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Eugene

(67,102 posts)
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 12:25 PM Sep 2022

Panel: Archives still not certain it has all Trump records

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Archives is still not certain that it has custody of all Donald Trump’s presidential records even after the FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago club, a congressional committee said in a letter Tuesday.

The House Committee on Oversight and Reform revealed that staff at the Archives on an Aug. 24 call could not provide assurances that they have all of Trump’s presidential records. The committee in the letter asked the Archives to conduct an assessment of whether any Trump records remain unaccounted for and potentially in his possession.

“In light of revelations that Mr. Trump’s representatives misled investigators about his continued possession of government property and that material found at his club included dozens of ‘empty folders’ for classified material, I am deeply concerned that sensitive presidential records may remain out of the control and custody of the U.S. Government,” Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., the chairwoman of the Oversight Committee, wrote in the letter.

-snip-

By FARNOUSH AMIRI
an hour ago


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-carolyn-maloney-congress-government-and-politics-5eddf3738732cbed53f2fa439c43b84f

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Panel: Archives still not certain it has all Trump records (Original Post) Eugene Sep 2022 OP
Video of him moving boxes to Bedminster is probable cause I would think Walleye Sep 2022 #1
If this were anyone else MontanaMama Sep 2022 #2
He had the documents for 18 months. gab13by13 Sep 2022 #4
Someone on the board this w/e stated that the DOJ & FBI has been infiltrated by MAGAt Hestia Sep 2022 #21
Seems AP news made a glaring error in the story and headline. Mister Ed Sep 2022 #3
The headline is also kinda wrong because it's Congress questioning whether NARA has all documents Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2022 #11
DOJ seems averse to putting Mark Meadows before a grand jury. gab13by13 Sep 2022 #5
To be honest after finding all those top secret documents Emile Sep 2022 #6
Agree 2000%!!! Unless... Shipwack Sep 2022 #15
They will find more files at Bedminster. sarcasmo Sep 2022 #7
Not without solid probable cause that Bedminster specifically is where he's keeping them NullTuples Sep 2022 #18
I've never had to get security clearance so I don't know for sure. Jarqui Sep 2022 #8
That's what I want to know MiniMe Sep 2022 #20
That's the very point Hillary made & asked - when secure docs were brought to her office, Hestia Sep 2022 #23
The Bedminster Annex is but one place they should be checking. Cohen said there's probably Ford_Prefect Sep 2022 #9
I still can't understand why the DOJ has taken so long, and at least appeared to be so lax calimary Sep 2022 #12
I came to the conclusion many months ago gab13by13 Sep 2022 #16
If an ex president cannot be held accountable, our legal system will be seen as corrupt. NullTuples Sep 2022 #19
Oh Lordy, Steve Kornacki. calimary Sep 2022 #25
It's due to the embedded MAGAt's at DOJ & FBI hosing up these investigations Hestia Sep 2022 #24
Why Yes! Yes it is. Along with unspeakable pressure from GOP Congress members. Ford_Prefect Sep 2022 #26
U.S. lawmakers ask National Archives for accounting of Trump records Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 #10
I have another idea, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #17
I'm certain they don't have it all. nt SunSeeker Sep 2022 #13
Oh, I'm certain they don't. Ligyron Sep 2022 #14
Subpoenas should go out to all those guys who huddled with TFG yesterday. no_hypocrisy Sep 2022 #22
According to Business Insider, nightthinker Sep 2022 #27

gab13by13

(32,335 posts)
4. He had the documents for 18 months.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 12:35 PM
Sep 2022

DOJ should have taken the case early on instead of leaving it up to the Archives.
I guarantee this, he has all of the documents that could incriminate him in an indictment. Those documents are next to Ivana ashes.

My local public library keeps better records.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
21. Someone on the board this w/e stated that the DOJ & FBI has been infiltrated by MAGAt
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:29 PM
Sep 2022

Wormtongues and they are the one's who have been hosing up all the investigations. It's like these enablers were not informing Garland about any investigation and what has been found. It doesn't help that Barr has been trying to show himself as the "voice of reason" and then that book has been released by SDNY AG tells the real truth about Barr. It's the hires from TFG takeover of our gov't that has tried to stop any investigation cold...(who knew that Sessions would be a small voice of reason in the age of treason)

Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
3. Seems AP news made a glaring error in the story and headline.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 12:33 PM
Sep 2022

They twice referred to the documents in question as "Donald Trump's presidential records."

The documents are not "Donald Trump's presidential records."

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. The headline is also kinda wrong because it's Congress questioning whether NARA has all documents
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 01:04 PM
Sep 2022

But the headline clearly suggests NARA themselves are questioning it. These are not equivalent concepts.

'Congress questioning NARA whether all docs Trump stole have been recovered' would be a lot more accurate.

gab13by13

(32,335 posts)
5. DOJ seems averse to putting Mark Meadows before a grand jury.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 12:40 PM
Sep 2022

Meadows was Trump's enabler, he knows just about everything that went on.

Remember when the J6 committee subpoenaed Meadows and he turned over a lot of juicy documents, then he went silent, right after Trump gave him a million dollars.

Emile

(42,293 posts)
6. To be honest after finding all those top secret documents
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 12:43 PM
Sep 2022

at Mar-a-Lago they haven't searched his other properties.

Shipwack

(3,065 posts)
15. Agree 2000%!!! Unless...
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 01:36 PM
Sep 2022

I suppose it's possible that his other properties have already been searched, and because they were trying to be discreet very few know. After all, the only reason we know about the Mara Lago search is because Trump threw a hissy fit about it...

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
18. Not without solid probable cause that Bedminster specifically is where he's keeping them
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:02 PM
Sep 2022

After the amount of time that has gone by, our legal system should recognize that he might have spread them around, or moved them. One would think that finding documents in one location indicates he's likely to have them elsewhere, too, but maybe I'm thinking too rationally.

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
8. I've never had to get security clearance so I don't know for sure.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 12:49 PM
Sep 2022

But you would think that the nation's vital secrets would be kept track of.
If someone wanted to view the docs in a remote SCIF, they would get signed out.
And then signed back in when they were returned for example.
And you would think that back up copies/scans would be kept in case "the plane went down" or whatever.

I have a feeling DoJ knows a lot more than they're letting on.
Trump has been playing with them for some time.
Trump can fool the oppressed, MAGAts, dumb politicians, etc.
But these folks in Counterintelligence - they're not stupid people.
Trump is going to get burned.

MiniMe

(21,883 posts)
20. That's what I want to know
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:12 PM
Sep 2022

How did those confidential records that are so secret, how did those records get out of the white house?

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
23. That's the very point Hillary made & asked - when secure docs were brought to her office,
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:34 PM
Sep 2022

they were handcuffed to a military member in a metal box, she read and signed if need be, and returned to military member and relocked in the box and taken to WH.

She kept asking (on the clip from The View) how did he get his hands on these papers & who gave him the docs and watched in pack them up and move to his golf course?

That may be the $64,000 Question...further sedition there...

Ford_Prefect

(8,613 posts)
9. The Bedminster Annex is but one place they should be checking. Cohen said there's probably
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 12:51 PM
Sep 2022

files and data stored in ALL of the family owned domiciles. That's the Trump M.O.

calimary

(90,039 posts)
12. I still can't understand why the DOJ has taken so long, and at least appeared to be so lax
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 01:27 PM
Sep 2022

in its efforts to get to the bottom of all the trump sneakiness. Are they STILL assuming he's essentially a misunderstood semi-good guy?

W. T. F.???

WHY are they still treating him with kid gloves and giving him the benefit of the doubt, EVEN NOW? After all we've learned so far (and that's still probably not even the half of it)?

HAVEN'T the DOJ and others in law enforcement seen enough by now to waive the "innocent til proven guilty" response? BY NOW??? With THIS guy? Are they so eager and willing to forgive and forget?

WHY is THIS asshole STILL being given the benefit of the doubt? It's been a LOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNG time since he proved he doesn't deserve it.

gab13by13

(32,335 posts)
16. I came to the conclusion many months ago
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 02:03 PM
Sep 2022

it's not about evidence, (ducks) it's about whether to indict a former president, and members of his cabinet.

It's sad because we will have to watch Steve Kornacki until after the election. Merrick Garland could go on national TV and declare his investigation into the stolen top secret documents, because of threats to our national security, will not pause because of the election. I can dream.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
19. If an ex president cannot be held accountable, our legal system will be seen as corrupt.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:04 PM
Sep 2022

That's what the DoJ *should* be considering.

calimary

(90,039 posts)
25. Oh Lordy, Steve Kornacki.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:41 PM
Sep 2022

Okay, I'm glad he still has a job, but ENOUGH with the log-sawing arm gestures - that hand jabbing back and forth in front of the graphic he's talking about in detail but that NOBODY CAN SEE! Because he's jabbing that arm back and forth, ostensibly pointing to whatever graphic he's talking about - THAT YOU CAN'T FREAKIN' SEE!!!

He should have to wear something like that horrid dress Meghan Markle wore - white with a very long collar or over-layer or whatever it was called - that went from her neckline WAY down to elbow level, all the way around. Like the top of her was in some sort of cast - she couldn't move her arms around, or reach up, or anything. It was like a binding of sorts. Ugly and not flexible and probably ghastly-hard to wear. You could barely swing your arms front-to-back in that damn thing. Might as well have been wrapped up like a mummy or something. Absolutely dreadful.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,732 posts)
10. U.S. lawmakers ask National Archives for accounting of Trump records
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 01:02 PM
Sep 2022

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A congressional panel on Tuesday sought an urgent review by the U.S. National Archives after agency staff members acknowledged that they did not know if all presidential records from Donald Trump's administration had been turned over.

House of Representatives Oversight Committee Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney also asked the Archives, the federal agency charged with preserving government records, to seek a written certification from the Republican former president that he has handed over all presidential records and classified materials.

Maloney, a Democrat, also wants him to confirm he has not made copies or transferred them anywhere other than to that agency or the Justice Department.

Trump is facing a criminal investigation by the Justice Department for retaining government records - some marked as highly classified, including "top secret" - at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida after leaving office in January 2021.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/u-s-lawmakers-ask-national-archives-for-accounting-of-trump-records/ar-AA11M1UX

gab13by13

(32,335 posts)
17. I have another idea,
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 02:06 PM
Sep 2022

why don't the House and Senate intelligence committees subpoena Trump and ask him why he stole top secret documents?

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
14. Oh, I'm certain they don't.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 01:34 PM
Sep 2022

And our Intel agencies absolutely know they don't.

I just wonder if some type of sting op hasn't already been run on that traitor. He may have had one of the kids do the dirty work because he tends to delegate actionable deeds, you know... like a mob boss.

no_hypocrisy

(54,908 posts)
22. Subpoenas should go out to all those guys who huddled with TFG yesterday.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:29 PM
Sep 2022

Check in Hannity's underwear drawer, etc.

nightthinker

(268 posts)
27. According to Business Insider,
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 05:06 PM
Sep 2022

"An empty "classified" folder is on display at the 45-themed bar in Trump Tower, per MSNBC."

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