Most Democrats Don't Want Biden in 2024, New Poll Shows

[Omaha Steve]

Source: NY Times

With the country gripped by a pervasive sense of pessimism, the president is hemorrhaging support.

By Shane Goldmacher

President Biden is facing an alarming level of doubt from inside his own party, with 64 percent of Democratic voters saying they would prefer a new standard-bearer in the 2024 presidential campaign, according to a New York Times/Siena College poll, as voters nationwide have soured on his leadership, giving him a meager 33 percent job-approval rating.

Widespread concerns about the economy and inflation have helped turn the national mood decidedly dark, both on Mr. Biden and the trajectory of the nation. More than three-quarters of registered voters see the United States moving in the wrong direction, a pervasive sense of pessimism that spans every corner of the country, every age range and racial group, cities, suburbs and rural areas, as well as both political parties.

Only 13 percent of American voters said the nation was on the right track — the lowest point in Times polling since the depths of the financial crisis more than a decade ago.



President Biden in Cleveland last week. Only 26 percent of Democratic voters said the party should renominate him in 2024.Credit...Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html

[HUAJIAO]

1. This is stupid to blame Biden, of course.

[Rebl2]

68. Yes it

certainly is. The problem is we didn’t get an overwhelming majority in the Senate. This has held up much of what President Biden planned to get done. Manchin and Sinema are a large part of the problem.

[ripcord]

93. Part of the problem is Presidential campaign promises

They make promises they can't carry out without approval from Congress and then try and blame Congress for their promise not being kept. They should only make promises they can carry out with their own power.

[Novara]

102. Not a lot can be done by executive orders alone

You do remember the last time we had a "president" who decided to go it alone because he "alone could fix it." I really don't think you want a dictator.

I don't think Biden put his all into trying to get Manchin and Sinema on board. From what I can see, he didn't try hard enough and he gave up.

[cilla4progress]

115. Good point.

...

[treestar]

141. or the voters should know that the promises are to sign/veto bills

according to the positions they have taken. They should have known this from 5th grade, 8 years before they could even vote.

[betsuni]

145. +1

[Mad_Machine76]

167. +1

[OhioTim]

126. It's NOT Biden's Fault

High energy prices are because of Russia's invasion, directly tied to Trump praising him and giving him the feeling he could invade unimpeded.

The rest of the economy has been hurt by the length and severity of the pandemic. Again this falls at the feet of Trump and his media friends. If Trump hadn't downplayed Covid and sowed doubt among the population, tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive and the downturn wouldn't have been so severe.

[Aussie105]

2. Voters promise themselves too much.

No president can deliver what people want from him.
He is not THAT powerful.

They want the passion of a JFK, the intelligence of Obama, and the humanity and empathy of Biden.
(The ability to walk on water and turn water into wine would be appreciated, although not essential requirements.)

All rolled into one person.

Preferably someone in their late 40s with 50 years of political experience.

So go find that person, and vote for him. OK?

[reACTIONary]

8. +10 nt

[Joinfortmill]

18. True, not funny, but funny. Love this.

[chowder66]

23. And they want them to fix all disasters left by Republican Presidents in less than 2 years

without the kind of majorities Republican presidents enjoy.

[CrispyQ]

87. +1

What you said, more than anything. New & young voters are especially impatient. It doesn't help that we no longer teach how government works in school, which only works to the other side's advantage, as evidenced by all whining that Biden/dems aren't getting anything done.

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." ~Karl Rove

[COL Mustard]

38. I've never understood the significance of turning water into wine

I mean, I reverse the process most nights!

But yeah, we want too much from our Presidents sometimes. I'm happy with a non-cult leader who is a damn decent human being and understands loss. Is he perfect? No. But I would rather have Biden on his worst day than that other guy on his best. And I don't even know what his best day would look like, but I'm sure glad he's gone.

[PatSeg]

56. "Someone in their late 40s with 50 years experience."

That sums it up quite well.

Many people want a president like they've seen in movies, a mythological superhero who always does and says the perfect thing. Someone they can put on a pedestal and admire and adore. They look back nostalgically at presidents like FDR or JFK, but they would have been critical of them as well. Unfortunately history and memory focus more on the positive traits and downplay any of the negatives.

In real time, their expectations for one person are unrealistic and are guaranteed to lead to disappointment. Then they go looking for their next fantasy president to eventually be disappointed in.

[betsuni]

65. +1

[Raven123]

3. One election at a time. It's a long way to 2024

[Renew Deal]

15. No it's not. 2024 announcements will start after November

The soonest after November Election Day that he announces he’s not running, the better for Democrats. That’s less than 4 months at this point.

[DemocraticPatriot]

35. NO, Biden not running for re-election is probably NOT good for Democrats..

NO party who failed to re-nominate their first-term president has ever won the general election, since before the civil war.
(I'm not sure if anyone did it then, either)


If Biden doesn't run, for the Democrats to manage to elect someone else would be indeed a history-changing success.

If he runs and has a serious primary challenger, it's over. No party has ever won the general election, if their incumbent president had a serious challenge in the primaries, for as long as we've had primaries.

[BeyondGeography]

40. Either way, we would make history

If elected, Biden would be the first President over 80 to take the oath. As a potentially difficult issue to overcome, this is a lot easier for people to grasp than first ever to win after the incumbent decided not to run.

This is a poll of Democrats. Most it is safe to assume are honestly trying to figure out the best path to victory in 2024. Age polls as their #1 concern for reasons that should be obvious.

[3Hotdogs]

67. Yeah. And no party elected a black guy before 2008.

[BeyondGeography]

71. Or a gay guy before 2024

[Polybius]

77. It won't be 2024

Probably well after.

[BeyondGeography]

84. A gay will be elected Prez before someone in his 80s

[Polybius]

89. Both may not happen in 2024

But if Biden doesn't run, I honestly have no clue who the favorite will be.

[BeyondGeography]

91. Me neither

The midterms will clear the picture somewhat. If we defy convention and hold serve Biden will dig in. If not, he will be under a lot of pressure to pass the torch.

We’ll also have to see what themes carry the day and where and why any swing state surprises happen.

[Polybius]

94. Ya know, you have got me thinking about something

If we hold on or gain seats, I think Biden will announce that he's running for re-election in early 2023. If we barely lose, I think he will will say he's not running by late this year/early 2023. If we lose big, the blame will be so intense that I think that he immediately says he's not running.

[Demsrule86]

174. That is simply not true...and Pete does not have the Black vote thus will not win.

[Raven123]

61. I believe we should focus on 2022.

Speculation over Biden running for re-election is one more distraction from this election cycle, regardless of one’s opinion on the issue.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

132. This 👆

[rockfordfile]

114. I'm voting for President Biden in 2024.

You should cut out the republican talking points.

[disndat]

157. The NYT's poll

is suspect, only 850 people were polled. The Times is pushing hard against Biden, can't put any
credibility with this Siena Poll. they must have a hidden agenda.

[regnaD kciN]

137. See how things boil down in the next year or so...

I remember, just before the midterms of 1982, when the country was in the grip of recession after a bout of stagflation, that the popular joke was that the best way for the Democrats to defeat President Reagan was to have someone run against him. Two years later, Ronnie won 49 out of 50 states.

If his unpopularity is caused by high gas prices and inflation fears, both are likely to go away in the not-too-distant future. We'll see how people react then.

[BeyondGeography]

4. If he was five years younger those numbers would be quite different

But he’s not.

[bamagal62]

28. This.

[KPN]

99. I agree.

[Kaleva]

5. Would like to read the entire article but not interested in creating an account at NYT right now.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Here's an archive.org link

https://web.archive.org/web/20220711113700/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html

[Kaleva]

51. Thanks!

[BumRushDaShow]

60. You're welcome

(it's missing the pictures of some of the featured people but the whole thing is still a bit meaningless given people won't actually start filing to run until next year).

[cilla4progress]

116. I get free access to NYT (if I want it)

through my local library system.

[Lovie777]

6. At this point in time . ....

focus on 2022. The constant negativity and bashing of Pres. Biden and VP Harris is the RWers goal.

But ya know what, I barely see any polls concerning the GQPs. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[COL Mustard]

39. Yup. Focus on 2022.

Gotta keep the House and the Senate (both, preferably, but at least the Senate) or the Country is in big trouble.

[LymphocyteLover]

106. Seriously-- the NYTimes is not our friend and this article is just noise

[PortTack]

107. Nailed it!

[Tomconroy]

7. 80 is really too old.

[Tommymac]

62. I strongly disagree. Not in the 21st Century. 80 is the new 70.

If you have top of the line 21st century healthcare, then 100 is very achievable.

[Tomconroy]

66. We should be like Finland.

Link to tweet

[Polybius]

80. Only 36

Don't know her politics, but since it's Finland she's probably liberal.

[LiberalLovinLug]

128. AOC 2024!

Just kidding.

But why do so many take offence to talking about age? It will be, already has been, the focal point of ridicule and mocking by the right. And it ain't gonna get any better. In fact, all it would take is one bigger gaff, during the next campaign, a noticeable "senior moment" and it would be all over.

That is what most Democrats fear. The unelecability. Not that they don 't support him or his policies.

Worrying about electability has always been a Democratic voter's dilemma. Because Democrats always have to win by millions more votes just to barely squeek in. Because of the unfairness of the electoral system. Which is why it doesn't take much to sway them from voting in someone like Sanders, the person with consistently the highest favorability numbers and lowest unfavourability numbers when he campaigns for the job. Most Democrats will always choose the one with the most favourable chance in how they will be perceived and portrayed by the MSM, over anything else. How much Fox News can use against them. And so no matter how much we love Biden, and admire his tenacity, its all about winning.

[Polybius]

79. "If you have top of the line 21st century healthcare, then 100 is very achievable."

Sure, but not to be President. If there was no term limits, Biden shouldn't run after 2032.

[Buckeyeblue]

122. For some yes. But for most it isn't.

I'll vote for Biden but I would prefer not having an 80 year old as president.

[Tomconroy]

136. Same.

[kiranon]

144. Agree and I am 80 years old

Nothing wrong with my mind but the body is slowing down and I'm doing better than most 80 year old's. Believe we need someone younger to inspire the younger generation and to be able to fight off the radical right in terms they understand. Biden has done a good job which goes unnoticed by most voters. Would like a candidate that is noticeable and shows more of a fighting spirit and charisma. Will wait to see what midterms are like. If not good, then Biden needs to retire from the stage and throw his support to someone else.

[Midwestern Democrat]

165. I had no concerns with Biden's election in 2020 - I was certain enough that he could serve until 82.

It's the second term - him serving from age 82 until age 86 - that I'm much less certain about.

[betsuni]

9. No, bullshit.

[FreepFryer]

10. nytimes reports and reinforces pessimism by using nytimes poll? hmm

[JohnSJ]

58. A little more than three months before the midterms. They have a pattern of doing this

and it is not a coincidence:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2941370

[Joinfortmill]

11. Who are these people? And how much is the media's non-coverage hurting him?

[bucolic_frolic]

12. Joe is too nice to confront the Right

The 1990s don't exist anymore, and incidentally, Bill Clinton was too nice to them as well.

[Joinfortmill]

13. I just looked up who owns the NYT. Very interesting, people.

https://money.cnn.com/quote/shareholders/shareholders.html?symb=NYT&subView=institutional

[BumRushDaShow]

14. The poll question from the headline only asked 191 people

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html



To emphasize the caption -

Asked of 191 respondents who said they planned to vote in the 2024 Democratic primary and who preferred a candidate other than Joe Biden in a New York Times/Siena College poll from July 5-7, 2022.

So "191 respondents" represents "most Democrats".

[FreepFryer]

20. amazing. what fuckers. the article and backup info says a total of 849 voters. thanks bumrush

The Times/Siena survey of 849 registered voters nationwide was conducted from July 5 to 7, in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s June 24 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, eliminating the constitutional right to an abortion, which had been protected for half a century. The ruling sent Democrats into the streets and unleashed an outpouring of political contributions.

data: https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/us0722-crosstabs-nyt071122/33ffa85627ee4648/full.pdf

[Tomconroy]

34. The poll was of 849 people. Of those people 37 percent said they were likely

To vote in the Democratic Party. Of that number 64 percent preferred someone other than Joe Biden. That is how they got to 191.

The good news is they have Biden beating Trump by a bit.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. I hadn't gotten to the cross-tabs

since I've been fooling around with the Bannon story.

IMHO, an election for President that is still 2 years off, makes any polling now meaningless, although obviously poll outfits have to justify their business models and raison d'etre, and continually gauge their audiences.

Alternately, the happenings of the J6 Committee hearings, subpoenas, potential testimony, and contempt charges, ARE relevant because those are happening in the here and now.

ETA - you cannot broadbrush "191 respondents" as "the Democrats", when you have 49.3 million registered Democrats (as of 2021).

[disndat]

37. Yes,I think the NYTimes

pushing for Biden's demise is suspect.

[Bayard]

17. What else is he supposed to be doing?

Especially with people in his own party sabotaging his agenda.

Instead of focusing on negatives he can't control, the media should be covering on what he can control and has done. For instance, getting a catastrophic epidemic under control.

[Herx]

19. Voters are stupid, sadly

There's a tendency in the media not to blame voters for anything.
And that's understandable because voters will boycott news outlets if they're called dumb.
But I don't own a cable channel or a newspaper so here it goes:
Voters a major reason why America is screwed.

[marble falls]

27. Ignoring voters got us screwed.

[SouthernDem4ever]

29. Very True

The voters have spent the last 30 years abdicating their rights to fascist assholes who could care less about their plight or good governance. They have no one to blame but themselves for leaving a senate deadlocked with people on the right who couldn't give a crap what is good for this country or the voters. They are there to enrich themselves only. The old argument "they are all crooked" has come to fruition thanks to them.

[CrispyQ]

92. +1. This.

Throughout my adult life most of my family/friends were non-voters. My husband stopped voting when he was young, before we met. I never said anything, but in 2004 I finally told him, you damned well better vote. By then, the repubs had done a significant amount of damage in so many ways. The courts, the media, the acrimony in politics—all tainted by republicans & the right.

[BradAllison]

82. True

They love liberal policies until you call them "liberal". Then they hate them and say they're "conservatives".

[ihaveaquestion]

97. Bold actions - even if they are reversed by courts

Executive orders such as allowing abortions on federal lands for example. It might be blocked by court order, but it would get attention and boost support among voters.

Elie Mystal lays out the problem and more than one solution on Katie Phang's show last week...

[area51]

142. +1 n/t

[Mad_Machine76]

168. But what about

the women and providers whom would be put at risk once they step off Federal lands?

[Freethinker65]

21. Economy is recovering from pandemic which is leading to inflation

SCOTUS is taking away rights. Congress is dysfunctional.

Biden was elected to bring back stability. Considering what he is dealing with that is beyond his control, he is doing a better than adequate job. Not as forceful using the bully pulpit as many Democrats would like, but still trying to thread the needle in bringing as much of the sane remaining voters of this country together.

I doubt Biden will actually run for a second term.

[Basic LA]

63. Great summation.

I agree.

[Demsrule86]

173. Mark my words Biden will run for a second term as he understand incumbency...and he will win.

He has said he will run...and fuck the NYT...they print nothing but shit about Biden...not this time media. We will win in 24 despite your bullshit...NYT.

[betsuni]

177. +1

[Demsrule86]

178. And if for some reason Biden can't continue...we get Kamala...not a bad thing.

[FBaggins]

22. And the list of people they also "don't want" in 2024

Must be enourmous

[chowder66]

24. +1

[Lonestarblue]

25. Biden does not send constant tweets for the press to report on rather than real news.

So they create controversy to stir up the masses and get more clicks on their articles. The press is eager to do Biden in because a quietly competent president doesn’t create money for them.

[SouthernDem4ever]

32. He takes care of business instead of blowing off about how good he's doing

whereas the last guy sat around tweeting how wonderful he was while doing nothing but fleecing his dumb supporters.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. He, Harris, and the Department/agency heads are constantly sending out tweets

including links to the Fact Sheets and other items.

And the media refuses to report on it.

They did some reporting on this -

Link to tweet

President Biden
@POTUS
·
Follow
United States government official
The American story isn't a simple one – it never has been. But when we honor the Americans who embody the soul of our nation, we’re reminded who we are at our best.

And what we should strive to be.
12:33 PM · Jul 10, 2022

But did anyone headline this?

Link to tweet

President Biden
@POTUS
·
Follow
United States government official
On Monday I'm hosting a celebration of the passage of the Safer Communities Act. I'm working on my remarks this afternoon.

I want to hear from you. Text me at [phone] and share how gun violence has impacted your community. If it's okay with you, I may share your story.
President Biden works on a speech.
11:58 AM · Jul 9, 2022

[betsuni]

151. Thank you!

[ramen]

54. I'm not sure that polling is 'stirring up the masses,'

it seems more like collecting data, to me. If Biden decides to run for reelection then he has my vote, but meanwhile, I'd rather we have more information than less as we discuss 2024 plans.

[SheltieLover]

26. Voters are dissatisfied because slob is not behind bars & ruskie assets in congress

None of which is Joe's fault. But patriarchy has this superman image of the all powerful leader...

IDGAF if Dems nominate a parakeet, that's where my vote will go!

Btw, many thanks to the msm for constantly bashing Joe & ignoring his many accomishments.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. ...

(yes I'm messin' with ya )

[SheltieLover]

48. Cute!

Last edited Mon Jul 11, 2022, 10:00 AM - Edit history (1)

Thx for the chuckles!

[BumRushDaShow]

59. I had found that a few years ago

and thought it was hilarious...

I used to have a parakeet when I was a kid.

[SheltieLover]

64. I had one as a kid, too!

[Polybius]

81. None of which is Joe's fault.

Some here say it is. They want him to fire Garland and hire a hardass AG. I'm not one of them, however.

[doc03]

30. I think Biden has done a good job, it is his age bothers me. That was the

reason I did not want him nominated in 2020 but I voted for him in the general. I know from
my own experience being 74 you are not as sharp mentally at our age. Biden's biggest problem is two
of our Senators.

[oldsoftie]

75. it can't be ignored. I backed him from the start thinking he was best to beat Trump

But even during the primary he said he was a "transitional" president. I even think he mentioned it being likely he'd only serve 1 term. But its far too early for him to say he's NOT running

[Skittles]

152. no one would want an 80 year old pilot or surgeon

there are reasons for that

[doc03]

154. +1 Trump is a little younger and obviously his mental state is much worse than

Republicans are claiming about Biden.

[Lulu KC]

31. I miss Eric Boehlert more every day

This is just more of the Dems falling apart story line.

[Pmc1962]

33. This made me so angry!

This was the top story on their website.

There’s a war on women, a war in Europe, oligarchs destroying the climate and the economy, guns murders by the dozen, etc and the NYT decides this is their top story.

No reporting of what Biden has done, or is trying to do, to make things better.

Perhaps, if they actually reported the goals and achievements of the administration, in addition to the craven antics of the R’s, blocking everything they can, just perhaps, there would be more support. But why do that when they can print this trash?

This constant undermining of this President (and our 2016 candidate) is not an accident. We need to call them out in it at every turn.

[ananda]

41. Honestly, I blame Republicans for everything wrong.

That is all.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

43. I used to be a big supporter of the NY Times.

They used to be the standard against which all other papers were measured. Now? Simply creating copy to generate emotional response to sell papers. The next election is over 2 years away. I don't like living in the future. The time to decide if he is renominated is at the convention. Not today. For all we know this is the kind of thing the Right would plant in the media to divide the Left (Dems anyway). Whether or not he's re-nominated is really not worth investing any energy in, imho.

[PortTack]

109. Me too...not for a long time now

[Claustrum]

45. I was a Biden supporter since the beginning of the 2020 primary.

Due to his age, I am at least skeptical about his run in 2024. It has nothing to do with my continue support for him as a president right now. But it has everything to do with who he might be running against. Biden was the perfect candidate to run against TFG as he is the perfect opposite of what TFG stands for. If republicans is putting TFG as their nominee, I have no problem with having Biden run against TFG again. But if they put up someone younger (like DeSentis), then I would rather someone younger running on our side.

Also, part of Biden's message back in 2020 is to act as a bridge to get younger democrats into that leadership role. Of course, Biden is currently the president and leader of the democratic party so getting that one replacement is hard as it would muddy the water and effectively put Biden's leadership in question. So we are kind of in a weird place until at least after the mid terms when we know how congress will shape up (whether we hold any of the house or senate). Then we can better decide who will be running in 2024. Of course, president Biden gets to decide for himself what he wants to do.

[jmbar2]

46. Why are we bashing our party?

Some sort of death wish?

[iluvtennis]

47. I'm voting for Biden. These so called dems can go f themselves.

And btw, I'm so tired of the false narrative that Biden is sooo old. Biden and tfg are from the same generation - the early 1940s.

[Claustrum]

50. Like I said in another post,

I have no problem with president Biden running against TFG again. But his age would be highlighted and a problem if he is running against someone younger like DeSentis.

[jimfields33]

73. True. Biden was born in 1942. Trump was born in 1946.

4 years is nothing!!!!!!!

[PortTack]

110. Amen to that!!

[PdamnedQ]

49. The "Old Gray Lady" has reduced herself to clickbait.

Water is wet and it might be pee is their SOP.

[DFW]

52. We keep seeing this same headline on DU like clockwork, just about every week

Different poll, same result.

I suppose there is a reason we need this pounded into our consciousness on a weekly basis, but it continues to escape me.

Under the circumstances, Joe Biden seems to be doing a job above and beyond the call. He is standing against Republicans, who still enjoy a lot of perverse support in the USA; against Putin, who still enjoys a lot of support in Russia; against a hostile press, who, for example, screams when the price of gas goes up, and becomes mute when it comes down; and against religious whackos, who somehow continue to manage to exert influence beyond their numbers. I would think that with Harris as the logical successor, should he step down, we lose the next presidential election, since the Sanders-against-the-rest-of-the-world play, Act III, would distract us yet again, and Harris just doesn't have the base. The Republicans would unite behind some noisy, useless, manipulated nut case, as usual, and then the Warsaw Pact gets re-established within six weeks of the 2025 inauguration.

At least the pitiful Euro would regain some of its strength against the newly-more-pitiful dollar, and American products would become more competitive on the world market. Why cheerleading this new/old news on a weekly basis at this point is becoming habitual on DU is a little puzzling.

[betsuni]

55. +1

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

53. Manchin and Sinema have obstructed President Biden's, and

the Democratic party's, agenda. Big oil has raised the cost of gasoline and diesel in order to get more of the GOP candidates that they own and operate into office.

Combined, they are near 100% to blame for President Biden's declining popularity.

[JohnSJ]

57. FUCK THE NY TIMES, who in their infinite wisdom, a little over 3 months before the midterms, start

pushing this bullshit.

Interesting that Bloomberg decides to have billionaire and hedge fund manager, Leon Cooperman pushing the same garbage. The new talking point, pass it around. In addition, Cooperman was blaming all the issues we face today on President Obama, along with saying how good trump was for the economy. I might as well turn on fox news if I want to hear this garbage. Ignoring the trump trade wars, mishandling of the pandemic, and giving putin the green light to invade Ukraine.

Approval polls like this always are skewed against the Democrats, because they include the far left who they identify as Democrats.

This morning Bloomberg is doing the same crap.

How convenient.

This talking point is almost right out of the twitter feeds of David Sirota, Briahana Joy Gray, etc. who did everything to undermine Hillary in the 2016 general election.

This is the same NY Times that blamed the "hubris" of President Obama, on why the republicans rejected climate change

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html

The same NY Times that blamed the Democrats on the gridlock occurring at the FEC, ignoring that it was actually the republicans on that commission who refused ANY compromise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/fec-elections-ann-ravel-campaign-finance.html

The same NY Times that gave us Judith Miller, and helped lying us into the Iraq war that killed over a million people.

The same NY times that pushed the LIE that the email investigation had been reopened, when it was nothing of the kind.

etc. etc. etc.

They are playing the same f**king game they did in 2016, our illustrious "libural" media.

Let's demoralize voting turnout in the midterms, so the Supreme Court, overturning Roe V Wade, an insurrection against the government by the republican party, and other draconian actions are forgotten.

Suddenly they are all pushing the theme how Democrats are going to get slaughtered in the midterms

If the DEMOCRATS don't turn out in huge numbers in November, and vote Democratic, and allow the media to manipulate the "talking points", fuck it all

In case anyone didn't realize the 2024 Presidential Election is over two years away, and with the upcoming midterms, this poll headlined?

[yaesu]

69. After reading the polling details this isn't news, its RW propaganda. nt

[JohnSJ]

88. Of course it is. Over two years before the presidential election, with the midterms right around

corner

How convenient that the trump trade wars and mishandling of the pandemic, along with green lighting Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, and certain members of the left who will always respond negatively to such approval polls toward anyone the regard as “establishment” Democrats

They are starting a little early to do to Biden what they did to Hillary

I wonder how many Democrats will see through this crap, and not be dissuaded from voting in the midterms

[IronLionZion]

70. Biden himself may be fed up

unreasonable amount of obstruction from GOP, RW supreme court, blamed for stuff he can't control, etc.

But who else would run? Kamala Harris?

[LakeArenal]

86. President Biden will be a two term president.

I care not for what polls say.

Personally, I know a lot of Democrats. Not one has said ANYTHING like this. Not one.

[zanana1]

72. I stopped believing in polls when they read that trump was three or more points behind Hillary.

[867-5309.]

74. It won't matter if he doesn't get a substantial challenger

And who would that be?

[ripcord]

90. Gavin Newsom

[867-5309.]

95. Substantial, but would he challenge Joe?

That's the question.

[PortTack]

111. No..he wouldn't..he's too smart, young and plenty of time for him in the future to run

[867-5309.]

117. That's my point...

no one of substance will challenge Joe if he runs, imo. I think the 2024 nomination is his for the asking.

[NullTuples]

76. THIS is the ultimate purpose of McConnell's campaign of obstructionism & it works.

Sure, it dismantles the solidity & health of our nation but what does he care? There's power to be grabbed...

[Escurumbele]

78. Democrats need to yell out their accomplishments, people are always in the dark of what this

administration does, republicans on the other hand advertise any shitty thing they do, remember all the noise they made about the "Tax Cuts" that were going to hurt most everyone? The propaganda was non-stop and people bought it.

Democrats need a PR person who can start a campaign to tell everyone about Biden's accomplishment and the crazy opposition by republicans, because the republican propaganda is working 24/7 to discredit Biden and Democrats.

[Polybius]

83. A question for DU presidential historians:

When was the last President who decided not to run for re-election after his first term? LBJ doesn't count, since he had more than 1 term (1.5).

[former9thward]

124. LBJ (and Truman) do count.

The only reason either became president was death of the president. In both cases they won their first election as a continuation of the dead president. They served that term and did not run for a second because of unpopularity.

[Polybius]

149. By saying LBJ doesn't count, I mean besides someone who inherited the Presidency

So who didn't seek a second term that served only one 4 year term?

[Demsrule86]

166. Truman did run...and he won which surprised everyone...ah the power of incumbency.

[former9thward]

171. Yes, he got one elected full term.

But he declined to run for a second because he had become unpopular (mainly because of the Korean War).

[Midwestern Democrat]

164. I believe it was Rutherford B. Hayes, whose election was easily the most suspect in U.S. history.

Before him, both Polk and Buchanan pledged to only serve one term and kept that promise.

[aocommunalpunch]

85. I'd like Biden to say he was wrong

when he said he could work with Republicans and their fever would break. We must work together to defeat Republicans, since they can't be reasoned with.

That's what I want him to say. He won't, but I think it would help define the enemy, instead of letting people think you're still chasing the bipartisanship dragon. Common sense has told voters that ship sailed before Joe said he could work with the other side.

[Escurumbele]

101. I'm with you. I said it during the campaign, anyone who thinks they can work with repubs are

lying to themselves and everyone else.

Its like the idiots who think trump will not throw them under the bus...repubs WILL NOT WORK with Democrats, they have a different agenda, and that agenda does not include making the USA a better place for everyone.

[inwiththenew]

96. If they run Desantis then President Biden's age is going to be a big issue in the election

The media is already regularly talking about his age. If you put him up next to a 45 year old Desantis it is going to be one of the main things the media talks about. Trump only won by 70k votes thanks in large part to fake email scandal that the media wouldn't stop talking about. A constant stream of stories about President Biden fitness for the job because of his age could sway enough swing voters to give it to the Republicans like in 2016. Less than 100k voters spread out in a handful of key states can swing the entire election.

[Baggies]

98. There's really no denying this

And yet I see posters on this site insisting that all is well and that the mid-terms are not a concern. It's a real head scratcher and I admit I don't get it. I don't know how you lessen what appears to be headed our way by denying what's happening all around you. It's like the tidal wave is coming but you're sure you can spend the next several hours sunning on the beach.

[Escurumbele]

103. It's called "The Ostrich Syndrome", hide your head in the sand, never know when the machete is

coming...

Yes, people need to wake up, and as I said on a previous post, Democrats need to use the waves much better, they need to combat the republican propaganda with force, enough with being reactive.

[Baggies]

108. So what do these people do after the machete strikes?

Do they become even more angry? Do they start claiming there was voter fraud and cheating? Do they blame "messaging" and then double down on what turned voters away? Is there any level of denial and/or placing the blame on voters at all? Do they deny there's even a problem at all?

Because all of these only lead back to it happening again and again.

[DownriverDem]

100. Dumb

Causing infighting will not help anything for such a serious upcoming election. trump is 3 years younger than Biden. Why isn't he being attacked for his age?

[Escurumbele]

105. Because republicans understand the "old guy" routine works.

I have friends all over the World, and many of them don't pay too much attention to USA politics, when they refer to Biden they call him "El Viejito", "Il Vecchio", "Der Alte Mann", "O Velho Homem", when I tell them what you wrote, that he is only three years older than the buffoon they are surprised. What we need to understand is that the republican propaganda spreads all over the World, Democrats need to do the same, there is so much to spread around (all true) against republicans, why is it that its not happening?

[Ford_Prefect]

104. More Click Bait from MSM maggots trying to sh*t stir the Democratic party!

Before he was the candidate they ran the same push polls and headlines using tiny samples to predict how 79 million people would vote. They were wrong then and guilty of ageism along with it. They are still at it today IMO.

[LenaBaby61]

130. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Raster]

162. The NYT has descended fastly and firmly into magat land.

[Ford_Prefect]

163. They were headed there during W and Obama years. Certain members of the editorial board

and a few reporters seem to have it in for Democrats and Biden especially. The same people are Trump, GOP and Wall Street apologists.

[J_William_Ryan]

112. If Democrats are unhappy with President Biden

Then they need to elect overwhelming majorities to Congress.

Then watch President Biden get things done.

[rockfordfile]

113. BS. It seems they keep pushing republican bs. I will vote for President Biden easily in 2024

[elleng]

118. Bull shit! Saw headline @ grocery store; luckily, not angry enough for it to impair my driving.

[OneCrazyDiamond]

119. Maybe

But not after we see who his opponent is. I bet his numbers shoot right up after that.

During the Primary I was for Bernie, President Biden has done a pretty good job considering the Senate makeup.

[Politicub]

120. I think we need to step back and think about why this is happening.

Another poll shows that support for democrats has increased in the wake of Roe v. Wade being overturned. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-get-bounce-in-polls-after-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/ar-AAZqkJf?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=eda04a6b685d4a42facf6c9325d7280d

The question then becomes, why isn't Biden experiencing an increase in his approval rating if people are supporting democrats more overall?

This picture may change as time goes on. But if recent polling is correct, then the democratic party is more popular than its leader.

Popularity isn't the only barometer of electoral success. It can't be denied that it is a factor, though.

It's a sensitive topic on DU for good reason. Personally, I worry that I come across as someone who does not support Biden. Of course, I do support him but not everything that he does (nomination of Biggs for example really, really bothers me).

I also am worried about the damaging decisions the Supreme Court will continue to make if something doesn't change about it (expanding the number of justices of whatever). The decisions aren't Biden's fault. I do fault the senate democrats who are clinging to the filibuster excuse as standing in the way of abortion rights, voting rights, and makeup of the court.

It's a complicated time right now. I will always vote for democratic candidates up and down the ticket and will throw my full support behind Biden or whoever our standard bearer is for 2024.

[Demovictory9]

121. Well said

[disndat]

123. The current Supreme court

is turning out to be Biden's greatest gift. We will see in the midterms. That may turn out
to be the biggest ever.
He's also made the wealthiest nervous with his promise to make the rich pay higher taxes to
pay for his programs. Probably the people behind the "Biden too old and doddering" push imho.

[SunImp]

125. Don't worry about it

It's a sensitive topic on DU for good reason. Personally, I worry that I come across as someone who does not support Biden. Of course, I do support him but not everything that he does (nomination of Biggs for example really, really bothers me).

Don't worry about "the Biden administration can do no wrong types". People who believe their favorite politicians/celebrities are "always right" stopped living in the real world a long time ago. You have been perfectly rational in all these threads involving President Biden. There wasn't any hate or harsh words directed at him just reasonable criticism that we need more of here.

[moose65]

138. It IS complicated

Remember during Trump's term, there were quite a few people who expressed disgust with Trump's personal behavior - but they kept on supporting him anyway.

When a question is asked as it was in this poll, people tend to imagine their perfect candidate, and then they say they want someone else. But when push comes to shove, will they abandon Biden? The poll should have a follow-up question: If Biden IS the nominee, would you vote for him against.... and then have a list of the GOP clowns.

[marieo1]

127. A Hero

I love President Joe Biden and everything he stands for...............he's a good man to lead our country!!

[manicdem]

129. Kamala for 2024

Biden's done the best he could do under the circumstances given to him. But his age does worry me not just for the Presidency, but also for many in SCOTUS and Congress. But the Presidency is the hardest and most time sensitive job out of all of them. A President has to be very tough for the job during emergencies. Like a terrorist attack, war with China, etc. A President has to be able to work days, maybe weeks, without much sleep and be traveling and doing multiple things at the same time. It's just natural for people up there in age to have difficulties with those.
We should be pushing for Kamala for President in 2024. We got the first female black judge on SCOTUS, now we need one for the Presidency.

[Polybius]

150. Personally, I prefer Gavin

Although I will support whoever the nominee is.

[ThunderRoad]

159. I agree

Kamala is our strongest candidate. She could reach 380+ electoral votes.

[Demsrule86]

172. No, Biden for 24...and since VP Harris did not do well in the primary. I can't see her

being the only one running in 28...we have to win and use sensible ideas of what is possible.

[Demsrule86]

180. No, we want to win the election...and there is not way VP Harris can win the rustbelt.

I am sad to say this but it is true. Incumbents have power also...so no...I am sure you are one who didn't want Joe to begin with...well too bad.

[llashram]

133. who in the hell

is this new "standard-bearer" to be? A lot of Democrats just don't understand the monumental effort necessary by the Biden Administration to clean up our democracy after trump the narcissistic chump. The chump called trump did his damndest to make President Biden's transition extremely difficult. Why all these so-called polls? It just passes on the message that we are weak when in our President and vice-President the opposite is true.

Do you agree with these 'polls'?

[Marcuse]

134. Unavailable

[progressoid]

135. Ikind of thought it was assumed he wouldn't run again.

[marti]

139. disgusted that dems keep self -sabotaging and giving repugs more ammunition

[CaptainTruth]

140. I hate the "is the nation on the right track" question, it's far too ambiguous without asking "Why?"

For example, if I was asked "Do you believe the nation is on the right track?" I would say "NO!"

Why? Because right-wingers have taken over SCOTUS & they're taking the rights of Americans away, the Radical Right is taking over school boards so they can indoctrinate our children into being Fox-watching sheep, the GOP is taking away voting rights, & the GOP is pushing the independent state legislature theory which could allow state legislatures to ignore our votes etc etc so HELL NO the country is NOT on the right track!!!

NONE of that reflects badly on Joe Biden, but that's not how the media will portray my answer.

[betsuni]

146. +1

[Skittles]

143. and THIS is why he was not my choice for 2020

INDEED

[GoldandSilver]

147. Biden didn' t create the mess we're in

and it’s pretty damn hard to solve all the issues given that the function of the Republikan Party is to go against anything a Democrat (particularly Joe Biden) promotes no matter what the US wants or needs. We have a 2 party political system that the Republikans want bury. They simply want to be only Party. We’ve seen how that works.

I will always be a fan of Joe Biden and I will be forever grateful that he was a stabilizing force after the disaster of the Oranage Menace, but I want a younger Democrat to be the Democratic nominee for 2024. A representative that can bring Dems together to be force we really are. One that can re-educate Republikans on the history and merits of American Democracy, American republicanism and the function of a representative government.

Who is that leader? I dunno, but they better show up real soon!

[pstokely]

148. Is it even an age issue?

Biden and many other Dem long time office holders came of age politically in a different era than young progressives, I think many Dems and left leaning indies may want their own left wing MAGAt cult, and they may want Biden fighting on Twitter, the problem is the boomers aren't dying early like previous generations and putting the youngsters in charge, GenX never gets blamed for anything but they've never had any power being a demographically small generation due lower birth rates

[Aussie105]

153. If you want to talk age . . .

TFG is mentally and physically 20 or 30 years older than his actual age, due to bad diet, weight and history of drug taking.

Biden is 20 years younger than his physical age due to his normal weight, good diet, and no known drug history.

And damn, he rides a bicycle! TFG can barely walk around a golf course!

So yeah, one is about 110, the other about 60.

If one of them was to die in their sleep one night soon, my money would be on Fat-a-Lardo.

Still want to say the current POTUS is too old? Don't make me laugh!

[newdayneeded]

155. If I could redo time and fate

Beto O'Rourke would be Governor of Texas for the last 4 years. Biden would serve out his absolutely needed term (right guy at the right time) and Beto would step in as a young charismatic torch carrier.

But, here we are. I love Biden, but I'll admit, I don't watch his speeches because of the times he slips or faulters.

Biden saved us from huge trump destruction. There's no denying that!

[zentrum]

156. I like Newsom and....

..Governor Murphy of New Jersey. Good Democrats.

[betsuni]

158. If there was a young president it would be the same whining about broken promises and

disappointment and gaffes and not doing this, not doing that, not enough of this, too much of that.

[onetexan]

160. BS poll

[Raster]

161. Wow! Is it 2024 already?!?

My how time flies when the New York Times is doing yet another hit job on a Democratic politician.

The New York Times is a piece of shit. Had a subscription for years and then canceled it when I realized the way they "reported" "news" about the Dems and the Rethugs seemed to be quite different.

Oh, and not to mention, their "leading reporters" tend to hold back crucial information for their books.

Seriously, why even post this shit here?

[mahina]

169. Hacks gonna flack

Bullshit.

[flying_wahini]

170. They didn't ask me.

[Skittles]

175. exactly why he was never my pick

but, here we are

[Ondodoayst]

176. 1. Most Democrats Don't Want Biden in 2024, New Poll Shows

It’s completely unclear what will happen next, maybe it’s not a Biden anymore, but some kind of his successor will be nominated, but you need to think carefully about the upcoming elections, since the decision will very seriously affect the fate of everyone

[llashram]

181. why this shit

coming from alleged Democrats here? A poll need not be quoted with the war with the extreme RW GOING ON NOW. I am getting sick of this poll bullshit 2 years out designed to muddy the chances of Democrats' midterm election.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

179. I think if we are honest, most of us didn't vote "for" Biden - we voted against Trump

Biden was the candidate that wasn't necessarily the first choice for many of us, but was someone we could all live with.

But let's not kid ourselves - roughly half this country would vote to suspend the constitution and allow for a strongman dictator if the price of gas could be brought back < 2.50 a gallon and the hemorrhaging at the grocery store would end.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

182. Yet this recent Politico poll says 72% of Democrats would back Biden in 2024

So which one is incorrect?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-poll-finds-53-of-gop-voters-would-back-trump-in-2024-and-72-of-democrats-would-back-biden/ar-AAZNoFu