Dearie asks Trump lawyers whether they believe FBI lied about seized documents
Source: Washington Post
The Mar-a-Lago special master on Thursday ordered Donald Trumps lawyers to state in a court filing whether they believe FBI agents lied about documents seized from the former presidents Florida residence in a court-authorized search last month, or claimed to have taken items that were not actually in Trumps possession.
In a Thursday afternoon filing, U.S. District Judge Raymond J. Dearie the special master told Trumps legal team to state by Sept. 30 whether they believe any of the seized items were incorrectly described in the Justice Departments 11-page inventory list, which said some of the documents were highly classified. Dearie also told them to say whether they are claiming that any items on the inventory list were not in fact taken from the premises. Trump has said on social media and in television interviews that the FBI planted items and described as classified documents that he had declassified when they searched his Mar-A-Lago residence and private club on Aug. 8.
His lawyers have not asserted that in court, however, instead saying they have not reviewed the seized materials and are unable to confirm whether the governments inventory list is accurate. Dearies order marks the first time that a courts has demanded that Trumps lawyers back up his claims. The submission shall be Plaintiffs final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory, he wrote. Its a striking difference from how Judge Aileen Cannon the Florida-based judge who granted Trumps request to appoint a special master earlier this month has handled her part of the case.
Cannon never asked Trumps lawyers to explain why they thought the inventory list may be inaccurate or why they implied that some of the documents that were labeled as classified were not actually classified. Dearie gave the government which is investigating the potential mishandling of classified information at Mar-a-Lago until Monday to submit a statement declaring whether its inventory list is a full and accurate representation of what was seized. The government must also later respond to any factual disputes that Trumps team raises in its filings.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/22/dearie-trump-order-declassify/
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getagrip_already
(14,676 posts)Why the F is this on my plate? Why didn't judge cannon handle this question?
underpants
(182,725 posts)I came out of retirement for THIS??
Not a lawyer but your post sounds like what Ive heard in the office before. Without the F but we all knew it was there.
FakeNoose
(32,613 posts)Judge Cannon has already proven that she cannot be fair or impartial.
calimary
(81,179 posts)You shouldnt complain, donald. YOU picked him.
Botany
(70,479 posts)The submission shall be Plaintiffs final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to completeness and
accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory, he wrote.
IOW to TFG's lawyers do you want to perjure your selfs in front of my court?
grumpyduck
(6,231 posts)Walleye
(30,996 posts)Walleye
(30,996 posts)SergeStorms
(19,190 posts)thinking about them, why worry?
"Some people say you can do that, and it's perfectly legal".
Please produce affidavits from these people, Mr. Trump. Tell them to provide their CVs as well.
What a dipshit.
Walleye
(30,996 posts)SergeStorms
(19,190 posts)You have him down to a T.
I'm surprised he didn't say that on Hannity. Maybe he's saving it for tonight.
yonder
(9,662 posts)TFG trying to show Hillary a thing or two about classification....and he'll likely get hoisted by his own petard.
Walleye
(30,996 posts)Thank you William Shakespeare
TDFG: "I don't even know that law. I might have met it a long time ago. Maybe it got coffee for me once."
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Volaris
(10,269 posts)Charged with breaking his own fucking law.
Walleye
(30,996 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)Walleye
(30,996 posts)Wednesdays
(17,332 posts)Walleye
(30,996 posts)intrepidity
(7,288 posts)Can't wait to see his response.
Bet it goes like this: I can't be sure because they won't let me examine what they took!
Walleye
(30,996 posts)Simple look at the list. If you didnt have possession of something on there, now is your chance to say so.
intrepidity
(7,288 posts)Wait for it....
Walleye
(30,996 posts)intrepidity
(7,288 posts)Walleye
(30,996 posts)intrepidity
(7,288 posts)speak easy
(9,220 posts)person, woman, man, camera, TV
erronis
(15,216 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)In my head was, does the trump team have a real list? How can they say a list is accurate unless they literally took notes or had a good list? Know they're blowing smoke, but it seems impossible
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)The boxes? I guess it kind of depends on what they did during the search. Did the FBI sit down with somebody and say okay number one, here's a classified document, number two here's a newspaper clipping, etc etc
sdfernando
(4,929 posts)Person - Woman - Man - Camera - TV.
zuul
(14,624 posts)Ponietz
(2,956 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,714 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)ShazzieB
(16,348 posts)yonder
(9,662 posts)crickets
(25,959 posts)EndlessWire
(6,477 posts)calimary
(81,179 posts)ZonkerHarris
(24,216 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)Botany
(70,479 posts)He is old school and if you are in his court room you had better bring your A game. Now Trump can
on Fox or go in front of a MAGA rally in Youngstown and lie his ass off but his lawyers know they
can't say made up shit like, "President Trump already declassified those documents so it is all OK."
calimary
(81,179 posts)will swallow ANYTHING he feeds them. Including shit.
Botany
(70,479 posts)I think the majority of those ding dongs know down deep that Trump is lying to them as
he is picking their pockets but the hateful, anti educational, racist shit he spews scratches
their hateful, anti educational, and racist shit itches.
BTW for the love of dog I wish the media would cover the fact that it is the same people
who go to his rallies time after time.
intheflow
(28,452 posts)Because many of his QAnon followers know nothing about law, government, or the justice system beyond what fictions they binge on Netflix, they will believe his lawyers were bought out by powerful Jews and Black people driven to "final solution" Trump and his followers for political gain. It must be exhausting to be so dumb and blind to reality.
multigraincracker
(32,656 posts)maxsolomon
(33,265 posts)They had no inventory of their own; they just had boxes of stuff.
Dearie doesn't tolerate malarkey.
orleans
(34,043 posts)They had no inventory of their own; they just had boxes of stuff.
this a million times!
Walleye
(30,996 posts)Youd think he couldve had one of his minions at least write up a list of stuff. He doesnt want to let anybody in on his secrets. Wasnt Kash Patel supposed to be taking care of this
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)would be my defense... I know nuttin. And if they found my fingerprints I just say "well I may have touched this in 2017!" Now if the government has a video of me sitting in that room reading through the docs, that's a 100% different story
Novara
(5,837 posts)Life looks a lot different with a judge who follows the law rather than sucks your ass, doesn't it, orange fuck?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,336 posts)The lawyer, no matter what he "believes", is obligated to defend his client. If he stands in court and says he doesn't believe the client, that seems like grounds for appeal, incompetent representation or something like that.
It just seems like a dumb question, even if all parties "know", with a wink and a nod, that the client is slinging bullshit.
ZonkerHarris
(24,216 posts)I think hes giving them a warning here
Based on the fact that we already know trumps lawyers have submitted false documents to the government ascertaining that all the documents have been returned already.
I think hes testing them. Hes testing them to see if theyre gonna make the same sort of false claims in his court ruled that were made to the DOJ already by other lawyers for Trump
BumRushDaShow
(128,714 posts)is asking them to basically clarify and attest to what they believe the problems were with the search process and what was seized. They had a hearing earlier in the week and I think this is probably more fallout from that. Another part of the OP article notes this -
Dearies order, in essence, demands that Trumps lawyers back up their clients claims. This submission shall be Plaintiffs final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory, he wrote.
At a hearing Tuesday, Dearie pressed Trumps lawyers to take a position on whether the classified documents were, as Trump has said, declassified, but they demurred.
(snip)
The government is also given an opportunity to address any assertions of impropriety, the veracity of their seizure, and accuracy of the inventory of what was to be taken, and what was actually taken.
But note that what they are doing isn't a "trial" with some outcome that can be "appealed". It's setting up the ground rules for document review - which is going to be looking at some 11,000 items, and that will now exclude anything that was marked as "Classified" (at any level).
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,336 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,714 posts)The last time something like this got "in the news" was when Michael Cohen had a Special Master assigned to go through the items collected from his apartment, office, and a hotel room he was using.
Allan Smith
Aug 16, 2018, 6:39 PM
(snip)
The special master overseeing the document review in the federal investigation into Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former longtime lawyer, has ruled that roughly 0.2% of the more than 4 million documents seized by the FBI from the attorney are covered by attorney-client privilege.
Barbara Jones, a retired federal judge appointed to oversee the review, wrote in her final report to US District Judge Kimba Wood on Thursday that nearly 7,500 documents were either privileged, highly personal, or partially privileged. Cohen claimed privilege over slightly more than 12,000 of the 4 million-plus documents, and is not challenging any of Jones's rulings with Wood.
In a filing that was posted shortly after Jones's final report, Wood wrote that the parties must file any objections to Jones's determinations to the court by Friday evening.
Cohen is the focus of a criminal investigation in the Southern District of New York into whether he violated campaign-finance laws, committed bank fraud or wire fraud, engaged in illegal lobbying, or participated in other crimes. The FBI raided Cohen's home, hotel room, and office in April, seizing more than 4 million documents from Trump's longtime lawyer.
(snip)
https://www.businessinsider.com/special-master-rules-few-michael-cohen-documents-privileged-2018-8
However little of that process ever got dissected in the media like what is going on right now!
ShazzieB
(16,348 posts)I hereby award him this:
Maeve
(42,279 posts)And lots of people were badly mistaken.
Thanks for the updates and explanations, my friend!
BumRushDaShow
(128,714 posts)So far since the 2020 elections and the 60+ idiotic lawsuits from the Kracken crew (and their GOP state/federal supporters), almost all of the cases - many with rulings by 45-appointed judges - failed, some even not only including similar scathing rebukes, but "dismissing with prejudice".
prodigitalson
(2,399 posts)of the old school Reagan law and order variety. he's been a judge for a thousand years and undoubtedly has plenty of practice dealing with lawyers who fuck around in his court.