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brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 09:33 PM Aug 2022

Jan. 6 Grand Jury Has Subpoenaed White House Documents

Source: New York Times

Federal prosecutors investigating the role that former President Donald J. Trump and his allies played in the events leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol have issued a grand jury subpoena to the National Archives for all the documents the agency provided to a parallel House select committee inquiry, according to a copy of the subpoena obtained by The New York Times.

The subpoena, issued to the National Archives in May, made a sweeping demand for “all materials, in whatever form” that the archives had given to the Jan. 6 House committee. Those materials included records from the files of Mr. Trump’s top aides, his daily schedule and phone logs and a draft text of the president’s speech that preceded the riot.

It was signed by Thomas P. Windom, the federal prosecutor who has been leading the Justice Department’s wide-ranging inquiry into what part Mr. Trump and his allies may have played in various schemes to maintain power after the former president’s defeat in the 2020 election — chief among them a plan to submit fake slates of pro-Trump electors in states actually won by Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The subpoena was not related to a separate investigation into Mr. Trump’s retention and handling of classified documents that were removed from the White House at the end of his tenure and taken to Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Palm Beach, Fla. That inquiry led this month to a court-approved search of Mar-a-Lago during which federal agents carted off several boxes of sensitive materials.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/us/politics/jan-6-grand-jury-subpoena.html
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gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
1. WTH is going on?
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 10:16 PM
Aug 2022

Is this just an easier way for DOJ to get documents that the J6 committee had months ago?

Is DOJ trying to play catch up?

The pyramid-style investigation didn't work, there isn't enough time.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
3. The prosecutors need all these documents to dot the i's and cross the t's
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 10:37 PM
Aug 2022

before presenting their case(s) to the Grand Jury where simple-majority vote(s) -- 50% +1 -- will suffice to return indictment(s).

Plenty of time left. Gotta do it perfectly. Running for 2024 will not shield anyone.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
5. No way in hell that Trump goes before a grand jury quickly,
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 10:50 PM
Aug 2022

It will take 3 years for a Trump trial.

Letitia and Fani are farther along and even those prosecutions will take time.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,423 posts)
6. Keep the bright lights shining on the Orange Shitstain.
Wed Aug 17, 2022, 11:48 PM
Aug 2022

Peel away a couple 2-3% of the Republican vote, gain 2-3% of the Independents and get another 2-3% of Democrats to turn out and you have a fucking tidal wave.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
9. Exactly, you get it.
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 07:34 AM
Aug 2022

Last edited Thu Aug 18, 2022, 08:21 AM - Edit history (1)

They are 1 giant step behind.

The DOJ pyramid prosecution was a huge mistake because of time constraints.

With that said, I am speaking about the insurrection crimes, the coup crimes. I have my doubts that Trump will ever be indicted for his role in the insurrection. I do think that DOJ should indict Trump for the classified document scandal. Think about this; Trump had classified documents for 18 months at Mar-el-Loco and DOJ finally took the case when the National Archives issued it a criminal referral. Every good prosecutor who I have listened to on TV has said the same thing, the sooner the investigation the better for the prosecution. The longer one waits to investigate hampers the investigation because memories fade, evidence gets destroyed or hidden, criminals have time to get their story straight, the statute of limitations comes into play.

My hopes for DOJ prosecuting Trump lies with the classified documents scandal, and it is no sure thing that DOJ will prosecute Trump for that, DOJ may feel good enough that it just got back "most' of the documents. I didn't just think this way on my own, I heard other prosecutors say the same thing.

Learning that DOJ is subpoenaing the same documents that the J6 committee got a year ago is encouraging but it's Steve Kornacki time now until the election. I feel that DOJ should not pause any investigation or prosecution for anyone who is not on the November ballot, it involves our national security.

Evolve Dammit

(16,728 posts)
12. An after thought is: That's what happens when you wait a fucking year and a half. Shit goes away,
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 08:29 AM
Aug 2022

physically and mentally.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
13. Michael Cohen knows Trump better than most people,
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 09:03 AM
Aug 2022

he just came out and suggested that Trump took the classified documents as an insurance policy. Cohen said that if Trump was arrested that he would threaten to release classified documents to foreign countries. I understand Cohen's newly found hatred for Trump, but what he opines is believable.

ultralite001

(894 posts)
14. The shortest distance... whatever it takes...
Thu Aug 18, 2022, 12:24 PM
Aug 2022

So TFG is never able to run for public office again…

That is all…

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