'Disturbing': weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples
Source: the guardian
Carey Gillam - 12h ago
More than 80% of urine samples drawn from children and adults in a US health study contained a weedkilling chemical linked to cancer, a finding scientists have called disturbing and concerning.
The report by a unit of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that out of 2,310 urine samples, taken from a group of Americans intended to be representative of the US population, 1,885 were laced with detectable traces of glyphosate. This is the active ingredient in herbicides sold around the world, including the widely used Roundup brand. Almost a third of the participants were children ranging from six to 18.
Related: Glyphosate weedkiller damages wild bee colonies, study reveals
Academics and private researchers have been noting high levels of the herbicide glyphosate in analyses of human urine samples for years. But the CDC has only recently started examining the extent of human exposure to glyphosate in the US, and its work comes at a time of mounting concerns and controversy over how pesticides in food and water impact human and environmental health.
I expect that the realization that most of us have glyphosate in our urine will be disturbing to many people, said Lianne Sheppard, professor at the University of Washingtons department of environmental and occupational health sciences. Thanks to the new research, we know that a large fraction of the population has it in urine. Many people will be thinking about whether that includes them.................................
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JoeOtterbein
(7,870 posts)...make them pay for the damage to our health!
Evolve Dammit
(21,802 posts)womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)Here is our present guy in Wiki - Robert Califf
Relationships with the pharmaceutical industry
Califf worked very closely with pharmaceutical companies at the Duke clinical trials center "convincing them to do large, expensive, and, for Duke, profitable clinical trials."[12] He was a paid consultant for Merck Sharp & Dohme, Johnson & Johnson, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, and Eli Lilly per ProPublica from 2009 to 2013. The largest consulting payment was $87,500 by Johnson & Johnson in 2012, and "most of funds for travel or consulting under $5,000", which has been called "minimal for a physician of his stature".[13] From 2013-2014 he was paid a total of $52,796, the highest amount was $6,450 from Merck Sharp & Dohme, followed by Amgen, F. Hoffmann-La Roche AG, Janssen Pharmaceutica, Daiichi Sankyo, Sanofi-Aventis, Bristol-Myers Squibb and AstraZeneca.[14] He was the Director of Portola Pharmaceuticals, Inc. from July 2012 to January 26, 2015,[13] An advisor of Proventys, Inc., Chairman of the medical advisory board of Regado Biosciences, Inc. and has been a member of the medical advisory board since June 2, 2009, and a member of the clinical advisory board of Corgentech Inc.[15] Forbes wrote that his close ties to the drug industry were why he was not nominated for the FDA Commissioner position in 2009.[12] Califf's ties to the pharmaceutical industry were criticized by the magazine The American Prospect,[16] and Democratic Senators Bernie Sanders and Joe Manchin who announced their intention to vote against his 2021 renomination.[17]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Califf
Tetrachloride
(9,654 posts)and governments around the world let them get away with it.
Not one of the friendly cancers either.
bucolic_frolic
(55,437 posts)We were taught to wash all vegetables with organic soap wash. But that's just the surface. And lest you think organics are always pure, I think 3 years without chemicals is the threshold in some certifications.
That is scary stuff. It's concentrating. I'm going to make some changes.
Evolve Dammit
(21,802 posts)PESTICIDE, I knew we were f'd. Now the PFAS ("forever chemicals) known to cause cancer is just more evidence of how we have been poisoning ourselves for decades. The EPA rules need updating as approximately 10,000 new chemical products are introduced each year with no oversight.
gab13by13
(32,498 posts)Put an organic potato in a jar of water.
Within a matter of days the organic potato will grow eyes, the GMO potato never will.
Evolve Dammit
(21,802 posts)meaningful laws (CAA, CWA, OSHA, RCRA, TSCA, CERCLA, Endangered Species, AHERA) were enacted. Under Nixon mostly, who would never make it out of a primary today. Oh, he opened relations with China too. I'm not a fan by any means, but by today's standards, Nixon was a choir boy.
NickB79
(20,389 posts)Most potatoes are sprayed with a growth inhibitor after harvest to keep longer in storage. Organic potatoes aren't, so they grow more easily.
It comes in handy when you're trying to find cheap seed potatoes for your garden 😁
Lonestarblue
(13,524 posts)I try to buy nothing without the GMO label.
Evolve Dammit
(21,802 posts)womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)- So the crops dry evenly. The US sugarcane crop is sprayed right before harvest for sweeter sugar. Oats have the highest levels of glyphosate and people think they are having a healthy breakfast when, in fact, they are eating glyphosate. Almonds are also heavily sprayed with glyphosate- and - millions think almond milk is a healthier alternative. Yuk!!
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)But usually in much lower levels.
Moms across America tests lots of products. Here is one on chocolate. After reading this, I totally stopped buying Hersheys.
Glyphosate Test Results in Major Chocolate Brands
POSTED BY ZEN HONEYCUTT 5GS ON APRIL 15, 2022
Hersheys Chocolate Found to have 4X Higher Levels of Glyphosate than YouTuber, MrBeasts Chocolate
https://www.momsacrossamerica.com/glyphosate_chocolate
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)it was as a chelating agent. Having something permanently in your body that's declared active ingredient binds macro- and micronutrients, essential for many enzymatic reactions and pathogen resistance is probably not a good thing. Just sayin'.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)Micronutrients absolutely cannot be synthesized and manufactured, so the only way to get them is in whole foods. And now this glyphosate.
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)at least it doesn't seem to bio-accumulate in the body so that's something. It breaks down in less than a year in the soil and binds tightly enough to soil that hopefully it won't screw up ground water too badly. That's pretty much all the good news I can find, seems to be a whole lot of bad news out there.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)Glyphosate disrupts gut bacteria !
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)until its third patent where it was described as "a parasitic control type antimicrobial, or antibiotic"
There are three separate patents on glyphosate, each for a different use.
Glyphosate was first patented in 1964 by Stauffer Chemical as a metal chelator that was used to clean or descale commercial boilers and pipes (United States Patent 3,160,632). Glyphosate binds to and removes minerals such as manganese, zinc and cobalt that are vital to human and animal health (Johal 2009).
https://gmofreeusa.org/research/glyphosate/glyphosate-overview/
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)It wasnt till 2003 that Monsanto patented it as a antimicrobial.
gab13by13
(32,498 posts)womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)'Major Victory': Court Orders EPA Review of Glyphosate's Cancer and Endangered Species Risks
"While it comes too late for many farmworkers and landscapers who suffer after glyphosate exposure, we are grateful for the court's ruling," said a representative for one plaintiff
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ordered the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to review its conclusions about the safety of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, a popular herbicide created by Monsantowhich Bayer acquired in 2018.
The EPA "recently assessed whether glyphosate poses 'any unreasonable risk to man or the environment' and answered, for the most part, 'no,'" the 54-page opinion explains, referring to the agency's widely criticized decision from January 2020.
"A group of petitioners challenged EPA's decision, arguing, among other things, that EPA did not adequately consider whether glyphosate causes cancer and shirked its duties under the Endangered Species Act," the ruling continues. "We agree and remand to the agency for further consideration." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/17/major-victory-court-orders-epa-review-glyphosates-cancer-and-endangered-species
BHDem53
(1,148 posts)IbogaProject
(5,980 posts)Nt
rubbersole
(11,251 posts)Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)leighbythesea2
(1,291 posts)That it pushes it to seed more, expanding yield right before harvest. Think same article said its9 so high in breakfast cereal, never eat cereal.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)Botany
(77,563 posts)You got something else that can clean this up and restore that ecosystem I'm
all ears.

They love the stuff and dig it up roots and all.
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Hekate
(100,133 posts)Actually, goats are terrific weed-whackers, and Id love it if individuals and municipalities would think of them first.
Orrex
(67,232 posts)One might say that I'm bullish on it.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)Botany
(77,563 posts)... greater then the threat by glyphosates. I have used it as tool to do ecosystem restoration
for years. Just last week I finished a little project where i used some glyphosate to kill some
miscanthus and other non natives and replaced them with Indian Grass, smooth aster, butterfly
weed, penstemon, blanket flower, and American Wahoo. That little project will support native
pollinators, native birds, butterflies, insects, and hopefully other critters too. It will also help
to fix carbon, build soil, and put water back into the ground.
The picture of the forest I posted is an example of non natives killing off our ecosystems. That
forest will no longer support oak trees, bluebells, ferns, box turtles, ginsing, wood thrushes, snakes,
spring beauty flowers, the spring beauty mining bee, hemlock, American Beech, pine, yellow birch, and
thousands of other critters, plants, microbes, and other stuuf. And it (the kuduz kill zone) will no longer
capture and hold carbon and rain water along with cleaning the air.
BTW it does not kill all life and if you got a better way to control non native invasive plants I'm all ears.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)Kudzu does not cover the planet.
We are all pissing plastics and pesticides and the kudzu, bean bugs and mosquitoes are still here.
Botany
(77,563 posts).... comes the base of the highly complex "food web" which works to support our ecological infra
structure.
https://moinvasives.org/2021/02/18/2021-top-invasive-plants-expanding-in-missouri/
NickB79
(20,389 posts)Very underutilized species. Mine are finally fruiting this year, after sprouting from seed 6 years ago.
Botany
(77,563 posts)I have been trying to get some going and sending starts to a native plant nursery in Wisconsin.
Great fruit, fall color, and use by native critters although I haven't noticed birds using the fruits in the
winter too much and that might be a function of no longer having the needed birds such as cedar waxwings.
BTW where do you live? General location. I need to get some different ecotypes.
NickB79
(20,389 posts)And you're right about germination. The double dormancy is hard to break because you need patience. Still not as hard as the Carolina silverbells I finally got to sprout after forgetting about them for 2 years 🤣 Those are my babies now.
Botany
(77,563 posts)n/t
NickB79
(20,389 posts)This was years ago, so going from memory, but: harvested and depulped, planted immediately in pots. Held at room temp for 90 days, watering periodically, then cold stratified in my fridge for another 90 days, then out to room temp again under grow lights and bottom heat. Even then only a few sprouted. They grew their roots during warm stratification.
I did the same for a flat of white fringetree last year with good results, and witch hazel two years before. The alternative is just planting them outdoors and waiting 2 years for the natural temp cycles to do the job.
Botany
(77,563 posts).... that does not have standing water and then digging them up around 4/15 and then planting them
in in flats. Which I just put onto fabric. Planting mix = BX gro mix, silica sand, composted manure
with a little espoma plant tone mixed in. BTW that is my go to planting mix ... sometimes i add some
potting soil to that mix.
I wonder if I left the seeds in the ground for 2 years that might increase the germination rate.
Cuttings are a tough go. BTW I have been told that cuttings should be stuck in November/Dec.
..... 2 year wood is the best.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)Inhaling it is super bad. From organophosphates, field workers get asthma and reactive airway disease.
Farmer-Rick
(12,721 posts)Megacopta cribraria, also called the bean plataspid, kudzu bug, globular stink bug and lablab bug, is a shield bug native to India and China, where it is an agricultural pest of lablab beans and other legumes.
But it's favorite is Kudzu. If it infests a patch heavily enough, it can kill the Kudzu in days.
paleotn
(22,448 posts)Not when agribusiness, specifically Monsanto, markets corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, canola...seed as Roundup Ready. Much of our food supply is modified to resist damage from glyphosate herbicides. Thus, Roundup is sprayed with seeming abandon. Increase yields today, worry about cancer tomorrow I guess. We're literally poisoning ourselves and future generations for profit. Ugh.
Oppaloopa
(963 posts)They knew about this for decades
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)Check out our current director.
Scrivener7
(59,807 posts)It's been in the courts before often. Bayer always wins the right to continue to sell it.
Also, industrial farmers are totally dependent on it because they have altered the genetics of their crops so they work well with glyphosphate.
FakeNoose
(41,957 posts)Monsanto no longer makes it because they were bankrupted by lawsuits. As far as I know, Bayer will continue manufacturing and selling Roundup, unless the government shuts it down.
There actually is a valid use for this product, but it's being so overused by farmers now. It needs to be controlled.
Orrex
(67,232 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)Orrex
(67,232 posts)Upthevibe
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womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)Bayer Loses Again as US Supreme Court Allows $87 Million Roundup Award
An $87 million verdict for California couple is sustained
Bayer not surprised by ruling, says issue will come up again
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Bayard
(29,962 posts)When they knew what they were getting into.
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Martin68
(27,924 posts)I agree, it is concerning that there are minuscule traces of glyphosate in most people's blood, but it is used in agriculture everywhere in the Western Hemisphere. Of course it's in our bodies because there are traces of it in much of our food. When we eat a grape with the skin on, we're going to ingest a minuscule amount of glyphosate by-product. Not glyphosate per se, but the molecules that are produced as glyphosate is broken down by bacteria in the soil. I guess my question is, are the by-products of glyphosate dangerous? Can anyone point me two research on that?
ret5hd
(22,527 posts)Martin68
(27,924 posts)bodies, wouldn't we expect pandemic of cancer?
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Although diagnosis has increased some.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)Are people who applied Roundup - because its easier to prove cause and effect. Many, might not get cancer but have other effects - like stomach problems because glyphosate can act like you have a constant antiobiotic in your body. I cant imagine organs like your liver being healthy having to detox glyphosate every day.
Martin68
(27,924 posts)workers in developing countries neither follow protocols prescribed for application of glyphosate, nor do they wear protective clothing. When applied as prescribed by the manufacturer, no one should be ingesting or coming into contact with high concentration on their skin. Neither their government nor their employers enforce precautionary procedures. But the amounts referred to in this post are minuscule, and they are by-products, not pure glyphosate. I have seen no research that suggests glyphosate or its byproducts act as an antibiotic.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)even with tiny doses. Inhaling organophosphates can kill some of your bronchial cells and lead to reactive airway disease. This happened to me in the 90s when my city sprayed Malathion in my neighborhood 4 nights in a row for mosquitoes.
NickB79
(20,389 posts)Nothing but Roundup Ready corn and soy across the entire Midwest.
And Roundup has been in regular use for 30+ years now.
Martin68
(27,924 posts)correctly applied. As you suggest, locations where intensive agriculture is practiced are the perfect environments to study the long term effects of glyphosate exposure. We haven't seen a pandemic of cancer in those areas.
High nitrate levels in groundwater from fertilizers are known to harm the respiratory and reproductive system, kidney, spleen and thyroid in children and adults, and are particularly harmful to infants. A study found that 29% of Iowa's water systems detected nitrate at or above the federal limit at least once between 2012 and 2019, the years for which data was analyzed. That was second only to Minnesota at 31%. Wisconsin had 22% and Illinois, 17%. Now, that's a serious issue.
I have not seen any research that indicates the by-products of glyphosate as it breaks down in the soil or in the body are cancerous. No one should be ingesting or inhaling glyphosate if it is correctly applied. Like "forever" chemicals commonly found in the soil, water, and air, as well as our bodies, long-term studies should be conducted to determine the possible effects of these substances.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)....
Another major oat buyer, Grain Millers, stopped buying glyphosate-treated oats in 2015. Grain Millers said the weedkiller disrupts the natural maturing process and starch development, resulting in lower quality flakes and flour.
Major food companies are also aiming to stop the use of glyphosate prior to harvest. In February, Kelloggs announced that that due to consumer concerns about the weed killer, it would work with its suppliers to phase out using glyphosate as pre-harvest drying agent in its wheat and oat supply chains by the end of 2025. In 2019, General Mills announced, as part of its pesticide reduction strategy, that it would start contracting with farmers in Canada to produce oats without the using glyphosate before harvest.
The pre-harvest use of glyphosate allows farmers to harvest crops as much as two weeks earlier than they normally would, an advantage in northern, colder regions. Spraying the weedkiller kills the crop so it will dry sooner and produce more consistent yields. Farmers use glyphosate as a drying agent on wheat and oat crops in the upper Midwestern United States and Canadian provinces such as Saskatchewan and Manitoba. It is also used on edible beans in the upper Midwest and far west states like Washington and Idaho.
https://non-gmoreport.com/articles/days-are-numbered-for-pre-harvest-use-of-glyphosate/
Article doesn't mention that it's also used big time in Florida and Louisianna to dry the sugarcane crop - supposedly, desiccation of sugarcane makes it sweeter!
Martin68
(27,924 posts)I'm not sure why someone would think glyphosate has anything to do with soil except that it is in the soil that bacteria break glyphosate down. Could you clarify?
LudwigPastorius
(14,840 posts)...and if you were born before the 70s, you've probably got DDT in your body.
There's a lot of these 'perma-chemicals' that just don't go away.
robodruid1
(84 posts)I am involved in having to clean this stuff up.
With EPA setting LHA numbers of 4 PPQ for PFOA and 20 PPQ for PFOS,. i have no idea how we are ever going to clean this up.
Not enough money in the world.
NNadir
(38,264 posts)This is, frankly, beyond stupid as concerns go, and is reminiscent of the dihydrogen monoxide joke.
It is meaningless.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)We have all seen the beach pictures from the 50s where everyone was skinny. Anyway - if its bad to breathe in and get on your skin - eating it sounds even worse.
Bayer has been plagued by more than 125,000 lawsuits from plaintiffs who claim the use of glyphosate-based herbicides contributed to their non-Hodgkins lymphoma. The company resolved about 75% of the cases with a nearly $10 billion settlement last year, but it still faces about 30,000 cases and possibly additional ones in the future. Most claims are associated with residential use of the herbicide on lawns and gardens.
DFW
(60,317 posts)Like HFCS, glyphosphate should have been banned two decades ago. For a good roundup of Monsantos mafia-style tactics, read Seeds of Reprisal. They have been practically a government within a government, getting Washington to ignore the effects of their poison on living things. They are the makers of Roundup, and have spending many millions to defend their indefensible carcinogen ever since it has been in production. It DOES kill weeds. The trouble is, it kills people, too, and all too often sickens the ones it doesnt kill.
Several years ago, Monsanto got bought up by the smaller German chemical and pharmaceutical giant, Bayer. The move baffled both economists and experts in the field. That Monsanto was bad news was already common knowledge. The German media puzzled over the logic of the purchase and came up with no possible justification. Monsanto has been nothing but a headache to Bayer ever since, and one can only speculate how many billions in well-hidden bribes went from Monsantos treasury to Bayer execs to have the transaction take place.
**on edit, every time something about the ill effects of Roundup or other Monsanto products are mentioned, their defenders show up here demanding proof, just as Walker Merryman defended the tobacco industry, pointing out, as did another poster here already, that far from all smokers develop lung cancer. However, Roundup is considered to be a carcinogen, and the cause of many cancers that would not have occurred without it. Like tobacco defenders usually having ties to the tobacco industry, the defenders tend to somehow have ties to Monsanto, and the detractors do not.
Pinback
(13,614 posts)Its as though certain topics (specific corporations, products, etc.) are tracked by keyword and the Concerned Parties spring into action, swarm to shape the discussion, and cast doubt. I know, tinfoil hat stuff. Probably just our imagination.
DFW
(60,317 posts)It's definitely a shared imagination!
CountAllVotes
(22,234 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,714 posts)Corporate citizens are now fully indemnified and protected from responsibility by SCROTUS.
imavoter
(661 posts)those people doing differently than the 80%.
FakeNoose
(41,957 posts)It's been known for years, not surprising at all.
In case you're wondering why "organic" produce and "organically grown" fruits and vegetables are so much more expensive, they are the only food we can eat that hasn't been touched by glyphosate. Pretty much all the farm animals are eating grains sprayed with glyphosate, so the carnivores among us are doomed anyway.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)beef. I can see her healthy cows on her land when we have the book club meetings at her place. Whole foods also carries grass fed beef from organically fed animals. I will only eat grass fed/grass finished beef and organically fed chickens. For $10.00, I can get a whole organically fed chicken.
For eggs, I have 10 chickens - I feed them organic grains and organic vegetables because I like to put raw egg yokes in my smoothies.
Certain organic vegetables like carrots, celery, cabbage, lettuce - are pretty cheap. At least they are cheap here in NM.
ProfessorGAC
(76,979 posts)I share the concern. But, the MSN article is flawed.
200 million pounds of glyphosate is not used per year. That value is the herbicide formula.
That number is larger than world production of glyphosates.
The actual number is about 25% of that, as the concentrated formulas used in agriculture are 20-30% active ingredient.
I wonder what to what level they are measuring, because the human body is pretty resilient to tiny levels of toxins. Obviously, none is the goal.
womanofthehills
(10,997 posts)Its too much - whatever number it is.
Its no surprise that these chemical poisons are causing severe harm to imperiled wildlife since U.S. use exceeds 70 million pounds of atrazine and 300 million pounds of glyphosate every year, said Nathan Donley, environmental health science director at the Center for Biological Diversity. Its long past time for atrazine to be banned, and the EPA needs to crack down on the reckless overuse of glyphosate. Without real conservation action, these pesticides will continue to push our most endangered wildlife closer to extinction.
https://sustainablepulse.com/2021/11/18/us-epa-reveals-massive-damage-to-endangered-species-from-glyphosate-and-atrazine/
ProfessorGAC
(76,979 posts)It's grossly overused.
But, there's only around 150 million pounds of the active agent produced yearly around the world.
So, the formulated product, with solvent, water, surfactant & active agent is probably around 25%.
That is then used to create a water based emulsion for spraying.
I agree it's too much, but the article is sloppy with the numbers.
RussBLib
(10,679 posts)with all the chemicals we have created and pumped into the ecosphere.