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riversedge

(81,162 posts)
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 05:54 PM Jul 2022

'Disturbing': weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

Source: the guardian




Carey Gillam - 12h ago


More than 80% of urine samples drawn from children and adults in a US health study contained a weedkilling chemical linked to cancer, a finding scientists have called “disturbing” and “concerning”.



The report by a unit of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that out of 2,310 urine samples, taken from a group of Americans intended to be representative of the US population, 1,885 were laced with detectable traces of glyphosate. This is the active ingredient in herbicides sold around the world, including the widely used Roundup brand. Almost a third of the participants were children ranging from six to 18.

Related: Glyphosate weedkiller damages wild bee colonies, study reveals

Academics and private researchers have been noting high levels of the herbicide glyphosate in analyses of human urine samples for years. But the CDC has only recently started examining the extent of human exposure to glyphosate in the US, and its work comes at a time of mounting concerns and controversy over how pesticides in food and water impact human and environmental health.


“I expect that the realization that most of us have glyphosate in our urine will be disturbing to many people,” said Lianne Sheppard, professor at the University of Washington’s department of environmental and occupational health sciences. Thanks to the new research, “we know that a large fraction of the population has it in urine. Many people will be thinking about whether that includes them.”................................






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'Disturbing': weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples (Original Post) riversedge Jul 2022 OP
Ban it and then... JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #1
x 1000! Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #5
Problem is our FDA is so connected to big pharma womanofthehills Jul 2022 #27
"Linked to cancer" is so passive. Tetrachloride Jul 2022 #2
It's on the food, it's in the food, it's in the ground the food grows in bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #3
Ever since I learned that GM potatoes had a gene spliced into the skin that was a registered Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #6
Put a GMO potato in a jar of water, gab13by13 Jul 2022 #7
It's really a crime that we have had limited consumer protection for decades, even after Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #11
That's not a GMO issue NickB79 Jul 2022 #42
I didn't know GM potatoes had been developed. How are they identified in groceries? Lonestarblue Jul 2022 #73
Really good question. Not sure. And good for you BTW! Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #82
I think the worst part is spraying roundup on crops during harvest womanofthehills Jul 2022 #28
Glyphosate is detected in lots of Organics too womanofthehills Jul 2022 #54
Considering the fact that when glyphosate was patented Rural_Progressive Jul 2022 #4
Oh crap. Then how do we get micronutrients into us without ingesting glyphosate? ancianita Jul 2022 #13
Does seem like we're being back into a bit of a nasty corner Rural_Progressive Jul 2022 #24
In the first patent - it was filed as an antibiotic womanofthehills Jul 2022 #29
Actually it wasn't Rural_Progressive Jul 2022 #36
You are right - I never saw that earlier patent womanofthehills Jul 2022 #55
33 countries have banned Glyphosate. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #8
While our FDA said no problem womanofthehills Jul 2022 #30
A white vinegar, table salt and dish soap mixture works for me. BHDem53 Jul 2022 #9
It's also used to harvest Wheat. IbogaProject Jul 2022 #10
It's literally found in all children's cereal. rubbersole Jul 2022 #14
and potatoes Rural_Progressive Jul 2022 #25
Read leighbythesea2 Jul 2022 #46
You don't even have to use it or be near it. It's in most foods, liquid and solid. ancianita Jul 2022 #12
Kuduz killing a forest in the Appalachian Mts. Botany Jul 2022 #15
..... paleotn Jul 2022 #17
Won't you think of the kids?! Hekate Jul 2022 #23
It's going places! Orrex Jul 2022 #20
It's insane to poison all life in a doomed attempt to control one form of life. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #45
The threat to the supportive capicity of our environment by non native invasive species is far ... Botany Jul 2022 #49
"non-native" -- so it's extra-terrestrial? Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #50
Our native insects and pollinators work lock and key with our native plants and from that ... Botany Jul 2022 #51
Off-topic, but props on using American wahoo NickB79 Jul 2022 #61
very tough to propagate ..... from cuttings or seeds Botany Jul 2022 #62
I'm in southeast MN NickB79 Jul 2022 #76
How do you get your wahoo seeds to germinate? Botany Jul 2022 #77
I did a standard warm/cold/warm stratification NickB79 Jul 2022 #79
I have been burying them in some old socks / hose after i pick them in Dec./Jan. In an area ..... Botany Jul 2022 #80
I hope you are wearing a mask and long sleeves when using it womanofthehills Jul 2022 #68
There is also the Kudzu bug that kills it Farmer-Rick Jul 2022 #71
Surprising? No. paleotn Jul 2022 #16
Why the Hell is this shit still on the market ? Oppaloopa Jul 2022 #18
Because the FDA is usually run by someone from big pharma womanofthehills Jul 2022 #56
Because it's produced by Bayer, and Bayer owns lots of Reps and Senators. Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #66
The Roundup brand was bought by Bayer a few years ago FakeNoose Jul 2022 #74
Well, I'm grateful that my urine will remain 80% weed-free, at least. Orrex Jul 2022 #19
Helpful for when you're drug tested, anyway. JudyM Jul 2022 #37
See? Another upside! Orrex Jul 2022 #41
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Jul 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Upthevibe Jul 2022 #22
Last month Bayer lost an appeal to Supreme Court womanofthehills Jul 2022 #26
I could never understand why Bayer bought Monsanto Bayard Jul 2022 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2022 #72
Forgive me, but if it that common in the bloodstreams of millions, why do we not all have cancer? Martin68 Jul 2022 #32
Yeah!!! All smokers get lung cancer! ret5hd Jul 2022 #35
Not all, obviously, but millions did. If almost everybody has these glyphosate by-products in their Martin68 Jul 2022 #40
I've wondered too. Cancer deaths are down 30% in the last 30 yrs. oldsoftie Jul 2022 #38
So far, the people who have won in the Roundup lawsuits womanofthehills Jul 2022 #57
As with many agricultural pesticides (many of which are already banned in the U.S. and Europe), Martin68 Jul 2022 #58
Some rat studies have it messing with your white blood cells & liver womanofthehills Jul 2022 #69
Good point. Iowa should be a cancer hotspot NickB79 Jul 2022 #43
Exactly. I don't think there is scientific evidence that glyphosate causes cancer when it is Martin68 Jul 2022 #60
Pre harvest spraying of glyphosate has nothing to do with soil - it's for desiccation of crop womanofthehills Jul 2022 #63
I'm aware that re harvest spraying of glyphosate is for desiccation. Martin68 Jul 2022 #65
We've also got a lot of PFCs in our blood. (Teflon, Scotchguard, etc.) LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #33
More right than you know robodruid1 Jul 2022 #78
So, let me understand. 80% of the world is going to die fom glyphosate? NNadir Jul 2022 #34
Remember the days before glyphosate, womanofthehills Jul 2022 #59
Monsanto Murders DFW Jul 2022 #39
I've noticed the same. Pinback Jul 2022 #67
If it's just your imagination DFW Jul 2022 #75
K&R CountAllVotes Jul 2022 #44
Don't worry! Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #47
So if 20% don't have it, what are imavoter Jul 2022 #48
It's the reason why Monsanto went out of business, bankrupted by lawsuits FakeNoose Jul 2022 #52
Carnivores who live in cattle country are not doomed- lady in my book club sells her grass finished womanofthehills Jul 2022 #64
Non Opinion - Fact Check ProfessorGAC Jul 2022 #53
This article says over 300 million lbs used in USA womanofthehills Jul 2022 #81
No Argument ProfessorGAC Jul 2022 #83
it's no wonder cancer is so prevalent RussBLib Jul 2022 #70

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
27. Problem is our FDA is so connected to big pharma
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:57 PM
Jul 2022

Here is our present guy in Wiki - Robert Califf

Relationships with the pharmaceutical industry

Califf worked very closely with pharmaceutical companies at the Duke clinical trials center "convincing them to do large, expensive, and, for Duke, profitable clinical trials."[12] He was a paid consultant for Merck Sharp & Dohme, Johnson & Johnson, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, and Eli Lilly per ProPublica from 2009 to 2013. The largest consulting payment was $87,500 by Johnson & Johnson in 2012, and "most of funds for travel or consulting under $5,000", which has been called "minimal for a physician of his stature".[13] From 2013-2014 he was paid a total of $52,796, the highest amount was $6,450 from Merck Sharp & Dohme, followed by Amgen, F. Hoffmann-La Roche AG, Janssen Pharmaceutica, Daiichi Sankyo, Sanofi-Aventis, Bristol-Myers Squibb and AstraZeneca.[14] He was the Director of Portola Pharmaceuticals, Inc. from July 2012 to January 26, 2015,[13] An advisor of Proventys, Inc., Chairman of the medical advisory board of Regado Biosciences, Inc. and has been a member of the medical advisory board since June 2, 2009, and a member of the clinical advisory board of Corgentech Inc.[15] Forbes wrote that his close ties to the drug industry were why he was not nominated for the FDA Commissioner position in 2009.[12] Califf's ties to the pharmaceutical industry were criticized by the magazine The American Prospect,[16] and Democratic Senators Bernie Sanders and Joe Manchin who announced their intention to vote against his 2021 renomination.[17]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Califf

Tetrachloride

(9,654 posts)
2. "Linked to cancer" is so passive.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 06:01 PM
Jul 2022

and governments around the world let “them” get away with it.

Not one of the friendly cancers either.

bucolic_frolic

(55,437 posts)
3. It's on the food, it's in the food, it's in the ground the food grows in
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 06:49 PM
Jul 2022

We were taught to wash all vegetables with organic soap wash. But that's just the surface. And lest you think organics are always pure, I think 3 years without chemicals is the threshold in some certifications.

That is scary stuff. It's concentrating. I'm going to make some changes.

Evolve Dammit

(21,802 posts)
6. Ever since I learned that GM potatoes had a gene spliced into the skin that was a registered
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 07:40 PM
Jul 2022

PESTICIDE, I knew we were f'd. Now the PFAS ("forever chemicals) known to cause cancer is just more evidence of how we have been poisoning ourselves for decades. The EPA rules need updating as approximately 10,000 new chemical products are introduced each year with no oversight.

gab13by13

(32,498 posts)
7. Put a GMO potato in a jar of water,
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 07:44 PM
Jul 2022

Put an organic potato in a jar of water.

Within a matter of days the organic potato will grow eyes, the GMO potato never will.

Evolve Dammit

(21,802 posts)
11. It's really a crime that we have had limited consumer protection for decades, even after
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 08:00 PM
Jul 2022

meaningful laws (CAA, CWA, OSHA, RCRA, TSCA, CERCLA, Endangered Species, AHERA) were enacted. Under Nixon mostly, who would never make it out of a primary today. Oh, he opened relations with China too. I'm not a fan by any means, but by today's standards, Nixon was a choir boy.

NickB79

(20,389 posts)
42. That's not a GMO issue
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 11:37 AM
Jul 2022

Most potatoes are sprayed with a growth inhibitor after harvest to keep longer in storage. Organic potatoes aren't, so they grow more easily.

It comes in handy when you're trying to find cheap seed potatoes for your garden 😁

Lonestarblue

(13,524 posts)
73. I didn't know GM potatoes had been developed. How are they identified in groceries?
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 08:14 AM
Jul 2022

I try to buy nothing without the GMO label.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
28. I think the worst part is spraying roundup on crops during harvest
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:09 PM
Jul 2022

- So the crops dry evenly. The US sugarcane crop is sprayed right before harvest “for sweeter sugar”. Oats have the highest levels of glyphosate and people think they are having a healthy breakfast when, in fact, they are eating glyphosate. Almonds are also heavily sprayed with glyphosate- and - millions think almond milk is a healthier alternative. Yuk!!

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
54. Glyphosate is detected in lots of Organics too
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 04:43 PM
Jul 2022

But usually in much lower levels.

Mom’s across America tests lots of products. Here is one on chocolate. After reading this, I totally stopped buying Hersheys.


Glyphosate Test Results in Major Chocolate Brands
POSTED BY ZEN HONEYCUTT 5GS ON APRIL 15, 2022
Hershey’s Chocolate Found to have 4X Higher Levels of Glyphosate than YouTuber, MrBeast’s Chocolate

https://www.momsacrossamerica.com/glyphosate_chocolate

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
4. Considering the fact that when glyphosate was patented
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jul 2022

it was as a chelating agent. Having something permanently in your body that's declared active ingredient binds macro- and micronutrients, essential for many enzymatic reactions and pathogen resistance is probably not a good thing. Just sayin'.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
13. Oh crap. Then how do we get micronutrients into us without ingesting glyphosate?
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 08:06 PM
Jul 2022

Micronutrients absolutely cannot be synthesized and manufactured, so the only way to get them is in whole foods. And now this glyphosate.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
24. Does seem like we're being back into a bit of a nasty corner
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:23 PM
Jul 2022

at least it doesn't seem to bio-accumulate in the body so that's something. It breaks down in less than a year in the soil and binds tightly enough to soil that hopefully it won't screw up ground water too badly. That's pretty much all the good news I can find, seems to be a whole lot of bad news out there.

Rural_Progressive

(1,107 posts)
36. Actually it wasn't
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:56 PM
Jul 2022

until its third patent where it was described as "a parasitic control type antimicrobial, or antibiotic"

There are three separate patents on glyphosate, each for a different use.

Glyphosate was first patented in 1964 by Stauffer Chemical as a metal chelator that was used to clean or descale commercial boilers and pipes (United States Patent 3,160,632). Glyphosate binds to and removes minerals such as manganese, zinc and cobalt that are vital to human and animal health (Johal 2009).

https://gmofreeusa.org/research/glyphosate/glyphosate-overview/

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
55. You are right - I never saw that earlier patent
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jul 2022

It wasn’t till 2003 that Monsanto patented it as a antimicrobial.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
30. While our FDA said no problem
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:22 PM
Jul 2022

'Major Victory': Court Orders EPA Review of Glyphosate's Cancer and Endangered Species Risks
"While it comes too late for many farmworkers and landscapers who suffer after glyphosate exposure, we are grateful for the court's ruling," said a representative for one plaintiff

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ordered the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to review its conclusions about the safety of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, a popular herbicide created by Monsanto—which Bayer acquired in 2018.

The EPA "recently assessed whether glyphosate poses 'any unreasonable risk to man or the environment' and answered, for the most part, 'no,'" the 54-page opinion explains, referring to the agency's widely criticized decision from January 2020.

"A group of petitioners challenged EPA's decision, arguing, among other things, that EPA did not adequately consider whether glyphosate causes cancer and shirked its duties under the Endangered Species Act," the ruling continues. "We agree and remand to the agency for further consideration." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/17/major-victory-court-orders-epa-review-glyphosates-cancer-and-endangered-species

leighbythesea2

(1,291 posts)
46. Read
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 03:11 PM
Jul 2022

That it pushes it to seed more, expanding yield right before harvest. Think same article said its9 so high in breakfast cereal, never eat cereal.

Botany

(77,563 posts)
15. Kuduz killing a forest in the Appalachian Mts.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 08:20 PM
Jul 2022

You got something else that can clean this up and restore that ecosystem I'm
all ears.


Hekate

(100,133 posts)
23. Won't you think of the kids?!
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:13 PM
Jul 2022

Actually, goats are terrific weed-whackers, and I’d love it if individuals and municipalities would think of them first.

Botany

(77,563 posts)
49. The threat to the supportive capicity of our environment by non native invasive species is far ...
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 03:37 PM
Jul 2022

... greater then the threat by glyphosates. I have used it as tool to do ecosystem restoration
for years. Just last week I finished a little project where i used some glyphosate to kill some
miscanthus and other non natives and replaced them with Indian Grass, smooth aster, butterfly
weed, penstemon, blanket flower, and American Wahoo. That little project will support native
pollinators, native birds, butterflies, insects, and hopefully other critters too. It will also help
to fix carbon, build soil, and put water back into the ground.

The picture of the forest I posted is an example of non natives killing off our ecosystems. That
forest will no longer support oak trees, bluebells, ferns, box turtles, ginsing, wood thrushes, snakes,
spring beauty flowers, the spring beauty mining bee, hemlock, American Beech, pine, yellow birch, and
thousands of other critters, plants, microbes, and other stuuf. And it (the kuduz kill zone) will no longer
capture and hold carbon and rain water along with cleaning the air.

BTW it does not kill all life and if you got a better way to control non native invasive plants I'm all ears.


Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
50. "non-native" -- so it's extra-terrestrial?
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 03:42 PM
Jul 2022

Kudzu does not cover the planet.

We are all pissing plastics and pesticides and the kudzu, bean bugs and mosquitoes are still here.

Botany

(77,563 posts)
51. Our native insects and pollinators work lock and key with our native plants and from that ...
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 04:02 PM
Jul 2022

.... comes the base of the highly complex "food web" which works to support our ecological infra
structure.

https://moinvasives.org/2021/02/18/2021-top-invasive-plants-expanding-in-missouri/

NickB79

(20,389 posts)
61. Off-topic, but props on using American wahoo
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 06:54 PM
Jul 2022

Very underutilized species. Mine are finally fruiting this year, after sprouting from seed 6 years ago.

Botany

(77,563 posts)
62. very tough to propagate ..... from cuttings or seeds
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 07:43 PM
Jul 2022

I have been trying to get some going and sending starts to a native plant nursery in Wisconsin.

Great fruit, fall color, and use by native critters although I haven't noticed birds using the fruits in the
winter too much and that might be a function of no longer having the needed birds such as cedar waxwings.

BTW where do you live? General location. I need to get some different ecotypes.





NickB79

(20,389 posts)
76. I'm in southeast MN
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 09:45 AM
Jul 2022

And you're right about germination. The double dormancy is hard to break because you need patience. Still not as hard as the Carolina silverbells I finally got to sprout after forgetting about them for 2 years 🤣 Those are my babies now.

NickB79

(20,389 posts)
79. I did a standard warm/cold/warm stratification
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:02 AM
Jul 2022

This was years ago, so going from memory, but: harvested and depulped, planted immediately in pots. Held at room temp for 90 days, watering periodically, then cold stratified in my fridge for another 90 days, then out to room temp again under grow lights and bottom heat. Even then only a few sprouted. They grew their roots during warm stratification.

I did the same for a flat of white fringetree last year with good results, and witch hazel two years before. The alternative is just planting them outdoors and waiting 2 years for the natural temp cycles to do the job.

Botany

(77,563 posts)
80. I have been burying them in some old socks / hose after i pick them in Dec./Jan. In an area .....
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:19 AM
Jul 2022

.... that does not have standing water and then digging them up around 4/15 and then planting them
in in flats. Which I just put onto fabric. Planting mix = BX gro mix, silica sand, composted manure
with a little espoma plant tone mixed in. BTW that is my go to planting mix ... sometimes i add some
potting soil to that mix.

I wonder if I left the seeds in the ground for 2 years that might increase the germination rate.
Cuttings are a tough go. BTW I have been told that cuttings should be stuck in November/Dec.
..... 2 year wood is the best.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
68. I hope you are wearing a mask and long sleeves when using it
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 11:57 PM
Jul 2022

Inhaling it is super bad. From organophosphates, field workers get asthma and reactive airway disease.

Farmer-Rick

(12,721 posts)
71. There is also the Kudzu bug that kills it
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:02 AM
Jul 2022

Megacopta cribraria, also called the bean plataspid, kudzu bug, globular stink bug and lablab bug, is a shield bug native to India and China, where it is an agricultural pest of lablab beans and other legumes.

But it's favorite is Kudzu. If it infests a patch heavily enough, it can kill the Kudzu in days.

paleotn

(22,448 posts)
16. Surprising? No.
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 08:30 PM
Jul 2022

Not when agribusiness, specifically Monsanto, markets corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, canola...seed as Roundup Ready. Much of our food supply is modified to resist damage from glyphosate herbicides. Thus, Roundup is sprayed with seeming abandon. Increase yields today, worry about cancer tomorrow I guess. We're literally poisoning ourselves and future generations for profit. Ugh.

Scrivener7

(59,807 posts)
66. Because it's produced by Bayer, and Bayer owns lots of Reps and Senators.
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 09:34 PM
Jul 2022

It's been in the courts before often. Bayer always wins the right to continue to sell it.

Also, industrial farmers are totally dependent on it because they have altered the genetics of their crops so they work well with glyphosphate.

FakeNoose

(41,957 posts)
74. The Roundup brand was bought by Bayer a few years ago
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 09:13 AM
Jul 2022

Monsanto no longer makes it because they were bankrupted by lawsuits. As far as I know, Bayer will continue manufacturing and selling Roundup, unless the government shuts it down.

There actually is a valid use for this product, but it's being so overused by farmers now. It needs to be controlled.

Response to riversedge (Original post)

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
26. Last month Bayer lost an appeal to Supreme Court
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:45 PM
Jul 2022

Bayer Loses Again as US Supreme Court Allows $87 Million Roundup Award
An $87 million verdict for California couple is sustained
Bayer not surprised by ruling, says issue will come up again


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Bayard

(29,962 posts)
31. I could never understand why Bayer bought Monsanto
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:33 PM
Jul 2022

When they knew what they were getting into.

Response to womanofthehills (Reply #26)

Martin68

(27,924 posts)
32. Forgive me, but if it that common in the bloodstreams of millions, why do we not all have cancer?
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 10:36 PM
Jul 2022

I agree, it is concerning that there are minuscule traces of glyphosate in most people's blood, but it is used in agriculture everywhere in the Western Hemisphere. Of course it's in our bodies because there are traces of it in much of our food. When we eat a grape with the skin on, we're going to ingest a minuscule amount of glyphosate by-product. Not glyphosate per se, but the molecules that are produced as glyphosate is broken down by bacteria in the soil. I guess my question is, are the by-products of glyphosate dangerous? Can anyone point me two research on that?

Martin68

(27,924 posts)
40. Not all, obviously, but millions did. If almost everybody has these glyphosate by-products in their
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 08:39 AM
Jul 2022

bodies, wouldn't we expect pandemic of cancer?

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
38. I've wondered too. Cancer deaths are down 30% in the last 30 yrs.
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 07:40 AM
Jul 2022

Although diagnosis has increased some.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
57. So far, the people who have won in the Roundup lawsuits
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 05:09 PM
Jul 2022

Are people who applied Roundup - because it’s easier to prove cause and effect. Many, might not get cancer but have other effects - like stomach problems because glyphosate can act like you have a constant antiobiotic in your body. I can’t imagine organs like your liver being healthy having to detox glyphosate every day.


Martin68

(27,924 posts)
58. As with many agricultural pesticides (many of which are already banned in the U.S. and Europe),
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 05:37 PM
Jul 2022

workers in developing countries neither follow protocols prescribed for application of glyphosate, nor do they wear protective clothing. When applied as prescribed by the manufacturer, no one should be ingesting or coming into contact with high concentration on their skin. Neither their government nor their employers enforce precautionary procedures. But the amounts referred to in this post are minuscule, and they are by-products, not pure glyphosate. I have seen no research that suggests glyphosate or its byproducts act as an antibiotic.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
69. Some rat studies have it messing with your white blood cells & liver
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:07 AM
Jul 2022

even with tiny doses. Inhaling organophosphates can kill some of your bronchial cells and lead to reactive airway disease. This happened to me in the 90’s when my city sprayed Malathion in my neighborhood 4 nights in a row for mosquitoes.

NickB79

(20,389 posts)
43. Good point. Iowa should be a cancer hotspot
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 11:43 AM
Jul 2022

Nothing but Roundup Ready corn and soy across the entire Midwest.

And Roundup has been in regular use for 30+ years now.

Martin68

(27,924 posts)
60. Exactly. I don't think there is scientific evidence that glyphosate causes cancer when it is
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 05:52 PM
Jul 2022

correctly applied. As you suggest, locations where intensive agriculture is practiced are the perfect environments to study the long term effects of glyphosate exposure. We haven't seen a pandemic of cancer in those areas.

High nitrate levels in groundwater from fertilizers are known to harm the respiratory and reproductive system, kidney, spleen and thyroid in children and adults, and are particularly harmful to infants. A study found that 29% of Iowa's water systems detected nitrate at or above the federal limit at least once between 2012 and 2019, the years for which data was analyzed. That was second only to Minnesota at 31%. Wisconsin had 22% and Illinois, 17%. Now, that's a serious issue.

I have not seen any research that indicates the by-products of glyphosate as it breaks down in the soil or in the body are cancerous. No one should be ingesting or inhaling glyphosate if it is correctly applied. Like "forever" chemicals commonly found in the soil, water, and air, as well as our bodies, long-term studies should be conducted to determine the possible effects of these substances.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
63. Pre harvest spraying of glyphosate has nothing to do with soil - it's for desiccation of crop
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 08:27 PM
Jul 2022
With major food and grain companies cracking down on farmers spraying glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, and edible beans prior to harvest, the controversial practice may be phased out completely.

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Another major oat buyer, Grain Millers, stopped buying glyphosate-treated oats in 2015. Grain Millers said the weedkiller disrupts the natural maturing process and starch development, resulting in lower quality flakes and flour.

Major food companies are also aiming to stop the use of glyphosate prior to harvest. In February, Kellogg’s announced that that due to consumer concerns about the weed killer, it would work with its suppliers to phase out using glyphosate as pre-harvest drying agent in its wheat and oat supply chains by the end of 2025. In 2019, General Mills announced, as part of its pesticide reduction strategy, that it would start contracting with farmers in Canada to produce oats without the using glyphosate before harvest.

The pre-harvest use of glyphosate allows farmers to harvest crops as much as two weeks earlier than they normally would, an advantage in northern, colder regions. Spraying the weedkiller kills the crop so it will dry sooner and produce more consistent yields. Farmers use glyphosate as a drying agent on wheat and oat crops in the upper Midwestern United States and Canadian provinces such as Saskatchewan and Manitoba. It is also used on edible beans in the upper Midwest and far west states like Washington and Idaho.

https://non-gmoreport.com/articles/days-are-numbered-for-pre-harvest-use-of-glyphosate/

Article doesn't mention that it's also used big time in Florida and Louisianna to dry the sugarcane crop - supposedly, desiccation of sugarcane makes it sweeter!

Martin68

(27,924 posts)
65. I'm aware that re harvest spraying of glyphosate is for desiccation.
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 09:30 PM
Jul 2022

I'm not sure why someone would think glyphosate has anything to do with soil except that it is in the soil that bacteria break glyphosate down. Could you clarify?

LudwigPastorius

(14,840 posts)
33. We've also got a lot of PFCs in our blood. (Teflon, Scotchguard, etc.)
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:10 PM
Jul 2022

...and if you were born before the 70s, you've probably got DDT in your body.

There's a lot of these 'perma-chemicals' that just don't go away.

 

robodruid1

(84 posts)
78. More right than you know
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 09:58 AM
Jul 2022

I am involved in having to clean this stuff up.
With EPA setting LHA numbers of 4 PPQ for PFOA and 20 PPQ for PFOS,. i have no idea how we are ever going to clean this up.
Not enough money in the world.

NNadir

(38,264 posts)
34. So, let me understand. 80% of the world is going to die fom glyphosate?
Sat Jul 9, 2022, 11:24 PM
Jul 2022

This is, frankly, beyond stupid as concerns go, and is reminiscent of the dihydrogen monoxide joke.

It is meaningless.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
59. Remember the days before glyphosate,
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 05:40 PM
Jul 2022

We have all seen the beach pictures from the 50’s where everyone was skinny. Anyway - if it’s bad to breathe in and get on your skin - eating it sounds even worse.



Bayer has been plagued by more than 125,000 lawsuits from plaintiffs who claim the use of glyphosate-based herbicides contributed to their non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. The company resolved about 75% of the cases with a nearly $10 billion settlement last year, but it still faces about 30,000 cases and possibly additional ones in the future. Most claims are associated with residential use of the herbicide on lawns and gardens.
https://cen.acs.org/environment/pesticides/Bayer-end-glyphosate-sales-US/99/web/2021/07

DFW

(60,317 posts)
39. Monsanto Murders
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 07:55 AM
Jul 2022

Like HFCS, glyphosphate should have been banned two decades ago. For a good “roundup” of Monsanto’s mafia-style tactics, read “Seeds of Reprisal.” They have been practically a government within a government, getting Washington to ignore the effects of their poison on living things. They are the makers of Roundup, and have spending many millions to defend their indefensible carcinogen ever since it has been in production. It DOES kill weeds. The trouble is, it kills people, too, and all too often sickens the ones it doesn’t kill.

Several years ago, Monsanto got bought up by the smaller German chemical and pharmaceutical giant, Bayer. The move baffled both economists and experts in the field. That Monsanto was bad news was already common knowledge. The German media puzzled over the logic of the purchase and came up with no possible justification. Monsanto has been nothing but a headache to Bayer ever since, and one can only speculate how many billions in well-hidden bribes went from Monsanto’s treasury to Bayer execs to have the transaction take place.

**on edit, every time something about the ill effects of Roundup or other Monsanto products are mentioned, their defenders show up here demanding proof, just as Walker Merryman defended the tobacco industry, pointing out, as did another poster here already, that far from all smokers develop lung cancer. However, Roundup is considered to be a carcinogen, and the cause of many cancers that would not have occurred without it. Like tobacco defenders usually having ties to the tobacco industry, the defenders tend to somehow have ties to Monsanto, and the detractors do not.

Pinback

(13,614 posts)
67. I've noticed the same.
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 11:26 PM
Jul 2022

It’s as though certain topics (specific corporations, products, etc.) are tracked by keyword and the Concerned Parties spring into action, swarm to shape the discussion, and cast doubt. I know, tinfoil hat stuff. Probably just our imagination.

Kid Berwyn

(24,714 posts)
47. Don't worry!
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 03:13 PM
Jul 2022

Corporate citizens are now fully indemnified and protected from responsibility by SCROTUS.

FakeNoose

(41,957 posts)
52. It's the reason why Monsanto went out of business, bankrupted by lawsuits
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 04:24 PM
Jul 2022

It's been known for years, not surprising at all.

In case you're wondering why "organic" produce and "organically grown" fruits and vegetables are so much more expensive, they are the only food we can eat that hasn't been touched by glyphosate. Pretty much all the farm animals are eating grains sprayed with glyphosate, so the carnivores among us are doomed anyway.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
64. Carnivores who live in cattle country are not doomed- lady in my book club sells her grass finished
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 08:44 PM
Jul 2022

beef. I can see her healthy cows on her land when we have the book club meetings at her place. Whole foods also carries grass fed beef from organically fed animals. I will only eat grass fed/grass finished beef and organically fed chickens. For $10.00, I can get a whole organically fed chicken.

For eggs, I have 10 chickens - I feed them organic grains and organic vegetables because I like to put raw egg yokes in my smoothies.

Certain organic vegetables like carrots, celery, cabbage, lettuce - are pretty cheap. At least they are cheap here in NM.

ProfessorGAC

(76,979 posts)
53. Non Opinion - Fact Check
Sun Jul 10, 2022, 04:38 PM
Jul 2022

I share the concern. But, the MSN article is flawed.
200 million pounds of glyphosate is not used per year. That value is the herbicide formula.
That number is larger than world production of glyphosates.
The actual number is about 25% of that, as the concentrated formulas used in agriculture are 20-30% active ingredient.
I wonder what to what level they are measuring, because the human body is pretty resilient to tiny levels of toxins. Obviously, none is the goal.

womanofthehills

(10,997 posts)
81. This article says over 300 million lbs used in USA
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:20 AM
Jul 2022

It’s too much - whatever number it is.

“It’s no surprise that these chemical poisons are causing severe harm to imperiled wildlife since U.S. use exceeds 70 million pounds of atrazine and 300 million pounds of glyphosate every year,” said Nathan Donley, environmental health science director at the Center for Biological Diversity. “It’s long past time for atrazine to be banned, and the EPA needs to crack down on the reckless overuse of glyphosate. Without real conservation action, these pesticides will continue to push our most endangered wildlife closer to extinction.”



https://sustainablepulse.com/2021/11/18/us-epa-reveals-massive-damage-to-endangered-species-from-glyphosate-and-atrazine/

ProfessorGAC

(76,979 posts)
83. No Argument
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 01:56 PM
Jul 2022

It's grossly overused.
But, there's only around 150 million pounds of the active agent produced yearly around the world.
So, the formulated product, with solvent, water, surfactant & active agent is probably around 25%.
That is then used to create a water based emulsion for spraying.
I agree it's too much, but the article is sloppy with the numbers.

RussBLib

(10,679 posts)
70. it's no wonder cancer is so prevalent
Mon Jul 11, 2022, 12:12 AM
Jul 2022

with all the chemicals we have created and pumped into the ecosphere.

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