U.S. Navy deploys four warships east of Taiwan as Pelosi heads to Taipei

[William769]

Source: Reuters

HONG KONG (Reuters) - As U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi headed to Taipei on Tuesday amid intensifying warnings from China, four U.S. warships, including an aircraft carrier, were positioned in waters east of the island on "routine" deployments.

The carrier USS Ronald Reagan had transited the South China Sea and was currently in the Philippines Sea, east of Taiwan and the Philippines and south of Japan, a U.S. Navy official confirmed to Reuters on Tuesday.

The Japanese-based Reagan is operating with a guided missile cruiser, USS Antietam, and a destroyer, USS Higgins.

"While they are able to respond to any eventuality, these are normal, routine deployments," the official said, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The official added that they were unable to comment on precise locations.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-navy-deploys-four-warships-east-of-taiwan-as-pelosi-heads-to-taipei/ar-AA10dAzN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b54f772193ad42f3874b2b203c52f164

[gab13by13]

1. Yeah, OK, they are normal deployments.

Speaker Pelosi can go where the fuck she wants to go, China can go to hell.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

7. +100. nt

[David__77]

2. Totally irresponsible actions.

…

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. So you're all for China dictating where US politicians can or cannot go?

How about the next time a US politician wants to go visit Taiwan?

Fuck that, China has no right to dictate where US pols. can or cannot go.

[denbot]

41. Nonsense.

The entire existence of the US Navy is to insure the free and open use of the oceans of the world to travel and commerce. It would be irresponsible to let yet another authoritarian regime warn off the US from conducting normal interactions with whom every it pleases.

[paleotn]

43. Yea, whatever.

[EX500rider]

47. So kowtow to China? I don't think so.

East of Taiwan is on the far side of China, none of their business, international waters. And yes I don't care if China wants to sail some navy boats thru the Gulf of Mexico or wherever in international waters.

[Dysfunctional]

3. What we could possibly gain by her going there,

is nothing compared to what we could lose.

[yaesu]

4. so, we should crawl under a desk whenever fascists threaten US? I'm sure putin would agree. nt

[Dysfunctional]

15. No, but what do we gain by her going there?

Is the risk worth it?

[Martin68]

42. We demonstrate our commitment to a free and democratic Taiwan, as well as to our

many other allies in the region. China threatens free and safe commercial movement through the waters they claim as "their own." The U.S. Navy is demonstrating a willingness to protect freedom of movement and world trade, as is Pelosi's delegation.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

6. So China gets to dictate where US politicians can or cannot go?

Is that your position?

We should let China bully us?
How about the next time a US pol. wants to visit Taiwan and China says they better not or else?

[Dysfunctional]

13. Tell me what we gain by her going there.

The chance of military action by China is greater than anything we gain.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

14. Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

Are we to just let China tell us where our politicians can or cannot go?

[Dysfunctional]

16. The possibility of a military action by China.

For the same reason we didn't send troops to Ukraine.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

17. Still refusing to answer my question?

Have a nice day.

[Dysfunctional]

18. I did answer your question, possible military action by China.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. No, you didn't.

One more time, are we to allow China to dictate where US politicians can go or not go?
It's a yes or no question.

[Dysfunctional]

22. No, we should not let any country,

but what I am asking is, what do we gain by her going there? What gain could we get that is worth the risk of a possible military action? I am not saying that it has to be an action that is planned, mistakes can be made.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

23. Thank you for your honest answer,

now, to answer your question, what do we gain?

We gain by letting China know that we will not bow to their demands that our pols. not visit Taiwan, and it's highly doubtful that China will initiate any military action that will start a war with us, they're not stupid, far from it, they don't want a shooting war anymore than we do, it's not good for their business, of which their economy is highly dependent on.

China's leaders are very pragmatic and they know full well what will happen if they threaten Speaker Pelosi, her aircraft and her staff, especially since she's 2nd in line for the Presidency.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. +100. nt

[David__77]

30. We "gain" destabilization and more threats to the economy.

It’s geopolitical nonsense.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. Wrong.

What's nonsense is backing down from a bully, all it does is embolden the bully the next time.

Never back down from a bully.

[DENVERPOPS]

45. Atta Boy MCE

Give em hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

46. Thanks DENVERPOPS.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

20. Oh, BTW,

the US did send high ranking military and civilian members of the Biden Admin to Ukraine to coordinate with the Ukrainian's on the military equipment we are supplying them with.

[DENVERPOPS]

48. Not to mention

the amount of satellite intel we could provide them about Russian troop movements, Russian equipment locations, etc

[DakotaSnow]

21. The problem is

This is how China bullies other nations around. They just skip past everything and go straight to "Or Else!"

If they can't earn our respect, they're more than happy with our fear. Because far also gets them what they want, power.

The do not deserve respect, I will not give them power through my fear of their actions. I don't want the US to back down and set the precedent that once they skip to "Or else", we just back down again, and again, and again. Because some people live in fear and always want to back down from "Or else". And they want me to also. Sorry, I don't play that game by their rules.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

25. I wish we could individually rec. posts, but we can't, so here's this:

Welcome to DU

[DakotaSnow]

28. Thanks!

Long time lurker, a good 10 years. Decided to jump into the fray!

[ripcord]

31. The problem is that we are sending mixed messages

The One China policy is still the official position of the United States, under it we agree that the PRC is the sole legal government of China and we acknowledge that Taiwan is part of China. If Taiwan is still part of China as our official position says wouldn't the PRC have the right to control immigration there? The U.S. needs to step up, acknowledge the truth and recognize Taiwan as at least separate from China.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. The flaw in your post is that Speaker Pelosi isn't immigrating there,

and this is not something new, she's visited there many many times, so now China decides to make a big deal of it.

Never back down from a bully, it only worsens the situation.

The U.S. needs to step up, acknowledge the truth and recognize Taiwan as at least separate from China.

Agreed.

[ripcord]

34. We control visitors to the U.S. and its territories

If as U.S. policy says Taiwan is part of China then they can control people entering and leaving Taiwan. With the Ukraine war going on I doubt it will happen know but we a President to step and end this political theater. Taiwan is a separate country and China has never controlled it but you would never know that by looking at our idiotic policy on Taiwan. I honestly don't know why our government is complaining, this is a mess of our own making.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. That may be the official policy,

but unofficial policy seems to be far different, we supply Taiwan with military weapons, equipment and training, we routinely transit the Taiwan Straits with US warships, and, occasionally, warships from US allies, despite China's protestations.

I do agree that we need to recognize Taiwan as separate from China and be done with it.

[mathematic]

37. The US does not recognize Taiwan as part of PRC.

Where did you get the idea that the USA has officially acknowledged that Taiwan is a part of China? That's not what the "One China" policy means and it's kind of disturbing that you would align with the PRC definition of the phrase.

[David__77]

8. That is correct

It is needless and dangerous to the status quo.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

9. BULLSHIT!!!! nt

[catsudon]

36. well

If you want to know EXACTLY what china will do about Pelosi visiting Taiwan the answer lies in this Russian Proverb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning

my favorite part of that article is
See also
Hurting the feelings of the Chinese people
Paper tiger
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Ultimatum

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Taiwan hosts the largest contract chip manufacturer in the world

and Congress just passed the CHIPS and Science Act of 2022 (as part of a Supreme Court Security funding bill) as the initial effort to in-source chip-making and bring that part of the supply chain back here to the U.S. Apparently that Taiwan company has begun construction on a chip plant in Arizona, scheduled to open in 2024.

July 29, 20228:02 AM EDT
Last Updated 4 days ago

Taiwan says 'key position' in semiconductors won't be shaken as US passes chip act

Reuters



TAIPEI, July 29 (Reuters) - Taiwan's "key position" in making semiconductors will not be shaken and production on the island is the most efficient way of doing things, the Economy Ministry said on Friday in response to the U.S. Congress passing a major new chips act.

The U.S. House of Representatives passed the sweeping legislation on Thursday to subsidise the domestic semiconductor industry as it competes with Chinese and other foreign manufacturers.

Taiwan is a major chip producer, home to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd (TSMC) (2330.TW), the world's largest contract chipmaker, which is also investing $12 billion in a new plant in Arizona. read more

(snip)

https://www.reuters.com/technology/taiwan-says-key-position-semiconductors-wont-be-shaken-us-passes-chip-act-2022-07-29/

[Mister Ed]

40. Exactly. Pelosi's visit is a business trip. It is not saber-rattling. n/t

[sarisataka]

29. What could we lose?

Do you really think China would launch a military strike on Taiwan in an attempt to kill the US Speaker of the House? I would put the chances of that are between zero and none.

China is a master of the brinkmanship game. If you are not willing to play it against them you will lose every time. The US is still learning this.

[LenaBaby61]

38. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[DakotaSnow]

10. The CCP

This is China trying to flex and tell the US "This schoolyard is ours now. Get off our schoolyard.".

I myself do not want the precedent to be set where the CCP can give orders to the US where and when we are allowed to travel. Starts with Taiwan, then it'll be Japan, then S Korea, and on and on. Because we allowed them and empowered the CCP further.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

11. Exactly right,

it'll only embolden China.

[jgmiller]

39. One China Policy clarification

I keep seeing people saying since The One China policy is the official policy of the US we are violating it. It is not the official policy of the US, wording way back then was that we acknowledged the policy existed. It's the policy of China not the US, we simply said "hey you have a policy and we recognize you do". That in no way means we agreed with it and we have done everything to show over the years that we don't. Yes the language is silly but that's how they do it.

[AntiFascist]

44. I hope Pelosi's loved ones appreciate this! n/t

[EX500rider]

49. Why she's in no danger

China's not about to start a war with the country that A buys most of their crap and B can glass over their whole country, certainly not over something trivial like this, they're just stomping their feet and having a childish temper tantrum.

[AntiFascist]

50. I'm sure she would be in no danger...

but businesses that depend on "buying their crap" may be, and some of that crap is quite sophisticated.