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yankee87

(2,825 posts)
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 07:55 PM Jul 2022

Reports: 2 dead, 2 wounded in shooting at Indiana mall

Source: Cleveland 19 News

GREENWOOD, Ind. (Gray News) - Two people are dead and two are wounded after a shooting at an Indiana mall, reports say.

The shooting reportedly happened around 6 p.m. on Sunday.

Police responded to the scene and have said there is “no known ongoing threat.”

Authorities are asking people to avoid the area.

Read more: https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/07/17/reports-2-dead-2-wounded-shooting-indiana-mall/?fbclid=IwAR3IkKR5fsr2xIPfOfcYtDeGQ1B7u3A0mQSDAj6WaiX_NnKeam-xN884rv4



Another spree shooting at a mall. I'm scared for my children and grandchildren. I'm looking for hope, but it's hard. Vote like your life depends on it.
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Reports: 2 dead, 2 wounded in shooting at Indiana mall (Original Post) yankee87 Jul 2022 OP
Seriously! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2022 #1
refuKKKchickens only change when they are feeling endangered - conclude what you will... bringthePaine Jul 2022 #2
Latest is 3 wounded, according to local news. AngryOldDem Jul 2022 #3
Just another responsible gun owner brought to you by the NRA. Initech Jul 2022 #4
No good guy with a gun to stop this before... purr-rat beauty Jul 2022 #5
Actually the gunman WAS shot by an armed citizen. oldsoftie Jul 2022 #7
Actually, this is one of the rare times when wnylib Jul 2022 #8
but not before 2 people were killed and several wounded samsingh Jul 2022 #13
The local hero worship of the "good samaritan" Mad_Machine76 Jul 2022 #23
It's okay. The important thing is that no one's 2A rights were infringed. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #6
According to the mayor, it's 3 dead, 3 wounded. Mawspam2 Jul 2022 #9
Time for the meme AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #10
not going to change till someone walks into Kavanaugh's steakhouse and opens fire captain queeg Jul 2022 #11
I have Rebl2 Jul 2022 #12
Yep! Agree! newdayneeded Jul 2022 #29
There are several malls in Greenwood. tavernier Jul 2022 #14
"Chief: 3 Dead in Indiana Mall Shooting; Witness Kills Gunman" DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #15
The 22 year old saved a lot of lives. But we really need to get rid of those assault rifles. C Moon Jul 2022 #16
There is no way you can get rid of them DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #17
Carrying concealed most likely DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2022 #18
Correct. AngryOldDem Jul 2022 #20
Thanks Sir DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #21
Concealed Carry Mad_Machine76 Jul 2022 #24
Over the strong objections of the state police commissioner and local departments. AngryOldDem Jul 2022 #28
You can ban new sales and then make it a felony to possess one anywhere GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #27
With this Supreme Court? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #31
No, but I was responding to GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #32
Ah, i got it. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #33
Report says "long gun," so draw your own conclusions. AngryOldDem Jul 2022 #19
For sure Mad_Machine76 Jul 2022 #25
Carry on, America. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #22
Just heard from my daughter tavernier Jul 2022 #26
Indiana mall shooter brought multiple weapons, good Samaritan who shot him credited with saving coun Judi Lynn Jul 2022 #30

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
3. Latest is 3 wounded, according to local news.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 08:10 PM
Jul 2022

So this is considered a “mass shooting.”

There will be no official update until about 9 EDT. The mall is just over the county line from Indianapolis, so the Greenwood police are the responsible authority for updates. Local news feed shows two buses at the mall, I guess to transport those who were sheltering in place. Nothing much more to report as of now.

purr-rat beauty

(1,257 posts)
5. No good guy with a gun to stop this before...
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 08:26 PM
Jul 2022

...100 rounds are burnt through?

more unnecessary death

wnylib

(26,019 posts)
8. Actually, this is one of the rare times when
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 09:06 PM
Jul 2022

another person with a gun shot the killer.

The last I heard, there are 4 dead and 2 injured.

samsingh

(18,426 posts)
13. but not before 2 people were killed and several wounded
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 10:39 PM
Jul 2022

better gun laws and maybe no one needed to die

captain queeg

(11,780 posts)
11. not going to change till someone walks into Kavanaugh's steakhouse and opens fire
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 10:05 PM
Jul 2022

Or some private school for rich kids

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
14. There are several malls in Greenwood.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 11:09 PM
Jul 2022

It is pretty much a suburb of Indianapolis. When I’m visiting my daughter a couple of times a year we go there a lot, mostly for the shopping and the restaurants.
My grown grandchildren live very close and shop there all the time. It seems like a friendly part of town. But then again, Indiana is the only place I’ve seen someone walking around in a department store with an open gun at his hip.

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
15. "Chief: 3 Dead in Indiana Mall Shooting; Witness Kills Gunman"
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 11:57 PM
Jul 2022

“GREENWOOD, Ind. (AP) — Three people were fatally shot and two were injured Sunday evening at an Indiana mall after a man with a rifle opened fire in a food court and an armed civilian shot and killed him, police said.

The man entered the Greenwood Park Mall with a rifle and several magazines of ammunition and began firing in the food court, Greenwood Police Department Chief Jim Ison said.

A 22-year-old from nearby Bartholomew County who was legally carrying a firearm at the mall shot and killed the gunman, Ison said at a news conference.“

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-07-17/2-killed-in-shooting-at-indiana-mall-many-hurt-police-say?context=amp

C Moon

(13,643 posts)
16. The 22 year old saved a lot of lives. But we really need to get rid of those assault rifles.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 12:18 AM
Jul 2022

(I'm guessing it was an assault rifle).

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
17. There is no way you can get rid of them
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 09:59 AM
Jul 2022

Last edited Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Only thing you can do, is maybe pass a law to stop new sales. You cannot confiscate them.

After reading the article, I’m wondering how he was carrying, as most malls are gun free zones. Same with movie theaters. That’s why they are often targets of mass shooters

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,504 posts)
18. Carrying concealed most likely
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jul 2022

And if I remember correctly, Indiana is similar to Michigan and the signs don't have any legal weight. Property owners can post them, but getting caught with gun would only result in a trespass charge and only after the person is asked to leave and refuses to do so.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
20. Correct.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:56 AM
Jul 2022

And it would also depend on how strongly the owner would want to press trespassing charges.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
28. Over the strong objections of the state police commissioner and local departments.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jul 2022

It’s constitutional carry. The state cannot infringe on the 2nd Amendment. Part of the licensing process was to see if there were any restrictions on an applicant having a weapon. Now, thanks to the folks who back the blue at any cost, cops have no way of knowing who should or should not be allowed to carry.

The ISP commissioner straight-up told the committee hearing this bill that this could get cops killed. But GUNZ….

GoodRaisin

(10,922 posts)
27. You can ban new sales and then make it a felony to possess one anywhere
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 01:45 PM
Jul 2022

except your home (for those who already own one). Also, set up a buy back program.

GoodRaisin

(10,922 posts)
32. No, but I was responding to
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 07:13 PM
Jul 2022

post 17 comment saying that you couldn’t confiscate assault rifles. I agree with that and don’t believe we would be able to do that even with a liberal court majority.

Really just offering up a thought about how to get a lot of AR15s off the streets, given a less partisan political ennvironment than the one we are in now. One in which there is possibility of legislative compromise. I know that’s hard to envision.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
33. Ah, i got it.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 07:16 PM
Jul 2022

This unfettered access to these weapons has got to be curbed, how, i really wish I had the answer, but I'll leave that to far smarter people than me.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
19. Report says "long gun," so draw your own conclusions.
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jul 2022

Another thing. The mall was a no gun zone. So now I’m fully expecting the general assembly to take away the right of property owners to restrict firearms on their premises.

This fucking state just ❤️❤️❤️❤️ its guns. Until we get serious about this issue, all the tears, thoughts, prayers, and hand-wringing can just stop. This is what we’ve stepped up to with the gun worship.

Mad_Machine76

(24,958 posts)
25. For sure
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022

people are already talking about the mall's policy being "stupid" and thank god somebody else ignored the "policy" and shot the shooter.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
26. Just heard from my daughter
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 01:04 PM
Jul 2022

My grandkids were at that mall that morning. Grandson, wife, and four month old baby.

Judi Lynn

(164,125 posts)
30. Indiana mall shooter brought multiple weapons, good Samaritan who shot him credited with saving coun
Mon Jul 18, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jul 2022

Indiana mall shooter brought multiple weapons, good Samaritan who shot him credited with saving countless lives

Officials identified the suspect in the Greenwood Park Mall shooting as Jonathan Douglas Sapirman, 20, and the man who fatally shot him as Elisjsha Dicken, 22.


July 18, 2022, 2:25 PM CDT / Updated July 18, 2022, 3:53 PM CDT
By Antonio Planas, Dennis Romero and Melina Chalkia

The suspected gunman in the Indiana mall mass shooting carried two rifles, a pistol and more than 100 rounds of ammo, authorities said Monday, and the good Samaritan who fatally shot him is credited with saving “countless lives.”

Three people were killed at the Greenwood Park Mall outside of Indianapolis on Sunday. Two others were injured and the gunman is also dead.

The suspected shooter was identified by officials as Jonathan Douglas Sapirman, 20, of Greenwood. Sapirman entered the Greenwood Park Mall and went into a restroom near the food court about 4:54 p.m. on Sunday, Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison said Monday.

Sapirman stayed in the bathroom for 62 minutes, then exited and began firing near and into the mall's food court with a SIG Sauer rifle, killing three people.

More:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-mall-shooter-brought-multiple-weapons-good-samaritan-shot-cred-rcna38755

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Jonathan Sapirman, Greenwood Mall suspect: 5 quick facts you need to know
NEWS
18/07/2022

Updated: 51 seconds ago
Zuncey T.
By
Zuncey T.

. . .

By 9:40 p.m., he wrote, police had confirmed that four people had died and two were injured, including a 12-year-old girl who suffered minor injuries. The shooter is among the four dead. The victims who died were named by the coroner as Pedro Pineda, 56, of Indianapolis; Rosa Mirian Rivera de Pineda, 37, from Indianapolis; and Victor Gomez, 30, of Indianapolis. The Pinedas were husband and wife.

. . .

Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison said in another news conference that the shooter was a man. There was one male victim and four female victims. The victims were between their early 20s and 30s. Two people were in stable condition. One of the victims was 12 years old but has only a small wound, a scratch on his back. When asked if anything happened before the shooting or if it was pure coincidence, Ison declined to comment. He said authorities are reviewing surveillance video.

More:https://latestpagenews.com/news/jonathan-sapirman-greenwood-mall-suspect-5-quick-facts-you-need-to-know/

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https://ahoramismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/elisjsha-dicken.webp?w=780

Killer of the killer.

Elisjsha Dicken

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