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Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 04:31 PM Jul 2022

High court marshal seeks enforcement of anti-picketing laws

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — The marshal of the U.S. Supreme Court has asked Maryland and Virginia officials to step up the enforcement of laws she says prohibit picketing outside the homes of the justices who live in the two states.

“For weeks on end, large groups of protesters chanting slogans, using bullhorns, and banging drums have picketed Justices’ homes,” Marshal Gail Curley wrote in the Friday letters to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin and two local elected officials.

Curley wrote that Virginia and Maryland laws and a Montgomery County, Maryland, ordinance prohibit picketing at justices’ homes, and she asked the officials to direct police to enforce those provisions.

Justices’ homes have been the target of protests since May, when a leaked draft opinion suggested the court was poised to overturn the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide.



FILE - U.S. Marshals patrol outside the home of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, in Chevy Chase, Md., June 8, 2022. The Marshal of the U.S. Supreme Court has asked Maryland officials to step up the enforcement of laws she says prohibit picketing outside the homes of the justices who live in the state. The request came about a month after a California man was found with a gun, knife and pepper spray near the Maryland home of Kavanaugh after telling police he was planning to kill the justice. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin, File)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-larry-hogan-maryland-c302461b0cbce9929f1ace32cfdaf686

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High court marshal seeks enforcement of anti-picketing laws (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2022 OP
Plebians shall respect the law while the Court destroys it .nt bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #1
Tell the piker he can pack sand up in any one of his orifaces NotHardly Jul 2022 #16
The Marshall provides protection in the courthouse only. Should not be involved in Maryland. nt delisen Jul 2022 #45
The justices need to petition Maryland themselves. Not the role of Marshall of the Court delisen Jul 2022 #46
appalling fucking feudal horseshit - inexcusable, should be contested by all means available bringthePaine Jul 2022 #2
Citizens, Sir, Are Free To Exercise 1st and 2nd Amendment Rights Under Our Constitution The Magistrate Jul 2022 #3
Amen to all that! ancianita Jul 2022 #10
Exactly! paleotn Jul 2022 #19
Just as soon as all women entering clinics receive safe unharnessed passage to and fro. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #32
they can protest as long as they are on public property, right? mrsadm Jul 2022 #38
There are laws that restrict or regulate protests... reACTIONary Jul 2022 #42
Wait didn't they just get secret extra secret guarding privledges Historic NY Jul 2022 #4
Exactly. intheflow Jul 2022 #13
The justices can choose to move somewhere else, Progressive dog Jul 2022 #5
Who'd want them...? regnaD kciN Jul 2022 #7
They would not have peaceful pickets outside their homes in Russia DBoon Jul 2022 #8
"But...but...but..FREEZE PEACH!!!!!" regnaD kciN Jul 2022 #6
If they don't like the picketing, summer_in_TX Jul 2022 #9
Can't agree with this sentence Seeking Serenity Jul 2022 #48
" NO sympathy what so ever ! " you clown's started it ! cloudboy07 Jul 2022 #11
Sounds good, Corgigal Jul 2022 #12
Wouldn't want anyone disturbing the new American Politburo Mysterian Jul 2022 #14
When discussing the propriety of protesting ... aggiesal Jul 2022 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2022 #31
She should be glad they don't do a "Sons of Liberty" on a justices house.... paleotn Jul 2022 #17
They're not picketing, they're protesting. sinkingfeeling Jul 2022 #18
Virtually synonymous. summer_in_TX Jul 2022 #49
Wasn't there a SC ruling a few years ago, 3Hotdogs Jul 2022 #20
2 things. plimsoll Jul 2022 #21
and how many teachers, health care workers and others have been driven out by death threats DBoon Jul 2022 #22
I think I see the problem... Grins Jul 2022 #23
Im concerned what this will mean for the liberal 3 quakerboy Jul 2022 #24
Never a day's rest so long as they live pfitz59 Jul 2022 #25
First Amendment asks U.S. Supreme Court to respect Constitution mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2022 #26
Supreme Court marshal asks Md. leaders to enforce anti-picketing laws mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2022 #27
Why would they care if the protesters have guns. The Jungle 1 Jul 2022 #28
The creep of fascism, when Americans are no longer permitted to peacefully protest dlk Jul 2022 #29
It's creeping on multiple fronts. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #33
Yes, we are experiencing a multi-front attack on democracy dlk Jul 2022 #40
Tough shit, snowflakes. malthaussen Jul 2022 #30
It's Good to be The King! nvme Jul 2022 #34
POWER TO THE PEOPLE pressbox69 Jul 2022 #35
Come to think of it pressbox69 Jul 2022 #36
I am completely sick Higherarky Jul 2022 #37
"Anti picketing laws"? Are they dragging out the union busting techniques of yesteryear? jaxexpat Jul 2022 #39
Would the dishonorable Katcat Jul 2022 #41
Too bad so sad raising2moredems Jul 2022 #43
A California man found with a gun outside Kavanaughs' Maryland 2live is 2fly Jul 2022 #44
If they can't tolerate First Amendment rights being exercised they are free to resign. delisen Jul 2022 #47
Thoughts and prayers Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #50
Did Maryland "comply"? msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #51

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
16. Tell the piker he can pack sand up in any one of his orifaces
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 07:37 PM
Jul 2022

... or, ask him how things are going at the picketing at Planned Parenthoods ... tell him the Justices get equal time

delisen

(6,043 posts)
46. The justices need to petition Maryland themselves. Not the role of Marshall of the Court
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:26 AM
Jul 2022

The judges hiding behind the Marshall should be ashamed of themselves. If they reside in Maryland they need to petition Maryland themselves.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
3. Citizens, Sir, Are Free To Exercise 1st and 2nd Amendment Rights Under Our Constitution
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:09 PM
Jul 2022

I fail to see what makes these particular poltroons immune from hearing the voice of the people up close and personal and backed by some firepower, all night long and all the day through....

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
42. There are laws that restrict or regulate protests...
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:39 PM
Jul 2022

... in residential areas. Under these laws, protesting is allowed, but the protesters have to keep moving along the public right of way - they can't stop and congregate right in front of the residence.

At least that is my understanding.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
4. Wait didn't they just get secret extra secret guarding privledges
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jul 2022

Now they're whining more about the peaceful exercise of the first amendment . The Justices are free to more to other accommodations.

intheflow

(28,463 posts)
13. Exactly.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 06:51 PM
Jul 2022

Just like they tell women if they don’t like the new abortion laws, they can move to another state. What’s good for the goose…

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
7. Who'd want them...?
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:40 PM
Jul 2022

Most tyrants have their own judicial lackeys, and true democracies wouldn't want them anywhere near. Their only option would be some "shithole country."

DBoon

(22,363 posts)
8. They would not have peaceful pickets outside their homes in Russia
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jul 2022

and with their politics, they would fit in perfectly

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
9. If they don't like the picketing,
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jul 2022

they can revisit the case (or take a similar one) where they made it LEGAL to picket at someone's private home (unless the city had enacted a ban).

Why on earth did they not recognize that allowing picketing at homes also allows political intimidation?

Political intimidation has gotten out of hand.

Free speech doesn't mean it must be allowed in non-public places, but that should be consistent for everyone, not just the extremes.

I'd hate to have chanting mobs surrounding my home screaming at me. Or even well-behaved mobs. But their own decisions allowed it in many circumstances.

Seeking Serenity

(2,840 posts)
48. Can't agree with this sentence
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 06:19 AM
Jul 2022
Political intimidation has gotten out of hand.


It hasn't even really begun. Real political intimidation would have made one or two (or three??) of those fuckers change their vote(s).

It's time we Democrats stepped up our game. We're way behind.

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
15. When discussing the propriety of protesting ...
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 06:58 PM
Jul 2022

outside of supreme court justices' homes, it's important to remember that in the 90s the court held that protesting outside of the homes of abortion clinic employees is protected by the first amendment.

Response to aggiesal (Reply #15)

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
17. She should be glad they don't do a "Sons of Liberty" on a justices house....
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 08:45 PM
Jul 2022

a la the home of Thomas Hutchinson, then Lieutenant governor of the Massachusetts colony.

3Hotdogs

(12,374 posts)
20. Wasn't there a SC ruling a few years ago,
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 08:47 PM
Jul 2022

It’s ok to picket outside of elected office holders’ houses?

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
21. 2 things.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 09:22 PM
Jul 2022

1) Don't the people who are protesting the Roe reversal have free speech rights?
2) If those states don't want to enforce those rules isn't that their right?

DBoon

(22,363 posts)
22. and how many teachers, health care workers and others have been driven out by death threats
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:18 AM
Jul 2022

start prosecuting these first and maybe you won't look so concerned with protecting privilege

Grins

(7,217 posts)
23. I think I see the problem...
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:50 AM
Jul 2022
“…Virginia and Maryland laws…prohibit picketing at justices’ homes.”

But not DC? Do other states have that same law?

Maybe the problem is Virginia and Maryland’s overreaching?

Why should the homes of Supreme Court justices be singled out and not the homes of other judges? Or the homes of the Secretaries of State of Vermont, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia? How many of them, with damn good reason, and FAR MORE than SCOTUS justices, were scared for their lives and their families? How about teachers and local school board members who heard, “We know where you live!!!”

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
24. Im concerned what this will mean for the liberal 3
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 01:59 AM
Jul 2022

I feel like they are in far more actual danger than the lyin 6

And yet i have a sneaking suspicion they get significantly less actual protection.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
26. First Amendment asks U.S. Supreme Court to respect Constitution
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 06:02 AM
Jul 2022
First Amendment asks U.S. Supreme Court to respect Constitution

U.S. Supreme Court asks Maryland to bar protests at justices' homes http://reut.rs/3y9XHAB



The First Amendment Retweeted

There is no constitutional basis for a rule thst allows people to picket obstetricians and poll workers but not people with life tenure.

My response on behalf of the governor to Gail Curley’s Friday night letter:


mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
27. Supreme Court marshal asks Md. leaders to enforce anti-picketing laws
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 06:12 AM
Jul 2022
Supreme Court marshal asks Md. leaders to enforce anti-picketing laws

washingtonpost.com
Supreme Court marshal asks Md. leaders to enforce anti-picketing laws
Letters asks Gov. Hogan and Montgomery County Executive Elrich to have police departments enforce laws that "squarely prohibit picketing at the homes of



LEGAL ISSUES

Supreme Court marshal presses Md., Va. leaders to stop home protests

Some officials push back against directive, calling it unconstitutional

By Jasmine Hilton and Ann E. Marimow
Updated July 2, 2022 at 4:42 p.m. EDT | Published July 2, 2022 at 12:07 a.m. EDT



Abortion rights demonstrators protest near the Chevy Chase home of Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh on Saturday, in response to letters from the Supreme Court marshal. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)

The Supreme Court’s chief security officer penned letters requesting that top Maryland and Virginia officials direct police to enforce laws that she says prohibit picketing at justices’ suburban homes, following weeks of demonstrations for abortion rights. ... It was unclear, however, what impact the letters will have. Some officials argued that federal law enforcement should respond to the court’s concerns, while others cast the directive as unconstitutional. Police officials said they worked to keep justices safe while respecting the First Amendment rights of demonstrators. And protesters responded directly Saturday with an impromptu demonstration outside Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh’s home in Chevy Chase.

Supreme Court Marshal Gail Curley, in four separate letters addressed to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R), Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich (D), Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) and Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairman Jeffrey McKay (D), said protests and “threatening” activity had increased since May at the justices’ homes. ... “For weeks on end, large groups of protesters chanting slogans, using bullhorns, and banging drums have picketed Justices’ homes in Maryland,” her letter to Hogan said. “Earlier this week, for example, 75 protesters loudly picketed at one Justice’s home in Maryland for 20-30 minutes in the evening, then proceeded to picket at another Justice’s home for 30 minutes, where the crowd grew to 100, and finally returned to the first Justice’s home to picket for another 20 minutes. This is exactly the kind of conduct that the Maryland and Montgomery County laws prohibit.”

[Youngkin, Hogan ask Justice Dept. to halt protests at justices’ homes]

The marshal cited Maryland law, which states that a “person may not intentionally assemble with another in a manner that disrupts a person’s right to tranquility in the person’s home” and that law “provides for imprisonment for up to 90 days or a $100 fine.” ... The Maryland letters, reviewed by The Washington Post and dated July 1, also cite a Montgomery County law that says a “person or group of persons must not picket in front of or adjacent to any private residence,” as well as a law that says a group can march in a residential area “without stopping at any particular private residence.” ... But Michael Ricci, Hogan’s director of communications, pushed back against Curley in a response Saturday afternoon on Twitter. “Had the marshal taken time to explore the matter, she would have learned that the constitutionality of the statute cited in her letter has been questioned by the Maryland Attorney General’s Office,” he wrote.





“We are within the law,” protester Nadine Seiler said. “They’re proving us right — that we need to be out there to maintain our First Amendment right, or else we wouldn’t have it.” (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)

Ricci noted that Hogan and Youngkin had written previously to U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland “to enforce the clear and unambiguous federal statutes on the books that prohibit picketing at judges’ residences.” Garland declined, Ricci said.

{snip}

Gift Article
https://wapo.st/3nCcTBw

By Jasmine Hilton
Jasmine Hilton is a reporter covering crime and courts on the Metro desk. Twitter https://twitter.com/jas_hilton

By Ann Marimow
Ann Marimow covers legal affairs for The Washington Post. She joined The Post in 2005 and has covered state government and politics in California, New Hampshire and Maryland. Twitter https://twitter.com/amarimow
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
28. Why would they care if the protesters have guns.
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 08:33 AM
Jul 2022

Don't more guns make them safer?????
How come they agree with banning guns in government buildings? Wouldn't guns make their buildings safer?

dlk

(11,561 posts)
29. The creep of fascism, when Americans are no longer permitted to peacefully protest
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 09:29 AM
Jul 2022

The Supreme Court has already given over women’s reproductive rights to the states, another clear sign of fascism.

Higherarky

(637 posts)
37. I am completely sick
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 04:30 PM
Jul 2022

of public servants wanting/having stuff, paid for with tax-payer funds, that they don't want to provide for the taxpayers! Protection, healthcare, sufficient retirement income; the list goes on and on. Taxpayers pay their salaries, while way too many of them act as if they were the bourgeoisie.

Katcat

(231 posts)
41. Would the dishonorable
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:08 PM
Jul 2022

Not so supreme, super court justices prefer that people drive by blowing car horns all day and night?

raising2moredems

(638 posts)
43. Too bad so sad
Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:17 PM
Jul 2022

Actions have consequences. And judges don't have more rights than any other person in the US. Just do a internet search on the harassment/picketing of reproductive services providers OR election officials.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
44. A California man found with a gun outside Kavanaughs' Maryland
Mon Jul 4, 2022, 01:11 PM
Jul 2022

home told police he was planning to kill the justice. Yeah right, promises promises!

delisen

(6,043 posts)
47. If they can't tolerate First Amendment rights being exercised they are free to resign.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:35 AM
Jul 2022

All public service comes with the cost of criticism and is subject to peaceful protest.

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