Bus contractor who was hired by Gov. Abbott signed contract not to talk to New York officials.

[Stuart G]

Source: Yahoo News

A contractor hired by Texas to bus migrants signed an agreement that bans them from talking to New York officials, the Associated Press reported.

Manuel Castro, commissioner of the New York City Mayor's Office of Immigrant Affairs, told the AP that complicates efforts to meet and provide resources for migrants being sent from Texas.

"It's a problem because we don't know when the buses are coming, how many buses are coming, if anyone on these buses has medical conditions that they will need help with, if they need a wheelchair,"Castro told the outlet. "We at least want to know that so that we can best help people as they arrive."

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/bus-contractor-hired-texas-gov-192722017.htmlLink to source

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Well, it has started. Abbot was sure he could get away with it, but the "Stupid One" (Gov. Abbott) made a mistake, A Very Big Mistake. Wait, is Abbott running for election in November? Someone named Beto is running against him.
Is that correct? And Beto has an honest background, not like Abbot. Is that correct too? Wonderful move for our side... Abbot is much TOO STUPID to know he made a mistake......(in Stuart's opinion)

[Me.]

1. Can THe BUs Driver Be Arrested For Aiding Traffucung

[Stuart G]

2. I haven't got a clue on that one, says Stu...

[Zilli]

12. Maybe a subpoena from a federal grand jury

would override any document that this driver signed and force disclosure. Wonder if a state grand jury would be able to do the same. Oh well, I'm dreaming . . . .

[wnylib]

23. Seems to me that no contract could be binding if

it means obstructing justice in a criminal investigation.

But I am not a lawyer.

I would just arrest the driver or pilot and transport company on charges of human trafficking.

[LeftInTX]

39. It may not be binding because I believe buses are subject to some sort of NTSB something or other...

This would be independent of who their passengers were...

[2naSalit]

14. Yes...

If officials wanted to. It would be the feds since they crossed state lines. The driver is also responsible.

[W T F]

16. Yes, and the buses can be impounded

[machoneman]

57. Yes! Impound each any every bus, arrest each driver, charge the bus operator's license with...

illegal trafficing. Sieze any bus, even in FL or TX, owned by the firm and make them play it all out in court. Notify their carrier insurance co. of the crime and demand cancellation. And this just for starters. Herald these acts in the media to scare off any other bus co, from following Abbot's or DeSatan's order. Arrest the woman (mystery woman) who produced those fake documents. This all just for starters.

Then, seize all the jets that fleet charter co, has used, suspend each pilot's FAA license, impound their hangars and ground equipment. Arrest the line's executives for illegal trafficking.

[housecat]

17. I doubt if "just following orders" will help them

[bronxiteforever]

3. New York has an anti human trafficking law.

This sounds like a clear violation.

[wnylib]

27. Hmm. A job for AG Letitia James?

[bucolic_frolic]

4. Interstate busing has to be regulated by some Federal authority

There are licenses, regulations.

[ShazzieB]

21. I'm sure there is.

I don't know what specific agency it would, but it would have to be under the Dept. Of Transportation, under the purview of Secretary Pete! 😁

[msfiddlestix]

61. Good! I'm wondering if SoT is on the case, I sure hope so!

[LeftInTX]

40. Yes

[NullTuples]

5. The driver will be the one taking part of the fall

I'm going to guess he'll get a subpoena eventually as part of the investigation & Abbott's administration will use that to deny him pay for a job he'd already done.

[Evolve Dammit]

20. As cynical as that sounds, you are probably right on.

[Beartracks]

6. Worth the paper it's written on?

Ad really, what could be the consequences for breach?

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[wnylib]

25. Wouldn't a contract be evidence of

conspiracy to commit the crime of human trafficking? Then couldn't all parties to the contract be charged?

[Jimvanhise]

7. CONTRACT NULLIFICATION

If a contract on its face is illegal, it cannot be enforced. The contract basically tells the driver that even though what he's doing is against the law, he's not allowed to discuss it. Fail.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. +Bingo

[crickets]

22. 👆👆

[wnylib]

28. And the contract itself could be evidence of conspiracy

to commit a crime, couldn't it?

[sakabatou]

38. Yup.

[Swede]

8. Arrest him and throw him in jail.

Let him get a lawyer and make his bond BIG.

[Stuart G]

10. I hope that is exactly what happens.

And then we will learn more of the .."facts" ..."Just the Facts, man, Just the Facts"

[wnylib]

30. But who gets to arrest him?

Wouldn't it have to be someone on a federal level? I don't think that one state can arrest the governor of another state.

[LeftInTX]

51. Feds are responsible for interstate transport

This would be a DOT or NTSB thing.

Although I don't know if they would arrest Abbott, but they could make his life miserable.

[no_hypocrisy]

11. Any contract that is based on illegal activity is void.

[paleotn]

13. Exactly. In any jurisdiction.

[DUgosh]

15. Seize the buses and planes

Sell them to pay for food and housing

[wnylib]

31. Bingo!

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. In Nov, we will see just how stupid Texas voters really are.

Or not.

[moonshinegnomie]

19. seize the buses

also let it be known that any bus driver who drives the buses can also be arrested. just the threat should be enough to act as a deterrent

[czarjak]

24. NDA? Dannie Scott Goeb is who's really Greg's Brain. He's really in charge around here.

[Takket]

26. why in the WORLD would the bus company even sign on to that??????

i can't fathom signing a contract from a government official with those kinds of terms. you can't discuss it with New York??? Don't these bus companies have lawyers to review requests that bizarre???????? wouldn't such phrasing arouse suspicions that something about this was VERY wrong?

and is it even legal to just put people on a bus and ship them cross country?????? without them knowing where they are even going???

[azureblue]

33. as a condition to get the contract

and to get paid..

[Hekate]

29. Question him regarding participating in a crime and see how long his silence lasts

[azureblue]

32. the contract

is not worth the paper it's printed on
1 - The Bus driver / company committed a crime by transporting undocumented migrants. The Bus Driver can be arrested for being a coyote.
2 - Then, if he wants to avoid jail, he will talk. He can be held for contempt of court if he refuses, and a Judge will not buy the contract as an excuse. In fact, a judge will consider that hindering justice.
3 - any NDA signed in the commission of a crime, is void. Even Abbott knows that..

[LeftInTX]

41. The migrants are free to travel

That has been established over and over...
Asylum seekers almost always take buses to their sponsoring host. I know people who work with them. They provide them with supplies before they take their trip.

[EmmaLee E]

63. I think they have to apply for asylum first ..

then they can travel while awaiting hearing on their cases (which usually takes a long time).

[LeftInTX]

67. This happens at the border

Where they go through the ICE Centers..Some are detention centers. They are given background checks etc etc etc
Afterward, they are free to travel

The Migrant Center in San Antonio is a not "legal" thing. It's a social center/shelter where they are given a place to sleep for a few days. The Migrant Center helps them find host families etc. After a few days, they are no longer staying at the Migrant Center due to to space limitations. If they don't have a host family they are kinda homeless afterward. However, they are probably allowed some of the daytime services.

I didn't know there was a migrant center there. I had some business to do just down the block from the center. There were large amounts of homeless people and I thought, "Yeah, it looks like the homeless problem is getting really bad...." (Our homeless shelters are downtown and the migrant center is in a middle class part of town, near shopping centers etc)

The Migrant Center is a partnership with the City of San Antonio and Catholic Charities.

[2live is 2fly]

34. From everything I've read, this stunt is probably illegal, and there is not a damn thing that would

prevent those responsible for transporting these poor misfortunate brothers and sisters from being arrested for doing so. Those doing the transporting i.e., drivers and pilots are all (IMO) a part of the conspiracy.

[ZonkerHarris]

35. huge liability. However that contract cluase shows intent to cause harm on Texas's part.

[LeftInTX]

44. Yes

[halfulglas]

36. Not NY officials, the FBI (interstate crime). A contract to commit a crime is never legally binding.

That contract isn't worth a rodent's behind.

[Marcuse]

37. Let's nip this cruel farce in the bud. Prosecute.

[LeftInTX]

42. NBC News has an article

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/surprise-is-key-part-of-migrant-travel-from-florida-texas/2836780/

Last week, a 2-year-old who arrived in New York was hospitalized for dehydration and a pregnant woman on the same bus was in severe pain, according to advocates and city officials. Volunteer groups such as TLC NYC often wait hours for buses arriving from Texas in a designated space of Manhattan’s Port of Authority Bus Terminal because expected arrival times have been off.

[NBachers]

43. Contract Schmontract It ain't worth shit

[yaesu]

45. I just found out that DHS agents were also in on this, giving migrants fake addresses

laws have definitely been broken, Federal agents were also in on it, with that many "groups" involved that is RICO!

[LeftInTX]

49. Those papers were unsigned...The migrants were put in a motel by a strange woman named Perla

She picked them up at McDonald's and put them in a motel for a few days.

I'm sure any fraudster could fill out those documents

[msfiddlestix]

62. Wow. TRumpers employd with DHS gonna get fired maybe?

[BlueIdaho]

46. Contracts don't allow you to violate the law

Moving people across state lines against their will sure sounds like kidnapping to me.

[mn9driver]

47. With a contract clause like that, determining intent is open and shut.

Trafficking. Somebody is going down.

[Bayard]

48. This is crap

The whole affair stinks to high heaven, and sounds illegal. And Abbott admits he's planning to continue.

Pre-meditated crime and conspiracy. Beto should be able to wipe the floor with him after this stunt.

[Brainfodder]

50. Contract void if committing a crime, just a guess?

The stooges are alive, but which is which?

[7wo7rees]

52. Abbott is contemptible, the trio has to go come November.

Abbott, Patrick and Payton.

I'm joining up with League of Women Voters in my area. I'm talking to everyone, "are you registered, you must vote as though your life depends on it". Reaching out mostly to young kids and handing out voter registration cards.

I'm hopeful, but if we don't have a huge turnout, well, Texas has still kept the worst of the voting machines. All bets off.
And the Republican legislature did pass the same BS that Georgia did. If they don't like results, they can be overturned.

Most are not even aware. Early voting must be encouraged constantly. Impress how easy that is. Don't wait till the last day.

And check your voter registration. At 64, same address for 5 years, I was removed. Fixed it.

Ms7wo7rees

[LeftInTX]

53. DHS is not pleased with Abbott...LOL

DHS officials criticized the Republican governors for failing to coordinate the arrival of buses and planes with state and local governments.

“DHS officials work around-the-clock to enforce our laws, process migrants appropriately, and care for those in custody. Unlike these governors, they are not in the business of using vulnerable men, women, and children as props for a political stunt,” said DHS spokesman Luis Miranda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/17/texas-migrants-desantis-bus-flights/

[KS Toronado]

54. "bans them from talking to New York officials"

As soon as the bus crosses into New York State have the N.Y. Highway Patrol pull them over for
something, find out if their lips are sealed.

[YoshidaYui]

55. Abbot sent migrants to California today

N/t.

[DFW]

56. Interstate human trafficking.

Let them try refusing to talk to the FBI.

[gfwzig]

58. Impound the buses and million planes for suspicion of human trafficking ------ there will be no more

[LiberalFighter]

59. I would suggest he should hand over the agreement for them to review.

[msfiddlestix]

60. Wonder are there any federal laws violated? If so, that would nullify the contract it would seem.

I am not a legal scholar or lawyer or anything, Just a citizen thinking this just can't be legal.

Biut I've been shocked and surprised many times about what is legal when it comes to people in power.

[LeftInTX]

68. Yes, buses are part of Interstate Commerce..

It would be illegal for a bus not have a radio etc.

[LiberalFighter]

64. If the bus driver(s) knowingly signed a contract with that stipulation..

indicates they knew they were committing a crime.

[mountain grammy]

65. Will anyone stop them when they start

loading people in cattle cars with armed officers?

I'm honestly wondering how far this can go.. like the Trail of Tears when the supreme court said Jackson couldn't do it, but he did it anyway.

[Samrob]

66. Willful criminality. Come on lawyers...do your job. DeSantis and Abbott forced asylum seekers to

break the law and ruin their own changes for safe harbor.

[pfitz59]

69. Any minors on the bus?

throw the Mann Act at them. Certainly what they are doing is immoral.