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PSPS

(13,616 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:01 PM Jul 2022

DHS inspector general tells Secret Service to stop investigating potentially missing texts

Source: CNN

DHS inspector general tells Secret Service to stop investigating potentially missing texts

By Whitney Wild and Jeremy Herb, CNN
Updated 12:39 PM ET, Thu July 21, 2022

(CNN)The Department of Homeland Security inspector general has directed the Secret Service to stop its internal investigations into what happened to text messages related to January 6 that may have been deleted, according to a letter reviewed by CNN. The inspector general wrote that the Secret Service should stop investigating the matter because it could interfere with the inspector general's own investigation into what happened to the agency's text messages.

The letter adds to the growing tension between the Secret Service and the DHS inspector general over the potentially missing text messages, which are being sought by the House select committee as part of its investigation into former President Donald Trump's actions and movements on January 6, 2021.

"To ensure the integrity of our investigation, the USSS must not engage in any further investigative activities regarding the collection and preservation of the evidence referenced above," DHS deputy inspector general Gladys Ayala wrote in a letter to Secret Service Director James Murray on Wednesday evening. "This includes immediately refraining from interviewing potential witnesses, collecting devices or taking any other action that would interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation."

The inspector general wrote that the Secret Service should explain what interviews had already been conducted related to the text messages, along with the "scope off the questioning, and what, if any, warnings were given to the witness(es)." The inspector general told the Secret Service to respond by Monday.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/21/politics/dhs-inspector-general-secret-service-texts/index.html

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DHS inspector general tells Secret Service to stop investigating potentially missing texts (Original Post) PSPS Jul 2022 OP
That's an interesting development Walleye Jul 2022 #1
It is about time, praise God and pass the ammunition. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #2
Interesting, adds weight to my conclusion that establishing Department of 'Homeland security' was elleng Jul 2022 #3
I agree, a big mistake. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #4
These are the agencies that provided most of the secret army Thunderbeast Jul 2022 #11
Righto, elleng. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #21
+1 If only Bush/Cheney had been paying attention to what they were being told, OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2022 #24
Remember the Terror codes? Ligyron Jul 2022 #30
The DHS was created to insulate the president from actual, current knowledge. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #34
The DHS was created to insulate the president from actual, current knowledge. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #35
Thought that was this POC woman's job? Backseat Driver Jul 2022 #25
Right, and they sure as hell should have known better. elleng Jul 2022 #29
Yep "too big to fail" or too big period. live love laugh Jul 2022 #37
+ ATF onetexan Jul 2022 #38
Question here bluestarone Jul 2022 #5
For info: elleng Jul 2022 #6
That's good info, Ligyron Jul 2022 #32
The IG oversees the SS gab13by13 Jul 2022 #8
the current IG is a trump appointee choie Jul 2022 #10
Yes, and it appears he was also complicit, or inept. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #16
"To ensure the integrity of our investigation" says to some, to go ahead and do what follows.... Evolve Dammit Jul 2022 #7
The FBI needs to be doing the investigation. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #9
Please cease your cover-up errr ahem achoo ahem investigation ahem achoo greenjar_01 Jul 2022 #12
It is a moniss Jul 2022 #13
Correct me if I'm wrong, gab13by13 Jul 2022 #15
Yes indeed moniss Jul 2022 #31
"we are investigating your cover up" ZonkerHarris Jul 2022 #14
But if they aren't allowed to investigate themselves... Grokenstein Jul 2022 #17
When You Think You Have Seen it All, There is always....MORE....THIS IS ..."MORE" Stuart G Jul 2022 #18
So if the SS is told to stop investigating MontanaMama Jul 2022 #19
Frankly, I don't trust DHS Raven123 Jul 2022 #20
This is kinda what i'm worried about as well. BUT bluestarone Jul 2022 #23
I agree, gab13by13 Jul 2022 #26
Exactly. Raven123 Jul 2022 #28
Secret Service needs a new govt nomenclature wolfie001 Jul 2022 #22
Zoe Lofgren just reported that gab13by13 Jul 2022 #27
I'll be golly-darned TripleKatPad Jul 2022 #33
TY! Cha Jul 2022 #36
James Murray, as USSS Director, is responsible for this criminality. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #39

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
2. It is about time, praise God and pass the ammunition.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:06 PM
Jul 2022

Who the hell thought it was a good idea to allow the SS to investigate itself?

The head of DHS, Alejandro Mayorkas, should have the authority to suspend agents pending investigation.

This is serious shit going down. It sure looks like members of the Secret Service were complicit in a coup. The freaking Vice President wouldn't get in the car with one of them.

elleng

(131,131 posts)
3. Interesting, adds weight to my conclusion that establishing Department of 'Homeland security' was
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:06 PM
Jul 2022

and is a mistake. More on this later.

What are the 22 departments of Homeland security?

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
Federal Emergency Management Agency.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Transportation Security Administration.
United States Coast Guard (during times of peace)
Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.

Thunderbeast

(3,419 posts)
11. These are the agencies that provided most of the secret army
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:36 PM
Jul 2022

that intervened at the request of the White House in Portland and Washington D.C....turning BLM protests into riots.

The Proud Boyz were also in Portland with the same agenda.

jaxexpat

(6,851 posts)
21. Righto, elleng.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:48 PM
Jul 2022

When one is assigned to watch everything, no one is watching anything. Qualifications? None required because nobody's qualified to ask, much less answer.

Stupid 2-dimensional rightist theory as espoused by 'ole Dick Cheney and swallowed hook-line-and-sinker by the stupidest Bush. Makes my skin crawl to hear it. I've been offended and felt insulted by the very title "Department of Homeland Security" from the first rumor of its inception. Of course, the fact that none of the other government agencies got in line with the concept surprised no one. Let's just face it, Tom Ridge's color "codery" was no match to J. Edgar's Hoovery. It should have been christened the Department of Deferred Responsibility, if for nothing else, every negative evening news headline forever, GO Terror!

OAITW r.2.0

(24,611 posts)
24. +1 If only Bush/Cheney had been paying attention to what they were being told,
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:32 PM
Jul 2022

We wouldn't have needed another Federal Department created to add even more redundancy and turf wars to the existing Federal LE branches.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
30. Remember the Terror codes?
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:14 PM
Jul 2022

What's the threat level today Chumley?

Code yellow and a half boss. Locate the duct tape and be very afraid!

jaxexpat

(6,851 posts)
34. The DHS was created to insulate the president from actual, current knowledge.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 09:01 PM
Jul 2022

It was always about plausible deniability, about looking the other way at the appropriate moment. It was about never letting anybody see just how fucking incompetent Bush was with their own eyes. He was ultimately and actually the neocons very own "useful idiot".

jaxexpat

(6,851 posts)
35. The DHS was created to insulate the president from actual, current knowledge.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 09:03 PM
Jul 2022

It was always about plausible deniability, about looking the other way at the appropriate moment. It was about never letting anybody see just how fucking incompetent Bush was with their own eyes. He was ultimately and actually the neocons very own "useful idiot".

Backseat Driver

(4,399 posts)
25. Thought that was this POC woman's job?
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:37 PM
Jul 2022

"When one is assigned to watch everything, no one is watching anything. Qualifications? None required because nobody's qualified to ask, much less answer."

Her SS office must have been moved to the broom closet????

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/opr

Assistant Director Gloria R. Armstrong
Office of Professional Responsibility

Gloria R. Armstrong was appointed Assistant Director of the Office of Professional Responsibility on May 25, 2021. Ms. Armstrong is a senior executive and federal law enforcement special agent with 26 years of experience with the U.S. Secret Service. During her career, Ms. Armstrong has risen through the ranks, having begun her Secret Service career in 1995 as a special agent assigned to the Los Angeles Field Office.

As Assistant Director, Ms. Armstrong oversees integrity investigations, mission assurance inquiries, and compliance inspection, ensuring enterprise-wide increased accountability, stewardship, compliance while assisting the agency’s leadership in managing missions in a collaborative, transparent manner. [snip]

elleng

(131,131 posts)
29. Right, and they sure as hell should have known better.
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jul 2022

I'm a retired federal bureaucrat, and have seen it.

elleng

(131,131 posts)
6. For info:
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:18 PM
Jul 2022

The U.S. Secret Service was created in 1865 as a specialized branch of the Department of the Treasury to combat the economic threat of counterfeit currency, which in the final days of the American Civil War was estimated to constitute as much as half of circulating U.S. currency.

150+ Years of History

After the assassination of President McKinley in 1901, the Secret Service was tasked with the full-time protection of the President of the United States. Over time, this protective mission has been expanded by statutory changes, Presidential Decision Directives, Homeland Security Presidential Directives, National Security Presidential Directives, and various Executive Orders.

The United States Secret Service Uniformed Division protects the White House Complex, and Naval Observatory. Since 1970, the Uniformed Division has also been responsible for protecting foreign embassies and consulates in and around the Washington, D.C. area.

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/history/150-years

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
8. The IG oversees the SS
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:23 PM
Jul 2022

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Office of Inspector General (OIG) conducts and supervises independent audits, inspections, and investigations and recommends ways for DHS to carry out its vital responsibilities in the most effective, efficient, and economical manner possible, to put it nicely.

Evolve Dammit

(16,773 posts)
7. "To ensure the integrity of our investigation" says to some, to go ahead and do what follows....
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:21 PM
Jul 2022

Not sure they wanted to tip their hand so quickly, to reveal what could hamstring their efforts?

moniss

(4,274 posts)
13. It is a
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:41 PM
Jul 2022

question whether the IG is referencing 1/6 as the "criminal investigation" or if he is now calling his investigation of the deletions as criminal. Either way this is getting ugly really quick. We now have clear and open defiance of the Committee as well as what would appear to be the SS acting to muddy the investigation of that defiance.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
15. Correct me if I'm wrong,
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 02:53 PM
Jul 2022

and I have been wrong a lot, but we don't know who is investigating the Secret Service do we? The National Archives told the SS to take a month to get its story straight and then issue a report. The select committee has issued subpoenas, but why not the FBI?

The FBI investigated Hillary's emails for 1 year.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
31. Yes indeed
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:18 PM
Jul 2022

and that is why "criminal investigation" caught my eye. The 1/6 Committee is an investigation by a legislative committee. We know about their subpoena. The DOJ/States are the ones who conduct "criminal investigations" and to my knowledge we don't know about any request from DOJ for these texts. I did just see that ABC is now confirming from 3 sources that the investigation into the deleted texts is now a criminal investigation. The statement from the IG's office today references following DOJ guidance regarding criminal investigations. So it appears I may have been on to something after all. You are right about the FBI and it worries me that they would be involved in this investigation since we well remember how crooked they were in the e-mail fiasco and with Comey and his non-explanation explanation. I don't trust Chris Wray et al. But I don't know what resources DOJ would have at their disposal for investigation beyond the FBI. It sure is getting big quickly.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
19. So if the SS is told to stop investigating
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 03:43 PM
Jul 2022

because it would interfere with the IG's investigation...why would they stop? Because they're told to do so? Jeez louise. Watch their internal investigation go into overdrive. Good grief. Why would they start doing what they're supposed to do now?

bluestarone

(17,057 posts)
23. This is kinda what i'm worried about as well. BUT
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:26 PM
Jul 2022

I DO NOT trust the SS. investigating themselves. TFG has fucked up EVERYTHING in my eyes!

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
26. I agree,
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:03 PM
Jul 2022

Cuffari was nominated by Trump. He must have approved Tony Ornato's leave of absence from SS to go work at the White House, which is totally off base.

Maybe Cuffari should be under investigation instead of leading the investigation?

wolfie001

(2,270 posts)
22. Secret Service needs a new govt nomenclature
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 04:22 PM
Jul 2022

The acronym is SS and, well, seems we may have a Nat-Zee or two currently employed there.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
27. Zoe Lofgren just reported that
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 05:05 PM
Jul 2022

SS agents have retained private counsel. So it seems they are afraid they did something illegal.

Where is Mayorkas? There is more than one rotten apple in the barrel.

TripleKatPad

(314 posts)
33. I'll be golly-darned
Thu Jul 21, 2022, 07:08 PM
Jul 2022

Someone with common sense decided that having the fox investigate the hen house massacre was a bad idea.
Now, who will hold the new investigators' feet to the fire? At this point, everyone is suspect in my eyes.

SunSeeker

(51,725 posts)
39. James Murray, as USSS Director, is responsible for this criminality.
Fri Jul 22, 2022, 12:42 AM
Jul 2022

He should be hauled before the J6 Committee.

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