Democrats, Sinema reach deal on new taxes in Inflation Reduction Act
Source: Washington Post
Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) said she would move forward on a revised version of Senate Democrats health care, climate and deficit-reduction package, after party leaders agreed to scale back some of their original tax proposals.
The new approach along with other changes to the proposal known as the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 satisfied Sinemas chief concerns and helped set in motion a plan to approve it as soon as this weekend.
In a statement, Sinema said Democrats had agreed to remove a key tax targeting wealthy investors and had made changes to a second provision that aims to impose a new minimum tax on corporations that currently pay nothing to the U.S. government. From here, Sinema said she would await a final review from the chambers parliamentarian a critical step in the process that allows Democrats to move their spending bill at which point she would move forward.
The changes in total appear to have helped Democratic leaders thread a narrow needle, satisfying Sinema while still preserving the thrust of the deal that Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) worked out with another moderate Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.).
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/08/04/inflation-reduction-act-sinema/
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spooky3
(34,425 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,703 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,954 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)Is it everything we wanted? No. But this bill will help a lot of people and getting something done is better than getting nothing done.
texasfiddler
(1,990 posts)The Climate Change and Prescription Drug parts of the bill are very important to me.
Walleye
(30,996 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)I guess crumbs are better than nothing.
onetexan
(13,033 posts)Every accomplishment Dems can get done.
democratsruletheday
(501 posts)that's pretty far from the truth and you know it deep down. Don't let Sinema and/or Manchin pee on our parade. The bill is a damn good one overall but as someone else said: no bill is perfect. Embrace it, enjoy it and go have a drink. Cuz as someone else said:it's a BFD and the Dems just accomplished something the Repukes never could. They are worthless.
Mme. Defarge
(8,020 posts)it should further bolster the Dems chances in the upcoming mid-term election. With more Democratic Senators we can pass new legislation that fills in the missing pieces.
Nest-ce pas?
yaesu
(8,020 posts)"Sinema said Democrats had agreed to remove a key tax targeting wealthy investors and had made changes to a second provision that aims to impose a new minimum tax on corporations"
texasfiddler
(1,990 posts)My favorite is the renewable part for Climate Change. I weird like that.
AllyCat
(16,173 posts)REAL constituents (oil and the investment industries) arent paying their fair share? Again.
Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)This is the biggest investment in fighting climate change in history.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)The bill will reinstate an 80 million acre sale for the Gulf of Mexico that a federal judge had invalidated. With the bill the Interior Department will be required to offer at least two million acres of federal land and 60 million acres of off shore areas to oil and gas producers every year for the next decade. If they don't they will be banned from giving permits to wind or solar projects on federal land.
Shell Oil CEO Ben van Beurden applauded the deal and highlighted its promise of new lease sales to come.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-climate-bill-is-a-boon-for-fossil-fuels-11659045759
Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)Are you trolling?
femmedem
(8,199 posts)Reputable news sources need revenue to survive.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,568 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)Environmental groups are already looking at the data and agreeing it reduces carbon emissions as stated.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,568 posts)I saw no mention of the new leases in coverage of the bill prior to yesterday. All analysis of emissions reduction focused only on the reduction measures in the bill, and didnt factor in the additional emissions that will be created by the new leases.
drray23
(7,627 posts)this bill lowers the price of prescription drugs, significantly funds climate change, funds the IRS so that they can go after tax evasion.
Those things alone are a huge step forward.
Apparently Sinema got one of the tax measures dropped and tweaked but still kept the other measure on minimum tax for corporations. If this gets us everything else it's a good compromise.
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)Along with pounding personal freedom and getting government and Republican politicians out of our bedrooms.
Me.
(35,454 posts)where her concerns are centered. For whom the bells toll Senator.
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drray23
(7,627 posts)Apparently not.
It reduces the price of prescription drugs, funds the IRS to go after tax cheats, massively funds climate change measures, insures corporations pay a minimum tax ( that was tweaked but still there).
Those things alone are a huge deal. For example so many people can't afford prescription drugs right now.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Not so much.
The bill gives a big boost to the fossil fuel industry.
The bill will reinstate an 80 million acre sale for the Gulf of Mexico that a federal judge had invalidated. With the bill the Interior Department will be required to offer at least two million acres of federal land and 60 million acres of off shore areas to oil and gas producers every year for the next decade. If they don't they will be banned from giving permits to wind or solar projects on federal land.
Shell Oil CEO Ben van Beurden applauded the deal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-climate-bill-is-a-boon-for-fossil-fuels-11659045759
drray23
(7,627 posts)and yes some parts are for the fossil industry. It's a given that this was needed to get Manchin on board.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Over ten years and that includes health care and tax issues.
drray23
(7,627 posts)it's 740 billions, the climate change part itself is the number you quote.
https://www.agweb.com/news/policy/politics/what-changed-senator-manchins-mind-about-740b-reconciliation-bill
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)spooky3
(34,425 posts)lapucelle
(18,229 posts)The WSJ article with that error has been cited twice in this thread.
spooky3
(34,425 posts)Carried interest piece is relative to, for example, the corporate minimum tax revenue. Its understandable why a compromise was reached on that for now, but if Dems do well in November, I hope they go back to remedy the injustice.
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)At any rate, it is likely that the carried interest loophole will be revisited in the near future. That's why it's important to grow our majority in the Senate.
We'll have opportunities for reconciliation bills in the 118th Congress (January 2023) if we hold our majority.
That's why it's disappointing to see this bill mischaracterized on this forum. It serves to depress the Democratic vote.
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Sinema said shes willing to consider legislation changing the taxation of carried interest and would work with Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., a centrist Finance panel member, on it after the budget reconciliation measure advances.
Following this effort, I look forward to working with Senator Warner to enact carried interest tax reforms, protecting investments in America's economy and encouraging continued growth while closing the most egregious loopholes that some abuse to avoid paying taxes, she said.
https://rollcall.com/2022/08/04/sinema-ready-to-advance-budget-bill-after-tax-changes/
spooky3
(34,425 posts)TiberiusB
(487 posts)Here's a break down of some of what's in the bill.
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)Why does the phrase "energy security" seem like an open door for abuse? The bill is specific and detailed as to exactly what it is funding.
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texasfiddler
(1,990 posts)Offer them first dibs. Who cares. Economics will win. This was the carrot that Manchin needed. The SEIA is very excited about this bill, so I don't think it is the piece of shit bill you think it is.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)Especially when its paywalled.
former9thward
(31,961 posts)That is how it works. If I didn't post a link then the complaint would be "where is the link?"
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,837 posts)What a fake.
The bill is better than nothing but I'm hoping she gets primaried when she's up for reelection.
ancianita
(36,009 posts)because her donors said they'd primary her if she didn't deliver. So now the party will primary the hell out of her whenever she goes to re-up.
Rhiannon12866
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AllyCat
(16,173 posts)What is that telling us?
IronLionZion
(45,403 posts)hardly anyone is affected by that but they are fabulously wealthy. She's actually to the right of Manchin on this.
I hope we get the 1% tax on stock buybacks. There's a lot of that with cash rich companies who decided not to lower prices or increase wages, just prop up their own stock price.
Arizona is not known as a manufacturing state. Who lobbied her to remove the minimum corporate tax? She claims she's protecting manufacturing jobs.
Lasher
(27,552 posts)Trump promised to end it but of course he did not. That would be a real big deal to me.
IronLionZion
(45,403 posts)The latter set of revisions are likely to benefit some manufacturers, according to two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition anonymity to describe the unreleased details. Many corporate executives, including local Arizona business leaders, had petitioned Sinema to consider the consequences of the tax in recent days.
Lasher
(27,552 posts)It is not spelled out that way in the no paywall version. But I see that it is in this one.
This is unfortunate indeed. But like they say it's better than nothing.
Gore1FL
(21,116 posts)czarjak
(11,260 posts)BaronChocula
(1,535 posts)I do hate the Sinema compromise, and frankly, I dislike her and Manchin greatly, but they are the reality we have to deal with. Let's take their judicial votes and move on. But not until we CELEBRATE another Biden-era victory. I'm having a drink!
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)I wouldn't count on anything until the bill is signed into law -- including that the parliamentarian (who, if I recall correctly, is a Republican who has shot down our reconciliation proposals in the past) will approve it if S&M both signal their assent.
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)She was appointed by Harry Reid in 2012.
quakerboy
(13,918 posts)Im a skeptic. I wont believe it till its actually signed and done.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,168 posts)Manchin or Sinema. But I actually trust Manchin's old school word over the slippery sleazy Sinema.
I would not be surprised one iota if she pulls a last minute tantrum, knowing she has them over a barrel and any sudden defeat now would be devastating to the party she obviously despises.
quakerboy
(13,918 posts)I dont think she cares one way or the other about the party. Or the voters. Or anyone.
She also doesnt care much about power, or is extremely short sighted, because its hard to win future elections when your own party despises you, your basic existance is unacceptable to the opposition, and noone with an ounce of sense would trust you.
That pretty well leaves money. Its pretty much got to be money. This is where an actually active, investigative justice system would be real helpful.
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