022 #52
All of the media covers the r's Marthe48 Jun 2022 #81
🤜🤛🖕🏿🖕🏾🖕🏽🖕🏼🖕🐘💩💩💩 and MSM Traildogbob Jun 2022 #139
So ignorance wins. TNNurse Jun 2022 #54
So I'm a second class citizen... suegeo Jun 2022 #55
! rurallib Jun 2022 #58
How is FORCED BIRTH not slavery, kidnapping, and unlawful detention? bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #61
Any YouTube videos on using hangers? Marthe48 Jun 2022 #65
Any comment I could make at this moment will just infuriate the Christian apologists among us. plimsoll Jun 2022 #66
Wonder how many abortions Kavanaugh encouraged his girlfriends to get. Nt raccoon Jun 2022 #67
Our retaliation begins at the ballot box. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2022 #69
How about an AR15 March in front of SC Justice homes. Lucky Luciano Jun 2022 #82
fuck! YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #76
This court shows they love guns more than life. AllyCat Jun 2022 #77
Fuck the USSC and the patriarchy. liberalmuse Jun 2022 #78
This will only stop SAFE abortions. Duppers Jun 2022 #84
FUCK THOSE MOTHERFUCKING SHITHOLE RIGHT WING SCOTUS ASSHOLES! dixiechiken1 Jun 2022 #88
classic overreach.... bahboo Jun 2022 #96
Here they are frogmarch Jun 2022 #97
In Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion... RevBrotherThomas Jun 2022 #99
What a complete dick...telling the zealots what suits to file next. Volaris Jun 2022 #102
Well, what do you expect from those six christian talibans? Denvermosaic Jun 2022 #103
Words cannot express how angry I am right now CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #105
Crediting Jeri Taylor, profound: lambchopp59 Jun 2022 #106
Activist judges supported by Conservatives in the Senate. harun Jun 2022 #111
I'm 58 y.o., and this is literally the worst "Friday news dump" I've ever bullwinkle428 Jun 2022 #114
I read years ago that abortion would never be illegal again Marthe48 Jun 2022 #127
It's only the tyranny of the minority d_b Jun 2022 #132
and on sat too. grr. time to expand . time to reform or time to shut down the hack. go after the AllaN01Bear Jun 2022 #134
So the dog finally caught the car. mwb970 Jun 2022 #135
Not surprised, but very sad it has come to this. I hope this puts an end to the meme Vinca Jun 2022 #142
The supreme liars show their true colors! BlueJac Jun 2022 #143
No surprise, but a pyrrhic victory Deminpenn Jun 2022 #148
eventually AncientOfDays Jun 2022 #214
Sooner rather than later Deminpenn Jun 2022 #215
Time to enlarge SCOTUS. cstanleytech Jun 2022 #150
fuck! YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #152
Republican women-haters may have won this battle dlk Jun 2022 #154
I'm curious to know if the reasoning is any better than the leaked draft. That was so bad it was Martin68 Jun 2022 #155
We're now a Christo-fascist state - as far as women are concerned n/t csziggy Jun 2022 #160
The Hanger Judges amb123 Jun 2022 #163
The Christian Religion did this Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #166
they're trying to grab everything they can, all at once -- see the gun decision yesterday paulkienitz Jun 2022 #167
Fuck Alito. Fuck Thomas. Fuck Kavanaugh. Fuck the Handmaid. Fuck them all... Blue Owl Jun 2022 #176
SCOTUS has circled their wagons in a RTump-wise direction... ultralite001 Jun 2022 #178
Post removed Post removed Jun 2022 #182
This just reinforces my anger at my liberal and progressive friends Lanius Jun 2022 #188
I just got up... So they frikkin' went and did it! ... electric_blue68 Jun 2022 #195
So sick of the hateful fucking christo-fascists who are ruining our country. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2022 #202
So, you finally got what you wanted, "Christians" Lil Liberal Laura Jun 2022 #203
The Constitution does talk about Liberty - where's the Liberty for women when they can't decide when electric_blue68 Jun 2022 #205
We can use it to drive turnout from our side this election IronLionZion Jun 2022 #208
Did they announce this now, Bayard Jun 2022 #212
Step 1: Wednesdays Jun 2022 #213
So, does that also mean that it may be illegal to use some or all forms of birth control? BrightKnight Jun 2022 #216
Supreme Coat Hanger trusty elf Jun 2022 #217
We are a fascist nation The Jungle 1 Jun 2022 #218
This is basically driven by religious conservatives. olegramps Jun 2022 #221
Timing. The damdable "convenient" timing of this. lambchopp59 Jun 2022 #224
I met a 40-ish woman today who did not know what the coat-hanger signified pfitz59 Jun 2022 #225
Has anyone bothered .... Shoonra Jun 2022 #226
Yes, I've seen a track changes comparison of the two on Twitter. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2022 #227
hey Mike, the next time your friend call to hang you DonCoquixote Jun 2022 #228
Mike has gone back to the Dark Side, he lives for your hatred. n/t AntiFascist Jun 2022 #229
It's only been three weeks Polybius Jul 2022 #230
Three weeks since the formal release. But we've known since the decision was leaked. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2022 #231
 

SoFloDenny

(58 posts)
73. Unfathomable what is happening in our country.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:06 AM
Jun 2022

Obergefell is next.
Let's see:
1. Guns
2. Abortion
3. Marriage
4. Coups
5. .........
If only....Hillary!

Pete Ross Junior

(404 posts)
80. Directly as a result of Trump.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jun 2022

I'm not one to "blame everything" on Trump, but this is 100% on him.

It's Trump's court.

Bengus81

(6,933 posts)
113. What did Kavenaugh say when grilled about Roe vs Wade in the hearings?
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:31 AM
Jun 2022

Something like it would stay the "law of the land" or some such??

LYING FUCKERS.................

calimary

(81,507 posts)
149. Yep. All three of 'em lied about it.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:18 PM
Jun 2022

Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett. Three blind lice. They were asked. They bobbed and weaved, as we used to say in sparring class.

Women will die.

What a shitty thing to wake up to.

Polybius

(15,489 posts)
189. Barrett actually refused to say that it was precedent
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jun 2022

This should have been a bigger deal during the hearings.

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
197. We can correctly lay blame at the feet of 40 years of creeping Republican fascism. That said,
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:04 PM
Jun 2022

we the grassroots are responsible for retaining our freedoms and Democracy. Or Not!
The fix will not come from the top; our system is crippled by corruption right now.

Massive, grassroots-movement coalitions which allow courageous leaders to rise and speak of radical ideals of extensive human rights guarantees, restructured politics and economies, and where everyone gets a living wage to flourish. This is a tall order for a society which does not like to be inconvenienced. If we do not demand the freedoms rightly ours, precisely, consistently, in mass. They will,all disappear.

azureblue

(2,152 posts)
145. what they did
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:10 PM
Jun 2022

was impose a religious law upon America. The whole anti abortion dogma is based upon a religious belief, and not even one from the Bible. In fact the Bible says that life begins at first breath, and says when it is OK to abort.
So:
This contradicts the laws of other religions. IOW the SC favors one religion over another with this ruling
The ruling is built on states' right, so now, the court cannot turn around and impose federal laws about gun control on the states.
The SC is going to get its ass kicked when the states sue it. This is the beginning of the end of the GOP

calimary

(81,507 posts)
153. I WISH it the beginning of the end of the GOP.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:25 PM
Jun 2022

Gee whiz - does it matter if you vote?

If THIS isn’t enough to convince somebody about that, our country is truly a lost cause.

melm00se

(4,996 posts)
71. A what?
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

There is one solution to this issue:

propose and ratify an amendment covering abortion.

Once it becomes enshrined in the Constitution, sweeps aside this statement:

Held: The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion...

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
117. Agreed
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jun 2022

To answer the ratification question - just ask the similar question - today could you get 2/3rd of the Senate to agree to it.

L-

Botany

(70,588 posts)
4. All right expect a huge turn out of women voters and those of us who love them.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:16 AM
Jun 2022

Vote Blue in twenty twenty two.

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
23. Hell, don't forget Loving v Virginia.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:29 AM
Jun 2022

Obergefell v Hodges is obviously toast, too. If not this session, then soon.

-- Mal

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
50. Couldn't agree more.....all they need is some right wing fascist governor let's say in Florida....
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jun 2022

say that all the seniors don't need Medicare because that agency should be dismantled and turned over to the states, because we don't need a Congress delegating expertise for seniors needs and creating an agency for their needs and protection, we, the states know what is best for them....because this ruling basically says that ....for everything...

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
63. And this shit just came down from SCOTUS
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:59 AM
Jun 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-rules-against-davita-over-dialysis-coverage-2022-06-21/
U.S. Supreme Court rules against DaVita over dialysis coverage

June 21 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected dialysis provider DaVita Inc's (DVA.N) claims that an Ohio hospital's employee health plan discriminates against patients with end-stage kidney disease by reimbursing them at low rates in hopes they would switch to Medicare.

In a 7-2 decision authored by conservative Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the court ruled that Marietta Memorial Hospital's employee health plan did not violate federal law by limiting benefits for outpatient dialysis because it did so without regard to whether patients had end-stage renal disease. A lower court had ruled in favor of Denver-based DaVita.


As a transplant patient, I may be fucked if I ever have to go on dialysis.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
72. My dad was on dialysis for many years
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

I had a transplant nearly 30 years ago, so I'm expecting that I'll need dialysis at some point in the future.

Marthe48

(17,031 posts)
94. I hope your transplant keeps working
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jun 2022

My best friend had a kidney transplant almost 6 years ago. I was her caretaker and spent a lot of time at Cleveland Clinic during her surgery and recovery. I chatted with people who had had a transplant that failed, and they were getting or had gotten another organ. Maybe the insurance coverage is better now. I just read that there is a new transplant method which might not need lifelong anti-rejection meds. And I read awhile back there is a mechanical kidney that is either very promising or on the market.

Best of luck to you. It is a tough health problem.

MMH didn't have very good employee ins. I worked there for a couple of years, and opted to stay on my husband's ins.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
101. Thank you!
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:24 AM
Jun 2022

My mom is my donor and she'd over 90 now! And she's got good genes. So, knock on wood, the kidney will keep working for a while.

SKKY

(11,823 posts)
10. Everyone who said their vote doesn't matter, well, here you go.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:21 AM
Jun 2022

Trump won the election by 87K votes. 87K VOTES!!! Fuck off, and kindly stay fucked off.

jonstl08

(412 posts)
29. anti hillary voters
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:32 AM
Jun 2022

Hope all those people who did not like Hillary and either voted for Trump or did not vote are happy now. Know a lot of them who said if anybody else would have been the nominee they would have voted for that person instead of Trump.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
60. And IIRC Biden won by even fewer if you look at combined margins in PA, GA, AZ
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jun 2022

Not that this factoid does anything but confirm your thesis, but it's interesting to note

SKKY

(11,823 posts)
192. And to add an additional point...
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:54 PM
Jun 2022

Alito, Gorsich, Comey-Barret, and Kavanaugh were all nominated to the SC by a president who lost the popular vote. Just sayin...

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
107. Hillary did receive almost 3,000,000 more votes but
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jun 2022

another of our anti-democratic peculiar institutions, the electoral college, ignored that. The Constitution Can, and Is, being used to destroy Democracy and the Nation.

Omnipresent

(5,722 posts)
83. For RBG, it was about being relevant while she was alive.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jun 2022

She didn’t want to step down when she should have, so for her part or selfishness, we are all going to pay the price.

Response to wryter2000 (Reply #120)

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
171. Can no one read sarcasm here?
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:16 PM
Jun 2022

Good grief, y'all let the swipe at her stand, but when I respond with obvious sarcasm to it, you go after me.

Response to wryter2000 (Reply #171)

Response to Omnipresent (Reply #151)

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #173)

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
181. I remember her saying at the time
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:24 PM
Jun 2022

That Obama would never have gotten anyone with her philosophy through the Senate.

Response to wryter2000 (Reply #181)

Response to wryter2000 (Reply #185)

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
170. It was sarcasm
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jun 2022

I thought you'd get that from the context. I was responding so someone who'd made her look shallow.

Response to wryter2000 (Reply #170)

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
177. Thank you for your reaction, though
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:22 PM
Jun 2022

I was beginning to think I was the only one who didn't enjoy ragging on RBG.

Response to wryter2000 (Reply #177)

cilla4progress

(24,774 posts)
89. I agree..but now that's out of our
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jun 2022

system...

She probably thought we were on an upward trajectory, like the rest of us did.

Can never take ANYTHING for granted!!

JohnSJ

(92,418 posts)
115. No. It started with Ralph Nader and the Green Party in 2000, and was finalized in 2016 when the SC
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:32 AM
Jun 2022

the issue

What did they think would happen?

Blaming it, even a little bit on RBG, ignores the fact that McConnell had successfully blocked President Obama’s Court appointment, and also ignores the fact that enough people didn’t care about this issue in critical swing states to vote for Hillary

The only way those people who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 by either not voting, or voting third party is to vote Democratic every subsequent election, until we can overturn these draconian SC decisions

In the meantime, states like California are moving to help those from backward states who want an abortion, to help provide access for all women with the right to choose


Lonestarblue

(10,084 posts)
136. Had she stepped down, Mitch McConnell would not have allowed her position to be filled.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:56 AM
Jun 2022

Just as he did with Merrick Garland. I’m sure that RBG knew this.

Polybius

(15,489 posts)
191. Mitch didn't become Majority Leader until January 2013
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:46 PM
Jun 2022

But RGB shouldn't have to retire until she was ready, that I agree with.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
210. There's a wide gulf between "shouldn't have to"
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:47 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2022, 01:18 AM - Edit history (1)

And “it would be wise to”.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
124. Facts aren't always helpful.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:45 AM
Jun 2022

Invoking RBG’s legacy right now isn’t that helpful either. The post was a response to that.

Torchlight

(3,361 posts)
156. That's certainly one opinion
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:26 PM
Jun 2022

Quite vague, but I'd guess many opinions, by necessity of appearance, are also.

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
199. A 5-4 decision to allow the MS law to stand
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:14 PM
Jun 2022

But not to get rid of the recognition of a right to choose.

A huge difference when the overwhelming majority of abortions occur before that 15 week line but many states will now move the line up far beyond that (or outlaw the practice entirely)

wilson2792

(6 posts)
86. Stayed too long
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:13 AM
Jun 2022

She should have retired when Obama was President. She is partly responsible for this decision.

JohnSJ

(92,418 posts)
123. and of course it is convenient to ignore how McConnel blocked President Obama's SC nominee for over
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jun 2022

a year, and those so-called progressives who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 by either voting third party, or not voting in those critical swing states

Hillary lost by less than 1% in those critical swing states, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those swing states. It didn’t take much.

and of course we should not forget 2000 with Ralph Nader and the Green Party

This was entirely predictable, and it had nothing to do with RBG

The SC was at stake in 2016, and enough people didn’t care




wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
131. What would have been different if we had one more justice?
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:50 AM
Jun 2022

And I’m not responsible for any of this. But WTG being collegial.

Response to wryter2000 (Reply #104)

Response to wilson2792 (Reply #86)

berniesandersmittens

(11,345 posts)
201. She is NOT even remotely responsible for this
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jun 2022

Blame McConnell who refused to let Obama pick a justice
Blame Kennedy for retiring and letting dump pick a justice
Blame christofascists
Blame the gop
Blame the federalist society


But do not place blame on our heroes. Especially RBG.

Response to The Grand Illuminist (Reply #12)

TeamProg

(6,250 posts)
13. Wealthy Republican daughters will still be able to get an abortion. But there is now more exposure.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:23 AM
Jun 2022

PRIVACY may have also been thrown out the window.

BumRushDaShow

(129,526 posts)
15. WaPo
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:24 AM
Jun 2022
Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years has protected the right to abortion

The Supreme Court has struck down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years has protected the right to abortion.

The decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health was the most anticipated of the court’s term, with political tension surrounding the fight over abortion erupting in May with the leak of a draft opinion indicating a majority of justices intended to end the long-standing precedent.

The justices were considering a Mississippi law that would ban almost all abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The law had not taken effect because lower courts said it was at odds with the right to abortion established in Roe v. Wade in 1973 and affirmed by subsequent Supreme Court rulings.

Those decisions held that states may not impose restrictions on a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy before viability — the point when a fetus could survive outside the womb, usually around 24 weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/24/supreme-court-abortion-ruling/

Comfortably_Numb

(3,827 posts)
16. So Alito's reliance on a 17th century witch burning misogynistic is now the law of the land.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:24 AM
Jun 2022

Shithole country. If I wanted to be a gd catholic I would become a gd catholic. Fuck these lying zealots.

Backseat Driver

(4,399 posts)
109. Did your friend want an abortion?
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:27 AM
Jun 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_spectrum_disorder - So...nope - buy her a few rounds!

We have Safe Harbor for babies in this state! Firemen better arrange to put out more bassinets!

nycbos

(6,038 posts)
220. Sorry you misunderstood my post.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:23 AM
Jun 2022

Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

My "friend" is me. I am a proud male supporter of choice and I am extremely depressed by the news.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
18. I'm crying.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:25 AM
Jun 2022

The potential ramifications of this in terms of women’s reproduction are staggering.

Fuck the lying SCOTUS and fuck this country.

bucolic_frolic

(43,305 posts)
19. Destroying SCOTUS credibility in the process, what was 'not-A' yesterday is 'yes-A' today
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:26 AM
Jun 2022

Reality turned on its head. We are a nation of SCOTUS lies.

wnylib

(21,613 posts)
79. What recourse is there
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jun 2022

when the Supreme Court rulings themselves are unconstitutional?

Expanding the court just makes it likely that the fascists will also expand it when they have the WH and Congress.

But, since this was an originalist decision, let's go back to the original number of SC members, which was 6. Make the last 3 appointments invalid and remove them.

Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #19)

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
20. Among other things, this should dispell protests of Roberts's "integrity."
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:26 AM
Jun 2022

The more charitable have been going through all sorts of contortions to try to prove that Mr Justice Roberts is concerned with his "legacy," and preserving the integrity of the Court. But here he makes sure to vote with the reactionaries, not casting a symbolic dissent because he knows the decision will pass anyway. I submit that tells us where his real sympathies lie.

-- Mal

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
45. He's a rethuglican
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jun 2022

before he is a Chief Justice.

I never believed that 'integrity' BS. It was always intended for media consumption and repetition.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
68. Please don't use that word that starts with C
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jun 2022

It does have a meaning which doesn’t apply here, and it’s the fascist right’s favorite insult.

Bastards or fuckheads work just as well.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
165. Bastard: Born to parents who are not married to each other
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:59 PM
Jun 2022

Strange how you are upset about one insult but then propose another insult that is actually directed against an innocent party.

BumRushDaShow

(129,526 posts)
22. NYT
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:28 AM
Jun 2022
After a leak, the Supreme Court details its final decision on abortion.


WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday overruled Roe v. Wade, eliminating the constitutional right to abortion after almost 50 years in a decision that will transform American life, reshape the nation’s politics and lead to all but total bans on the procedure in about half of the states.

The ruling will test the legitimacy of the court and vindicate a decades-long Republican project of installing conservative justices prepared to reject the precedent, which had been repeatedly reaffirmed by earlier courts. It will also be one of the signal legacies of President Donald J. Trump, who vowed to name justices who would overrule Roe. All three of his appointees were in the majority in the 6-to-3 ruling.

The decision, which echoed a leaked draft opinion published by Politico in early May, will result in a starkly divided country in which abortion is severely restricted or forbidden in many red states but remains freely available in most blue ones. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. voted with the majority but said he would have taken “a more measured course,” stopping short of overruling Roe outright. The court’s three liberal members dissented.

The case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, No. 19-1392, concerned a law enacted in 2018 by the Republican-dominated Mississippi Legislature that banned abortions if “the probable gestational age of the unborn human” was determined to be more than 15 weeks. The statute, a calculated challenge to Roe, included narrow exceptions for medical emergencies or “a severe fetal abnormality.” Mississippi’s sole abortion clinic sued, saying the law ran afoul of Roe and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the 1992 decision that affirmed Roe’s core holding.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/20/us/roe-wade-abortion-supreme-court/roe-wade-overturned-supreme-court

madville

(7,412 posts)
91. Some women
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:16 AM
Jun 2022

I live in a red state, majority of women I know/am related to are adamantly “pro-life”, already seen some celebrating on Facebook.

Bengus81

(6,933 posts)
130. Yeah,they think during Prohibition NO ONE had one sip of alcohol.......
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:49 AM
Jun 2022

No they had plenty to drink,and gangs,deaths etc all from that idiot law. Abortion will continue,and no longer be safe. There will be deaths but they don't care.

Paladin

(28,275 posts)
40. It takes great ANGER and STRATEGY.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jun 2022

The kind of anger and strategy the Republicans have been employing, for the last 50 years. This is what Democrats get, for playing with a set of obsolete good conduct rules for the last 50 years.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,336 posts)
62. No one is fighting their fight, that is exactly the problem.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:57 AM
Jun 2022

They are will sacrifice their own for their authoritive vision, has been done since Reagan.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
46. And we will have it.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:48 AM
Jun 2022

At the ballot box in November. Beat every single, solitary Republican candidate over the head with this...and gun violence.

Response to paleotn (Reply #46)

Scalded Nun

(1,240 posts)
25. So how many of those 6 actually lied, under oath, stating RvW they would not support overturning RvW.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:30 AM
Jun 2022

I doubt they would be charged with perjury anyway.

Again, I say...to all those who vote maybe every 4 years and not in any local, state or off-year federal elections - FUCK YOU!

This is just the tip. There is a freight train coming and it is going to roll over anyone it wants to. To the red state citizens...Enjoy the moment. You will eventually be lined up in its cross-hairs as well. Then whatcha gonna do?

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
100. Yes I'm 100% spending the rest of the (prolly) entire fucking year
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:23 AM
Jun 2022

Waiting with baited breath to hear from Concerned Susan Collins. When I do, the ONLY thing we had better hear are the words 'I'm so sorry, and I resign'.

Botany

(70,588 posts)
26. 6 Justices who should not be on the court
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:30 AM
Jun 2022

6 Justices who should not be on the court

Roberts see bush v Gore
Alito see bush v Gore & OH 2004
Thomas see Anita Hill
Gorsch see Mitch McConnell and Russia 2016
Kavanaugh see Russia 2016 and the FBI not investigating the 4,000 + tips about his behavior
Amy Coney Island see Russia 2016 see 2020 election was going on at the time ... the same reason McConnell gave for
blocking Merrick Garland

The Heritage Foundation/Judicial Crisis Network have been working on packing the courts for years so the
minority can control the majority.

KPN

(15,661 posts)
121. Great summary. It shows the stark difference in
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jun 2022

personalities of the two parties. The Rethugs are rat fuckers. What does that make us? To them, patsies.

This is so fucking frustrating.

KPN

(15,661 posts)
138. And now they have the SCOTUS to ensure they
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jun 2022

can ultimately maintain an expand that power, even when overtly cheating. ….

Frustrating and infuriating. Their goal is to roll back to the 1920’s.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
47. ...but gas prices
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

The reality is people vote their pocketbooks. People won't get angry about this until we've had a decade of horror stories.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,618 posts)
28. I'm sorry I'm running late getting this updated, but things are kind of hectic.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:32 AM
Jun 2022

Please add links to other media outlets.

Thanks.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
51. She's doomed in 2026.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jun 2022

The southern half of Maine won't stand for it. Up north in tater land? Who cares. It will be nearly empty by then other than a few, stray tater farmers.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
38. Hey Alito......in 1973 the people and a person named Roe had to have this taken out of the
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:42 AM
Jun 2022

hands of the state representatives for a reason.....it was because of the privacy issue for that person, that person was named Roe instead of Doe, which is in the Constitution jerk, she had a right to privacy....or does this comment from you and your religious doctrine say other wise....oh yeah, your ilk say's that the separation of church and state should also be dismantled....


Justice Samuel Alito declared, “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Your federalist society court has awaken a sleeping giant.......

BumRushDaShow

(129,526 posts)
98. They have tried
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:21 AM
Jun 2022

but just like what almost torpedoed the ACA thanks to Bart Stupak and the radical anti-women nuts, there are still too many anti-choice Democrats out there.

iscooterliberally

(2,863 posts)
41. The "Federaliarist Society" has done what it came to do.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jun 2022

They all lied under oath on video before the entire country to get their jobs. They should be removed from the court. I know that won't happen, but they just trashed the supreme court with their lies.

WestMichRad

(1,340 posts)
112. Sorry, but I disagree.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jun 2022

There’s a lot more damage that they plan to do. Lots of work needed for them to return us to 18th century law, ya know.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
43. Deal with them like Lincoln dealt with the Roger Taney court....
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:46 AM
Jun 2022

NY State intends to ignore them on guns. I'm all for it. If a Republican Congress takes Dobbs, runs with it and outlaws reproductive rights, nullify it. I know, I'm being inconsistent, but I don't give a shit.

If there was one shred of doubt Proposal 5 would pass in VT this year, forget it. It's a shoe in and will enshrine reproductive rights in the VT Constitution. Now, Repulitrash, come take it!!

Think Alito is bad. Roger Taney, chief justice of SCOTUS actually wrote the Dred Scott decision.

Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
59. How did Lincoln deal with
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jun 2022

The Dred Scott decision? James Buchanan was president when that decision came down. I'm confused.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
159. Lincoln didn't deal directly with Dred Scott, he dealt with a southern sympathizing SCOTUS.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:44 PM
Jun 2022

led by Chief Justice Roger Taney, a Marylander and southern sympathizer who refused to resign and tried to tie Lincoln's hands in time of civil war in ways that would benefit the Confederacy. Particularly with regard to habeas corpus and other issues. Lincoln countered with non-acquiescence. and ignored the court's rulings until Taney finally just gave up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonacquiescence

Taney died in 1864. There was such bad blood between them that Lincoln refused to even mention Taney's passing or attend his funeral. Unusual for the time and certainly for Lincoln. He replaced him by appointing Salmon P. Chase. That and 4 other Lincoln appointments turned the court from night to day.

Dred Scott became mute by the 14th Amendment.

In short, history may not repeat, but it does rhyme. We've been here before in many ways.

paleotn

(17,989 posts)
161. For all practical purposes, yes.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:49 PM
Jun 2022

Back then African Americans were citizens in some northern states, chattel throughout the south. Whole lot of parallels in my mind.

minstrel76

(83 posts)
49. Well, I guess it's game over.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

Now that this has finally happened, I have something to get off my chest: To everyone who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016: You are to blame for this. That is all.

Traildogbob

(8,821 posts)
52. CNN and MSNBC
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jun 2022

Seems focused on showing exhilaration of (PRO life???) people high fiving and cheering the decision. Many many women. And for fucks sake, men. I am not so sure this will become a slam dunk for Dems in the mids. What the Court has done in a few weeks, and watch what’s coming, birth control, mixed race marriage guns guns guns and government funded Jesus education is just firing up the right. Add in the voter suppression and electoral turnover for Dem
Wins, Im not so sure we can ever win against. Take off the gloves, get ready to get dirty and fuck ever saying “friends across the aisle”, ever again. Any friend of mine is not actively out to destroy democracy and welcome fascism and woman control. The fight of our life, much more important than any war I served through. I stand with the women of choice, sick of those women cheering other women losing their rights. Almost hope they…….never mind. Keep that to myself.

Marthe48

(17,031 posts)
81. All of the media covers the r's
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:10 AM
Jun 2022

Like a continuous Jerry Springer show. I don't watch either. F**K them all.

Traildogbob

(8,821 posts)
139. 🤜🤛🖕🏿🖕🏾🖕🏽🖕🏼🖕🐘💩💩💩 and MSM
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jun 2022

And Andrea Mitchell. Fuck them with a chain saw with a crooked chain bar and Rusty chain with a 30” bar, and no bar oil. Slowly.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
54. So ignorance wins.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jun 2022

Women will still have abortions, many will die from it. Women who have been told it is too risky to continue a pregnancy will die. Babies that cannot survive after birth will suffer until they do.

This court (and I will not use the S word in front of that) have decided that a group of cells unable to survive outside a woman's body is more important than the woman.


Is the fact they did this the day after the gun vote in the Senate surprising?????

Rapists and those who commit incest won....women are lower class citizens...they (not me I am too old) have no rights to their own bodies.

When I was in college...before Roe, I contributed money so a classmate could travel to another state for an abortion.

I have a lot more money now....

suegeo

(2,573 posts)
55. So I'm a second class citizen...
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:52 AM
Jun 2022

Ward of the state.

Supreme Court Clerics appointed by republicans who didn't win their elections.
One, Putin's puppet.

States can do whatever they want to women.

I hate republicans.

I AM SHIT THROWING ANGRY.

bucolic_frolic

(43,305 posts)
61. How is FORCED BIRTH not slavery, kidnapping, and unlawful detention?
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

Today's ruling is insane in so many ways? We need to litigate? There are lawyers that can turn these arguments on their ears

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
66. Any comment I could make at this moment will just infuriate the Christian apologists among us.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:01 AM
Jun 2022

So gee thanks.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,145 posts)
69. Our retaliation begins at the ballot box.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:03 AM
Jun 2022

Oh yeah. SCOTUS also ended voting rights.

The radical right is so pious and brazenly unconstitutional.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
88. FUCK THOSE MOTHERFUCKING SHITHOLE RIGHT WING SCOTUS ASSHOLES!
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jun 2022

Fuck them all straight to motherfucking hell.

Motherfucking motherfuckers.

bahboo

(16,359 posts)
96. classic overreach....
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jun 2022

hopefully the blowback will be very intense. If this doesn't GOTV, I don't know what will....

RevBrotherThomas

(838 posts)
99. In Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion...
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:23 AM
Jun 2022

"...we should consider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold Lawrence and Obergefell."

I wonder why the good Justice didn't include "Loving v Virginia" in this list.

Odd...

CaptainTruth

(6,602 posts)
105. Words cannot express how angry I am right now
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jun 2022



I will note that yesterday SCOTUS also ruled that everyone has a right to concealed carry a gun, so every protester in front of every place a SCOTUS justice goes has the to be armed. Consequences of their own actions.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
106. Crediting Jeri Taylor, profound:
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:26 AM
Jun 2022

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Jeri Taylor via "Captain Jean-Luc Picard"
How many have to get gobsmacked with reality- finding fetuses in dumpsters, unintentional suicides via coat hanger, incalculable damages like these to bear all over again. "Pro-life" can only rejoice with blinders on.

Marthe48

(17,031 posts)
127. I read years ago that abortion would never be illegal again
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jun 2022

because the fight made money for people on both sides of the fence. I thought that made sense. This ruling just reinforces my belief that the r.w.n.j who made this ruling are not fit to be on the bench. The entire majority (6) are unfit to judge a pie contest, let alone what the U.S. Constitution means. F**K all 6.

Get rid of the 3 illegally seated robe fillers, and the hopelessly compromised 4th. What the hell, get rid of all of the liars. Or expand the court and dilute their vitriol.

 

d_b

(7,463 posts)
132. It's only the tyranny of the minority
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jun 2022

If you let them. Dem leadership needs to stop fucking around and make a decision: confront this fascism or surrender to it.

AllaN01Bear

(18,432 posts)
134. and on sat too. grr. time to expand . time to reform or time to shut down the hack. go after the
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jun 2022

lying hacks .

mwb970

(11,366 posts)
135. So the dog finally caught the car.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:55 AM
Jun 2022

Now what? In an instant the republican party lost its #1 unifying issue, leaving only unlimited guns, guns, guns to hold the party together. Meanwhile, they have handed the Democrats their best unifying issue in many and many a year. Maybe they will do the same with guns!

About 10% of the public and about 66% of the Supreme Court wanted Roe overturned. Minority rule has scored another victory. May it be short-lived.

Vinca

(50,309 posts)
142. Not surprised, but very sad it has come to this. I hope this puts an end to the meme
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:03 PM
Jun 2022

"both parties are the same so I'm not going to vote."

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
148. No surprise, but a pyrrhic victory
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:16 PM
Jun 2022

The vast majority of women aren't going back. Oh, there are the ultra religious women, but they are a minority. Those suburban women the GOP wants back? Kiss them goodbye.

I think this decision nearly guarantees Dems will not only keep, but expand their majority in the House and get the extra votes needed to end the filibuster in the Senate. Once that happens, Biden will expand SCOTUS to 13, 1 for each of the 13 US circuit courts, legislation making abortion legal will pass and the country will be set on a path forward to a better future.

AncientOfDays

(164 posts)
214. eventually
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jun 2022

eventually it will require a Constitutional Amendment. This court or a court like it will find some pretext to negate or overturn any legislation guaranteeing a right to abortion. It won't be easy - it took 11 years and a war to go from Dred Scott to citizenship for blacks.

But let's hope (and work for) the scenario you posit.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
215. Sooner rather than later
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:21 AM
Jun 2022

Jmho, but too many refuse to recognize the strong libertarian streak in Americans. Most of the time it's dormant, but there are times when that "you're not telling me what to do" attitude really kicks in. This, to me, is one of them.

Heck, even Trump believes overturning Roe hurts Rs

dlk

(11,578 posts)
154. Republican women-haters may have won this battle
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:25 PM
Jun 2022

They will ultimately lose this war. American women are not going back.

Martin68

(22,890 posts)
155. I'm curious to know if the reasoning is any better than the leaked draft. That was so bad it was
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:25 PM
Jun 2022

embarrassing. Quoting witch burners exposed the true source of the forced-birth movement.

amb123

(1,581 posts)
163. The Hanger Judges
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:52 PM
Jun 2022
Roberts, Alito, Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Thomas will now be forever known in history as The Hanger Judges.

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
166. The Christian Religion did this
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:06 PM
Jun 2022

They are the ones who think their imaginary daddy in the sky gives human zygotes magical powers and special privileges to use an autonomous adult's body against their will. Though their magical stories don't really say that....if they ever bother to read their bible and not just listen to their TV billionaire thieving preachers.

This is what happens when religion is allowed to force their magical, supernatural, made up crap onto everyone.

Bunch of superstitious monkeys making up stories about things their tiny brains can't understand. And a lot of them still sit on the US Supremely Religious Court.

ultralite001

(894 posts)
178. SCOTUS has circled their wagons in a RTump-wise direction...
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:23 PM
Jun 2022

Like a magician on stage, the Supreme Court has used some serious misdirection to upstage the findings
of the Jan 6 committee...

The Court has employed the “dead cat strategy” (During an awkward dinner party conversation, toss a dead cat
into the mix. Folks will be outraged, but the subject will successfully be changed).

RTump had a knack for producing dead cats whenever he wanted, and the Supreme Court has become one of the RTumpster's kitties... and has overturned Roe v Wade...

Organizing against the Court's decision re: Roe... will take time, energy, money, and people power... Organizing
to get out the vote, state by state... will take time, energy, money, and people power... Time that will draw attention
away from investigation of the RTumpster's attempts to seize absolute power over each and every American citizen.

America must not lose sight of what is at stake... America must not be taken in by the opposition's patter. This is not
simply legal sleight of hand... It is not a simple matter of women losing their right to choose...

Democracy, the rule of law, and the right of each and every American to determine its own destiny is imperiled...

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Lanius

(601 posts)
188. This just reinforces my anger at my liberal and progressive friends
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:36 PM
Jun 2022

You know, many of these folks just couldn’t vote for Clinton because she was no different than Trump in their delusional minds.

At the same time, I really hope this motivates the voters to turn out in November to keep the House and Senate in Democratic hands.

electric_blue68

(14,946 posts)
195. I just got up... So they frikkin' went and did it! ...
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jun 2022
.





(of course, I know it's been like that for some women previously 😔 )

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
202. So sick of the hateful fucking christo-fascists who are ruining our country.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:17 PM
Jun 2022

We need to quarantine them from poser by voting them from office everywhere.

electric_blue68

(14,946 posts)
205. The Constitution does talk about Liberty - where's the Liberty for women when they can't decide when
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:25 PM
Jun 2022

...to, or if to have children!


Fuck you McConnell for preventing Obama's nominee, 2016 third party voters, "they're the same" voters, non voters, Drumph, and his sCourt nominees!!!

Arrrrggggg!

IronLionZion

(45,534 posts)
208. We can use it to drive turnout from our side this election
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:37 PM
Jun 2022

elect enough Dems to codify it into law and then approve liberal judges next time we have that opportunity.

Bayard

(22,157 posts)
212. Did they announce this now,
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:54 PM
Jun 2022

To distract from the Jan. 6 hearings?

Okay. So, what's the process for increasing the number on the SC?

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
218. We are a fascist nation
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:22 AM
Jun 2022

Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. wiki

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
221. This is basically driven by religious conservatives.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:40 PM
Jun 2022

It is the result of the Republicans embracement of the Protestant Fundamentalists and Catholic who are basically loyal papalists who are in minority but are a powerful block due to their solidarity. As was remarked, they are "useful idiots" who the Republicans have embraced solely to win elections. They are the ones who show up to vote and have effectively negated Democratic candidates especially in local off year elections.

I attended four local fundamentalists church services to gain some understanding of their importance. Basically, you are unwanted if you don't support Republican candidates who promised to represent their beliefs. The fundamentalists are gaining in membership at the expense of more moderate Catholics and Protestant adherents. I can attest from my experience as a Catholic who attended Catholic schools through high school, that those who remained in the church, for the most part, were stanchly and blindly loyal to the church's doctrine without question. Amy Coney is a prime example of their unquestionable adherence to Catholic doctrines dictated by the hierarchy. They are determined to hang on as millions of Catholics headed for the door when the hierarchy demanded strict compliance with the church's medieval mentality in regard to sexual teachings. Take my family for example. I have twenty-three nieces and nephews, most of whom attended Catholic schools through high school, of which only two still active church members.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
224. Timing. The damdable "convenient" timing of this.
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:02 PM
Jun 2022

Like conservatives needed something to move the headlines to some other hot button issue. 1/6 hearings getting a little too uncomfortably close to home?
Gee, what could their good friends on the court do about that?

pfitz59

(10,391 posts)
225. I met a 40-ish woman today who did not know what the coat-hanger signified
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:04 PM
Jun 2022

Her generation never had to resort to it.

Shoonra

(523 posts)
226. Has anyone bothered ....
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:37 PM
Jun 2022

Has anyone bothered to compare the final version of the Dobbs decision with the 'February' version that was leaked two monnths ago??

Any changes between the February draft and the final version might be significant.

Clarence Thomas is right, Alito is wrong, that overruling Roe v. Wade and rejecting the notion of a constitutional right of privacy opens up contraception, same sex intimacy and same sex marriage to re-evaluation and possible prohibition.

The Republican Party has turned completely around since 1964 when Barry Goldwater was a member of Planned Parenthood and the John Birch Society thought stare decisis came down from Mount Sinai (but specifically for Plessy v. Ferguson when it was overturned by Brown v. Board of Ed). Back then the Conservatives opposed Medicare because it means govt intrusion between doctor and patient .... now, not so much.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,618 posts)
227. Yes, I've seen a track changes comparison of the two on Twitter.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:21 AM
Jun 2022

Where, though?

This is as close as I can come now.

SUPREME COURT

What changed from Justice Alito’s draft opinion to final ruling on Roe

Justice Samuel Alito used his rewrite to take shots at Chief Justice John Roberts and liberal dissenters.

By KELLY HOOPER

06/24/2022 04:19 PM EDT

{snip}


JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,369 posts)
231. Three weeks since the formal release. But we've known since the decision was leaked.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 04:25 PM
Jul 2022

And we've suspected since Garland was denied a vote in the Senate.

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