Biden doesn't support expanding the Supreme Court, White House says
Source: ABC News
President Joe Biden remains unmoved on the issue of court expansion, the White House said, despite his criticism of the Supreme Court rulings handed down this week on gun rights and abortion.
"That is something that the president does not agree with," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters aboard Air Force One on Saturday when asked about such a reform. "That is not something that he wants to do."
Democrats and activists are floating the idea after the high court expanded gun rights and did away with 50 years of precedent to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Sen. Ed Markey of Massachusetts and others expressly called for expanding the court in the wake of the decision on abortion access.
Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/biden-support-expanding-supreme-court-white-house/story%3fid=85703773
Delphinus
(11,830 posts)any reasons why he is not in favor of expanding - does anyone know?
d_b
(7,463 posts)on why a fascist minority is allowed to terrorize the republic?
Im at this stage with our leadership
https://m.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)the midterm. Try voting instead of expecting the Democratic leadership to save us...we need to save ourselves.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)Hi there! Thank YOU!
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TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)In 2016, some of "us" didn't bother, in part because of unrealistic expectations or intentional ignorance.
That's one reason why we're here in 2022.
Threads like this one demonstrate similar tendencies.
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Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)In states where Crosscheck was used, the ratio of voters removed from the roles to Trump's margin of victory were as high as 30:1.
And that was just *one* of many voter suppression tactics Republicans had in play in 2016.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)in terms of the outcome as voting for Republicans. Some Democrats don't bother to vote in midterms. Some demand that their vote is 'earned' and refuse to vote if they don't get a pony...it was the lack of loyal Democratic voters voting for Democrats in every damn election that got us where we are today. If we had elected Gore in 2000, we would not have had Roberts or Alito appointed to SCOTUS.
If we had elected Hillary Clinton, we would not have had Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, or Amy Coney Barrett appointed to the SCOTUS...that is five justices that all voted to overturn Roe, get rid of Miranda, and not allow new evidence to be used in situations involving death row prisoners. And there is worse coming I fear. Consider that Greens and Justice Democrats and other third-party riffraff cost us five Supreme court justices and Roe. Until we vote Democratic in every damn election and abandon the notion that third parties have any role to play in our party and are not 'allies', we will continue to lose...time is short. The Republic is on the chopping block.
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Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)vote for the Democratic candidate posting shit...and our voters didn't show up in 10 for President Obama which cost us the House because they didn't get a public option...they didn't show up again in 14 because they were so unhappy with Obama...one Duer called him a used car salesman at the time which cost us a Senate seat...and of course with a SCOTUS pick on the table...they whined about threatening them with the courts. The 'but her email crowd' not showing up for Hillary Played a huge role in the Roe debacle. But then we also should consider Gore. The Greens and other left-leaning voters fucked that up for us too. And two justices appointed by Bush II voted to overturn Roe. It is a fucking travesty.
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)Gore won and would have been president if all the votes in Florida had been counted. But the Supremely Religious Court ruled to stop counting the votes in Florida. They went against what the Florida Supreme Court had ruled.
And Gore had more votes nation wide too.
It was allowing the vote to be stolen from Gore by W, and his Daddy's Supremes, that gave the presidency to W. The voters did their job; the political system failed their job. There should have been a huge fight then but instead all we got was a whimper.
The Supremely Religious Court has been in the religiously insane part of crazytown ever since.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)whether they won it or stole...the Greens and those who did not vote for Gore are completely to blame. And two justices voted to end Roe as a result. Fuck Nader and the Green Party...Green= get republicans elected every November. Instead of the need to 'fall in love', Democrats need to consider the repercussions of not voting for the Democratic candidate in every damn election, and of course, they need to consider the courts.
Farmer-Rick
(10,170 posts)It was just that no one really cared. He won but even he seemed reluctant to stand up to the Supremely Religious Court to keep his win.
The Court's ruling was outside it's authority. "It is virtually unprecedented for the Supreme Court of the United States to arrogate to itself the authority to overrule a state supreme court on a matter of state law. This is an extraordinary assertion of federal judicial power." Also Article II does not grant the Justices of the United States Supreme Court "any special authority to substitute their views for those of the state judiciary on matters of state law."" https://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/777777122240/
The Supremely Religious Court was wrong but no one really wanted to stand up to the court gone to crazytown.
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PortTack
(32,767 posts)Lose the country to a RW cult. We wont survive more freedoms being striped away
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)PortTack
(32,767 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)If they're much better for the 118th Congress, he can then "evolve."
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)PatrickforB
(14,574 posts)to lower the eligibility age for Medicare, forcing me to have to incur HEALTH CARE DEBT at age 63, coupled with the gun ruling, the reversal of the KKK rule forcing cops to read the Miranda rights to people they arrest, and finally this current travesty.
The American electorate is profoundly ignorant - oh, many can tell you every nuance of their favorite sports team, and each of its players, and provide a very sophisticated analysis of their season chances, but don't even know we have three branches of government.
We have the constant barrage of hate-talk radio, which has brainwashed up to 20 or 25 million Americans, and let's not forget the corporate media and its shareholder-profit-driven 'news' coverage. In addition, there are now over 390 million guns in this country, and most are owned by right-wing militia groups who bought them in case they have to 'protect' themselves against the government.
When, do you think, will our party leadership WAKE UP and realize the Republican party no longer supports this republic OR democracy, and instead wants to make this into a theocracy ruled by oligarchs. If you check your history, that is what Nazi Germany was, and it cost 60 million lives to get rid of them.
When I see Biden praising McConnell and McCarthy, I want to throw up. Now, as some of you point out, it may be because he does not want to tip his hand, and he has a plan to save this republic. I would really, really, really like to believe that. I would.
And don't get me wrong - Dems are great, wonderful, excellent in every way. They walk on water compared to jerks like Gosar, Jordan, Hawley, Cruz, little Marco and all the rest of the traitorous cretins. I JUST WISH THEY WOULD THROW DOWN THE GAUNTLET AND START FIGHTING THESE PEOPLE LINE BY LINE, TOOTH BY TOOTH, NAIL BY NAIL. I wish they would never again let anything go. Nothing. Never soft pedal anything. Never.
Because we are a couple of Supreme court rulings away from 1896, if the Turtle, McCarthy, Clarence and the rest of the wing-nuts have their way.
So...yeah, I'll be on the phones when I can, trying to get out the vote. In spite of the fact I'm a primary caregiver who works full time, am disabled myself, and now am dealing with HEALTHCARE DEBT. I'll do it.
But is the electorate REALLY smart enough to vote Dem? Are they REALLY motivated enough? Will we really be able to GOTV in the face of the massive billionaire-funded super-pacs and the rest of the right-wing propaganda machine? Or do our leaders need to make some progress first? Do our leaders need to fight back ugly first?
Just asking. And this is not meant to be a criticism of the Dem leaders, God forbid. I'd vote for my snowshoe Siamese cat over ANY Republican.
But....when?
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Good luck!
tavernier
(12,388 posts)Why dont people understand that?
You cant make an omelette until you have eggs.
Trueblue1968
(17,218 posts)I think he's wrong.
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)the GOP by giving them an issue to run on?
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)shawn703
(2,702 posts)First order of business when any new administration of the opposing party comes into power if they also have the Senate would be to pack the court in their favor again. Probably end up having as many Justices as Senators before too long.
Raven123
(4,842 posts)highplainsdem
(48,978 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)If it got to be ridiculous, real reform would be have to happen.
TygrBright
(20,760 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,928 posts)I made that point when the topic was brought up earlier.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,988 posts)The states making up each district have not changed in decades, even though quite a lot of population has shifted south and west, resulting in overwhelming numbers of cases for some districtscases that take five years or longer to work through the courts. Thats ridiculous. The total population has also grown significantly, and its probable that we need even more district courts to help balance the workload. The federal judiciary hasnt had an overhaul in decades. Its long overdue.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)speak easy
(9,249 posts)Zeitghost
(3,858 posts)They need the filibuster as we are more likely to hold the Senate in most years.
speak easy
(9,249 posts)That is not the plan.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)looking too good
Meadowoak
(5,546 posts)Anon-C
(3,430 posts)BootinUp
(47,146 posts)modochartaigh
(17 posts)A supreme court justice should be of the highest integrity, absolutely above reproach and answerable only to truth. Instead what we have now is a court already packed with bobbleheads by a party whose only standard is winning at all cost. If the Democrats can get real control of both houses and the presidency they must start adding a clause to every bill stating that the bill is not subject to review by the supreme court.
Mr.Bill
(24,292 posts)rotating Supreme Court and District Court Justices.
mopinko
(70,103 posts)those who accept bribes.
oh, and insurrectionists.
Joinfortmill
(14,420 posts)Timewas
(2,194 posts)hey won't add justices so things will just get worse and they won't dump the filibuster so things can continue to get worse.... we are royally fucked.
Lil Liberal Laura
(228 posts)Even if the Repulsives take the House & Senate, there'll be be two years where the wingnuts won't be able to put anyone forward, as they wouldn't controll the Executive Branch. A lot of good shit could be accomplished in those two years.
Polybius
(15,413 posts)Biden just said he opposes expansion.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)We're not even close. We may well never get there.
groundloop
(11,519 posts)We need to be talking about women's rights and protecting children from gun violence - those items will energize voters. Anything else, especially if it's an impossibility, is a distraction.
orangecrush
(19,555 posts)What further proof is needed, for the love of God?
ANY AND ALL REMEDIES MUST BE ON THE TABLE AND IMPLEMENTED, FFS
slightlv
(2,801 posts)his coming out and saying this is demoralizing at a point in time that is demoralizing enough! And he wants to be president again?! He wants us to come out and vote for him?
Yes, yes, I know... we need to vote in more democrats in the midterms. But excuse me, because I'm a woman and I've waited for 2 years for even ONE of the democrats to have the balls to do something about RvW before they yanked it away... not to mention at least ONE of the voting rights bills. We all knew when they disconnected BBB from the Infrastructure Bill we'd get nothing from either one of them, and sure enough... here we sit.
And no matter how many democrats we have in the Senate or the House, Biden has the bully pulpit. Trump sure found a way to use it to HIS preferences. And I'm sorry; I'm tired of making nice, only to see US become second and third class citizens because we won't stoop to their level. I say bring it on. Fight fire with fire, or they're going to burn it all down around us, laughing at our Kumbaya democratic ethics.
Gods, what I'd give for an FDR or an LBJ right now. ANYONE who'd stick up for the rights and civil liberties of the common people! Right now, they're not giving us much to work with on dragging people to the polls in November. Hell, I'm going to have to drag myself to the polls, and I already feel like they're going to rip that away from me fairly quickly next Scotus go-around.
Hiawatha Pete
(1,798 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)I know its vacuous to say it, but I am totally in agreement with your frustration, and thoughts.
WHAT.THE.HECK.DO.THEY.WANT.US.TO.DO?
Vote? Check
March? Doing it now
Unite? Check
What do they want the voters to do other than voting, and get our friends and family to the polls???? There is literally NOTHING else we can do. Dont tell me to run for office. I dont have the money. Dont tell me to just trust in my elected officials, I dont.
And I no longer respect the highest court in the land.
I got to sit in the Supreme Court while they heard a case. I did that when I was a paralegal student and my teacher got us in, along with a visit to our US Rep for our district in CT. I was impressed by the gravity of the visit to our SC. It was memorable. But I also remember that I was told that I could not chew gum, speak, or place my arm away from my body and rest it against the top of the chair next to me. Keep your arms in your lap, period. And your face forward, at all times. Oh, yea, and you cant take notes.
I also remember that one of the revered justices was asleep at the time while a case was being argued in front of them.
Yea, really memorable. But, I was not clued in as I am now. Not sure who it was. It was a guy. And it was in the early 90s. Thats all I can remember.
They have just lost the last bit of respect I had for them.
In my mind, their correct title is now
The Supremely Extreme Court of the United States
Again, I have the same level of frustration as you
.
See you on a march!!
slightlv
(2,801 posts)It wasn't until I got into bed last night and got to thinking... maybe I overshot my opinion here. I was so frustrated when I read that, and I knew my frustration came out in my reply. I thought maybe I'd get dinged for it. But I'm like you, Karma. I've done all I can think of to do. It's like what else am I suppose to do? I've gathered as many as I can to get to the polls, and what am I suppose to "entice" them with now? Scare them with Trump... yeah, right. That's no lie. But it seems like neither Biden nor the Democrats have our backs the way they should. They're just letting the Magats burn it all down around us. It's so frustrating. They don't have to have 60 votes to go on a Scream Fest to Twitter and Facebook. It only takes one or two, but enforce would be better... the media might actually make it news that way.
I like your new name for SCOTUS. I have my own... Supreme Extreme Religious Court. Since everything that passes through them will be seen through the screen of religion from now on.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Every word!!
Sometimes the comments we worry about are our best ones!! Go figure.
betsuni
(25,519 posts)with Republican support, could not "bully pulpit" Democrats opposed to it. 50-50 senate with Manchin and Sinema is NOT a supermajority. There is no bully pulpit. Teddy Roosevelt used that term to mean a good pulpit, as in "bully for you." The word means "good." It doesn't mean bullying or threats. Biden doesn't have supernatural powers to make people do anything like in an action movie.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)even after the midterms.
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orangecrush
(19,555 posts)Excuse me, but you just exposed yourself, and I don't believe a word of your "qualifications".
old guy
(3,283 posts)He believes in being bi-partisan. He believes some repubs will come around because that's the way he is. In the end we will find out if he is right or wrong. I suspect he is wrong, but that's just cynical old me.
Dorn
(523 posts)I don't think you are cynical, if you are as old as I you will remember truly moderate republicans (Nelson Rockefeller, Howard Baker) and how they were all gotten rid of the moneyed interests in the 1980s. Biden's thinking from a bygone era, it is sad he can't see reality as it is: we are all in the clutches of the billionaires and the near billionaires.
Oneironaut
(5,495 posts)Adding 4 new justices wont fix the rot in our system. Unless if you want 200 justices by 2028, this isnt going to help us, and, will accelerate the USs demise.
Cheezoholic
(2,023 posts)Just like said in his speech the other day, it's up to us. WE have to vote these assholes out. If we do, there will be no need to pack the court because congress would have the power to codify Roe amongst other things. Like many have said, the Supremes have bosses whether they like it or not. WE are the ultimate deciders. If we are willing to GOTV and give our representatives the power to check these religious nut jobs they can be ignored, Lincoln style.
Biden knows there is no way in hell he can pack the court right now, it will not and can't happen if he tried without trying to declare a hole lot of shit starting emergency crap that in the end would make him no different than his predecessor. If the people vote a mandate in the midterms, and overwhelmingly prove to the government this is what we want, we gave you the power now, I have no doubt he and congress would not just codify, but I believe they would cut the Supremes at the knees and not only pack the court but re-organize the entire federal judicial system ala Lincoln.
It's up to us and that's what Joe is saying. Preserving democracy via legal loopholes, legal tricks, is no way to preserve democracy. It must be preserved, in the end, by the people and for the people. I believe that, and I think thats where his heads at.
Damn near 80 million of us showed up in 2020 to do just that. The jobs not done. No excuses.
Grins
(7,217 posts)Democrats want to reach across the aisle.
They want comity and consensus, and bipartisanship.
When all the Reich wants to do is kill them.
If the situation was reversed, the Reich-wing would do this without even thinking or hesitation. And damn the consequences.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)We are too critical of every little thing.
I saw someone on FaceBook (a liberal), after the SCOTUS decision, immediately criticizing the Democrats for sending out emails asking for contributions. Instead of being up in arms about what the right wing is doing, he was criticizing the Dems.
He was probably being sent email from organizations that are meant only to get donationsbut instead of thinking about that, he was railing against the Dems for merely asking for donations after the decision.
Suck it up, and stand behind the Dems right now. The right wing are focusing on making President Biden look bad. Get your head on straight.
calimary
(81,267 posts)We're actually doing an ask about this - expanding the Supreme Court to short-circuit the 6-3 knuckledragger dominance on there now.
President Biden isn't wrong about much, but he IS wrong about this.
Cheezoholic
(2,023 posts)He's against packing the court because he can't, no way period. WE have to give him and congress the ability to do this. His current option to pack the court is a road even Lincoln would not have traveled. Give them the mandate in November and all of them will do what needs to be done.
minstrel76
(83 posts)Think about it: If Biden tries to expand the court, say to 13, then the Repukes will just expand it again whenever they're in power. It will become a partisan ping-pong game that no-one can ever win. The same thing goes for trying to impeach and remove justices. If Democrats try to impeach and remove SCOTUS justices appointed by GOP presidents, then, when Rethugs take Congress again, they will find some way and excuse to impeach and remove justices appointed by Democratic presidents. Sure, any of these changes in the near term will help the party currently in power, but when the tide of power changes, these can all be reversed. Therefore, we need to fix the design flaws that are inherent in the SCOTUS that go all the way back to the framers of the Constitution. Yeah, I know there's a taboo for criticizing the Founding Fathers, but they're long dead and don't have to worry about life in the 21st Century, so sue me. IMHO, what we really need is a clearly worded and elucidated Constitutional Amendment that eliminates any ambiguity on term limits for SCOTUS justices, and the creation of a non-partisan commission for nominating SCOTUS justices, instead of the president. The Federalist Society and the GOP played this long game of rigging the SCOTUS because they perceived that SCOTUS justices appointed by Democrats were not using their Originalist legal philosophy and they were therefore granting rights that they felt were not explicitly granted in the Constitution, according to the language of the original framers, such as abortion, the right to birth control, the right to marry interracially, gay marriage, etc. My hope would be that, while not foolproof, such an amendment would help eliminate some of the politicization of the courts that have contributed to the extreme partisan division in this country. An Amendment is unrealistic, you might say? Well, it's realistic if Democrats everywhere get out and vote and if Democrats start winning more elections for a change. If it hasn't occurred to you by now that we have arrived in the place we are at because of non-Conservatives not voting, staying home during all elections, except for those during presidential years, or throwing their votes away by voting Third-Party, then I don't know if it ever will.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Hopefully, he knows something that we don't, because women, and the LGBT+ community, are terrified and terrorized right now regarding how many rights this fascist SCOTUS is capable of taking away from us any time they damn well please, leaving us without any legal recourse.
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)isn't enough. Maybe the idea needs to be rammed down his throat. Maybe we need a strong woman candidate in 04 who isn't afraid to kick in the faces of SCOTUS Goon Squads and Republlklan terrorists because they are old buds and drinking mates. Maybe we need someone like Liz Warren or Michelle Obama who isn't afraid to work for and protect US.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)We need a really fire-breathing candidate for 2024.
Liz Warren was my dream and she didnt do well. She unfortunately wont get another chance. And Michelle has said on numerous occasions that she does not want to.
Too soon for AOC, in my opinion. Kamala is no longer a household name the way she needs to be. If Cheney was a Democrat WITH DEMOCRATIC beliefs, she would be great because she is getting a name for herself at the right time. I could see her running with someone like Kinsinger. But again, they are for the wrong team. And wrong ideals.
On our side, I love Katie Porter, Sheldon Whitehouse, Jamie Raskin, Val Demmings.
The next year is going to be very critical. If I had my eyes on the presidency, and was a Democratic female, I would start making a LOT of noise right now. And not let up until candidates started to announce their intention of running. I think we might be seeing right now the undercurrent of Biden not seeking re-election.
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malthaussen
(17,195 posts)It's not like the problem is going to go away.
-- Mal
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)because this aggression will not stand.
The Grand Illuminist
(1,331 posts)FDR tried it.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)We just need to bide our time. Adding justices could cut against us. I'm good nine justices.
Another idea--cut the number to seven or five. Eliminate the last justices who were added. Yes, it would cut Justice Brown, but it would get Justices Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch.
Polybius
(15,413 posts)He could have 15-20 years left.
Also, you can't eliminate sitting Justices. They have lowered the number in the past, and it gets rid of no one. For example, if you set it to 7, it will stay at 9 and then 8 when one retires. Finally, it will go to 7 when another one steps down.
PatrickforB
(14,574 posts)court in spite of it's overturning Roe v Wade, and making my daughters and granddaughters second class citizens with the stroke of a pen - women now have fewer rights than gun owners.
He is the LEADER of our party.
I'm pretty frustrated here.
Here's the Reuters link: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-looking-solutions-after-supreme-court-abortion-ruling-white-house-2022-06-25/
Dorn
(523 posts)Article III says there will be a court, it does not say how they are selected. That is congressional law, the court has become political; ok fine -- let's elect them: elect one a year for 6 year terms and let the political games continue.
Article III
Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)2016 was was the year when the SC WAS at stake, and in those critical swing states, Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote.
Just saying
.
The strategy needs to be winning enough of a majority in both Houses in the midterms. Until that happens, hypotheticals mean nothing
JohnSJ
(92,190 posts)November, where we have enough majorities in both Houses, and all options are open. Not just expanding the court, but potentially impeachment of judges for lying under oath, requiring SC judges to recuse themselves for conflicts of interest, etc
Think long term, not reactionary
If we have enough majorities in Congress, we can use pressure then to convince Biden
IbogaProject
(2,815 posts)I hope he's keeping his support to himself until we have enough votes. He doesn't want to anger proliferate more than necessary.
eallen
(2,953 posts)Doesn't Congress control that?
Raster
(20,998 posts)The President nominates the Justices and the Senate approves them.
Article III, Section 1 of the Constitution gives Congress the authority to change the size of the Supreme Court. Congress has used that authority seven times before. To restore balance and integrity to a broken institution, Congress must expand the Supreme Court by four or more seats.
FBaggins
(26,737 posts)The president can't do it on his own, but he certainly "has a say in the matter"
He signs the legislation that Congress passes.