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Omaha Steve

(109,228 posts)
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:05 PM Jul 2022

Van Gogh self-portrait found hidden behind another painting

Source: AP

LONDON (AP) — A previously unknown self-portrait of Vincent Van Gogh has been discovered behind another of the artist’s paintings, the National Galleries of Scotland said Thursday.

The self-portrait was found on the back of Van Gogh’s “Head of a Peasant Woman” when experts at the Edinburgh gallery took an X-ray of the canvas ahead of an upcoming exhibition. The work is believed to have been hidden for over a century, covered by layers of glue and cardboard when it was framed in the early 20th century.

Van Gogh was known for turning canvases around and painting on the other side to save money.

The portrait shows a bearded sitter in a brimmed hat. Experts said the subject was instantly recognizable as the artist himself, and is thought to be from his early work. The left ear is clearly visible and Van Gogh famously cut his off in 1888.



Senior Conservator Lesley Stevenson views Head of a Peasant Woman alongside an x ray image of the hidden Van Gogh self portrait. A previously unknown self-portrait of Vincent Van Gogh has been discovered behind another of the artist’s paintings. The National Galleries of Scotland said Thursday it was discovered on the back of Van Gogh’s “Head of a Peasant Woman” when experts took an X-Ray of the canvas ahead of an upcoming exhibition. (Neil Hanna via AP)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/hidden-van-gogh-self-portrait-b703b4391c4ec0ba5bcf381ae44a6c3b

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Van Gogh self-portrait found hidden behind another painting (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2022 OP
wouldnt that be his right ear? assuming he used a mirror? Blues Heron Jul 2022 #1
Nice hat, Van Gogh. Captain Zero Jul 2022 #2
I wonder what they'll do? Marthe48 Jul 2022 #3
I suspect they will photograph the earlier painting and display it that way. It doesn't look like Martin68 Jul 2022 #18
They can do a lot with digital Marthe48 Jul 2022 #19
I imagine they can do an excellent job digitally restoring the painting. Martin68 Jul 2022 #20
where was it and can I go? CTyankee Jul 2022 #40
They had the immersion set up in several locations Marthe48 Jul 2022 #42
There was a Van Gogh on display central scrutinizer Jul 2022 #4
"A three dimensional experience" is an excellent way to... 3catwoman3 Jul 2022 #5
I went in '74 too! TexasBushwhacker Jul 2022 #29
I know that museum! I broke down and wept at "Wheat fields with Crows." CTyankee Jul 2022 #41
I've been lucky to see original Impressionists' art Marthe48 Jul 2022 #6
I was yelled at for touching one of them. BigmanPigman Jul 2022 #35
Frankly who cares. Mosby Jul 2022 #7
Artists care. Art Historians. Creative people. People with genuine curiosity. Me. Auggie Jul 2022 #8
Seconded! Bayard Jul 2022 #10
Personally, I care... BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #11
There is so much art available Marthe48 Jul 2022 #22
That's great! BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #24
I was planning to be an art teacher Marthe48 Jul 2022 #25
I'll bet you're still an art teacher BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #34
Thank you Marthe48 Jul 2022 #37
Thank you. ME TOO!! Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #14
As a artist painter myself, I agree LiberalLovinLug Jul 2022 #9
100 percent disagree with the over-rated part. ZZenith Jul 2022 #12
I agree that he's not overrated. LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #23
"Frankly who cares." LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #13
Needs more cowbell. n/t royable Jul 2022 #15
Ha! Thank you! Thank you very much. callous taoboy Jul 2022 #21
I care. The man was a genius, and I love his work. I'm not super rich, by the way. But it is so cool Martin68 Jul 2022 #17
Dr. Who fans care. Whatthe_Firetruck Jul 2022 #26
Well, you apparently care to post about it! Coventina Jul 2022 #28
Explain to me how a painting is worth 100 million dollars. Mosby Jul 2022 #32
Simple: Supply and Demand Coventina Jul 2022 #33
I care! I find his art beautiful TexasBushwhacker Jul 2022 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jul 2022 #39
Ahead of his time. An avid recycler. keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #16
those art materials were expensive back in the day and he had no money. IcyPeas Jul 2022 #27
And he painted about 900 works in ten years JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2022 #31
Recycled MinisterPathos Jul 2022 #36
shame its not on the back. i have a pre1930's double sided painting. i only painted over 1/2 done pansypoo53219 Jul 2022 #38

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
3. I wonder what they'll do?
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:19 PM
Jul 2022

Preserve the later painting, or expose the self-portrait?

I went to a Van Gogh Immersion last Nov. There are a lot of self portraits in existence.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
18. I suspect they will photograph the earlier painting and display it that way. It doesn't look like
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 03:59 PM
Jul 2022

it's in any condition to exhibit.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
42. They had the immersion set up in several locations
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 09:10 AM
Jul 2022

My daughters and I went to one near D.C. Here is a link to see where the immersion is offered: https://vangoghexpo.com/


The exhibit was in the 80s. You can get in touch with your local museums and see if they will have exhibits you want to see.

Hope you find something you like

central scrutinizer

(12,654 posts)
4. There was a Van Gogh on display
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jul 2022

At the local university art museum. You could get real close to it. It was very cool to be able to see the brush strokes, globs of paint, etc. A three dimensional experience.

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
5. "A three dimensional experience" is an excellent way to...
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:26 PM
Jul 2022

…describe looking at a Van Gogh painting. In 1974, I was in Amsterdam and went to the Van Gogh museum. I was fascinated by being able to see the lines left in the paint from the bristles/hairs in the brushes. Some of the paint was so thick and shiny that it looked as if it were still wet.

A glorious experience.

CTyankee

(68,201 posts)
41. I know that museum! I broke down and wept at "Wheat fields with Crows."
Sat Jul 16, 2022, 09:06 AM
Jul 2022

I was part of a small group that went on a barge down the rivers of Holland where we saw the sky that the artist must have painted under day after day. We went to Rembrandt's house, still standing, and I stood in his studio where he painted so many of his masterpieces.

The effect on me has been lasting and at time intense.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
6. I've been lucky to see original Impressionists' art
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jul 2022

An exhibit on loan to The Cleveland Museum of Art, and the Musee d'Orsay in Paris. Thrilling

BigmanPigman

(55,137 posts)
35. I was yelled at for touching one of them.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 08:03 PM
Jul 2022

I couldn't help it, it looked so tactile, like it was asking to be touched. I think he must have squirted the paint right out of the tube onto the canvas. No wonder he was always broke, those paints cost a lot, even back then.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
7. Frankly who cares.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jul 2022

This stuff is for the super rich. Personally I think van gogh is very overrated.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
11. Personally, I care...
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 03:01 PM
Jul 2022

But I understand the dilemma of art as investment tool vs art as human expression. Two different things really.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
22. There is so much art available
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:33 PM
Jul 2022

I have bought so many pieces of original art, at sales, yeard sales, estate sales. I buy what I like, what I can afford. Almost everything I have on display is original. I like knowing that the artist touched the work that I have and like music, the real thing touches me more than a copy. Some of the the things I have been created by people I know, which is always a plus Some of the things I bought are more valuable than what I paid, but it wasn't my intent to invest, just to feel good.

As for Van Gogh, until I went to the Immersion, I didn't appreciate his work as much as I do now. There is some quality about his art that speaks to a huge number of people. Maybe sincerity and passion.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
24. That's great!
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jul 2022

Owning original art is good for your soul and there is quality work in almost any price range. I live in the sticks so the work of the masters first hand is a rare experience. Like you, I didn’t really love Van Gogh’s work until I saw it with my own eyes. The same goes for Jackson Pollock. Not much in a small print but jaw dropping in a museum.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
25. I was planning to be an art teacher
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:52 PM
Jul 2022

got derailed, but learned a lot in all of the classes I took. And knowing what happens between the pot and the canvas, it is all wonderful to me!

LiberalLovinLug

(14,689 posts)
9. As a artist painter myself, I agree
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 02:34 PM
Jul 2022

But....I also think he was incredibly visionary, and ahead of his time. And made some incredible works which transcended his subject matter. And had enough of a body of work to create another way of seeing the world for viewers. He deserves his place in Art History. But that is how the Art industry works, you "overrate" the chosen few, and discard the rest.

My beef is with that Art industry and how it operates. They elevate a tiny percent of artists to be the chosen ones that the elite buyers, who have a lot of excess money to spend and like art and so use their collections as a kind of investment bank. Obscene amounts paid for one painting or sculpture. Because they know it will go up a few more million before they re-sell it. While so many artists struggle to just make enough to pay the bills. Many of them as talented as Vincent in his day.

ZZenith

(4,469 posts)
12. 100 percent disagree with the over-rated part.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 03:21 PM
Jul 2022

I can understand not liking his particular style but very few artists have ever been able to capture light the way he did.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
23. I agree that he's not overrated.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:39 PM
Jul 2022

Van Gogh was someone who, frankly, didn't have a lot of natural painting talent.

He worked for a mere 10 years, but he worked relentlessly, despite having only sold one painting in his lifetime.
He painted constantly, buying supplies instead of food. He had epilepsy and was probably bipolar, but that didn't slow him down.

He kept pursuing his ideal, and through sheer force of will broke through and created a new way of looking at the world.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
17. I care. The man was a genius, and I love his work. I'm not super rich, by the way. But it is so cool
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 03:57 PM
Jul 2022

they just found an early self-portrait that no one knew about. In an era before smart phones, likenesses of someone like van Gogh are relatively rare. So why are you so invested in telling everybody how little you care for his work? Why should anyone care about your curmudgeonly opinion?

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
32. Explain to me how a painting is worth 100 million dollars.
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 06:11 PM
Jul 2022

And what else could that 100 millions dollars be spent on?

The high end art market is just an extreme form of consumption and privilege.

Coventina

(29,731 posts)
33. Simple: Supply and Demand
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jul 2022

There are a limited number of works of art by any deceased artist of note. That makes their value high. The more notable the artist, the higher the worth, due to increased demand.

Certainly, this does not mean that I necessarily endorse people spending their money on art rather than philanthropic causes. The rich buy expensive art for the same reason they always have: it is a reflection of their wealth, power, and prestige.

I'm sure Vincent Van Gogh would be shocked at the prices of his works (he famously only sold two paintings in his lifetime) and would encourage people to spend their money more wisely. (He wanted to be a missionary - but that's a long story I won't go in to now).

I'd much rather these works go to museums rather than private collections, but museums have difficulty raising the capital needed to buy them when they are auctioned.

But, all that is not a reason to not care about the art itself. These works are highly valued for cultural and historical reasons that remain irrelevant to our issues with capitalism.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
30. I care! I find his art beautiful
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jul 2022

But you are correct, it's totally subjective. Personally, I have no idea why people buy Jeff Koons stainless steel balloon animals for millions of dollars, but they do, so good for him I guess.

It certainly doesn't have to be ONLY an investment for the very wealthy. Buy what you love, preferably from the original artist.

Response to Mosby (Reply #7)

pansypoo53219

(23,034 posts)
38. shame its not on the back. i have a pre1930's double sided painting. i only painted over 1/2 done
Thu Jul 14, 2022, 09:39 PM
Jul 2022

painting + it became one of my best/favorite figure painting. of course, i painted over a horrid painting by somebody else.

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