Half of G.O.P. Voters Ready to Leave Trump Behind, Poll Finds

[Omaha Steve]

Source: NY Times

By Michael C. Bender

As Donald J. Trump weighs whether to open an unusually early White House campaign, a New York Times/Siena College poll shows that his post-presidential quest to consolidate his support within the Republican Party has instead left him weakened, with nearly half the party’s primary voters seeking someone different for president in 2024 and a significant number vowing to abandon him if he wins the nomination.

By focusing on political payback inside his party instead of tending to wounds opened by his alarming attempts to cling to power after his 2020 defeat, Mr. Trump appears to have only deepened fault lines among Republicans during his yearlong revenge tour. A clear majority of primary voters under 35 years old, 64 percent, as well as 65 percent of those with at least a college degree — a leading indicator of political preferences inside the donor class — told pollsters they would vote against Mr. Trump in a presidential primary.

Mr. Trump’s conduct on Jan. 6, 2021, appears to have contributed to the decline in his standing, including among a small but important segment of Republicans who could form the base of his opposition in a potential primary contest. While 75 percent of primary voters said Mr. Trump was “just exercising his right to contest the election,” nearly one in five said he “went so far that he threatened American democracy.”

Overall, Mr. Trump maintains his primacy in the party: In a hypothetical matchup against five other potential Republican presidential rivals, 49 percent of primary voters said they would support him for a third nomination.



Former President Donald J. Trump at a rally in Anchorage last weekend.Credit...Ash Adams for The New York Times


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html

[Walleye]

1. And the hearings aren't even over yet

[Roy Rolling]

2. Sheep

Anyone stupid enough to back Trump is just waiting for the next moron to rise up from the last director-wannabe’s ashes.

I have no more fucks to give. People with no character nor principles are dangerous with any amount of power. Catering to their whims is not politics it’s hero worship.

[Novara]

4. The sheep would follow prominent republicans if they turned against him

That would seal his political coffin.

[SergeStorms]

53. DeSantis.

He's just waiting on the sideline, throwing Florida into the fascist states of America column, and waiting for Trump to self-destruct.

He's the GQP's new fair-haired fascist, and he'll be their nominee. Count on it.

[Lovie777]

3. Fickle . ....

especially the corporate polling's except when it comes to the recent President of the USA.

Same with major news papers.

Will corporate media finally announce that the GQP are in disarray.

[joshdawg]

5. So, if they are pulling away from tfg, who are they backing?

desantis, abbott????? Both of them are worse than tfg, in my opinion. All are a waste of skin and oxygen.

[ancianita]

34. Exactly. If this poll is even true, all they'll be doing is rearranging christo-fascist chairs on

the deck of the GOP submarine.

If this poll is true, they'll be getting groomed for a smarter version of Trump, which is such a low bar that Biden can eat their breakfast, lunch and dinner.

[Novara]

6. What in hell would the media fixate on if he wasn't in the race?

He's an addiction to them. They'd be in serious withdrawal, as would be the chaos junkies.

[True Blue American]

12. You said it!

The media spends most of it’s time on Trump, the rest trying to convince us how low Biden’s polls are. Yet Biden still wins, especially women and jhe young.

I wish someone, anyone would explain why These over 65 love Trump. He is against every program they depend on!

[Diamond_Dog]

16. Beats me!

All I can come up with is that he hates the same people they hate (immigrants, people of color, the poor, single moms, feminists, gays, liberals)

[SouthernDem4ever]

20. They are brainwashed by right wing media

propaganda repackaged over and over.

[True Blue American]

27. It is not just right wing.

Every story begins with,” Amid falling ratings,” no matter what he accomplishes.

Morning Joe actually contradicted them this morning. Biden is winning women, the young and pretty much every segment. He still beats Trump.

[SouthernDem4ever]

28. Agreed but...

the right wing indoctrination process began 35 years ago which is how it became so ingrained as to allow totally worthless crazy idiots to win elections and take over state politics. It explains some of the difficulty trying to bring them back to reality.

[True Blue American]

35. Even more it is affecting others.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. I was hoping for this.

Madison Avenue has trained the American Public for more than a century to grow bored and tired with a product after a spell and to desire something to replace it. And Trump can't re-invent himself.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

31. That is what my thought stream has been this morning...

... TFG is their fad. And fads come and go. How many still have their pet rocks.

[no_hypocrisy]

36. Or Mood Rings

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

43. Those, too...

... eom.

[DFW]

8. If this even close to indicative, it ought to be disturbing

It would mean that half of Republican voters still DO support him. In other words, fully 50% of the voters for the opposition party are fully bonkers.

[mucifer]

9. Hopefully a big chunk of them will turn away from hate. But, I think they are addicted and

they will all find another hateful candidate

[thesquanderer]

10. If 49% still support him throughout 2024, it's pretty likely he wins the nomination.

Unless he only has one serious rival, no other single candidate has a chance of beating 49% support in the primaries. Though the primaries are by state, so it's possible that he could win big in states that have fewer delegates, and lose big in states that have more.

[3Hotdogs]

14. True. The other wankers will share votes, maybe Cruz 6%, Little Marco 2%, DeS 27% Abbott 15%.

Another question... will there be another G.O.P. candidate with an ounce of sanity to enter the prima... Aw. silly me.

[Jose Garcia]

52. Much less than that

He clinched the nomination in 2016 with a much smaller percentage as the opposition to him was split.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. So this is the same poll that the NYT analyzed yesterday

to shit all over Biden and saved their GOP look for today.

Yet they left out a handy dandy graph of GOP respondents about their reasons for not supporting 45 and instead focused on "other candidates" that they might prefer.

Here is a no paywall link.

[Herx]

19. It's more fun for the media to bash Biden

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Talking about record low unemployment is no fun to them.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Exactly.

Plus as announced today - the dollar reached parity with the euro, so for a change, our currency is actually considered "strong" (at least for the moment).

[gab13by13]

15. They aren't ready to leave Trump here in central Pa.,

the banners are still up and the flags flying.

Only saw 1 Oz sign though, lots of Mastriano signs.

[czarjak]

17. Your state was beautiful...

Was amazed to see the idiot at Gettysburg wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the Confederate flag. It read "If this flag offends you, I've got a history lesson for you."

[dchill]

54. We all know who needs the history lesson...

Flag of the losing side is a war against the US. It's not that hard.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. tRump will run because grift. It is too lucrative for him and he needs money. . . . nt

[SouthernDem4ever]

24. Does he really? Can't he borrow part of that 2 billion Jared got from the Saudi Prince?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. He'd have to pay it back. Grift from magasheeple is cash, free and clear. . . .nt

[True Blue American]

38. Agree, grift is Trumps middle name.

And his niece, Mary is not far behind. Begging emails from her every day!

[Martin68]

22. That sounds like good news as long as they aren't turning their devotion to neo-Trumpists like

Scott and Youngkin.

[SouthernDem4ever]

23. HALF?!! There are still that many Moran's in the repug party?

How disappointing. Typical, but disappointing.

[KS Toronado]

25. I hope he does run for 2024

Rs don't want him as President, plus he keeps them from getting organized as a party.

[Polybius]

44. I have mixed feeling on this

Who would be easier to beat, Trump or DeSantis?

[KS Toronado]

46. Dumpie by far

His light is beginning to wane with Rs, while DeSantis is starting to grow brighter. Ronnie is smart
enough not to say stupid shit, donnie not so much. But I question if the RNC will give donnie
a second chance to screw everything up, we'd be siding with Putler against Ukraine.

[Polybius]

49. I agree with everything you said, but want to add one thing

Trump has one talent and one talent only. He fires up a crowd in a remarkable way, and has loyal followers. DeSantis is way smarter, but not nearly as good as Trump is on this.

[Ligyron]

29. Me too.

Divide and conquer.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. Like rats off a sinking ship

[keithbvadu2]

32. Leave Trump Behind? Obviously RINOs and traitors to Donald.

Leave Trump Behind?

Obviously RINOs and traitors to Donald.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

37. Don't want to leave Fascism behind...don't want to abandon the Big Lie that underpins it all!

Meanwhile the national media shys away from the obvious two words not verboten…

Fascism
Big Lie

Come on, don’t be shy! Everyone in America sees it, even blind Republicans,

America is not to special it can’t be like every other country…democracy is vulnerable to evil, America no exception!

[bucolic_frolic]

33. "revenge tour" says it all

[machoneman]

45. Saw that! A great line, indeed.

[bucolic_frolic]

39. Moral black hole begins to implode

[nycbos]

40. I'll believe it when I see it. People lie to pollsters all the time.

[keithbvadu2]

41. There are many polls.

There are many polls.

Pick the one you like and swear by it.

Swear at the others.

.................... That's why candidates sometimes refer to mystery polls that no one can locate to check.

[kimbutgar]

42. The ones who support him are trashy ignorant people (tips)

[Sky Jewels]

47. That's obviously FAKE NEWS by the Failing New York Times

Donald Trump's numbers have never been higher. He has the most support ever recorded for a president and for an individual lifeform in the 14+-billion-year history of the universe. People come up to him with tears in their eyes and say, "Sir, thank you for being so incredibly popular. Your support is just tremendous. It's as wide and high as the impenetrable wall you built across the entire Mexican border. We've never seen anything like it." And then they keel over just from being in the presence of such greatness.

[cactusfractal]

48. Don't. Fucking. Count on it. n/t

[brooklynite]

50. So you're happy to read that a significant number of Republicans don't want Trump to run...

…but a story that a significant number of Democrats don’t want Biden to run is “right wing propaganda”?

[mahina]

51. That's all folks

[onetexan]

55. As i had heard on msnbc (forgot which analyst), 5-10 years from now people associated w the Con or

voted for him, will deny they were ever associated with him, or supported him - the same way they did with Nixon.

[rockfordfile]

56. Doesn't mean much because they're already at the bottom of the barrel

[Torchlight]

57. Distilled down: Half of GOP voters are unrepentant idiots.

The other half are repentant idiots.